2012 Vice Presidential Debate Thread

[mudwhistle]

You all keep talking about Biden being mean and the moderator being biased, we all admitted Obama effed up. You all are really whining about some unfairness to Ryan or some other thing.

Obama mailed it in.

That's the only reason you're not hollering that he won.


Truth is, on substance and on presentation Ryan kicked Biden's ass. If you want to include obnoxious noises and classlessness Obiden won hands down.

BTW, with respect to Iran. Biden wants us to rely on him and on their intelligence community that he claims misled him in Libya. .

How dumb does he think we are?

Well based on the strange candidates you always seem to put up, pretty damn dumb.

I put nobody up.

And when it comes to strange candidates, you have a Catholic that doesn't practice his religion and a Communist/Muslim/Christian that is anti-religion except one....Islam. Both like to whip out their Bibles when they need to then bury them when they need to.

You've got a president who never accepts blame and a VP that thinks Romney needs to produce a economic package when his President's is a series of speeches. He claims Romney jumped the gun when they themselves did claiming a video caused the death of 4 Americans.

These folks haven't even passed a budget in 4 years but he feels he can criticize two that Ryan passed.

 

[ScienceRocks]

 

[Article 15]

I don't remember Democrats being as whiney after last week's debate as the Republicans are today.

Who is being whiny?????? Descriptive is the word.

You all keep talking about Biden being mean and the moderator being biased, we all admitted Obama effed up. You all are really whining about some unfairness to Ryan or some other thing.

Republicans aren't much for taking ownership of things when they fuck up.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Who is being whiny?????? Descriptive is the word.

You all keep talking about Biden being mean and the moderator being biased, we all admitted Obama effed up. You all are really whining about some unfairness to Ryan or some other thing.

Republicans aren't much for taking ownership of things when they fuck up.

democrats are really bad about the same thing but even worse accuse others for what they failed at.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Bidens an ass clown!

 

[ScienceRocks]

 

[The Rabbi]

Who is being whiny?????? Descriptive is the word.

You all keep talking about Biden being mean and the moderator being biased, we all admitted Obama effed up. You all are really whining about some unfairness to Ryan or some other thing.

Republicans aren't much for taking ownership of things when they fuck up.

Who fucked up? You had a moderator about to fellate Joe Biden except her mouth was busy cutting Ryan off. You had Biden lying his ass off about Romney's plan. Hell, he hasn't read his team's plan, much less Romney's.
You seem to be the fuck up here, sir.

 

[SnagNasty]

The debates are a mere theatrical event. In my opinion Romney won the first debate and Biden won the VP debate - based on theatrics. The real debate is won/lost on me regarding the lies/half truths told during the night. There were quite a few by both sides.

From -- Factcheck.org. I'll leave it to you to decide how much each lie/exageration is worth to you.

Biden
1. Biden exaggerated when he said House Republicans cut funding for embassy security by $300 million. The amount approved for fiscal year 2012 was $264 million less than requested, and covers construction and maintenance, not just security.
2. Biden seemed to question Ryan’s assertion that administration officials called Syrian President Bashar Assad “a reformer” even when he was killing his own civilian countrymen. Ryan was right. Early in the bloody Syrian uprising Hillary Clinton called Assad a “different leader” who many in Congress believe is “a reformer.”
3. Biden quoted Romney as saying that he would not “move heaven and earth” to get Osama bin Laden. What Romney said was that he’d go after other terrorists as well.
4. Biden claimed that Ryan “cut embassy security in his budget $300 million below what we asked for.” That’s an exaggeration
5. Biden falsely claimed that Romney has “another tax cut coming” that “will, in fact, give … $250,000 a year” to millionaires and “raise taxes” on middle-income families by $2,000 a year. That’s not true.





Ryan
1. Ryan said Obama’s proposal to let tax rates rise for high-income individuals would “tax about 53 percent of small-business income.” Wrong.
2. Ryan claimed the Obama administration spent stimulus money on “electric cars in Finland.” Not true. Although the cars have been assembled in Finland, the money went for work in the United States.
3. Ryan misquoted a Medicare official as saying “one out of six hospitals and nursing homes are going to go out of business” as a result of the Affordable Care Act. Not quite. The official said that many could become “unprofitable,” and the the situation could be monitored to head off bad outcomes.
4. Ryan claimed that the ACA contains “taxpayer funding” of abortion. In fact the law provides no direct funding of abortion except in cases of rape or incest or to save the mother’s life. And it’s a matter of interpretation whether subsidized private insurance would amount to indirect federal support for abortion.
5. Ryan was off base when he said of a cost-saving panel created by the Affordable Care Act, “not one of them even has to have medical training.” Actually, the board must include physicians and other health care professionals among its members.
6. Ryan was incorrect when he said, “That’s how it’s going all around America.” In fact, the unemployment rate nationwide is now exactly the same as it was when Obama took office – 7.8 percent (and as Biden said, has been going down — slowly and at times fitfully – since it hit a peak of 10 percent in October 2009).
7. Ryan said that the actuary of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services “came to Congress and said one out of six hospitals and nursing homes are going to go out of business” as a result of the federal health care law. But that’s not what the actuary said
8. Ryan said that there was “taxpayer funding” of abortion “in Obamacare.” There’s no direct funding allowed, but it’s a matter of interpretation whether federal dollars will be supporting abortion indirectly.
9. Ryan was wrong when he said premiums had “gone up $3,000″ because of the health care law.
10. Ryan also exaggerated with the claim that “20 million people … are projected to lose their health insurance if Obamacare goes through.”
11. For his part, Ryan claimed that “six studies have verified” that Romney’s tax plan is mathematically possible — that it can reduce income tax rates by 20 percent across the board and offset the loss of revenues by reducing or eliminating tax deductions without benefiting the wealthy or increasing the deficit. But Ryan inflates the number of “studies” by including blog items and the work of campaign advisers.

 

[The Rabbi]

So basically Ryan's comments could have been correct in certain circumstances (if hospitals are consistently unprofitable they go out of business and close) while Biden lied his ass off.
Thanks.

 

[Unkotare]

Ryan lost.. Make no mistakes.

2012 VP Debate Review: CNN poll declares that Paul Ryan wins | Washington Times Communities

 

[Unkotare]

omg, Biden in 2016..

I think they mean that will be his room number at Liberal Acres Home for Retired Vice Presidents. He'll love it there; they have 24-hour mental health services available.

 

[Unkotare]

Did anyone else think the moderator was in the tank for Biden? SHe consistently cut off Ryan and let Biden ramble on. Her questions were pointed to Ryan but softballs for Biden. Maybe it's just me.

She was shamelessly biased.

 

[jillian]

Did anyone else think the moderator was in the tank for Biden? SHe consistently cut off Ryan and let Biden ramble on. Her questions were pointed to Ryan but softballs for Biden. Maybe it's just me.

She was shamelessly biased.

riiiiiiiiiight.... that's why she started with libya....

 

[ScienceRocks]

I really wanted to hear what Ryan was saying, but thanks to the ass clown I couldn't.

Thanks a lot Joe loon.

 

[Unkotare]

That's why when Ryan explained to her that the supposedly huge 'spending increase' on defense was really just a matter of "not making additional cuts in defense spending," she followed up not once but twice with questions that began with something like 'so, about this huge spending increase on defense...'

 

[driveby]

The only way Biden could have made more of an ass of himself is if he jumped up and started dancing Gangnam Style......

 

[Sarah G]

...we all admitted Obama effed up.

Ooh, liar! You admitted no such thing; you said Obama won the debate. Care to rephrase?

You know what, liar? I hate your stupid avie.

 

[Dick Tuck]

 

[Dick Tuck]

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I don't remember Democrats being as whiney after last week's debate as the Republicans are today.

Who is being whiny?????? Descriptive is the word.

You all keep talking about Biden being mean and the moderator being biased, we all admitted Obama effed up. You all are really whining about some unfairness to Ryan or some other thing.

How can an incompetent incapable person fuck up?