2012: Obama Wins. Now what?

[Ernie S.]

Same old threat Republicans have used for the last three years

If you do not get rid of Obama......we will obstruct the government till he is gone

Obama must FAIL....Part II

Hmmm If the GOP takes the Senate, it will be obama that is doing the obstructing.

 

[Rocko]

Same old threat Republicans have used for the last three years

If you do not get rid of Obama......we will obstruct the government till he is gone

Obama must FAIL....Part II

Newsflash: Obama has ALREADY failed.
Now we have to prevent the country from failing.

Nobody is more experienced than dealing withe the GOP temper tantrum than Obama. Doesn't matter who the president is, if he is not Republican, GOP gives us it's temper tantrum

With Clinton it was impeachment, with Obama it is stonewall Congress

Best action for Obamas second term is avoid any pretext of including them in the decision making process

I thought that was the plan his first term.

 

[rightwinger]

Same old threat Republicans have used for the last three years

If you do not get rid of Obama......we will obstruct the government till he is gone

Obama must FAIL....Part II

Hmmm If the GOP takes the Senate, it will be obama that is doing the obstructing.

Republicans will take the Senate and lose the House

They will pull the same Tea Bagging nonsense they do now crafting bills that please their base but have no chance of even making it to Obamas desk

Until they learn to legislate like adults, nothing will be passed

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I'm buying stock in the companies that make refrigerator boxes because that's where most of the people on the left will be living

 

[Oddball]

- Democrats don't need another candidate. Obama has by far the largest odds of reelection and is the most popular elected official in the country by a wide margin. You clearly don't like him, but the Democratic voters who would choose a nominee have no reason to reject him.

Longtime democrat strategists Pat Caddell and Doug Schoen completely disagree.

When Harry Truman and Lyndon Johnson accepted the reality that they could not effectively govern the nation if they sought re-election to the White House, both men took the moral high ground and decided against running for a new term as president. President Obama is facing a similar reality—and he must reach the same conclusion.

<snip>

Certainly, Mr. Obama could still win re-election in 2012. Even with his all-time low job approval ratings (and even worse ratings on handling the economy) the president could eke out a victory in November. But the kind of campaign required for the president's political survival would make it almost impossible for him to govern—not only during the campaign, but throughout a second term.

Put simply, it seems that the White House has concluded that if the president cannot run on his record, he will need to wage the most negative campaign in history to stand any chance. With his job approval ratings below 45% overall and below 40% on the economy, the president cannot affirmatively make the case that voters are better off now than they were four years ago. He—like everyone else—knows that they are worse off.

Patrick Caddell and Douglas Schoen: The Hillary Moment - WSJ.com

But you Boiking fluffers keep living your lie...It's becoming quite amusing.

 

[francoHFW]

Tax cuts will lapse and world economy, now with new confidence, will rebound. Then Obamacare will start up- everyone will love it. New era of prosperity, Hillary elected in landslide.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Tax cuts will lapse and world economy, now with new confidence, will rebound. Then Obamacare will start up- everyone will love it. New era of prosperity, Hillary elected in landslide.

Bookmark this one. It's the complete polar opposite of accurate.

 

[dblack]

Is that really the formula for success? Gridlock?

We could definitely do worse than gridlock.

 

[The Rabbi]

Is that really the formula for success? Gridlock?

We could definitely do worse than gridlock.

We already did. See, Total Democratic control of Congress and the White House.
We have gotten the worst recovery on record, highest deficits on record, most unpopular Congress on record, and first credit downgrade on record.

 

[The Rabbi]

I disagree with most of the original posts premises:

- Obama winning isn't unthinkable. It is eminently imaginable: Obama as president in 2013 would not be unimaginably different from the President Obama of 2009-11. It is not unlikely either-- Intrade gives him better than even odds.

- Congress cannot "go over to the GOP", since it is already more under their control than it is under Democratic control. Republicans have a strong majority in the House which can only go down, and they might even lose majority (~27% odds on Intrade). They probably will take the Senate (~74% odds) but will almost certainly not have a filibuster-proof majority. Congress's approval ratings are low, but Republicans have even lower ratings than Democrats.

- Democrats don't need another candidate. Obama has by far the largest odds of reelection and is the most popular elected official in the country by a wide margin. You clearly don't like him, but the Democratic voters who would choose a nominee have no reason to reject him.

- Obama is in very little danger of seeing his veto routinely overridden. GWB became incredibly unpopular and yet while his vetoes were overridden four times, none of these were on major or publicly controversial bills.

Regardless of who is elected President in 2012, fewer major pieces of legislature will be passed than will have been in Obama's first term. Important pieces such as the patent law or the food safety law will still be passable, and major pieces may be passed in response to crises. There's no reason to believe that a Hillary or a Mitt would have more legislative success than Obama would.

Total bunk.
The GOP controls the House. Last I checked the Senate was under Democratic control, and stopping most GOP measures.
Obama would face a Congress heavily Republican, and not inclined to work with him, as the Congress was under Bush (hint: who wrote No Child Left Behind?).
No president has been re elected with such lousy economic numbers. And they are getting worse. Obama's solutions have all failed, and all he can do is propose more of them.

 

[Oddball]

Tax cuts will lapse and world economy, now with new confidence, will rebound. Then Obamacare will start up- everyone will love it. New era of prosperity, Hillary elected in landslide.

Didn't you hear the man?

DON'T...TAKE...THE....BROWN...ACID!

 

[JakeStarkey]

You have to take the Senate. Screw Obama. If you have the House and the Senate the Bam Bam is toast.
It doesn't matter if he takes the Presidency.

The win is the Senate. That's what I'm signing up for. Let's remove O's power.

The GOP will need 67 votes in the Senate to over ride any BHO veto.

That won't happen next year.

 

[Trajan]

Same old threat Republicans have used for the last three years

If you do not get rid of Obama......we will obstruct the government till he is gone

Obama must FAIL....Part II

heres news for you, I doubt very much nancy and harry rooted for bush, so your BS is getting really tired, and, its stupid RW.

 

[Trajan]

You have to take the Senate. Screw Obama. If you have the House and the Senate the Bam Bam is toast.
It doesn't matter if he takes the Presidency.

The win is the Senate. That's what I'm signing up for. Let's remove O's power.

The GOP will need 67 votes in the Senate to over ride any BHO veto.

That won't happen next year.

yes..and? who is making an argument that would prompt that remark?

 

[JakeStarkey]

You have to take the Senate. Screw Obama. If you have the House and the Senate the Bam Bam is toast.
It doesn't matter if he takes the Presidency.

The win is the Senate. That's what I'm signing up for. Let's remove O's power.

The GOP will need 67 votes in the Senate to over ride any BHO veto.

That won't happen next year.

yes..and? who is making an argument that would prompt that remark?

tinydancer is under the impression that a GOP House and Senate can pass legislation at will. They will find a second-term BHO will smile and say, "We will work together, or nothing will pass, and I will blame you to the American people." Worked for Clinton, and destroyed Newt opposing him.

 

[rightwinger]

I disagree with most of the original posts premises:

- Obama winning isn't unthinkable. It is eminently imaginable: Obama as president in 2013 would not be unimaginably different from the President Obama of 2009-11. It is not unlikely either-- Intrade gives him better than even odds.

- Congress cannot "go over to the GOP", since it is already more under their control than it is under Democratic control. Republicans have a strong majority in the House which can only go down, and they might even lose majority (~27% odds on Intrade). They probably will take the Senate (~74% odds) but will almost certainly not have a filibuster-proof majority. Congress's approval ratings are low, but Republicans have even lower ratings than Democrats.

- Democrats don't need another candidate. Obama has by far the largest odds of reelection and is the most popular elected official in the country by a wide margin. You clearly don't like him, but the Democratic voters who would choose a nominee have no reason to reject him.

- Obama is in very little danger of seeing his veto routinely overridden. GWB became incredibly unpopular and yet while his vetoes were overridden four times, none of these were on major or publicly controversial bills.

Regardless of who is elected President in 2012, fewer major pieces of legislature will be passed than will have been in Obama's first term. Important pieces such as the patent law or the food safety law will still be passable, and major pieces may be passed in response to crises. There's no reason to believe that a Hillary or a Mitt would have more legislative success than Obama would.

Total bunk.
The GOP controls the House. Last I checked the Senate was under Democratic control, and stopping most GOP measures.
Obama would face a Congress heavily Republican, and not inclined to work with him, as the Congress was under Bush (hint: who wrote No Child Left Behind?).
No president has been re elected with such lousy economic numbers. And they are getting worse. Obama's solutions have all failed, and all he can do is propose more of them.

So.....can we finally concede that Rick Perry is a non-factor?

That leaves us with Romney, who even the Republicans have to hold their nose to back. Obama is still much more popular than any Republican right now. Romney can't pull numbers against the bunch of stiffs he is running against.....he won't do anything against Obama

Once Obama is reelected, and he will be, what cards do the Republicans have? The Bush tax cuts are DOA given the current animosity between the parties. No way they get extended unless you have something to deal. What do Republicans have to deal? Another threatened government shutdown? That card has already been played twice.....how many more times do Repubs think they can play it?

 

[Lakhota]

If Obama is reelected in 2012, I hope he can provide single-payer health insurance for all. Single-payer - not just a Public Option.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

2012: Obama Wins. Now what?

So let's say the unthinkable happens and Obama wins re-election (G-d forbid). He is sworn in in January 2013 (Heaven forbid) and serves another 4 years (L-rd save us). Now what?

2016!!

We Dems/Liberals/Progressives assumed you already knew.



(You neo-"conservatives" really do need to pay closer attention.....and, watch a little-less FAUX Noise.)​

 

[The Rabbi]

I disagree with most of the original posts premises:

- Obama winning isn't unthinkable. It is eminently imaginable: Obama as president in 2013 would not be unimaginably different from the President Obama of 2009-11. It is not unlikely either-- Intrade gives him better than even odds.

- Congress cannot "go over to the GOP", since it is already more under their control than it is under Democratic control. Republicans have a strong majority in the House which can only go down, and they might even lose majority (~27% odds on Intrade). They probably will take the Senate (~74% odds) but will almost certainly not have a filibuster-proof majority. Congress's approval ratings are low, but Republicans have even lower ratings than Democrats.

- Democrats don't need another candidate. Obama has by far the largest odds of reelection and is the most popular elected official in the country by a wide margin. You clearly don't like him, but the Democratic voters who would choose a nominee have no reason to reject him.

- Obama is in very little danger of seeing his veto routinely overridden. GWB became incredibly unpopular and yet while his vetoes were overridden four times, none of these were on major or publicly controversial bills.

Regardless of who is elected President in 2012, fewer major pieces of legislature will be passed than will have been in Obama's first term. Important pieces such as the patent law or the food safety law will still be passable, and major pieces may be passed in response to crises. There's no reason to believe that a Hillary or a Mitt would have more legislative success than Obama would.

Total bunk.
The GOP controls the House. Last I checked the Senate was under Democratic control, and stopping most GOP measures.
Obama would face a Congress heavily Republican, and not inclined to work with him, as the Congress was under Bush (hint: who wrote No Child Left Behind?).
No president has been re elected with such lousy economic numbers. And they are getting worse. Obama's solutions have all failed, and all he can do is propose more of them.

So.....can we finally concede that Rick Perry is a non-factor?

That leaves us with Romney, who even the Republicans have to hold their nose to back. Obama is still much more popular than any Republican right now. Romney can't pull numbers against the bunch of stiffs he is running against.....he won't do anything against Obama

Once Obama is reelected, and he will be, what cards do the Republicans have? The Bush tax cuts are DOA given the current animosity between the parties. No way they get extended unless you have something to deal. What do Republicans have to deal? Another threatened government shutdown? That card has already been played twice.....how many more times do Repubs think they can play it?

You dont get it. If the GOP nominates Bachmann, she will win. If they nominate Santorum he will win. If they nominate Bozo the Clown, he would win.
Obama is the worst president in history. He is the worst world leader since Idi Amin.

 

[Lakhota]

You dont get it. If the GOP nominates Bachmann, she will win. If they nominate Santorum he will win. If they nominate Bozo the Clown, he would win.
Obama is the worst president in history. He is the worst world leader since Idi Amin.

Please nominate them! Then, lay down that crack pipe...