20% US Muslims: Murdering Civilians Sometimes Justified

[Lucy Hamilton]

Oops....

I've highlighted what you should be concerned about, the percentage that are not concerned, why aren't they, is it because they are sympathetic and agree with Islamic Terrorism against The Western Infidels?]

All Americans 15%- Muslim Americans 17%

Wow- that is a huge difference. Do you think that those 15% of Americans are sympathetic and agree with Islamic Terrorism?

Well if any of the 15% are like your ilk then yes they probably do sympathise with Islamic Terrorism, considering your ilk cannot lick Islamic buttocks fast enough.

I'm sure any moment now you'll blame Christians, The Crusades, The Slave Trade, but but but what about Timothy McVeigh, but but but what about The Unibomber.

 

[Marion Morrison]

No wonder the left always side with Islam.
4% refused to state it was right or wrong. So you pretty much know where they stand.
76 percent of respondents agreed with the contention that “targeting and killing civilians can never be justified to further a political, social or religious cause.” Eight percent believed such actions were justified “rarely,” while a further 12 percent believed terrorist killing is “sometimes” or “often” justified.

U.S. Muslims Concerned About Their Place in Society, but Continue to Believe in the American Dream

What if Americans respond to this with rifles?

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

12% of American Muslims think that killing of civilians can be justifiable to further a religious cause
21% of Republicans think that killing of civilians can be justifiable to further a religious cause.

9% more Republicans believe that terrorism can be defensible.

"21% of Republicans think that killing of civilians can be justifiable to further a religious cause."

That religious cause would be what exactly?

 

[Syriusly]

Your chart is bullshit. There's a difference between Catholics believing that civilian deaths are part of war, and Muslims believing it's ok to INTENTIONALLY target civilians.

Actually, what's bullshit is your inability to comprehend how this chart also relates to the Pew explanation of why people answered the way they do. You're going to have to wiggle really hard, and use lots of double speak in order to not come off hypocritical or show that American Muslims are any different then other American demographics in this regard.

Yeah- this thread has imploded even faster than most of Weatherboy's inane threads

Only Leftist Pro-Islamist Propagandists have responded so far and a poll has been posted that was conducted nearly SEVEN YEARS ago.

The OP hasn't imploded, but as Leftists are mentally unwell and delusional, keep telling yourself it has.

LOL- we have responded using the data from the same cite he references.
That is what is so deliciously ironic when it comes to bigots like him and you- you don't even bother to look at the data- you just believe what you believe.

And none of us are 'pro-Islamist' any more than you are 'pro-rapist'

Sorry sugar pants no you have not, the polls are by Pew and were all conducted this year 2017.

Gallup isn't Pew and citing a 2010 poll isn't 2017.

Pew- 2017- Republicans more than U.S. Muslims say it can be justifiable to target and kill Civilians.

5. Terrorism and concerns about extremism

July 26, 2017
U.S. Muslims Concerned About Their Place in Society, but Continue to Believe in the American Dream
5. Terrorism and concerns about extremism

 

[Syriusly]

12% of American Muslims think that killing of civilians can be justifiable to further a religious cause
21% of Republicans think that killing of civilians can be justifiable to further a religious cause.

9% more Republicans believe that terrorism can be defensible.

"21% of Republicans think that killing of civilians can be justifiable to further a religious cause."

That religious cause would be what exactly?

You would have to ask Republicans that.

But that is the exact same data point that the OP used to claim that 12% of American Muslims approved of terrorism.

By his sketchy 'logic' that means that 21% of Republicans approve of terrorism.

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

12% of American Muslims think that killing of civilians can be justifiable to further a religious cause
21% of Republicans think that killing of civilians can be justifiable to further a religious cause.

9% more Republicans believe that terrorism can be defensible.

"21% of Republicans think that killing of civilians can be justifiable to further a religious cause."

That religious cause would be what exactly?

You would have to ask Republicans that.

But that is the exact same data point that the OP used to claim that 12% of American Muslims approved of terrorism.

By his sketchy 'logic' that means that 21% of Republicans approve of terrorism.

Yes but approve of targeting who? It could be targeting the Radical Islamist Extremists who conceal themselves very often among civilians eg. Hezbollah, ISIS, the al-Nusra Front.

If they are assembling suicide vests in a predominantly civilian and very built up area and you have concrete intelligence that they are, what do you do?

Do you not target them because you are going to kill civilians, or do you shell the area with mortars etc?

Conversely with the percentage of Muslims who say they approve of targeting civilians in Western nations, the threat from civilians is what exactly? There is no threat. They are referring to approving of targeting civilians in Western nations by an Islamist strapping a suicide vest to themselves in the name of Islam and walking into a theatre or a restaurant or whatever and blowing up innocent people who are no threat and/or an Islamist walking into a theatre or a restaurant or whatever and shooting everyone in the name of Islam.

So there is a fundamental difference between having to target a civilian area and have Collateral Damage in order to save many other lives and targeting a civilian area that poses absolutely no threat to anyone.

 

[Syriusly]

12% of American Muslims think that killing of civilians can be justifiable to further a religious cause
21% of Republicans think that killing of civilians can be justifiable to further a religious cause.

9% more Republicans believe that terrorism can be defensible.

"21% of Republicans think that killing of civilians can be justifiable to further a religious cause."

That religious cause would be what exactly?

You would have to ask Republicans that.

But that is the exact same data point that the OP used to claim that 12% of American Muslims approved of terrorism.

By his sketchy 'logic' that means that 21% of Republicans approve of terrorism.

Yes but approve of targeting who? It could be targeting the Radical Islamist Extremists who conceal themselves very often among civilians eg. Hezbollah, ISIS, the al-Nusra Front..

Targetting Islamic Terrorists is not targeting civilians.

Here is what Weatherboy said in his OP- trying to attack American Muslims:
while a further 12 percent believed terrorist killing is “sometimes” or “often” justified.

That is Weatherboy describing the targeting and killing of civilians as 'terrorist killing'

And by that same 'standard'- 21% of Republicans believe that terrorist killing is sometimes or often justified.

But hey- not as if I expect the Islamophobes to have a problem with their own hypocrisy.

 

[Godboy]

12% of American Muslims think that killing of civilians can be justifiable to further a religious cause
21% of Republicans think that killing of civilians can be justifiable to further a religious cause.

9% more Republicans believe that terrorism can be defensible.

"21% of Republicans think that killing of civilians can be justifiable to further a religious cause."

That religious cause would be what exactly?

You would have to ask Republicans that.

But that is the exact same data point that the OP used to claim that 12% of American Muslims approved of terrorism.

By his sketchy 'logic' that means that 21% of Republicans approve of terrorism.

Yes but approve of targeting who? It could be targeting the Radical Islamist Extremists who conceal themselves very often among civilians eg. Hezbollah, ISIS, the al-Nusra Front..

Targetting Islamic Terrorists is not targeting civilians.

Here is what Weatherboy said in his OP- trying to attack American Muslims:
while a further 12 percent believed terrorist killing is “sometimes” or “often” justified.

That is Weatherboy describing the targeting and killing of civilians as 'terrorist killing'

And by that same 'standard'- 21% of Republicans believe that terrorist killing is sometimes or often justified.

But hey- not as if I expect the Islamophobes to have a problem with their own hypocrisy.

Clearly those polls are wildly inaccurate. One in five republicans (21%) are cool with terrorism? Have you lost your damn mind!?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Are you not too warm wearing your Burka in Summer, or do you have a Summer Burka?

So you agree that we all should be able to kill civilians, target them in military actions and also kill people in self defence? Good, darling I'll make a Right-Winger of you yet

Always amazes me how fast Coyote goes into full fledged Muzzy defense mode.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Clearly those polls are wildly inaccurate. One in five republicans (21%) are cool with terrorism? Have you lost your damn mind!?

80% of Democrats are cool with Islamic Terrorism in the pursuit of diversity

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

12% of American Muslims think that killing of civilians can be justifiable to further a religious cause
21% of Republicans think that killing of civilians can be justifiable to further a religious cause.

9% more Republicans believe that terrorism can be defensible.

"21% of Republicans think that killing of civilians can be justifiable to further a religious cause."

That religious cause would be what exactly?

You would have to ask Republicans that.

But that is the exact same data point that the OP used to claim that 12% of American Muslims approved of terrorism.

By his sketchy 'logic' that means that 21% of Republicans approve of terrorism.

Yes but approve of targeting who? It could be targeting the Radical Islamist Extremists who conceal themselves very often among civilians eg. Hezbollah, ISIS, the al-Nusra Front..

Targetting Islamic Terrorists is not targeting civilians.

Here is what Weatherboy said in his OP- trying to attack American Muslims:
while a further 12 percent believed terrorist killing is “sometimes” or “often” justified.

That is Weatherboy describing the targeting and killing of civilians as 'terrorist killing'

And by that same 'standard'- 21% of Republicans believe that terrorist killing is sometimes or often justified.

But hey- not as if I expect the Islamophobes to have a problem with their own hypocrisy.

"Targetting Islamic Terrorists is not targeting civilians."

Okay let's reread what I wrote again, I have highlighted the parts that seem to have escaped you.

 

[jasonnfree]

Your chart is bullshit. There's a difference between Catholics believing that civilian deaths are part of war, and Muslims believing it's ok to INTENTIONALLY target civilians.

Actually, what's bullshit is your inability to comprehend how this chart also relates to the Pew explanation of why people answered the way they do. You're going to have to wiggle really hard, and use lots of double speak in order to not come off hypocritical or show that American Muslims are any different then other American demographics in this regard.

Yeah- this thread has imploded even faster than most of Weatherboy's inane threads

Only Leftist Pro-Islamist Propagandists have responded so far and a poll has been posted that was conducted nearly SEVEN YEARS ago.

The OP hasn't imploded, but as Leftists are mentally unwell and delusional, keep telling yourself it has.

LOL- we have responded using the data from the same cite he references.
That is what is so deliciously ironic when it comes to bigots like him and you- you don't even bother to look at the data- you just believe what you believe.

And none of us are 'pro-Islamist' any more than you are 'pro-rapist'

Sorry sugar pants no you have not, the polls are by Pew and were all conducted this year 2017.

Gallup isn't Pew and citing a 2010 poll isn't 2017.

12% of American Muslims think that killing of civilians can be justifiable to further a religious cause
21% of Republicans think that killing of civilians can be justifiable to further a religious cause.

9% more Republicans believe that terrorism can be defensible.

"21% of Republicans think that killing of civilians can be justifiable to further a religious cause."

That religious cause would be what exactly?

You would have to ask Republicans that.

But that is the exact same data point that the OP used to claim that 12% of American Muslims approved of terrorism.

By his sketchy 'logic' that means that 21% of Republicans approve of terrorism.

Yes but approve of targeting who? It could be targeting the Radical Islamist Extremists who conceal themselves very often among civilians eg. Hezbollah, ISIS, the al-Nusra Front.

If they are assembling suicide vests in a predominantly civilian and very built up area and you have concrete intelligence that they are, what do you do?

Do you not target them because you are going to kill civilians, or do you shell the area with mortars etc?

Conversely with the percentage of Muslims who say they approve of targeting civilians in Western nations, the threat from civilians is what exactly? There is no threat. They are referring to approving of targeting civilians in Western nations by an Islamist strapping a suicide vest to themselves in the name of Islam and walking into a theatre or a restaurant or whatever and blowing up innocent people who are no threat and/or an Islamist walking into a theatre or a restaurant or whatever and shooting everyone in the name of Islam.

So there is a fundamental difference between having to target a civilian area and have Collateral Damage in order to save many other lives and targeting a civilian area that poses absolutely no threat to anyone.

It's not that hard to know what group does terrorism no matter in what country they go to. It does require common sense though. Common sense is something the muslim apologist sob sisters lack, though. Political correctness and the lack of common sense is what's destroying Europe. We have the good fortune to have the 2nd Amendment and a guy like Trump on our side though. Hopefully, we can all fight for a nation free of the islamic scourge, or at least a nation that will not allow any more of those people to come here.

 

[Coyote]

And, from the PEW poll, for clarity...(the OP left this part out):

When is killing civilians seen as justifiable?
To better understand what some people had in mind when answering this question about targeting and killing civilians for political, social or religious reasons, Pew Research Center staff called back a small number of respondents and conducted non-scientific follow-up interviews. Many respondents – both Muslims and non-Muslims – who said violence against civilians can sometimes or often be justified said they had in mind situations other than terrorism, such as military action or self-defense.

Are you not too warm wearing your Burka in Summer, or do you have a Summer Burka?

So you agree that we all should be able to kill civilians, target them in military actions and also kill people in self defence? Good, darling I'll make a Right-Winger of you yet

A burka for every occasion of course...but no, I do not agree with targeting civilians...

 

[Coyote]

Oops....

The below poll you cite was conducted nearly SEVEN YEARS AGO lol, do you think we don't notice these things? We're not Leftist's you know, we have reading comprehension

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Don't think much has changed in only seven years

 

[Coyote]

12% of American Muslims think that killing of civilians can be justifiable to further a religious cause
21% of Republicans think that killing of civilians can be justifiable to further a religious cause.

9% more Republicans believe that terrorism can be defensible.

"21% of Republicans think that killing of civilians can be justifiable to further a religious cause."

That religious cause would be what exactly?

You would have to ask Republicans that.

But that is the exact same data point that the OP used to claim that 12% of American Muslims approved of terrorism.

By his sketchy 'logic' that means that 21% of Republicans approve of terrorism.

Yes but approve of targeting who? It could be targeting the Radical Islamist Extremists who conceal themselves very often among civilians eg. Hezbollah, ISIS, the al-Nusra Front.

If they are assembling suicide vests in a predominantly civilian and very built up area and you have concrete intelligence that they are, what do you do?

Do you not target them because you are going to kill civilians, or do you shell the area with mortars etc?

Conversely with the percentage of Muslims who say they approve of targeting civilians in Western nations, the threat from civilians is what exactly? There is no threat. They are referring to approving of targeting civilians in Western nations by an Islamist strapping a suicide vest to themselves in the name of Islam and walking into a theatre or a restaurant or whatever and blowing up innocent people who are no threat and/or an Islamist walking into a theatre or a restaurant or whatever and shooting everyone in the name of Islam.

So there is a fundamental difference between having to target a civilian area and have Collateral Damage in order to save many other lives and targeting a civilian area that poses absolutely no threat to anyone.

I don't that is what they said they approved of in the poll.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

Lucy,
Your ability to hone in on facts, filter their BS and obfuscation and obliterate their flawed Leftist argument is stellar.

You made every leftist / Progressive who attempted to carry this failed argument look like utter fools.

Unfortunately, you're dealing with a very thick and heavily indoctrinated group of individuals.

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

And, from the PEW poll, for clarity...(the OP left this part out):

When is killing civilians seen as justifiable?
To better understand what some people had in mind when answering this question about targeting and killing civilians for political, social or religious reasons, Pew Research Center staff called back a small number of respondents and conducted non-scientific follow-up interviews. Many respondents – both Muslims and non-Muslims – who said violence against civilians can sometimes or often be justified said they had in mind situations other than terrorism, such as military action or self-defense.

Are you not too warm wearing your Burka in Summer, or do you have a Summer Burka?

So you agree that we all should be able to kill civilians, target them in military actions and also kill people in self defence? Good, darling I'll make a Right-Winger of you yet

A burka for every occasion of course...but no, I do not agree with targeting civilians...

The below

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

Lucy,
Your ability to hone in on facts, filter their BS and obfuscation and obliterate their flawed Leftist argument is stellar.

You made every leftist / Progressive who attempted to carry this failed argument look like utter fools.

Unfortunately, you're dealing with a very thick and heavily indoctrinated group of individuals.

Thank you darling for a lovely compliment.

Yes I know they are heavily indoctrinated, it's pretty shocking still how deeply they are brainwashed, after so many Islamist atrocities they still defend Islam and Islamists. They literally will not allow ANY criticism whatsoever of Islam.

The same crowd cannot WAIT to bash and trash ALL other religions from Christianity to Judaism, but they do NOT tolerate ANY criticism of Islam, they are essentially fanatics, so is it any wonder they lick the buttocks of the Islamists, who also are fanatics.

It might be a case of they'll have to learn the hard and brutal way and if that happens then people like me will offer them no sympathy or show them any mercy. They've made their bed.

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

12% of American Muslims think that killing of civilians can be justifiable to further a religious cause
21% of Republicans think that killing of civilians can be justifiable to further a religious cause.

9% more Republicans believe that terrorism can be defensible.

"21% of Republicans think that killing of civilians can be justifiable to further a religious cause."

That religious cause would be what exactly?

You would have to ask Republicans that.

But that is the exact same data point that the OP used to claim that 12% of American Muslims approved of terrorism.

By his sketchy 'logic' that means that 21% of Republicans approve of terrorism.

Yes but approve of targeting who? It could be targeting the Radical Islamist Extremists who conceal themselves very often among civilians eg. Hezbollah, ISIS, the al-Nusra Front.

If they are assembling suicide vests in a predominantly civilian and very built up area and you have concrete intelligence that they are, what do you do?

Do you not target them because you are going to kill civilians, or do you shell the area with mortars etc?

Conversely with the percentage of Muslims who say they approve of targeting civilians in Western nations, the threat from civilians is what exactly? There is no threat. They are referring to approving of targeting civilians in Western nations by an Islamist strapping a suicide vest to themselves in the name of Islam and walking into a theatre or a restaurant or whatever and blowing up innocent people who are no threat and/or an Islamist walking into a theatre or a restaurant or whatever and shooting everyone in the name of Islam.

So there is a fundamental difference between having to target a civilian area and have Collateral Damage in order to save many other lives and targeting a civilian area that poses absolutely no threat to anyone.

I don't that is what they said they approved of in the poll.

The targeting of civilians, 15%-20% is too high, as I pointed out Muslims saying they approve of targeting civilians....that's in Western nations where there is NO threat, so the Western civilians pose NO threat.

So why would 15%-20% of Muslims say it's okay to target civilians? Logically it can only be because they are sympathetic to Islamic Terrorist attacks on Western nations and the targeting of civilians and/or fully support Islamic Terrorist attacks on Western nations and the targeting of civilians.

You will now say you don't see it this way, well of course you wouldn't.

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

Oops....

The below poll you cite was conducted nearly SEVEN YEARS AGO lol, do you think we don't notice these things? We're not Leftist's you know, we have reading comprehension

View attachment 141894

Don't think much has changed in only seven years

I'm just going to say darling, it's dangerous not to be critical, it's dangerous to have your head in the sand.

For instance, I'm Roman Catholic and many times at this forum I have criticised and also disagreed with aspects of Roman Catholicism and have also been very critical and also disapproving of The Vatican and this is my own religion I've made those comments about.

You are not a Muslim, Islam is not your religion, you should take the blinkers off some time and take a very good look at what you insist on defending and never finding anything critical about.