2 gunmen w AR15s open fire in Houston; 2 citizens down; 4 cops; PD helicopter shot

[LoneLaugher]

What is it with you anti gun morons.......we can't bring up guns or the 2nd Amendment without you guys making a sexual comment...usually about you guys pleasuring yourselves with guns or looking at images of guns and pleasuring yourselves...you guys seriously need help. It is a tool. Something you use to save lives.........try to understand that.......and masturbating with guns is only going to get you or someone else seriously injured or killed.....

Just stop....

Save lives? By far the most likely person to be killed by their gun is the owner. They are weapons, they kill.

wrong asswipe......that is a lie that you keep bringing up.......

1,500,000 times a year Americans use guns to stop violent criminal attack and to save lives....that far out numbers illegal gun murder and suicide as well as accidents combined.....moron.

I love that statistic. All one must do, on any given day, is divide that by 365 and then open up the morning paper to read about the FOUR THOUSAND successful defensive uses of firearms that happened yesterday.

You ******* idiot.

 

[2aguy]

What is it with you anti gun morons.......we can't bring up guns or the 2nd Amendment without you guys making a sexual comment...usually about you guys pleasuring yourselves with guns or looking at images of guns and pleasuring yourselves...you guys seriously need help. It is a tool. Something you use to save lives.........try to understand that.......and masturbating with guns is only going to get you or someone else seriously injured or killed.....

Just stop....

Save lives? By far the most likely person to be killed by their gun is the owner. They are weapons, they kill.

wrong asswipe......that is a lie that you keep bringing up.......

1,500,000 times a year Americans use guns to stop violent criminal attack and to save lives....that far out numbers illegal gun murder and suicide as well as accidents combined.....moron.

I love that statistic. All one must do, on any given day, is divide that by 365 and then open up the morning paper to read about the FOUR THOUSAND successful defensive uses of firearms that happened yesterday.

You ******* idiot.

Listen asswipe.....you are a moron....the number of 1,500,000 comes from the Department of Justice.....under orders from your god, bill clinton....in order to debunk the numbers found by Dr. Gary Kleck and the other gun studies......they hired 2 rabid, anti gun morons to create the study that would debunk the defensive gun use numbers....and after they put together their very own study, to show how low the defensive gun use numbers really were.....they found out their very own ******* study put the number at 1,500,000 million times a ******* year .....you dumb ass moron.....

Then in 2013....obama told his CDC to spend 10 million dollars to study all of the available gun research in order to start their own gun control push...moron.....and what did they find....between 500,000 and 3,000,000 million times a year..........so it isn't my study, it isn't my research....your gods....bill the rapist clinton and barak obama did the ******* research.....on top of 40 years of other research and this is what was found.....

I just averaged the studies......which were conducted by different researchers, from both private and public researchers, over a period of 40 years looking specifically at guns and self defense....the name of the researcher is first, then the year then the number of times they determined guns were used for self defense......notice how many of them there are and how many of them were done by gun grabbers like the clinton Justice Dept. and the obama CDC

And these aren't all of the studies either...there are more...and they support the ones below.....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....
GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

*****************************************
If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

 

[2aguy]

They are human beings moron being destroyed by the democrat party...

All the shooters will claim it was self defense. Or they were protecting something. Stand their ground and stuff.

Why are you not celebrating the heroic efforts of the shooters exercising their rights? Or are you?

So those that got shot were doing what?

Btw more than likely a couple of people carrying guns saw the shoot in Texas and wanted no part of a guy with an AR 15 and the ability to use it. Why would that be ya think?

Because of asswipes like you who would destroy them after they tried to save lives.......

 

[Carla_Danger]

They are human beings moron being destroyed by the democrat party...

All the shooters will claim it was self defense. Or they were protecting something. Stand their ground and stuff.

Why are you not celebrating the heroic efforts of the shooters exercising their rights? Or are you?

So those that got shot were doing what?

Btw more than likely a couple of people carrying guns saw the shoot in Texas and wanted no part of a guy with an AR 15 and the ability to use it. Why would that be ya think?

Because of asswipes like you who would destroy them after they tried to save lives.......

And in this particular case, the good guy with the gun ended up in critical condition, and it was the police who ended the shooting spree.

There are times when it's best to let the professionals (policemen) do their jobs.

 

[Carla_Danger]

Oh look a left winger calling military vets terrorists again.

No, that would be you. You are the one who assumed this was a terror attack.

95% of the times we predict it's Islamic terror it is accurate. This was the 5% we are wrong. Hey...I'll take those odds!

So you're saying 95% of our mass shootings are done by Islamic terrorists? That not only makes you wrong, it makes you a moron.

In 2015, 50% of the 4 mass shootings were by muslim terrorists.....

Comments by the shooter.


"Y'all calm down. I'm not going to kill y'all, y'all are Christians," Paris Nichols said, recalling the words of the shooter, who was identified Monday by a Houston Police Department source as 25-year-old Dionisio Garza III from San Bernardino County, California.

Police ID gunman in west Houston shooting spree as military vet

Railing against homosexuals, Jews, and Walmart, Garza then walked back toward his car to grab an AR-15 assault rifle, yelling that the world was coming to an end.

bucs90 is MIA. lol

 

[LoneLaugher]

What is it with you anti gun morons.......we can't bring up guns or the 2nd Amendment without you guys making a sexual comment...usually about you guys pleasuring yourselves with guns or looking at images of guns and pleasuring yourselves...you guys seriously need help. It is a tool. Something you use to save lives.........try to understand that.......and masturbating with guns is only going to get you or someone else seriously injured or killed.....

Just stop....

Save lives? By far the most likely person to be killed by their gun is the owner. They are weapons, they kill.

wrong asswipe......that is a lie that you keep bringing up.......

1,500,000 times a year Americans use guns to stop violent criminal attack and to save lives....that far out numbers illegal gun murder and suicide as well as accidents combined.....moron.

I love that statistic. All one must do, on any given day, is divide that by 365 and then open up the morning paper to read about the FOUR THOUSAND successful defensive uses of firearms that happened yesterday.

You ******* idiot.

Listen asswipe.....you are a moron....the number of 1,500,000 comes from the Department of Justice.....under orders from your god, bill clinton....in order to debunk the numbers found by Dr. Gary Kleck and the other gun studies......they hired 2 rabid, anti gun morons to create the study that would debunk the defensive gun use numbers....and after they put together their very own study, to show how low the defensive gun use numbers really were.....they found out their very own ******* study put the number at 1,500,000 million times a ******* year .....you dumb ass moron.....

Then in 2013....obama told his CDC to spend 10 million dollars to study all of the available gun research in order to start their own gun control push...moron.....and what did they find....between 500,000 and 3,000,000 million times a year..........so it isn't my study, it isn't my research....your gods....bill the rapist clinton and barak obama did the ******* research.....on top of 40 years of other research and this is what was found.....

I just averaged the studies......which were conducted by different researchers, from both private and public researchers, over a period of 40 years looking specifically at guns and self defense....the name of the researcher is first, then the year then the number of times they determined guns were used for self defense......notice how many of them there are and how many of them were done by gun grabbers like the clinton Justice Dept. and the obama CDC

And these aren't all of the studies either...there are more...and they support the ones below.....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....
GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

*****************************************
If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

FOUR THOUSAND TIMES PER DAY!!!!!!

Weeeeeeeeeeeeee!

 

[Brain357]

What is it with you anti gun morons.......we can't bring up guns or the 2nd Amendment without you guys making a sexual comment...usually about you guys pleasuring yourselves with guns or looking at images of guns and pleasuring yourselves...you guys seriously need help. It is a tool. Something you use to save lives.........try to understand that.......and masturbating with guns is only going to get you or someone else seriously injured or killed.....

Just stop....

Save lives? By far the most likely person to be killed by their gun is the owner. They are weapons, they kill.

wrong asswipe......that is a lie that you keep bringing up.......

1,500,000 times a year Americans use guns to stop violent criminal attack and to save lives....that far out numbers illegal gun murder and suicide as well as accidents combined.....moron.

I love that statistic. All one must do, on any given day, is divide that by 365 and then open up the morning paper to read about the FOUR THOUSAND successful defensive uses of firearms that happened yesterday.

You ******* idiot.

Listen asswipe.....you are a moron....the number of 1,500,000 comes from the Department of Justice.....under orders from your god, bill clinton....in order to debunk the numbers found by Dr. Gary Kleck and the other gun studies......they hired 2 rabid, anti gun morons to create the study that would debunk the defensive gun use numbers....and after they put together their very own study, to show how low the defensive gun use numbers really were.....they found out their very own ******* study put the number at 1,500,000 million times a ******* year .....you dumb ass moron.....

Then in 2013....obama told his CDC to spend 10 million dollars to study all of the available gun research in order to start their own gun control push...moron.....and what did they find....between 500,000 and 3,000,000 million times a year..........so it isn't my study, it isn't my research....your gods....bill the rapist clinton and barak obama did the ******* research.....on top of 40 years of other research and this is what was found.....

I just averaged the studies......which were conducted by different researchers, from both private and public researchers, over a period of 40 years looking specifically at guns and self defense....the name of the researcher is first, then the year then the number of times they determined guns were used for self defense......notice how many of them there are and how many of them were done by gun grabbers like the clinton Justice Dept. and the obama CDC

And these aren't all of the studies either...there are more...and they support the ones below.....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....
GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

*****************************************
If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

You have surveys there that say less than 1.5, some surveys aren't even national, some you can't prove even exist, and some you are just lying about. 1.5 is a fantasy.

 

[LoneLaugher]

These nuts have been repeating this RIDUCULOUS lie for years.

I've posted this before. It sums it up nicely.

Debunking the Defensive Gun Use Myth

 

[ClosedCaption]

Oh look a left winger calling military vets terrorists again.

No, that would be you. You are the one who assumed this was a terror attack.

95% of the times we predict it's Islamic terror it is accurate. This was the 5% we are wrong. Hey...I'll take those odds!

So you're saying 95% of our mass shootings are done by Islamic terrorists? That not only makes you wrong, it makes you a moron.

In 2015, 50% of the 4 mass shootings were by muslim terrorists.....

Comments by the shooter.


"Y'all calm down. I'm not going to kill y'all, y'all are Christians," Paris Nichols said, recalling the words of the shooter, who was identified Monday by a Houston Police Department source as 25-year-old Dionisio Garza III from San Bernardino County, California.

Police ID gunman in west Houston shooting spree as military vet

Railing against homosexuals, Jews, and Walmart, Garza then walked back toward his car to grab an AR-15 assault rifle, yelling that the world was coming to an end.

Now Bux will go on a rampage about the Military Culture.

 

[2aguy]

They are human beings moron being destroyed by the democrat party...

All the shooters will claim it was self defense. Or they were protecting something. Stand their ground and stuff.

Why are you not celebrating the heroic efforts of the shooters exercising their rights? Or are you?

So those that got shot were doing what?

Btw more than likely a couple of people carrying guns saw the shoot in Texas and wanted no part of a guy with an AR 15 and the ability to use it. Why would that be ya think?

Because of asswipes like you who would destroy them after they tried to save lives.......

And in this particular case, the good guy with the gun ended up in critical condition, and it was the police who ended the shooting spree.

There are times when it's best to let the professionals (policemen) do their jobs.

And of course all of a sudden we forget that this concealed carrier may have saved lives by engaging the shooter............

And as this article points out, they AR-15 isn't as deadly a weapon as you anti gun morons drool that it is....

Concealed Carrier Battled Mass Shooter In Houston: Media Silent

What many news outlets seem to be glossing over in their reporting of attack is that the veteran’s attack, carried out with an AR-15 variant, showed that the weapon was anything but “high-powered.” Six of the eight people shot with the most common rifle sold in the United States survived the attack.

One of those survivors, Byron Wilson, was a concealed carrier who drew his handgun and engaged the rifle armed shooter before being shot three times.

Pictures from the scene also show police patrol cars riddled with bullet holes.

He killed 56-year-old Eugene Linscomb and critically injured father Byron Wilson, who police say was trying to fight back and stop the deadly attack.

Authorities said Wilson had a concealed carry permit and fired at the suspect. He was shot three times in the process.

He is expected to survive.

Details are very sketchy about the exact role Mr. Wilson played in stopping the attack. We don’t know if Mr. Wilson hit the gunman, but we do know that he distracted him and shot at him. We don’t know why Mr. Wilson, who is just one of 12+ million concealed carriers in the United States, chose to draw his weapon and wade into a fight against an attacker with a longer-ranged weapon and ostensibly more training.

 

[miketx]

the media won't print them.

 

[Carla_Danger]

They are human beings moron being destroyed by the democrat party...

All the shooters will claim it was self defense. Or they were protecting something. Stand their ground and stuff.

Why are you not celebrating the heroic efforts of the shooters exercising their rights? Or are you?

So those that got shot were doing what?

Btw more than likely a couple of people carrying guns saw the shoot in Texas and wanted no part of a guy with an AR 15 and the ability to use it. Why would that be ya think?

Because of asswipes like you who would destroy them after they tried to save lives.......

And in this particular case, the good guy with the gun ended up in critical condition, and it was the police who ended the shooting spree.

There are times when it's best to let the professionals (policemen) do their jobs.

And of course all of a sudden we forget that this concealed carrier may have saved lives by engaging the shooter............

And as this article points out, they AR-15 isn't as deadly a weapon as you anti gun morons drool that it is....

Concealed Carrier Battled Mass Shooter In Houston: Media Silent

What many news outlets seem to be glossing over in their reporting of attack is that the veteran’s attack, carried out with an AR-15 variant, showed that the weapon was anything but “high-powered.” Six of the eight people shot with the most common rifle sold in the United States survived the attack.

One of those survivors, Byron Wilson, was a concealed carrier who drew his handgun and engaged the rifle armed shooter before being shot three times.

Pictures from the scene also show police patrol cars riddled with bullet holes.

He killed 56-year-old Eugene Linscomb and critically injured father Byron Wilson, who police say was trying to fight back and stop the deadly attack.

Authorities said Wilson had a concealed carry permit and fired at the suspect. He was shot three times in the process.

He is expected to survive.

Details are very sketchy about the exact role Mr. Wilson played in stopping the attack. We don’t know if Mr. Wilson hit the gunman, but we do know that he distracted him and shot at him. We don’t know why Mr. Wilson, who is just one of 12+ million concealed carriers in the United States, chose to draw his weapon and wade into a fight against an attacker with a longer-ranged weapon and ostensibly more training.

And he could have gotten others killed, including himself.

In this particular case, the only thing we know is that the good guy with a gun ended up in critical condition.

 

[2aguy]

These nuts have been repeating this RIDUCULOUS lie for years.

I've posted this before. It sums it up nicely.

Debunking the Defensive Gun Use Myth

Hemenwayrebutt has actually been shown to be a hack......and yet you use him after I show all of the actual research, both private and government based research, over a 40 year period, done by completely different researchers.......that show the actual research and the numbers they found.....and you use the hack....who uses the National Crime Victimization Survey as his gospel.......

Do you even realize that the NCVS that hemenwayrebutt uses...never even uses the word gun in it?.....do you realize that this research genius that you cite through your link uses a crime victim survey...that is not a defensive gun use study....in fact.....th NCVS...doesn't even ask anyone they survey any questions about gun use?


If you guys didn't lie...you would have to say nothing....because not one fact supports your position.....

 

[2aguy]

These nuts have been repeating this RIDUCULOUS lie for years.

I've posted this before. It sums it up nicely.

Debunking the Defensive Gun Use Myth

You are a real genius......this is the research that hemenway...they guy your link uses to lie about defensive gun uses......this research is what he swears to as being more accurate about defensive gun uses....you moron...

Notice....the dailykos is not spelled NRA.....it is a rabid, left wing site....and even they know the NCVS is crap....

Defensive Gun Use (Part III) - The National Crime Victimization Study

The disadvantages of this study design are:

1) the study is not specifically designed to measure DGUs;

2) the study does not track every type of crime;

3) the study does not ask every interviewee about episodes of DGU;

4) interviewees are not specifically asked about defending themselves with a gun;

5) follow-up studies have demonstrated that the incidence of assault (and especially assaults by relatives and non-strangers) in the NCVS is under-reported, and if crime is under-reported then so too will DGUs be under-reported;

6) respondents’ anonymity is not preserved, and some interviewees may therefore feel wary or unwilling to discuss gun use with federal government employees.

So moron....you link to a site that uses the work of a guy who says a study that is not a defensive gun use study.....is the most accurate study on defensive gun use....you are as big a moron as brain is.......do you guys wake up stupid or do you practice throughout the day?

The study does not ask every one in it if the same question about defensive gun use....and you think it is even remotely more accurate than 40 years of actual research, by people directly studying defensive gun use.....

you guys......can you even feed and dress yourselves....because your brand of stupid is pretty ******* powerful....

 

[2aguy]

They are human beings moron being destroyed by the democrat party...

All the shooters will claim it was self defense. Or they were protecting something. Stand their ground and stuff.

Why are you not celebrating the heroic efforts of the shooters exercising their rights? Or are you?

So those that got shot were doing what?

Btw more than likely a couple of people carrying guns saw the shoot in Texas and wanted no part of a guy with an AR 15 and the ability to use it. Why would that be ya think?

Because of asswipes like you who would destroy them after they tried to save lives.......

And in this particular case, the good guy with the gun ended up in critical condition, and it was the police who ended the shooting spree.

There are times when it's best to let the professionals (policemen) do their jobs.

And of course all of a sudden we forget that this concealed carrier may have saved lives by engaging the shooter............

And as this article points out, they AR-15 isn't as deadly a weapon as you anti gun morons drool that it is....

Concealed Carrier Battled Mass Shooter In Houston: Media Silent

What many news outlets seem to be glossing over in their reporting of attack is that the veteran’s attack, carried out with an AR-15 variant, showed that the weapon was anything but “high-powered.” Six of the eight people shot with the most common rifle sold in the United States survived the attack.

One of those survivors, Byron Wilson, was a concealed carrier who drew his handgun and engaged the rifle armed shooter before being shot three times.

Pictures from the scene also show police patrol cars riddled with bullet holes.

He killed 56-year-old Eugene Linscomb and critically injured father Byron Wilson, who police say was trying to fight back and stop the deadly attack.

Authorities said Wilson had a concealed carry permit and fired at the suspect. He was shot three times in the process.

He is expected to survive.

Details are very sketchy about the exact role Mr. Wilson played in stopping the attack. We don’t know if Mr. Wilson hit the gunman, but we do know that he distracted him and shot at him. We don’t know why Mr. Wilson, who is just one of 12+ million concealed carriers in the United States, chose to draw his weapon and wade into a fight against an attacker with a longer-ranged weapon and ostensibly more training.

And he could have gotten others killed, including himself.

In this particular case, the only thing we know is that the good guy with a gun ended up in critical condition.

Yeah......let's wait and see what actuallly happenned.........the anti gun journalists will be withholding anything positive about the defensive gun user......in fact...they might be trying to find out if he is a "White Hispanic" and they might be busy editing his 911 call and editing the video footage they may have....

So let's wait genius to see what happened......and of course....all the other times where a concealed carrier actually stopped a mass shooter, let's completely ignore those....

moron.

 

[2aguy]

They are human beings moron being destroyed by the democrat party...

All the shooters will claim it was self defense. Or they were protecting something. Stand their ground and stuff.

Why are you not celebrating the heroic efforts of the shooters exercising their rights? Or are you?

So those that got shot were doing what?

Btw more than likely a couple of people carrying guns saw the shoot in Texas and wanted no part of a guy with an AR 15 and the ability to use it. Why would that be ya think?

Because of asswipes like you who would destroy them after they tried to save lives.......

And in this particular case, the good guy with the gun ended up in critical condition, and it was the police who ended the shooting spree.

There are times when it's best to let the professionals (policemen) do their jobs.

And of course all of a sudden we forget that this concealed carrier may have saved lives by engaging the shooter............

And as this article points out, they AR-15 isn't as deadly a weapon as you anti gun morons drool that it is....

Concealed Carrier Battled Mass Shooter In Houston: Media Silent

What many news outlets seem to be glossing over in their reporting of attack is that the veteran’s attack, carried out with an AR-15 variant, showed that the weapon was anything but “high-powered.” Six of the eight people shot with the most common rifle sold in the United States survived the attack.

One of those survivors, Byron Wilson, was a concealed carrier who drew his handgun and engaged the rifle armed shooter before being shot three times.

Pictures from the scene also show police patrol cars riddled with bullet holes.

He killed 56-year-old Eugene Linscomb and critically injured father Byron Wilson, who police say was trying to fight back and stop the deadly attack.

Authorities said Wilson had a concealed carry permit and fired at the suspect. He was shot three times in the process.

He is expected to survive.

Details are very sketchy about the exact role Mr. Wilson played in stopping the attack. We don’t know if Mr. Wilson hit the gunman, but we do know that he distracted him and shot at him. We don’t know why Mr. Wilson, who is just one of 12+ million concealed carriers in the United States, chose to draw his weapon and wade into a fight against an attacker with a longer-ranged weapon and ostensibly more training.

And he could have gotten others killed, including himself.

In this particular case, the only thing we know is that the good guy with a gun ended up in critical condition.

And he could have gotten others killed, including himself.

There is a guy shooting a rifle at innocent people.....and your big insight is that the guy trying to stop him might have gotten others killed....as the shooter is firing randomly into a community....at innocent people......

Did you start drinking early this morning or are you just stupid?

 

[2aguy]

These nuts have been repeating this RIDUCULOUS lie for years.

I've posted this before. It sums it up nicely.

Debunking the Defensive Gun Use Myth

To the morons who thanked the other moron for this post....read post #234...to see why you are morons for not actually doing research on the topic........

Here, I will save you the trouble since you are obviously pretty stupid people...

The National Crime Victimization Survey is what hemenway, the guy cited in that link.....uses to try to debunk 40 years of actual defensive gun use research......and this left wing site shows why the NCVS is stupid........


Defensive Gun Use (Part III) - The National Crime Victimization Study

The disadvantages of this study design are:

1) the study is not specifically designed to measure DGUs;

2) the study does not track every type of crime;

3) the study does not ask every interviewee about episodes of DGU;

4) interviewees are not specifically asked about defending themselves with a gun;

5) follow-up studies have demonstrated that the incidence of assault (and especially assaults by relatives and non-strangers) in the NCVS is under-reported, and if crime is under-reported then so too will DGUs be under-reported;

6) respondents’ anonymity is not preserved, and some interviewees may therefore feel wary or unwilling to discuss gun use with federal government employees.

 

[LoneLaugher]

These nuts have been repeating this RIDUCULOUS lie for years.

I've posted this before. It sums it up nicely.

Debunking the Defensive Gun Use Myth

Hemenwayrebutt has actually been shown to be a hack......and yet you use him after I show all of the actual research, both private and government based research, over a 40 year period, done by completely different researchers.......that show the actual research and the numbers they found.....and you use the hack....who uses the National Crime Victimization Survey as his gospel.......

Do you even realize that the NCVS that hemenwayrebutt uses...never even uses the word gun in it?.....do you realize that this research genius that you cite through your link uses a crime victim survey...that is not a defensive gun use study....in fact.....th NCVS...doesn't even ask anyone they survey any questions about gun use?


If you guys didn't lie...you would have to say nothing....because not one fact supports your position.....

Allow me to repeat

FOUR THOUSAND PER DAY.

Not 4
Not 40

FOUR THOUSAND PER DAY!

It takes an imbecile.

 

[Wilbur Right]

Allow me to repeat

FOUR THOUSAND PER DAY.

Not 4
Not 40

FOUR THOUSAND PER DAY!

It takes an imbecile.

I beat him over the head with that little statistic for weeks not to long ago and he don't care. He has no common sense about guns. None.

 

[koshergrl]

I would love one of these retards to provide evidence of non-cop friendly fire killing innocent bystanders as a result of armed citizens shooting back at armed assailants.

Please. Show me a case where some well-meaning joe accidentally killed someone other than who they meant to kill when they were protecting people from an armed attack.

Because you won't find any cases like that. The ONLY people who *accidentally* kill bystanders are the criminals, and the cops.

http://nypost.com/2016/03/16/friendly-fire-that-killed-maryland-cop-was-deliberately-aimed/

Las Vegas police dog killed by friendly fire

Incidentally, "Police originally reported that Simpson shot and killed the pooch."

Yup. They lied. Because they're criminal thugs.