2.2 million jobs created since the election. Hooray USA! This is a good thing, right?

[eddiew37]

Since 2000, however, overall employment in manufacturing has declined about 25%, falling from around 17 million at the beginning of the century to around 13 million today. Workers leaving the industry or the workforce altogether, and therefore no longer counting as unemployed manufacturing workers, has no doubt contributed to some of this decline.

Manufacturing unemployment is at a record low

You forgot to paste the first part of the article:

The unemployment rate in the U.S. is currently at 4.1%, its lowest level since December 2000.

But if you’re in the manufacturing industry, you’ve never seen an unemployment rate lower. In November, the unemployment rate in the manufacturing industry fell to 2.6%, the lowest on record for the series, which dates back to January 2000.

No problemo. See, Trump is doing what he said he would do.

What are the REAL numbers? Why aren’t you questioning the numbers like you did last year?

Because republicans are all FOS

 

[sealybobo]

Since 2000, however, overall employment in manufacturing has declined about 25%, falling from around 17 million at the beginning of the century to around 13 million today. Workers leaving the industry or the workforce altogether, and therefore no longer counting as unemployed manufacturing workers, has no doubt contributed to some of this decline.

Manufacturing unemployment is at a record low

You forgot to paste the first part of the article:

The unemployment rate in the U.S. is currently at 4.1%, its lowest level since December 2000.

But if you’re in the manufacturing industry, you’ve never seen an unemployment rate lower. In November, the unemployment rate in the manufacturing industry fell to 2.6%, the lowest on record for the series, which dates back to January 2000.

No problemo. See, Trump is doing what he said he would do.

What are the REAL numbers? Why aren’t you questioning the numbers like you did last year?

Because republicans are all FOS

Pay attention to their numbers too. Let’s say the middle class pay goes up two cents but ceo pay doubles. They’ll factor in the rich pay raises and brag that wages have gone up.

I got a big raise this year. The only thing I hate is trump will get undeserved credit for it. I thank obama for righting the ship

 

[SmokeALib]

Since 2000, however, overall employment in manufacturing has declined about 25%, falling from around 17 million at the beginning of the century to around 13 million today. Workers leaving the industry or the workforce altogether, and therefore no longer counting as unemployed manufacturing workers, has no doubt contributed to some of this decline.

Manufacturing unemployment is at a record low

You forgot to paste the first part of the article:

The unemployment rate in the U.S. is currently at 4.1%, its lowest level since December 2000.

But if you’re in the manufacturing industry, you’ve never seen an unemployment rate lower. In November, the unemployment rate in the manufacturing industry fell to 2.6%, the lowest on record for the series, which dates back to January 2000.

No problemo. See, Trump is doing what he said he would do.

What are the REAL numbers? Why aren’t you questioning the numbers like you did last year?

Because republicans are all FOS

Pay attention to their numbers too. Let’s say the middle class pay goes up two cents but ceo pay doubles. They’ll factor in the rich pay raises and brag that wages have gone up.

I got a big raise this year. The only thing I hate is trump will get undeserved credit for it. I thank obama for righting the ship

You work? I don't believe it.

 

[Mac1958]

Jobs numbers look good, incomes appear to be increasing. Good stuff. Let's hope this continues. Right?

Yes but if Hillary were president you’d have a different spin on this.

Sure. That's partisan politics, and just another perfect example of why partisans have zero (0) credibility. The Democrats are downplaying it, just as the Republicans would be.

Meanwhile republicans are shifting the tax burden more on us with this new tax bill.

Yep. They know they have to push SOMETHING through after the ACA debacle, and they belched this out trying to prove they can govern. Now let's see what they (try to) do to Medicare and Social Security.
.

 

[sealybobo]

Since 2000, however, overall employment in manufacturing has declined about 25%, falling from around 17 million at the beginning of the century to around 13 million today. Workers leaving the industry or the workforce altogether, and therefore no longer counting as unemployed manufacturing workers, has no doubt contributed to some of this decline.

Manufacturing unemployment is at a record low

You forgot to paste the first part of the article:

The unemployment rate in the U.S. is currently at 4.1%, its lowest level since December 2000.

But if you’re in the manufacturing industry, you’ve never seen an unemployment rate lower. In November, the unemployment rate in the manufacturing industry fell to 2.6%, the lowest on record for the series, which dates back to January 2000.

No problemo. See, Trump is doing what he said he would do.

What are the REAL numbers? Why aren’t you questioning the numbers like you did last year?

Because republicans are all FOS

Pay attention to their numbers too. Let’s say the middle class pay goes up two cents but ceo pay doubles. They’ll factor in the rich pay raises and brag that wages have gone up.

I got a big raise this year. The only thing I hate is trump will get undeserved credit for it. I thank obama for righting the ship

You work? I don't believe it.

I tripled aftermarket sales and got a 30k plus raise.

What I don’t believe is you are broke and vote republican. Why? How are they helping you?

 

[sealybobo]

Jobs numbers look good, incomes appear to be increasing. Good stuff. Let's hope this continues. Right?

Yes but if Hillary were president you’d have a different spin on this.

Sure. That's partisan politics, and just another perfect example of why partisans have zero (0) credibility. The Democrats are downplaying it, just as the Republicans would be.

Meanwhile republicans are shifting the tax burden more on us with this new tax bill.

Yep. They know they have to push SOMETHING through after the ACA debacle, and they belched this out trying to prove they can govern. Now let's see what they (try to) do to Medicare and Social Security.
.

Trump said what the dems were doing wasn’t good enough. If they don’t do better what does that say? What should we make of that?

And don’t brag that business is doing better. They were doing fine already. How is labor doing?

 

[Mac1958]

Jobs numbers look good, incomes appear to be increasing. Good stuff. Let's hope this continues. Right?

Yes but if Hillary were president you’d have a different spin on this.

Sure. That's partisan politics, and just another perfect example of why partisans have zero (0) credibility. The Democrats are downplaying it, just as the Republicans would be.

Meanwhile republicans are shifting the tax burden more on us with this new tax bill.

Yep. They know they have to push SOMETHING through after the ACA debacle, and they belched this out trying to prove they can govern. Now let's see what they (try to) do to Medicare and Social Security.
.

Trump said what the dems were doing wasn’t good enough. If they don’t do better what does that say? What should we make of that?

And don’t brag that business is doing better. They were doing fine already. How is labor doing?

I'd think it means that (a) they're showing little ability to govern, and (b) they're paralyzed by the divisions and opposing loyalties within the party.

There is data suggesting that incomes are beginning to increase, which should be the natural result of a lower unemployment rate. The fact that it took so long indicates to me that there has been a lot of slack in the system, almost certainly a result of the meltdown. Manufacturing is also clearly stabilizing, which is the first step needed for a turnaround.

Since the economy and markets are my profession, I'm quite comfy to admit that I won't have a clear picture of exactly what is going on and why, and most likely will not for another five to ten years (hopefully). The rest of this is just silly partisan rhetoric. I don't have the luxury of that, since I have to take this stuff seriously.
.

 

[RealDave]

2.2 million burger flipping jobs...who cares?

172 million Americans are still out of the workplace

Pelosi said that was a good thing, remember?

And you agree with her?

Not at all, just showing the ignorance of liberals.

Funny Chit from a duped asshole who voted for Trump.

Lol, the average Hillary supporter, oh and now you loonies are shitting all over your fingers and are taking pictures of yourselves shooting a Bird. Lol you don't have a pot to piss in questioning others intelligence. View attachment 165162

Stupid is as stupid does.

Trump won the uneducated white vote.
http://www.usmessageboard.com/threa...-good-thing-right.644021/reply?quote=18787024

 

[RealDave]

Since 2000, however, overall employment in manufacturing has declined about 25%, falling from around 17 million at the beginning of the century to around 13 million today. Workers leaving the industry or the workforce altogether, and therefore no longer counting as unemployed manufacturing workers, has no doubt contributed to some of this decline.

Manufacturing unemployment is at a record low

You forgot to paste the first part of the article:

The unemployment rate in the U.S. is currently at 4.1%, its lowest level since December 2000.

But if you’re in the manufacturing industry, you’ve never seen an unemployment rate lower. In November, the unemployment rate in the manufacturing industry fell to 2.6%, the lowest on record for the series, which dates back to January 2000.

No problemo. See, Trump is doing what he said he would do.

He said he would stop people like himself from manufacturing goods overseas...But he has no control over the private sector manufacturing...This is not a socialist nation...Are you about to get it yet?

Has he stopped himself or Ivanka?

If he has no control over manufacturing, he should not hae promised he would get all these manufacturing jobs.

You can't argue it both ways, dipshit.

 

[sealybobo]

Jobs numbers look good, incomes appear to be increasing. Good stuff. Let's hope this continues. Right?

Yes but if Hillary were president you’d have a different spin on this.

Sure. That's partisan politics, and just another perfect example of why partisans have zero (0) credibility. The Democrats are downplaying it, just as the Republicans would be.

Meanwhile republicans are shifting the tax burden more on us with this new tax bill.

Yep. They know they have to push SOMETHING through after the ACA debacle, and they belched this out trying to prove they can govern. Now let's see what they (try to) do to Medicare and Social Security.
.

Trump said what the dems were doing wasn’t good enough. If they don’t do better what does that say? What should we make of that?

And don’t brag that business is doing better. They were doing fine already. How is labor doing?

I'd think it means that (a) they're showing little ability to govern, and (b) they're paralyzed by the divisions and opposing loyalties within the party.

There is data suggesting that incomes are beginning to increase, which should be the natural result of a lower unemployment rate. The fact that it took so long indicates to me that there has been a lot of slack in the system, almost certainly a result of the meltdown. Manufacturing is also clearly stabilizing, which is the first step needed for a turnaround.

Since the economy and markets are my profession, I'm quite comfy to admit that I won't have a clear picture of exactly what is going on and why, and most likely will not for another five to ten years (hopefully). The rest of this is just silly partisan rhetoric. I don't have the luxury of that, since I have to take this stuff seriously.
.

They can’t pass what they want to pass because what they want to pass is unpopular with the masses. They try but even members of their party won’t sign it because they got to worry about getting re elected.
Wages have been slow to go up because the employers know employees are afraid to lose their jobs. Even if companies are hiring, they aren’t hiring the unemployed. Republicans succeeded in making workers fear for their jobs. No job security.

 

[Mac1958]

Jobs numbers look good, incomes appear to be increasing. Good stuff. Let's hope this continues. Right?

Yes but if Hillary were president you’d have a different spin on this.

Sure. That's partisan politics, and just another perfect example of why partisans have zero (0) credibility. The Democrats are downplaying it, just as the Republicans would be.

Meanwhile republicans are shifting the tax burden more on us with this new tax bill.

Yep. They know they have to push SOMETHING through after the ACA debacle, and they belched this out trying to prove they can govern. Now let's see what they (try to) do to Medicare and Social Security.
.

Trump said what the dems were doing wasn’t good enough. If they don’t do better what does that say? What should we make of that?

And don’t brag that business is doing better. They were doing fine already. How is labor doing?

I'd think it means that (a) they're showing little ability to govern, and (b) they're paralyzed by the divisions and opposing loyalties within the party.

There is data suggesting that incomes are beginning to increase, which should be the natural result of a lower unemployment rate. The fact that it took so long indicates to me that there has been a lot of slack in the system, almost certainly a result of the meltdown. Manufacturing is also clearly stabilizing, which is the first step needed for a turnaround.

Since the economy and markets are my profession, I'm quite comfy to admit that I won't have a clear picture of exactly what is going on and why, and most likely will not for another five to ten years (hopefully). The rest of this is just silly partisan rhetoric. I don't have the luxury of that, since I have to take this stuff seriously.
.

They can’t pass what they want to pass because what they want to pass is unpopular with the masses. They try but even members of their party won’t sign it because they got to worry about getting re elected.
Wages have been slow to go up because the employers know employees are afraid to lose their jobs. Even if companies are hiring, they aren’t hiring the unemployed. Republicans succeeded in making workers fear for their jobs. No job security.

Looks like we disagree then.
.

 

[sealybobo]

Yes but if Hillary were president you’d have a different spin on this.

Sure. That's partisan politics, and just another perfect example of why partisans have zero (0) credibility. The Democrats are downplaying it, just as the Republicans would be.

Meanwhile republicans are shifting the tax burden more on us with this new tax bill.

Yep. They know they have to push SOMETHING through after the ACA debacle, and they belched this out trying to prove they can govern. Now let's see what they (try to) do to Medicare and Social Security.
.

Trump said what the dems were doing wasn’t good enough. If they don’t do better what does that say? What should we make of that?

And don’t brag that business is doing better. They were doing fine already. How is labor doing?

I'd think it means that (a) they're showing little ability to govern, and (b) they're paralyzed by the divisions and opposing loyalties within the party.

There is data suggesting that incomes are beginning to increase, which should be the natural result of a lower unemployment rate. The fact that it took so long indicates to me that there has been a lot of slack in the system, almost certainly a result of the meltdown. Manufacturing is also clearly stabilizing, which is the first step needed for a turnaround.

Since the economy and markets are my profession, I'm quite comfy to admit that I won't have a clear picture of exactly what is going on and why, and most likely will not for another five to ten years (hopefully). The rest of this is just silly partisan rhetoric. I don't have the luxury of that, since I have to take this stuff seriously.
.

They can’t pass what they want to pass because what they want to pass is unpopular with the masses. They try but even members of their party won’t sign it because they got to worry about getting re elected.
Wages have been slow to go up because the employers know employees are afraid to lose their jobs. Even if companies are hiring, they aren’t hiring the unemployed. Republicans succeeded in making workers fear for their jobs. No job security.

Looks like we disagree then.
.

We can’t both be right?

 

[Mac1958]

Sure. That's partisan politics, and just another perfect example of why partisans have zero (0) credibility. The Democrats are downplaying it, just as the Republicans would be.
Yep. They know they have to push SOMETHING through after the ACA debacle, and they belched this out trying to prove they can govern. Now let's see what they (try to) do to Medicare and Social Security.
.

Trump said what the dems were doing wasn’t good enough. If they don’t do better what does that say? What should we make of that?

And don’t brag that business is doing better. They were doing fine already. How is labor doing?

I'd think it means that (a) they're showing little ability to govern, and (b) they're paralyzed by the divisions and opposing loyalties within the party.

There is data suggesting that incomes are beginning to increase, which should be the natural result of a lower unemployment rate. The fact that it took so long indicates to me that there has been a lot of slack in the system, almost certainly a result of the meltdown. Manufacturing is also clearly stabilizing, which is the first step needed for a turnaround.

Since the economy and markets are my profession, I'm quite comfy to admit that I won't have a clear picture of exactly what is going on and why, and most likely will not for another five to ten years (hopefully). The rest of this is just silly partisan rhetoric. I don't have the luxury of that, since I have to take this stuff seriously.
.

They can’t pass what they want to pass because what they want to pass is unpopular with the masses. They try but even members of their party won’t sign it because they got to worry about getting re elected.
Wages have been slow to go up because the employers know employees are afraid to lose their jobs. Even if companies are hiring, they aren’t hiring the unemployed. Republicans succeeded in making workers fear for their jobs. No job security.

Looks like we disagree then.
.

We can’t both be right?

I don't think wages have been slow to go up because business is the bad guy. And the "Republicans succeeded in making workers fear for their jobs" is just partisan rhetoric.

The economy, business economics and fluctuations in markets are more complicated than political sloganeering. They don't turn on a dime, and they're not easily explained by taking political credit or laying political blame.
.

 

[sealybobo]

Trump said what the dems were doing wasn’t good enough. If they don’t do better what does that say? What should we make of that?

And don’t brag that business is doing better. They were doing fine already. How is labor doing?

I'd think it means that (a) they're showing little ability to govern, and (b) they're paralyzed by the divisions and opposing loyalties within the party.

There is data suggesting that incomes are beginning to increase, which should be the natural result of a lower unemployment rate. The fact that it took so long indicates to me that there has been a lot of slack in the system, almost certainly a result of the meltdown. Manufacturing is also clearly stabilizing, which is the first step needed for a turnaround.

Since the economy and markets are my profession, I'm quite comfy to admit that I won't have a clear picture of exactly what is going on and why, and most likely will not for another five to ten years (hopefully). The rest of this is just silly partisan rhetoric. I don't have the luxury of that, since I have to take this stuff seriously.
.

They can’t pass what they want to pass because what they want to pass is unpopular with the masses. They try but even members of their party won’t sign it because they got to worry about getting re elected.
Wages have been slow to go up because the employers know employees are afraid to lose their jobs. Even if companies are hiring, they aren’t hiring the unemployed. Republicans succeeded in making workers fear for their jobs. No job security.

Looks like we disagree then.
.

We can’t both be right?

I don't think wages have been slow to go up because business is the bad guy. And the "Republicans succeeded in making workers fear for their jobs" is just partisan rhetoric.

The economy, business economics and fluctuations in markets are more complicated than political sloganeering. They don't turn on a dime, and they're not easily explained by taking political credit or laying political blame.
.

Well I’ve been paying attention too and I don’t think business is the good guy either.

You seem a bit naive blowing off everything I say as just being conspiracy theories and partisan untrue. It’s not. Class warfare exists. Republicans have conspired against workers when they went global. They wanted to break unions. They sent good paying jobs overseas. Went bankrupt first and reneged on pensions.

You assume it wasn’t all by design. Sorry I won’t pretend what happened didn’t happen. I saw what I saw.

What you’re doing is dangerous. You don’t put two and two together. For example republicans give corporations tax breaks then raise our taxes to pay for roads. Then non partisans like you agree when they say we’re broke. And you’ll call me a partisan for reminding you about the tax break they gave as being the reason.

 

[sealybobo]

Jobs numbers look good, incomes appear to be increasing. Good stuff. Let's hope this continues. Right?

Yes but if Hillary were president you’d have a different spin on this.

Sure. That's partisan politics, and just another perfect example of why partisans have zero (0) credibility. The Democrats are downplaying it, just as the Republicans would be.

Meanwhile republicans are shifting the tax burden more on us with this new tax bill.

Yep. They know they have to push SOMETHING through after the ACA debacle, and they belched this out trying to prove they can govern. Now let's see what they (try to) do to Medicare and Social Security.
.

Trump said what the dems were doing wasn’t good enough. If they don’t do better what does that say? What should we make of that?

And don’t brag that business is doing better. They were doing fine already. How is labor doing?

I'd think it means that (a) they're showing little ability to govern, and (b) they're paralyzed by the divisions and opposing loyalties within the party.

There is data suggesting that incomes are beginning to increase, which should be the natural result of a lower unemployment rate. The fact that it took so long indicates to me that there has been a lot of slack in the system, almost certainly a result of the meltdown. Manufacturing is also clearly stabilizing, which is the first step needed for a turnaround.

Since the economy and markets are my profession, I'm quite comfy to admit that I won't have a clear picture of exactly what is going on and why, and most likely will not for another five to ten years (hopefully). The rest of this is just silly partisan rhetoric. I don't have the luxury of that, since I have to take this stuff seriously.
.

I can’t stand economics. Because I’ve seen in the real world what I was taught does not always apply. For example if corporations buy cheap from China that doesn’t mean they’ll pass the savings on.

 

[Mac1958]

I'd think it means that (a) they're showing little ability to govern, and (b) they're paralyzed by the divisions and opposing loyalties within the party.

There is data suggesting that incomes are beginning to increase, which should be the natural result of a lower unemployment rate. The fact that it took so long indicates to me that there has been a lot of slack in the system, almost certainly a result of the meltdown. Manufacturing is also clearly stabilizing, which is the first step needed for a turnaround.

Since the economy and markets are my profession, I'm quite comfy to admit that I won't have a clear picture of exactly what is going on and why, and most likely will not for another five to ten years (hopefully). The rest of this is just silly partisan rhetoric. I don't have the luxury of that, since I have to take this stuff seriously.
.

They can’t pass what they want to pass because what they want to pass is unpopular with the masses. They try but even members of their party won’t sign it because they got to worry about getting re elected.
Wages have been slow to go up because the employers know employees are afraid to lose their jobs. Even if companies are hiring, they aren’t hiring the unemployed. Republicans succeeded in making workers fear for their jobs. No job security.

Looks like we disagree then.
.

We can’t both be right?

I don't think wages have been slow to go up because business is the bad guy. And the "Republicans succeeded in making workers fear for their jobs" is just partisan rhetoric.

The economy, business economics and fluctuations in markets are more complicated than political sloganeering. They don't turn on a dime, and they're not easily explained by taking political credit or laying political blame.
.

Well I’ve been paying attention too and I don’t think business is the good guy either.

You seem a bit naive blowing off everything I say as just being conspiracy theories and partisan untrue. It’s not. Class warfare exists. Republicans have conspired against workers when they went global. They wanted to break unions. They sent good paying jobs overseas. Went bankrupt first and reneged on pensions.

You assume it wasn’t all by design. Sorry I won’t pretend what happened didn’t happen. I saw what I saw.

What you’re doing is dangerous. You don’t put two and two together. For example republicans give corporations tax breaks then raise our taxes to pay for roads. Then non partisans like you agree when they say we’re broke. And you’ll call me a partisan for reminding you about the tax break they gave as being the reason.

This stuff is my profession. I have to take it personally and seriously, and I can't allow myself to allow political ideology to distort my thinking. I have nearly 300 clients who are depending on me to be thinking clearly and rationally.
.

 

[Windparadox]

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I celebrate the creation of jobs but trump had NOTHING to do with that.

 

[sealybobo]

They can’t pass what they want to pass because what they want to pass is unpopular with the masses. They try but even members of their party won’t sign it because they got to worry about getting re elected.
Wages have been slow to go up because the employers know employees are afraid to lose their jobs. Even if companies are hiring, they aren’t hiring the unemployed. Republicans succeeded in making workers fear for their jobs. No job security.

Looks like we disagree then.
.

We can’t both be right?

I don't think wages have been slow to go up because business is the bad guy. And the "Republicans succeeded in making workers fear for their jobs" is just partisan rhetoric.

The economy, business economics and fluctuations in markets are more complicated than political sloganeering. They don't turn on a dime, and they're not easily explained by taking political credit or laying political blame.
.

Well I’ve been paying attention too and I don’t think business is the good guy either.

You seem a bit naive blowing off everything I say as just being conspiracy theories and partisan untrue. It’s not. Class warfare exists. Republicans have conspired against workers when they went global. They wanted to break unions. They sent good paying jobs overseas. Went bankrupt first and reneged on pensions.

You assume it wasn’t all by design. Sorry I won’t pretend what happened didn’t happen. I saw what I saw.

What you’re doing is dangerous. You don’t put two and two together. For example republicans give corporations tax breaks then raise our taxes to pay for roads. Then non partisans like you agree when they say we’re broke. And you’ll call me a partisan for reminding you about the tax break they gave as being the reason.

This stuff is my profession. I have to take it personally and seriously, and I can't allow myself to allow political ideology to distort my thinking. I have nearly 300 clients who are depending on me to be thinking clearly and rationally.
.

I understand. As an investor I like republicans. As a worker I don’t. I see your dilemma

 

[eddiew37]

Jobs numbers look good, incomes appear to be increasing. Good stuff. Let's hope this continues. Right?

Yes but if Hillary were president you’d have a different spin on this.

Sure. That's partisan politics, and just another perfect example of why partisans have zero (0) credibility. The Democrats are downplaying it, just as the Republicans would be.

Meanwhile republicans are shifting the tax burden more on us with this new tax bill.

Yep. They know they have to push SOMETHING through after the ACA debacle, and they belched this out trying to prove they can govern. Now let's see what they (try to) do to Medicare and Social Security.
.

Trump said what the dems were doing wasn’t good enough. If they don’t do better what does that say? What should we make of that?

And don’t brag that business is doing better. They were doing fine already. How is labor doing?

How far has pay risen for workers?...Repubs won't increase Min. pay

 

[Meathead]

Even if companies are hiring, they aren’t hiring the unemployed. Republicans succeeded in making workers fear for their jobs. No job security.

Sealy, you're honestly too stupid. Words fail me.