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[TNHarley]

That was the last time Congress wrote a declaration of war. NINETEEN FOURTY TWO.
How many wars have we been involved with since? You people only ***** about "mUh cOnGrEsS" when its the "other side" doing the crap.
You are all so disingenuous it is nauseating.

The Last Formal Declaration of War - JSTOR Daily

The last time Congress formally declared war was in World War II.

daily.jstor.org

Delegation of powers is not in the constitution. Anywhere. Jefferson spoke of it, but he was also referring to non legislative power. Guess what declarations of war is?
You guys don't really care about the constitution. At all.
Real liberalism is dead.
Real conservatism is dead.
Neoconservatism is alive and well.

 

[gipper]

Some here like the dystopia.

 

[Chuz Life]

That was the last time Congress wrote a declaration of war. NINETEEN FOURTY TWO.
How many wars have we been involved with since? You people only ***** about "mUh cOnGrEsS" when its the "other side" doing the crap.
You are all so disingenuous it is nauseating.

The Last Formal Declaration of War - JSTOR Daily

The last time Congress formally declared war was in World War II.

daily.jstor.org

Delegation of powers is not in the constitution. Anywhere. Jefferson spoke of it, but he was also referring to non legislative power. Guess what declarations of war is?
You guys don't really care about the constitution. At all.
Real liberalism is dead.
Real conservatism is dead.
Neoconservatism is alive and well.

I don't discount the point you are trying to make. When time permits, I would like to see military actions and deployments pass a Congressional Muster. However, we should all know how that would only result in too many cases where (during that politicization) - even more innocents are targeted and killed by our self-declared "enemies."

"While this interbranch debate remains active, other questions concerning the Declare War Clause have been settled by longstanding practice and judicial opinions. For example, the Supreme Court has recognized that Congress need not issue a formal declaration of war to authorize the United States to engage in military action.7 Congress also can, by statute, authorize the President to use force within defined parameters that do not rise to the level of a general declaration of war.8

The United States has issued declarations of war against eleven countries during five conflicts, but it has not formally declared war since World War II.9 As a result, statutory authorizations have become the predominant method for Congress to permit military action since the Second World War.10"

Overview of Declare War Clause

www.law.cornell.edu

 

[CrusaderFrank]

That was the last time Congress wrote a declaration of war. NINETEEN FOURTY TWO.
How many wars have we been involved with since? You people only ***** about "mUh cOnGrEsS" when its the "other side" doing the crap.
You are all so disingenuous it is nauseating.

The Last Formal Declaration of War - JSTOR Daily

The last time Congress formally declared war was in World War II.

daily.jstor.org

Delegation of powers is not in the constitution. Anywhere. Jefferson spoke of it, but he was also referring to non legislative power. Guess what declarations of war is?
You guys don't really care about the constitution. At all.
Real liberalism is dead.
Real conservatism is dead.
Neoconservatism is alive and well.

And our track record is virtually 0 for everything after that; costing us trillions and trillions of dollars and so many troops killed and wounded

 

[TNHarley]

I don't discount the point you are trying to make. When time permits, I would like to see military actions and deployments pass a Congressional Muster. However, we should all know how that would only result in too many cases where (during that politicization) - even more innocents are targeted and killed by our self-declared "enemies."

"While this interbranch debate remains active, other questions concerning the Declare War Clause have been settled by longstanding practice and judicial opinions. For example, the Supreme Court has recognized that Congress need not issue a formal declaration of war to authorize the United States to engage in military action.7 Congress also can, by statute, authorize the President to use force within defined parameters that do not rise to the level of a general declaration of war.8

The United States has issued declarations of war against eleven countries during five conflicts, but it has not formally declared war since World War II.9 As a result, statutory authorizations have become the predominant method for Congress to permit military action since the Second World War.10"

Overview of Declare War Clause

www.law.cornell.edu

"the supreme court has recognized" recognized from what? Or did they simply make that crap up? Like they do so many other things.
Even Alexander Hamilton was against the president initiating hostilities.
See, the founders wanted CONGRESS to have the power over war, so presidents couldnt, just by themselves, drag us into needless conflicts.
Like they have been doing for decades.

 

[MisterBeale]

That was the last time Congress wrote a declaration of war. NINETEEN FOURTY TWO.
How many wars have we been involved with since? You people only ***** about "mUh cOnGrEsS" when its the "other side" doing the crap.
You are all so disingenuous it is nauseating.

The Last Formal Declaration of War - JSTOR Daily

The last time Congress formally declared war was in World War II.

daily.jstor.org

Delegation of powers is not in the constitution. Anywhere. Jefferson spoke of it, but he was also referring to non legislative power. Guess what declarations of war is?
You guys don't really care about the constitution. At all.
Real liberalism is dead.
Real conservatism is dead.
Neoconservatism is alive and well.

 

[dudmuck]

 

[MisterBeale]

Noice.

But that is the same picture of congress acting on all the shit Biden, Hillary and Obama did as well.

 

[Chuz Life]

"the supreme court has recognized" recognized from what? Or did they simply make that crap up? Like they do so many other things.
Even Alexander Hamilton was against the president initiating hostilities.
See, the founders wanted CONGRESS to have the power over war, so presidents couldnt, just by themselves, drag us into needless conflicts.
Like they have been doing for decades.

Again, I don't argue against your point.

At least not entirely.

When the Constitution was drafted, the majority of the people and even State Governments had much less trust in the "Federal" government than we see today. That's why the Bill of Rights had to be added, just to get the Constitution to where it could be ratified.

Politics, and even warfare itself, have evolved since.

The need for fast decision and action is more immediate now than it ever was before. . . and I (for one) don't like the thought of opportunities for military effectiveness to be lost, while the Congress plays political football with the decision on what to do.

There is a tool for Congress to use, in the event that a president abuses his authority, if it is ever actually as bad as what you seem to think it is.

Impeachment and removal.

 

[TNHarley]

Noice.

But that is the same picture of congress acting on all the shit Biden, Hillary and Obama did as well.

And clinton. And reagan. Blah blah blah

 

[MisterBeale]

Trump should have made his case for war to Congress and the American people

The administration was wrong to unilaterally and unconstitutionally commit the U.S. to war.

reason.com

Operation Epstein’s Fury Is a Roaring Success!​

By Lieutenant Colonel Karen Kwiatkowski

March 2, 2026

Operation Epstein’s Fury Is a Roaring Success! - LewRockwell

Bibi Netanyahu has again salvaged his prime ministership, and the hapless Donald Trump hopes the markets won’t move too badly this week. After all, his advisors and partners told him this would be easy, and good for his presidency. A cakewalk, if you will. Israel will do the heavy lifting...

www.lewrockwell.com

“Facetious” applies, but “false” or “fake” works just as well. To break it down, and most Americans already have, we recognize that Iran doesn’t have nukes, and won’t have them in a few weeks, no matter how many times Bibi or AIPAC lobbyists say it. Strangely enough, Iran has more motivation than ever to make, buy or borrow them, given the routine attacks they suffer by the twin nuclear pariahs. Netanyahu’s more recently requirement that Iran eliminate their conventional ballistic missiles is as idiotic as it is vague – what Trump means to say is he and Israel simply wish to be able to strike Iran at will without those annoying retaliatory strikes. Israel and Trump no likey the Ayatollah, and would prefer a pet of their own running Tehran and dictatoring the great and long-suffering Iranian people just the way we like it. Assassination attempts have happened before, and Bibi and the Donald both wax poetic about their past achievements in this arena. Trump proudest first-term moment was his assassination (extra-constitutional and extra-judicial) of Major General Qasem Soleimani, the second most powerful person in the Iranian leadership at the time. He’ll take credit for the death of Khamenei in any case, and he likes the way “decapitation strike” sounds.

Much like his penchant for regime change, Trump, like his predecessors, also believes in nanny-stating the rest of the world. Support and coziness with terror groups, like ISIS or Hamas? Only allowed when Israel and the US do it. Trump and Bibi – and past US administrations – bedhop with the best of them, and they are jealous bitches. Color revolutions, hand-picking and grooming another country’s leadership, pushing the political and electoral scales with money, media and hubris are part and parcel of post-Constitutional America. Thus, even though the US fostered and sheltered ISIS for decades, and Bibi made his career creating and funding Hamas, Iran mustn’t.. . . "

 

[TNHarley]

in the event that a president abuses his authority, if it is ever actually as bad as what you seem to think it is.

Like going to war when congress, who has explicit power over it, never legislated is a HUGE abuse of power.
Its just that nobody actually cares. They never do. When its their side, of course.
People care more about their tribe, than anything.

 

[MisterBeale]

 

[Chuz Life]

Like going to war when congress, who has explicit power over it, never legislated is a HUGE abuse of power.
Its just that nobody actually cares. They never do. When its their side, of course.
People care more about their tribe, than anything.

The ******* Dimz want Trump's head on a pike at any cost. . .

If there was a firm case for impeaching Trump for this military decision and action . . . what's keeping them from impeaching him?

 

[berg80]

That was the last time Congress wrote a declaration of war. NINETEEN FOURTY TWO.
How many wars have we been involved with since? You people only ***** about "mUh cOnGrEsS" when its the "other side" doing the crap.
You are all so disingenuous it is nauseating.

The Last Formal Declaration of War - JSTOR Daily

The last time Congress formally declared war was in World War II.

daily.jstor.org

Delegation of powers is not in the constitution. Anywhere. Jefferson spoke of it, but he was also referring to non legislative power. Guess what declarations of war is?
You guys don't really care about the constitution. At all.
Real liberalism is dead.
Real conservatism is dead.
Neoconservatism is alive and well.

Past constitutional violations don't justify this one. Johnson illegally hid behind the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution to wage war in Vietnam. That shouldn't have been allowed to happen. He went on to say he would have waged war even if Congress hadn't passed the GoTR.

Part of Congress's reluctance to reassert its authority is the tricky politics of military conflict. The country wanted revenge after 9/11 so Bush took action on false pretenses. Just as Generalissimo trump has.

 

[TNHarley]

Past constitutional violations don't justify this one.

Im not trying to justify anything.
But the outrage is disingenuous. He has been doing what EVERY other president has been doing for almost 80 years.
Its ridiculous.
NONE of this should have been happening.
But you guys only care when its the other side. So nothing ever gets done about it.

 

[berg80]

Im not trying to justify anything.
But the outrage is disingenuous. He has been doing what EVERY other president has been doing for almost 80 years.
Its ridiculous.
NONE of this should have been happening.
But you guys only care when its the other side. So nothing ever gets done about it.

The outrage is justified whether it's hypocritical or not.

 

[TNHarley]

The outrage is justified whether it's hypocritical or not.

Not from people like you.

 

[Chuz Life]

Im not trying to justify anything.
But the outrage is disingenuous. He has been doing what EVERY other president has been doing for almost 80 years.
Its ridiculous.
NONE of this should have been happening.
But you guys only care when its the other side. So nothing ever gets done about it.

I have a feeling that if we had the strict adherence to (your point), a more strict interpretation of the words in the Constitution, in today's political climate, needless lives could be lost as a result.

 

[MisterBeale]

President Truman: 'Limit CIA role to intelligence gathering'

Independence, Missouri - I think it has become necessary to take another look at the purpose and operations of our Central Intelligence Agency - CIA. At least, I would like to submit here the original reason why I thought it necessary to organize...

www.sott.net

ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

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