16 killed in "freedom flotilla"!

[P F Tinmore]

Straight out of the Islamofascist manual.

Yes, I am biased. I am always biased in favor of freedom, democracy and truth. I always choose freedom over lying religous murdering thugs. Anything else?

Not if I am only going to get a BS answer.

BTW, since you like democracy, what do you think about the US funded coup against the elected government in Palestine?

I could not care less about it. Israel and the USA will do what they have to do to ensure the safety of their people.

Germany elected Hitler and the Nazis also. Would you support Hitler and the Nazis if they were in power today?

I'll save you some time. I do not care and milions of other Americans who support Israel do not care. You can post and post every day about how mean and nasty and unfair Israel is and how the poor poor victims in Gaza are suffering and on and on and on until whenever. It doesn't matter. Either put down your weapons or die.

You said that you were biased toward democracy, but now you say you don't care about it.

Do you always flop around like that?

 

[Nik]

Tell us all about the law. You must think we're as stupid as you and your pals are. We'll obey the law when you do. Lead the way. Show me.

We'll?

Hmm. Seems some of you people who are pro-Israel identify with Israel a little bit too closely for comfort.

Well, c'mon Sparky. Show me how to obey the law and lead the way. All I can see from you is a mountain of hypocrisy.

And how exactly would you like me to show you how to obey the law?

 

[Nik]

Ohhh. So close. But you are still wrong.

As I noted earlier common law and customary law are the same thing.

Here's why:

Common Law Law & Legal Definition

Now YOU seem to think that only judges can make the common law -- or that a formal judiciary is required for there to be a common law. But that begs the question. Who makes judgments on issues of international law? On what do they BASE those decisions? Isn't PRECEDENT the basis for the determination of what is (or isn't) "customary?"

I think you'd be on sounder theoretical footing if you denied that International "Law" is actually "law."

Oh the joy of explaining the basics of the law to people who lack any background in it.

Ok. Customary law is NOT based upon judicial precedent. What judges do has NOTHING to do with customary law. As was posted, customary law must be "reflected in State Practice".

Common law is based on judicial precedent OR the judges just make it up. See the State Secrets Privilege for an example. Reynolds v. US. The judges just made it up, basically. This is NOT allowed under customary law, where the only laws that are customary law are those which states have voluntarily followed for a period of time.

Yes it is a joy to explain the law to you ignorant types. But I also enjoy when you ignorati try to educate those of us who actually grasp the law.

Customary law is the key phrase that pays. If I show you another definition of "common law" that includes "custom" there is a chance (slim in your case since you are pretty dim) that you might BEGIN to grasp how wrong you have been.

Oh, please do. Customary law does not rely solely on custom. By the way, Common Law does NOT rely on custom. It relies on judicial precedent. It is so-called "judge-made law". Customary law is law that is made via custom. No judge needs to state that customary law exists for it to in fact exist.

Oh, please, do explain to me the complexities of the law. Please explain to me what erga omnes is and the difference between that and Jus Cogens. Please explain to me why the travois preparatoires is important in international law. Please explain to me the importance of the Turtle Bay cases and the difference between the ICJ, the ICC, the ICTY, and the ICTR.

Yeah. I actually know what the fuck I am talking about here. I doubt you know half the shit I mentioned. Common law is not customary law. Anyone who takes a basic int'l law course knows that.

 

[AllieBaba]

Straight out of Israel's bull shit manual. The only thing you know about Hamas is from Israel. Don't you think there may be some bias here?

Straight out of the Islamofascist manual.

Yes, I am biased. I am always biased in favor of freedom, democracy and truth. I always choose freedom over lying religous murdering thugs. Anything else?

Not if I am only going to get a BS answer.

BTW, since you like democracy, what do you think about the US funded coup against the elected government in Palestine?

So freedom democracy, truth, freedom are all bs.

Thank you for showing your colors.

 

[Nik]

Straight out of the Islamofascist manual.

Yes, I am biased. I am always biased in favor of freedom, democracy and truth. I always choose freedom over lying religous murdering thugs. Anything else?

Not if I am only going to get a BS answer.

BTW, since you like democracy, what do you think about the US funded coup against the elected government in Palestine?

So freedom democracy, truth, freedom are all bs.

Thank you for showing your colors.

You guys don't like Democracy.

If you did, you'd accept Hamas who was elected the government.

Whats BS is the rhetoric of freedom, democracy, and truth which it means nothing at all to you guys. Its just words with no substantive meaning behind them for you. You champion Democracy (except when someone you don't like gets elected). You champion Freedom (except when its freedom FROM something), you champion Truth (well no, not really. You guys have never done that).

 

[Jack Fate]

Not if I am only going to get a BS answer.

BTW, since you like democracy, what do you think about the US funded coup against the elected government in Palestine?

I could not care less about it. Israel and the USA will do what they have to do to ensure the safety of their people.

Germany elected Hitler and the Nazis also. Would you support Hitler and the Nazis if they were in power today?

I'll save you some time. I do not care and milions of other Americans who support Israel do not care. You can post and post every day about how mean and nasty and unfair Israel is and how the poor poor victims in Gaza are suffering and on and on and on until whenever. It doesn't matter. Either put down your weapons or die.

You said that you were biased toward democracy, but now you say you don't care about it.

Do you always flop around like that?

Yes. I always support real democxracy and not religous thugs who use democracy when it suits them to carry out their agenda and then forget about it when they achieve their goal. Anything else?

 

[AllieBaba]

Not if I am only going to get a BS answer.

BTW, since you like democracy, what do you think about the US funded coup against the elected government in Palestine?

So freedom democracy, truth, freedom are all bs.

Thank you for showing your colors.

You guys don't like Democracy.

If you did, you'd accept Hamas who was elected the government.

Whats BS is the rhetoric of freedom, democracy, and truth which it means nothing at all to you guys. Its just words with no substantive meaning behind them for you. You champion Democracy (except when someone you don't like gets elected). You champion Freedom (except when its freedom FROM something), you champion Truth (well no, not really. You guys have never done that).

We champion the freedom of people from oppressive and tyrannical governments.

Like Hamas.

And blacks from slavery.

 

[Jack Fate]

We'll?

Hmm. Seems some of you people who are pro-Israel identify with Israel a little bit too closely for comfort.

Well, c'mon Sparky. Show me how to obey the law and lead the way. All I can see from you is a mountain of hypocrisy.

And how exactly would you like me to show you how to obey the law?

You want Israel to obay the law, while you ignore the atrocities by your Pals. Show me, Hypocrite.

 

[Jack Fate]

Not if I am only going to get a BS answer.

BTW, since you like democracy, what do you think about the US funded coup against the elected government in Palestine?

So freedom democracy, truth, freedom are all bs.

Thank you for showing your colors.

You guys don't like Democracy.

If you did, you'd accept Hamas who was elected the government.

Whats BS is the rhetoric of freedom, democracy, and truth which it means nothing at all to you guys. Its just words with no substantive meaning behind them for you. You champion Democracy (except when someone you don't like gets elected). You champion Freedom (except when its freedom FROM something), you champion Truth (well no, not really. You guys have never done that).

LOL. Oh, for sure. We should have accepted Hitler and the Nazis also.

YOu wouldn't know "truth" if it stared you right in the face. You're entire arguement is a lie and you're a liar. Take a bath aet a job and do something useful in this world.

 

[Nik]

So freedom democracy, truth, freedom are all bs.

Thank you for showing your colors.

You guys don't like Democracy.

If you did, you'd accept Hamas who was elected the government.

Whats BS is the rhetoric of freedom, democracy, and truth which it means nothing at all to you guys. Its just words with no substantive meaning behind them for you. You champion Democracy (except when someone you don't like gets elected). You champion Freedom (except when its freedom FROM something), you champion Truth (well no, not really. You guys have never done that).

We champion the freedom of people from oppressive and tyrannical governments.

Like Hamas.

And blacks from slavery.

Hahahahaha. Blacks from slavery? Right.

The modern day Democratic party is the Republican party of the 1860's.

Ever heard of the southern strategy?

 

[Nik]

Well, c'mon Sparky. Show me how to obey the law and lead the way. All I can see from you is a mountain of hypocrisy.

And how exactly would you like me to show you how to obey the law?

You want Israel to obay the law, while you ignore the atrocities by your Pals. Show me, Hypocrite.

I ignore the atrocities of the Palestinians? Really?

When we were talking about the atrocities of the Palestinians?

Or are you just making shit up again?

 

[AllieBaba]

Oh. My. God.

You really are a fucking idiot.

 

[Nik]

So freedom democracy, truth, freedom are all bs.

Thank you for showing your colors.

You guys don't like Democracy.

If you did, you'd accept Hamas who was elected the government.

Whats BS is the rhetoric of freedom, democracy, and truth which it means nothing at all to you guys. Its just words with no substantive meaning behind them for you. You champion Democracy (except when someone you don't like gets elected). You champion Freedom (except when its freedom FROM something), you champion Truth (well no, not really. You guys have never done that).

LOL. Oh, for sure. We should have accepted Hitler and the Nazis also.

YOu wouldn't know "truth" if it stared you right in the face. You're entire arguement is a lie and you're a liar. Take a bath aet a job and do something useful in this world.

*shrug* you can accept whatever the fuck you want, but don't claim to champion Democracy if you don't.

I am currently studying for one of the hardest tests in the country. Oh. And I have a high-paying job as well.

But go on making asinine accusations. They really enhance your credibility.

 

[Nik]

Oh. My. God.

You really are a fucking idiot.

No, I just don't need to engage in historical revisionism to make myself feel ok about the racist positions I accept.

Unlike you.

 

[Shai]

So Hamas is legitimate and elected in democratic electionand? They sent rookets to Israeli cities; they sent Suicide boomers to israel. And like all the legitimate government who want to protect her people thay using children as a shield instead of sending them to sellter when you in war.
Thats how you do it when you NOT terrorists.
Not to mention Gilad Shalit who has been held as a hostage in the Gaza Strip by Hamas since 25 June 2006 without any visitors not even the red cross exactly like the international law order

 

[Nik]

So Hamas is legitimate and elected in democratic electionand? They sent rookets to Israeli cities; they sent Suicide boomers to israel. And like all the legitimate government who want to protect her people thay using children as a shield instead of sending them to sellter when you in war.
Thats how you do it when you NOT terrorists.
Not to mention Gilad Shalit who has been held as a hostage in the Gaza Strip by Hamas since 25 June 2006 without any visitors not even the red cross exactly like the international law order

You are confusing the difference between democratically elected and whether a government acts justifiably.

Who would have thought? Being Democratically elected doesn't always lead to wonderful results. You can take that however you want, but pretending that its not Democracy just because you don't like the results is patently dishonest.

 

[CurveLight]

You guys don't like Democracy.

If you did, you'd accept Hamas who was elected the government.

Whats BS is the rhetoric of freedom, democracy, and truth which it means nothing at all to you guys. Its just words with no substantive meaning behind them for you. You champion Democracy (except when someone you don't like gets elected). You champion Freedom (except when its freedom FROM something), you champion Truth (well no, not really. You guys have never done that).

LOL. Oh, for sure. We should have accepted Hitler and the Nazis also.

YOu wouldn't know "truth" if it stared you right in the face. You're entire arguement is a lie and you're a liar. Take a bath aet a job and do something useful in this world.

*shrug* you can accept whatever the fuck you want, but don't claim to champion Democracy if you don't.

I am currently studying for one of the hardest tests in the country. Oh. And I have a high-paying job as well.

But go on making asinine accusations. They really enhance your credibility.

Jessica Simpson has a high paying job. So much for the high pay=intelligence argument.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Since Israel does not give a rat's behind about law, I will not argue that point. That point is moot. The Free Gaza movement has been advised by their legal experts that what they are doing is perfectly legal. Again, a moot point.

The court Free Gaza is working in is the court of world opinion and they seem to be doing a good job. A few years ago they were one boat and a handful of activists. Look at it now. And there are two more boats almost to Gaza now along with a couple more flotillas in the pipeline. Palestine is gaining and Israel is losing in the world of public opinion. Sooner or later the governments will follow.

Israel is taking a page out of the bush admin's legal dance. Israel declared an Armed Conflict against Gaza to justify the blockade. However, doing so also opened the door for the Geneva Convention.....but at the same time Israel wants to say they aren't "really" at War to attempt a side step....much like Gitmo detainees. Here's a good application using a different set of beligerents:
Crimes Of War Project > The Book

Israel is really trying to kill as many civilians as possible with the blockade in hopes of engendering an internal volcano then take advantage of the implosion. This is almost exactly the same....strike that. This is exactly what the US did with Iraq. We made sure the UN sanctions remained in place so the average population would suffer like a mother fucker then we unilaterally created No Fly Zones to justify bombing iraq which needlessly killed more people.

There is an "armed conflict" because every time Israel gives up land, Hamasa uses it to fire missiles into Israel. You open your mouth only to breathe and lie. As long as the people in that area keep electing and appeasing islamofascists then they will live in misery and murder. That is not Israel's fault. It is the fault of the Islamic thugs you appease and support.

What are you talking about. Israel has no land to give up?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Straight out of the Islamofascist manual.

Yes, I am biased. I am always biased in favor of freedom, democracy and truth. I always choose freedom over lying religous murdering thugs. Anything else?

Not if I am only going to get a BS answer.

BTW, since you like democracy, what do you think about the US funded coup against the elected government in Palestine?

So freedom democracy, truth, freedom are all bs.

Thank you for showing your colors.

You are the one who said he didn't care about democracy.

 

[Nik]

LOL. Oh, for sure. We should have accepted Hitler and the Nazis also.

YOu wouldn't know "truth" if it stared you right in the face. You're entire arguement is a lie and you're a liar. Take a bath aet a job and do something useful in this world.

*shrug* you can accept whatever the fuck you want, but don't claim to champion Democracy if you don't.

I am currently studying for one of the hardest tests in the country. Oh. And I have a high-paying job as well.

But go on making asinine accusations. They really enhance your credibility.

Jessica Simpson has a high paying job. So much for the high pay=intelligence argument.

Are you mentally disabled or something?

I wasn't making a high pay=intelligence correlation. You said some stupid ass shit about getting a job. I said I had a job, a well paying one.

Fuckwit. Can't you even keep track of the stupid shit you say?