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Did you know that Jews and Muslims had their own schools also?
Black schools had a much higher and better education system than the ghetto schools of today and they had parents consisting of a Father and Mother before segregation and welfare. A combination that has totally devastated the black community.
It was never a political endorsement of religion by the state.
The USA government never had one religion run by the Government. Our Government included all dominations, unlike the British and all other Europeans Countries that supported one type of Christian religion only and no other.
Separation of Church and State is not in our Constitution.
Separation of Church and State is not in our Constitution.
[T]he First Amendment's language, properly interpreted, had erected a wall of separation between Church and State.
Illinois ex rel. McCollum v. Board of Education of School District
Let's just forget about our National Anthem the Star Spangled Banner written in 1814.
That we had In God We Trust on all of our coins since 1864 and then was expanded to our paper money in 1956
That the bible was taught in our schools since before we became a nation and after we became a nation up until 1962.
The history of Christian education in America dates back to the 1700s with influence from Christian schools in England that were run by the Catholic church. Early settlers in America, which included the Quakers, Mennonites, Presbyterians, Catholics and Baptists educated their children in schools that were formed for the purposes of religious education. Over the years many Christian colleges, universities and private schools have emerged providing not just religious education, but also a diverse curriculum.
Ever since then our school system has gone down in the way our children have been educated.
The current US Department of Education was formally enacted into law in 1979 by signature of President Jimmy Carter. This was apparently a belated recognition of the already rapidly growing federalization of education.
". . . between 1967 and 1974, teacher training in the U.S. was covertly revamped through coordinated efforts of a small number of private foundations, select universities,global corporations, think tanks, and government agencies, all coordinated through the U.S. Office of Education and through key state education departments like those in California, Texas, Michigan, Pennsylvania and New York.
And black and white students were segregated in pubic schools until 1954.
Your point?
There were many practices condoned in the past that we now understand to be wrong, un-Constitutional, and in conflict with the fundamental principles of our Nation.
Prayer in public school is clearly offensive to the Constitution, its a manifestation of a political endorsement of religion by the state.
As Justice OConnor observed:
Endorsement [of religion ] sends a message to nonadherents that they are outsiders, not full members of the political community, and an accompanying message to adherents that they are insiders, favored members of the political community.
Lynch v. Donnelly
Consequently, prayer in public schools sends the message to non-Christian students that they are outsiders as well, unwelcome and unwanted in the local community; it also sends the message to Christian students that they are entitled and worthy of inclusion in the community, where exclusion of the non-Christian is justified.
Indeed, prayer in public schools was used as a political weapon to compel adherence to Christian dogma, or to at least compel non-Christians to remain the silent minority, in the shadows and fringe of society.
Prayer in schools never did any of what you said. That is the left's propaganda and was never true. Nobody that went to school in the fifties ever had any problem with prayer in schools. Those that did not believe when the prayer was said, simply stayed silent when God was mentioned. Others used the name of their God. It was never a problem until an atheist that represented less than 0.7 % of the population started complaining about it.
When a Minority rules over the Majority that's a form of tyranny.
Now we have a silent majority who are in the shadows and are the fringe of society. Run by the very loud, bullying and intolerant minority.
And black and white students were segregated in pubic schools until 1954.
Your point?
There were many practices condoned in the past that we now understand to be wrong, un-Constitutional, and in conflict with the fundamental principles of our Nation.
Prayer in public school is clearly offensive to the Constitution, it’s a manifestation of a political endorsement of religion by the state.
As Justice O’Connor observed:
Consequently, prayer in public schools sends the message to non-Christian students that they are outsiders as well, unwelcome and unwanted in the local community; it also sends the message to Christian students that they are entitled and worthy of inclusion in the community, where exclusion of the non-Christian is justified.
Indeed, prayer in public schools was used as a political weapon to compel adherence to Christian dogma, or to at least compel non-Christians to remain the silent minority, in the shadows and fringe of society.
Prayer in schools never did any of what you said. That is the left's propaganda and was never true. Nobody that went to school in the fifties ever had any problem with prayer in schools. Those that did not believe when the prayer was said, simply stayed silent when God was mentioned. Others used the name of their God. It was never a problem until an atheist that represented less than 0.7 % of the population started complaining about it.
When a Minority rules over the Majority that's a form of tyranny.
Now we have a silent majority who are in the shadows and are the fringe of society. Run by the very loud, bullying and intolerant minority.
Of course it did.
The Supreme Court struck down laws such as mandated prayer in public schools predicated on facts and evidence provided during trial and reviewed again during appeal. The facts documented the abusive nature of religion when conjoined with the state, and invalidated such laws accordingly as offensive to the Constitution, in violation of the original intent of the Framers.
Indeed, the First Amendment was specifically designed to protect citizens from the religious arrogance exhibited by a majority of Christians, during the Foundation Ear and today.
Prayer as opposed to what now that is going on in schools ? Promoting homosexuality in school now, or all of the other liberal teachings, such as we all came from apes or walked up out of the sea and etc. but Lord no we better not allow the traditional Christian prayer eh ? It would be ok if we were consistent about schools and the curriculum going on in them, but in no way are there consistencies ever in this anymore, because the social agenda for some trumps everything and everyone, yet meanwhile they affectively shut down everyone else or anything else that they feel derails them and their quest. I am for schools teaching the basics (math, English, history, literature, language, arts, workplace skills, engineering, farming and so on and so forth, while leaving the rest to the parents, but for some reason it's not being done like this, and so why is that one wonders ?Kid is an idiot.
Is that right? Why? Because he upsets your "progressive" sense of "values"???
The kid is a modern day prophet and you prove it.
Pretty sure no one is gonna call the Feds if you pray in school - and you shouldn't be praying in school, anyway.
They've outlawed guns, but FIRST the
Bible.
The anti-Christian fanatics hate freedom of expression: High School Track Team Disqualified For Religious Gesture
They've outlawed guns, but FIRST the
Bible.
Guns are illegal?
The Bible illegal?
Since when?
Prayer in schools never did any of what you said. That is the left's propaganda and was never true. Nobody that went to school in the fifties ever had any problem with prayer in schools. Those that did not believe when the prayer was said, simply stayed silent when God was mentioned. Others used the name of their God. It was never a problem until an atheist that represented less than 0.7 % of the population started complaining about it.
When a Minority rules over the Majority that's a form of tyranny.
Now we have a silent majority who are in the shadows and are the fringe of society. Run by the very loud, bullying and intolerant minority.
Of course it did.
The Supreme Court struck down laws such as mandated prayer in public schools predicated on facts and evidence provided during trial and reviewed again during appeal. The facts documented the abusive nature of religion when conjoined with the state, and invalidated such laws accordingly as offensive to the Constitution, in violation of the original intent of the Framers.
Indeed, the First Amendment was specifically designed to protect citizens from the religious arrogance exhibited by a majority of Christians, during the Foundation Ear and today.
More proof that the Federal Government should have never taken over the schools.
The idea of one size fits all has never worked.
Americans should be able to choose from many different types of schools for their children.
Whether or not they want their children in religious schools, or secular schools, home schooling, charter schools and ghetto children getting vouchers to go to any type of school that the parent chooses.
Did you read this from the link Lynch v Donnelly?
They disagreed as to the facts shown by the record and as to the proper application of the First Amendment's language to those facts.
That disagreement is still being argued over by the courts and the American people.
Whomever wrote the pledge succeeded in only exhibiting his ignorance of the Constitution.
If actually written by a 15-year-old, lets hope hes given an opportunity to learn the truth and facts.
More proof that the Federal Government should have never taken over the schools.
The idea of one size fits all has never worked.
Americans should be able to choose from many different types of schools for their children.
Whether or not they want their children in religious schools, or secular schools, home schooling, charter schools and ghetto children getting vouchers to go to any type of school that the parent chooses.
Did you read this from the link Lynch v Donnelly?
They disagreed as to the facts shown by the record and as to the proper application of the First Amendment's language to those facts.
That disagreement is still being argued over by the courts and the American people.
They've outlawed guns, but FIRST the
Bible.
Guns are illegal?
The Bible illegal?
Since when?
Well yes certain types of guns are illegal, so to answer ((yes)) guns are illegal in that sence and you know this to be true, but why if in the hands of good people should any guns be illegal, otherwise if owned by those good people & responsibly so ? Oh that's right we must all go backwards because of all the blooming idiots being promoted in this nation now ((I forgot my bad)).
Might as well say that the Bible is illegal to, and this as far as the government goes when it comes to prayer in school or where the boyscouts and girl scouts use to have their recruiting partly done in schools but no more is that allowed ( I betcha if they allow the homosexuals in, the schools would be open arms to them again, even if it goes against the very principles and morals in which they are supposed to hold) or with the most recent attempts being found in the military cemetaries and on and on it all goes, but here you are acting as if you have no knowledge of these things ? If someone gets their way about making someone or many remove something or change something and/or restricts something they have held dear unto them, and a judge backs that someone up, then it becomes illegal at that point to leave it in place, act on it, practice it or to defy the order, and if they do they will be treated badly or even arrested
1. Any student can pray in any public school in the USA. The faculty cannot lead a prayer in the schools.
2. No student or faculty can "preach" (any religion) in any public school in the USA.
3. Homosexuality is not supported in any public school in the USA. It is discussed along with heterasexual relationships and a host of other sexually related topics.
4.The two biggest subjects taught in schools today are:
1. teamwork
2. conflict resolution.
This country has never been a "Christian Nation" as proved by the "Treaty of Tripoly" in the lat 1700s
1. Any student can pray in any public school in the USA. The faculty cannot lead a prayer in the schools.
2. No student or faculty can "preach" (any religion) in any public school in the USA.
3. Homosexuality is not supported in any public school in the USA. It is discussed along with heterasexual relationships and a host of other sexually related topics.
4.The two biggest subjects taught in schools today are:
1. teamwork
2. conflict resolution.
This country has never been a "Christian Nation" as proved by the "Treaty of Tripoly" in the lat 1700s
So, basically, your "argument" is that a treaty between the US and the muslim pirates of the African Coast is your "proof". You folks get better each day....
While I absolutely agree that the United States WAS NOT founded as a "Christian" nation, it WAS founded on Judeo-Christian principles. My God man, have you never read the founding documents?
1. Any student can pray in any public school in the USA. The faculty cannot lead a prayer in the schools.
2. No student or faculty can "preach" (any religion) in any public school in the USA.
3. Homosexuality is not supported in any public school in the USA. It is discussed along with heterasexual relationships and a host of other sexually related topics.
4.The two biggest subjects taught in schools today are:
1. teamwork
2. conflict resolution.
This country has never been a "Christian Nation" as proved by the "Treaty of Tripoly" in the lat 1700s
So, basically, your "argument" is that a treaty between the US and the muslim pirates of the African Coast is your "proof". You folks get better each day....
While I absolutely agree that the United States WAS NOT founded as a "Christian" nation, it WAS founded on Judeo-Christian principles. My God man, have you never read the founding documents?
The question now becomes what were these "Judeo-Christian principles" and can people have these principles without belonging to a religion or do they have a patent on morels?
Kid is an idiot.
Is that right? Why? Because he upsets your "progressive" sense of "values"???
The kid is a modern day prophet and you prove it.
Pretty sure no one is gonna call the Feds if you pray in school - and you shouldn't be praying in school, anyway.
The Thanksgiving holiday was established in 1863 by President Lincoln - not Washington as he died in 1753.
You are very selective in where you begin and end your quotes on top of the error in dates. George Washington was a Mason, Thomas Jefferson was a Deist and Lincoln was never a member of any church. He was considered a deist but never actually said what his beliefs were. Does that sound like the founders of a Christian nation?
