Well even if you lived in Michigan, $100,000 with two kids is not a lot of money. Now consider most families of four make less than me.I live in Brookline and "income" doesn't take into account stocks, RE value, and retirees.Medium household income in Boston is $71,000. Medium income in Oakland county, mi is $80,000. So isn’t that probably a lot of two earner households only making $71,000?I have told you 10x. Don't play coy and it says so in my bio. Too. You're such an asshole. Do you have dementia? We have conversed multiple times.Not buying trumps con game same way I didn’t buy Reagan’s. I see the con.This is not the Bush Republican party nor is it the Clinton one. Duh.If the parties policies hurt your pocket book, you don’t vote based on wedge issues.Ha! I was just telling a guy name unkotare how they use gay to con poor and middle class Americans into voting republican. Without these wedge issues like guns, racism, abortion these people would have no business voting republican. Republicans are not pro labor. Period.I vote Republican because Democrats tell me that men may identity as womenWhy should people who make $60k and have $100,000 in student loan debt vote republican? You probably like that th3 ceo makes 300x what they make right?If I only made $100k per yr I would be depressed.Honestly I grew up in the 70s and 80s in metro Detroit. Back then a guy could graduate high school and go find a job that would support a family of 5. One income. One bread winner.We don’t have to be worse than Europe. Maybe we’re still better but not as much as we were before Reagan bush and trump.Then don’t expect America to be great again. Not if you are middle class. The middle class is struggling big time. Compared to our parents most of you are lower middle class actually.Hey, if you want to live or do business in ny you have to pay. Otherwise go to Alabama. Use their ports and tear up their roads.It is way too expensive to live in nyc. People who worked in nyc but now work from home have moved to places where their salaries go a lot further.Has the mayor figured out how to blame Trump yet ?
The number of empty rental apartments in Manhattan nearly tripled compared with last year, as more New Yorkers fled the city and prices declined.
There were more than 15,000 empty rental apartments in Manhattan in August, up from 5,600 a year ago, according to a report from Douglas Elliman and Miller Samuel. The inventory of empty units is the largest ever recorded since data started being collected 14 years ago, the report said.
Manhattan rental market plunges, leaving 15,000 empty apartments in August
Hopes for a rebound in the fall or the end of 2020 look increasingly unlikely. Although rental prices have come down, the discounts are not steep enough yet to lure new renters back to the city.www.cnbc.com
Shuli on the Howard stern show moved to Alabama. With what he makes he’s rich in Alabama. If you can work from home why live in a city where $100,000 a year is not a lot?
And whose fault is that?
You jack up taxes, jack up regulations, jack up housing policy, jack up the police so that crime is everywhere, which increases costs on the city.... and then you say "It's too expensive to live there" as if that just fell out of the sky randomly.
No it didn't. Bad policies caused this.
And by the way, they could have had thousands of well paying jobs in NYC when Amazon built an HQ there, but AOC drove them out. Brilliant.
Well that's kind of my point. They are not, and they leaving.
People are leaving NYC. That's the point. This is true everywhere.
When France implemented their wealth tax... they said the same thing. "Hey, if you want to live and do business in France, you have to pay!"
and you know what happened????
Wealth tax is forcing 12,000 millionaires PER YEAR out of France
Edouard Philippe defended President Emmanuel Macrons' new tax break for the wealthiest, saying it is needed stem the increasing flow of the richest leaving France.www.dailymail.co.uk
They left! They were packing up their wealthy, their businesses, and their families, and leaving.
Famously in Jamaica, when PM Manly passed all his socialist crap.... he said openly "There are six flights a day to Miami"... and people started taking the flights to Miami. They left.
You can't hurt the rich. Only yourself. It was poor people of Jamaica that end up dealing with the joblessness and high crime.
The rich left.
Same in NYC. The rich are leaving. The poor are stuck jobless, and victimized by the criminals.
So, yes.... they will leave.
The middle class is getting smaller. If you are securly in the middle class and doing well and you’re ok with a 20% cut to your social security, vote republican.
If you are going to need your social security, you’re a fool being a republican.
I actually don't believe that America was ever not great. At least thus far. America has never ceased being great.
The only people who think that America has declined, are the fools who have never lived, or been elsewhere, or know people who live elsewhere.
I do. I've been to Europe. I know people who live in Europe right now. And if you think America is not better than Europe, or the rest of the world, you are crazy. You don't know what you are talking about.
People in Europe live lower standards of living, universally. Smaller houses, smaller cars, smaller appliances, less spending money, less entertainment.
There is no possible way to measure the standards of living in the rest of the world, and compare to the US, and not have the US be better.
Why do think we have millions of people trying to get into this country? It's one of the most baffling aspects of Left-wing contradictions, that you want open borders to let people freely come into the country, and at the same time claim the country is declining and everything is terrible, and America is racists and evil.
Those are mutually exclusive positions. People don't risk their lives, to get into places that are terrible.
The middle class is struggling big time. Compared to our parents most of you are lower middle class actually.
No, I don't buy that. You show me one person who walked the exact same path as their parents, and is worse off.
I'm not making the same money as my parents, but that's because I am not in the same career as my parents.
I have relatives, where their parents were wielders. Their son, became a wielder too. Their son is make more money than his parents did, when they were his age.
I know engineers, and they make more money in engineering than their parents who were engineers.
And as far as the standard of living.... no you are still crazy.
My standard of living today, is better than my parents when they were my age. By quite a bit too.
My house is bigger, than the house they had at my age. I have had central air conditioning since I was in college, in 1999. My parents didn't have air conditioning until they were in their late 50s. Microwaves, internet, computers, instapots. My parents didn't have cable TV until they were in their late 50s, and in fact, didn't even own a TV until they were in their late 40s.
I've had all of that, and smart phones, and GPS driving directions, and on and on and on.
We today, are miles and miles beyond where are parents were at the same age. You are crazy if you think otherwise. Absolutely crazy.
The poorest WORKING people today, have a higher standard of living, than the middle class of the 1970s. By a MASSIVE margin.
Now if you are living off welfare and unemployment, and not working consistently full time, then yeah, they are falling way behind, and need to get off their butts, and work for what they want.
But the poorest working people putting in full days work every day.... no they are way beyond where the middle class was in the 1970s, or even 1980s.
The middle class is getting smaller. If you are securly in the middle class and doing well and you’re ok with a 20% cut to your social security, vote republican.
If you are going to need your social security, you’re a fool being a republican.
Social Security was going broke before Trump was even running for office.
You are fool if your retirement plan is to depend on Social Security.
Before any of this Covid nonsense happened, SS was going broke. Before Trump was ever elected, SS paid out so little, that you were basically going to live in poverty until you die, if Social Security was your retirement plan.
Anyone who plans to retire on Social Security is an idiot. You need to be saving for your own retirement out of your own income, like everyone else should be doing.
Social Security is the most poverty creating program in US history. Don't be stupid. Save for retirement.
And when I say we’re not better than we were before I mean the middle class. The rich are doing great.
Half of me is working class and half is investor class. As a worker I disagree with you. As an investor I partially agree with you. And when I agree I certainly don’t agree on your suggested remedies.
Again, factually speaking, we are way better off after the 1980s, than before.
If you telling me that the working class, TODAY.... is worse off, than the working class of the 1970s.... or before.... you are crazy. You are factually incorrect sir.
We are way way way better off than the people in the 1970s or before.
The middle class TODAY... is better off than the middle class of the 1970s.
And yes, investors are better off too. You know who is an investor? Likely.... 70% of the population?
55% of people have investments in the stock market.
65% have property investments.
15% have pensions, which are in fact investments, typically in the stock market.
And there are millions with annuities, and those are typically invested in stocks too.
And by the way, there is a connection between investment and labor. Most jobs wouldn't exist without investment.
So while someone might claim "The investor class is doing well, but the working class is not".... really? Because without the investments, hundreds of millions of jobs wouldn't exist, and those workers would be far worse off.
Today to do as well you have to go to college and how much does that cost? So blue collar are not better off today and back in my day college was $5000 a year. I worked in the summer and saved most of my tuition. Maybe my dad had to chip in $1000 a year so I didn’t need student loans.
And honestly, for years I had a college degree but wasn’t doing as well as my dad did. I am now but that is common now especially for millennials. First generation who won’t do better than their parents.
I may make more than my dad ever did but am I better off? Fuck no. My dad has great retirement benefits through ford. And a pension. He took the buy out.
Oh yea and me. I make $100k a year give or take now. Have for the past 5 years. I’m 49. So let’s say I’ve got to at least work till I’m 62 to collect social security and Medicare. If they let me retire with those things at 62 I will I don’t care how much I lose for retiring early.
BUT. If I would have went to work at ford when I graduated highschool at 17, I’d already be getting a 30 year pension 2 years ago. At the age of 47. So even though I’m balling and have no debt, I’m still going to have to work 15 more years than if I would have just taken that union job at ford.
plus i wouldn’t have spent that $20,000 on a bachelors degree.
But you, if you really make more than me, you should vote republican. But if you don’t you shouldn’t.
Arent you that fat foreign guy? Maybe I’m confusing you with someone else?
That's a dumb statement. That's like saying "Without all the clear cut reasons to vote Republican.... people wouldn't vote Republican.
Yeah... so?
Americans made this mistake in 2000. They didn’t realize how much worse republicans are to the middle class but they found out in the 2000s. They took Bill Clinton and al gore for granted and thought how bad could bush possibly be? Things were going so great. How could he fuck it up?
Sent all our best blue collar jobs overseas. Our most important jobs. Manufacturing jobs.
They convinced you Walmart and China were great. You loved the cheap shit.
And they convinced you that illegals were only doing jobs Americans won’t do. And again, do you want to pay more to get your grass cut?
Republicans fucked the middle class in the 2000s and I’m not buying trump even though he’s very clever
You never told me what state you live in. One more time
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Brookline, MA | Data USA
In 2017, Brookline, MA had a population of 59.2k people with a median age of 34.1 and a median household income of $111,289. Between 2016 and 2017 the population of Brookline, MA grew from 59,180 to 59,246, a 0.112% increase and its median household income grew from $102,175 to $111,289, a 8.92%...datausa.io
15,000 empty apartments in Manhattan.
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Facts don't care about your feelings.Yea yea yea. A little. And some of it was because of his tax breaks but some not. Not buying it. You sure are thoughNope. Rages rose for the first time under Trump. Wrong again. I said if I made what you made, I'd be depressed. If I didn't have a family, I'd be driving a Ferrari. They should want to be like me or even better. Starting your own business is super easy in America if you have a skill set and an idea.More jobs but lower paying.Not true at all. Fewer regulations equates to more business openings and expansion and more jobs. Trump brought jobs back and halted corporate inversions.Republicans are against paying labor more too. Driving wages down. How? By sending jobs overseas and hiring illegal workersUnions are stupid. Republicans are for lower taxes and fewer regulations. You’re uneducated by your own admission so please stop trying to sound smart.Because republicans are against employees unionizing. Their way brought wages down.How so?Ha! I was just telling a guy name unkotare how they use gay to con poor and middle class Americans into voting republican. Without these wedge issues like guns, racism, abortion these people would have no business voting republican. Republicans are not pro labor. Period.I vote Republican because Democrats tell me that men may identity as womenWhy should people who make $60k and have $100,000 in student loan debt vote republican? You probably like that th3 ceo makes 300x what they make right?If I only made $100k per yr I would be depressed.Honestly I grew up in the 70s and 80s in metro Detroit. Back then a guy could graduate high school and go find a job that would support a family of 5. One income. One bread winner.We don’t have to be worse than Europe. Maybe we’re still better but not as much as we were before Reagan bush and trump.Then don’t expect America to be great again. Not if you are middle class. The middle class is struggling big time. Compared to our parents most of you are lower middle class actually.Hey, if you want to live or do business in ny you have to pay. Otherwise go to Alabama. Use their ports and tear up their roads.It is way too expensive to live in nyc. People who worked in nyc but now work from home have moved to places where their salaries go a lot further.Has the mayor figured out how to blame Trump yet ?
The number of empty rental apartments in Manhattan nearly tripled compared with last year, as more New Yorkers fled the city and prices declined.
There were more than 15,000 empty rental apartments in Manhattan in August, up from 5,600 a year ago, according to a report from Douglas Elliman and Miller Samuel. The inventory of empty units is the largest ever recorded since data started being collected 14 years ago, the report said.
Manhattan rental market plunges, leaving 15,000 empty apartments in August
Hopes for a rebound in the fall or the end of 2020 look increasingly unlikely. Although rental prices have come down, the discounts are not steep enough yet to lure new renters back to the city.
Shuli on the Howard stern show moved to Alabama. With what he makes he’s rich in Alabama. If you can work from home why live in a city where $100,000 a year is not a lot?
And whose fault is that?
You jack up taxes, jack up regulations, jack up housing policy, jack up the police so that crime is everywhere, which increases costs on the city.... and then you say "It's too expensive to live there" as if that just fell out of the sky randomly.
No it didn't. Bad policies caused this.
And by the way, they could have had thousands of well paying jobs in NYC when Amazon built an HQ there, but AOC drove them out. Brilliant.
Well that's kind of my point. They are not, and they leaving.
People are leaving NYC. That's the point. This is true everywhere.
When France implemented their wealth tax... they said the same thing. "Hey, if you want to live and do business in France, you have to pay!"
and you know what happened????
Wealth tax is forcing 12,000 millionaires PER YEAR out of France
Edouard Philippe defended President Emmanuel Macrons' new tax break for the wealthiest, saying it is needed stem the increasing flow of the richest leaving France.
They left! They were packing up their wealthy, their businesses, and their families, and leaving.
Famously in Jamaica, when PM Manly passed all his socialist crap.... he said openly "There are six flights a day to Miami"... and people started taking the flights to Miami. They left.
You can't hurt the rich. Only yourself. It was poor people of Jamaica that end up dealing with the joblessness and high crime.
The rich left.
Same in NYC. The rich are leaving. The poor are stuck jobless, and victimized by the criminals.
So, yes.... they will leave.
The middle class is getting smaller. If you are securly in the middle class and doing well and you’re ok with a 20% cut to your social security, vote republican.
If you are going to need your social security, you’re a fool being a republican.
I actually don't believe that America was ever not great. At least thus far. America has never ceased being great.
The only people who think that America has declined, are the fools who have never lived, or been elsewhere, or know people who live elsewhere.
I do. I've been to Europe. I know people who live in Europe right now. And if you think America is not better than Europe, or the rest of the world, you are crazy. You don't know what you are talking about.
People in Europe live lower standards of living, universally. Smaller houses, smaller cars, smaller appliances, less spending money, less entertainment.
There is no possible way to measure the standards of living in the rest of the world, and compare to the US, and not have the US be better.
Why do think we have millions of people trying to get into this country? It's one of the most baffling aspects of Left-wing contradictions, that you want open borders to let people freely come into the country, and at the same time claim the country is declining and everything is terrible, and America is racists and evil.
Those are mutually exclusive positions. People don't risk their lives, to get into places that are terrible.
The middle class is struggling big time. Compared to our parents most of you are lower middle class actually.
No, I don't buy that. You show me one person who walked the exact same path as their parents, and is worse off.
I'm not making the same money as my parents, but that's because I am not in the same career as my parents.
I have relatives, where their parents were wielders. Their son, became a wielder too. Their son is make more money than his parents did, when they were his age.
I know engineers, and they make more money in engineering than their parents who were engineers.
And as far as the standard of living.... no you are still crazy.
My standard of living today, is better than my parents when they were my age. By quite a bit too.
My house is bigger, than the house they had at my age. I have had central air conditioning since I was in college, in 1999. My parents didn't have air conditioning until they were in their late 50s. Microwaves, internet, computers, instapots. My parents didn't have cable TV until they were in their late 50s, and in fact, didn't even own a TV until they were in their late 40s.
I've had all of that, and smart phones, and GPS driving directions, and on and on and on.
We today, are miles and miles beyond where are parents were at the same age. You are crazy if you think otherwise. Absolutely crazy.
The poorest WORKING people today, have a higher standard of living, than the middle class of the 1970s. By a MASSIVE margin.
Now if you are living off welfare and unemployment, and not working consistently full time, then yeah, they are falling way behind, and need to get off their butts, and work for what they want.
But the poorest working people putting in full days work every day.... no they are way beyond where the middle class was in the 1970s, or even 1980s.
The middle class is getting smaller. If you are securly in the middle class and doing well and you’re ok with a 20% cut to your social security, vote republican.
If you are going to need your social security, you’re a fool being a republican.
Social Security was going broke before Trump was even running for office.
You are fool if your retirement plan is to depend on Social Security.
Before any of this Covid nonsense happened, SS was going broke. Before Trump was ever elected, SS paid out so little, that you were basically going to live in poverty until you die, if Social Security was your retirement plan.
Anyone who plans to retire on Social Security is an idiot. You need to be saving for your own retirement out of your own income, like everyone else should be doing.
Social Security is the most poverty creating program in US history. Don't be stupid. Save for retirement.
And when I say we’re not better than we were before I mean the middle class. The rich are doing great.
Half of me is working class and half is investor class. As a worker I disagree with you. As an investor I partially agree with you. And when I agree I certainly don’t agree on your suggested remedies.
Again, factually speaking, we are way better off after the 1980s, than before.
If you telling me that the working class, TODAY.... is worse off, than the working class of the 1970s.... or before.... you are crazy. You are factually incorrect sir.
We are way way way better off than the people in the 1970s or before.
The middle class TODAY... is better off than the middle class of the 1970s.
And yes, investors are better off too. You know who is an investor? Likely.... 70% of the population?
55% of people have investments in the stock market.
65% have property investments.
15% have pensions, which are in fact investments, typically in the stock market.
And there are millions with annuities, and those are typically invested in stocks too.
And by the way, there is a connection between investment and labor. Most jobs wouldn't exist without investment.
So while someone might claim "The investor class is doing well, but the working class is not".... really? Because without the investments, hundreds of millions of jobs wouldn't exist, and those workers would be far worse off.
Today to do as well you have to go to college and how much does that cost? So blue collar are not better off today and back in my day college was $5000 a year. I worked in the summer and saved most of my tuition. Maybe my dad had to chip in $1000 a year so I didn’t need student loans.
And honestly, for years I had a college degree but wasn’t doing as well as my dad did. I am now but that is common now especially for millennials. First generation who won’t do better than their parents.
I may make more than my dad ever did but am I better off? Fuck no. My dad has great retirement benefits through ford. And a pension. He took the buy out.
Oh yea and me. I make $100k a year give or take now. Have for the past 5 years. I’m 49. So let’s say I’ve got to at least work till I’m 62 to collect social security and Medicare. If they let me retire with those things at 62 I will I don’t care how much I lose for retiring early.
BUT. If I would have went to work at ford when I graduated highschool at 17, I’d already be getting a 30 year pension 2 years ago. At the age of 47. So even though I’m balling and have no debt, I’m still going to have to work 15 more years than if I would have just taken that union job at ford.
plus i wouldn’t have spent that $20,000 on a bachelors degree.
But you, if you really make more than me, you should vote republican. But if you don’t you shouldn’t.
Arent you that fat foreign guy? Maybe I’m confusing you with someone else?
Because republicans won’t go after illegal employers. So they arent really trying to kick illegals out. A wall. Ha!
Because trumps fixes to nafta and trade with ch8na did nothing to help labor. And only american companies a little. Only enough for trump to claim a victory.
Youre being conned
But I’m not so against lower wages anymore. As long as it’s not my wages. You and I make more than the average american with two kids. I’m not worrying about them anymore
but remember you admitted that if you made what they all make, your be depressed. So why should they vote like you vote when you’re for lower wages for them?
They don't make less than you. LOL.Well even if you lived in Michigan, $100,000 with two kids is not a lot of money. Now consider most families of four make less than me.I live in Brookline and "income" doesn't take into account stocks, RE value, and retirees.Medium household income in Boston is $71,000. Medium income in Oakland county, mi is $80,000. So isn’t that probably a lot of two earner households only making $71,000?I have told you 10x. Don't play coy and it says so in my bio. Too. You're such an asshole. Do you have dementia? We have conversed multiple times.Not buying trumps con game same way I didn’t buy Reagan’s. I see the con.This is not the Bush Republican party nor is it the Clinton one. Duh.If the parties policies hurt your pocket book, you don’t vote based on wedge issues.Ha! I was just telling a guy name unkotare how they use gay to con poor and middle class Americans into voting republican. Without these wedge issues like guns, racism, abortion these people would have no business voting republican. Republicans are not pro labor. Period.I vote Republican because Democrats tell me that men may identity as womenWhy should people who make $60k and have $100,000 in student loan debt vote republican? You probably like that th3 ceo makes 300x what they make right?If I only made $100k per yr I would be depressed.Honestly I grew up in the 70s and 80s in metro Detroit. Back then a guy could graduate high school and go find a job that would support a family of 5. One income. One bread winner.We don’t have to be worse than Europe. Maybe we’re still better but not as much as we were before Reagan bush and trump.Then don’t expect America to be great again. Not if you are middle class. The middle class is struggling big time. Compared to our parents most of you are lower middle class actually.Hey, if you want to live or do business in ny you have to pay. Otherwise go to Alabama. Use their ports and tear up their roads.It is way too expensive to live in nyc. People who worked in nyc but now work from home have moved to places where their salaries go a lot further.Has the mayor figured out how to blame Trump yet ?
The number of empty rental apartments in Manhattan nearly tripled compared with last year, as more New Yorkers fled the city and prices declined.
There were more than 15,000 empty rental apartments in Manhattan in August, up from 5,600 a year ago, according to a report from Douglas Elliman and Miller Samuel. The inventory of empty units is the largest ever recorded since data started being collected 14 years ago, the report said.
Manhattan rental market plunges, leaving 15,000 empty apartments in August
Hopes for a rebound in the fall or the end of 2020 look increasingly unlikely. Although rental prices have come down, the discounts are not steep enough yet to lure new renters back to the city.
Shuli on the Howard stern show moved to Alabama. With what he makes he’s rich in Alabama. If you can work from home why live in a city where $100,000 a year is not a lot?
And whose fault is that?
You jack up taxes, jack up regulations, jack up housing policy, jack up the police so that crime is everywhere, which increases costs on the city.... and then you say "It's too expensive to live there" as if that just fell out of the sky randomly.
No it didn't. Bad policies caused this.
And by the way, they could have had thousands of well paying jobs in NYC when Amazon built an HQ there, but AOC drove them out. Brilliant.
Well that's kind of my point. They are not, and they leaving.
People are leaving NYC. That's the point. This is true everywhere.
When France implemented their wealth tax... they said the same thing. "Hey, if you want to live and do business in France, you have to pay!"
and you know what happened????
Wealth tax is forcing 12,000 millionaires PER YEAR out of France
Edouard Philippe defended President Emmanuel Macrons' new tax break for the wealthiest, saying it is needed stem the increasing flow of the richest leaving France.
They left! They were packing up their wealthy, their businesses, and their families, and leaving.
Famously in Jamaica, when PM Manly passed all his socialist crap.... he said openly "There are six flights a day to Miami"... and people started taking the flights to Miami. They left.
You can't hurt the rich. Only yourself. It was poor people of Jamaica that end up dealing with the joblessness and high crime.
The rich left.
Same in NYC. The rich are leaving. The poor are stuck jobless, and victimized by the criminals.
So, yes.... they will leave.
The middle class is getting smaller. If you are securly in the middle class and doing well and you’re ok with a 20% cut to your social security, vote republican.
If you are going to need your social security, you’re a fool being a republican.
I actually don't believe that America was ever not great. At least thus far. America has never ceased being great.
The only people who think that America has declined, are the fools who have never lived, or been elsewhere, or know people who live elsewhere.
I do. I've been to Europe. I know people who live in Europe right now. And if you think America is not better than Europe, or the rest of the world, you are crazy. You don't know what you are talking about.
People in Europe live lower standards of living, universally. Smaller houses, smaller cars, smaller appliances, less spending money, less entertainment.
There is no possible way to measure the standards of living in the rest of the world, and compare to the US, and not have the US be better.
Why do think we have millions of people trying to get into this country? It's one of the most baffling aspects of Left-wing contradictions, that you want open borders to let people freely come into the country, and at the same time claim the country is declining and everything is terrible, and America is racists and evil.
Those are mutually exclusive positions. People don't risk their lives, to get into places that are terrible.
The middle class is struggling big time. Compared to our parents most of you are lower middle class actually.
No, I don't buy that. You show me one person who walked the exact same path as their parents, and is worse off.
I'm not making the same money as my parents, but that's because I am not in the same career as my parents.
I have relatives, where their parents were wielders. Their son, became a wielder too. Their son is make more money than his parents did, when they were his age.
I know engineers, and they make more money in engineering than their parents who were engineers.
And as far as the standard of living.... no you are still crazy.
My standard of living today, is better than my parents when they were my age. By quite a bit too.
My house is bigger, than the house they had at my age. I have had central air conditioning since I was in college, in 1999. My parents didn't have air conditioning until they were in their late 50s. Microwaves, internet, computers, instapots. My parents didn't have cable TV until they were in their late 50s, and in fact, didn't even own a TV until they were in their late 40s.
I've had all of that, and smart phones, and GPS driving directions, and on and on and on.
We today, are miles and miles beyond where are parents were at the same age. You are crazy if you think otherwise. Absolutely crazy.
The poorest WORKING people today, have a higher standard of living, than the middle class of the 1970s. By a MASSIVE margin.
Now if you are living off welfare and unemployment, and not working consistently full time, then yeah, they are falling way behind, and need to get off their butts, and work for what they want.
But the poorest working people putting in full days work every day.... no they are way beyond where the middle class was in the 1970s, or even 1980s.
The middle class is getting smaller. If you are securly in the middle class and doing well and you’re ok with a 20% cut to your social security, vote republican.
If you are going to need your social security, you’re a fool being a republican.
Social Security was going broke before Trump was even running for office.
You are fool if your retirement plan is to depend on Social Security.
Before any of this Covid nonsense happened, SS was going broke. Before Trump was ever elected, SS paid out so little, that you were basically going to live in poverty until you die, if Social Security was your retirement plan.
Anyone who plans to retire on Social Security is an idiot. You need to be saving for your own retirement out of your own income, like everyone else should be doing.
Social Security is the most poverty creating program in US history. Don't be stupid. Save for retirement.
And when I say we’re not better than we were before I mean the middle class. The rich are doing great.
Half of me is working class and half is investor class. As a worker I disagree with you. As an investor I partially agree with you. And when I agree I certainly don’t agree on your suggested remedies.
Again, factually speaking, we are way better off after the 1980s, than before.
If you telling me that the working class, TODAY.... is worse off, than the working class of the 1970s.... or before.... you are crazy. You are factually incorrect sir.
We are way way way better off than the people in the 1970s or before.
The middle class TODAY... is better off than the middle class of the 1970s.
And yes, investors are better off too. You know who is an investor? Likely.... 70% of the population?
55% of people have investments in the stock market.
65% have property investments.
15% have pensions, which are in fact investments, typically in the stock market.
And there are millions with annuities, and those are typically invested in stocks too.
And by the way, there is a connection between investment and labor. Most jobs wouldn't exist without investment.
So while someone might claim "The investor class is doing well, but the working class is not".... really? Because without the investments, hundreds of millions of jobs wouldn't exist, and those workers would be far worse off.
Today to do as well you have to go to college and how much does that cost? So blue collar are not better off today and back in my day college was $5000 a year. I worked in the summer and saved most of my tuition. Maybe my dad had to chip in $1000 a year so I didn’t need student loans.
And honestly, for years I had a college degree but wasn’t doing as well as my dad did. I am now but that is common now especially for millennials. First generation who won’t do better than their parents.
I may make more than my dad ever did but am I better off? Fuck no. My dad has great retirement benefits through ford. And a pension. He took the buy out.
Oh yea and me. I make $100k a year give or take now. Have for the past 5 years. I’m 49. So let’s say I’ve got to at least work till I’m 62 to collect social security and Medicare. If they let me retire with those things at 62 I will I don’t care how much I lose for retiring early.
BUT. If I would have went to work at ford when I graduated highschool at 17, I’d already be getting a 30 year pension 2 years ago. At the age of 47. So even though I’m balling and have no debt, I’m still going to have to work 15 more years than if I would have just taken that union job at ford.
plus i wouldn’t have spent that $20,000 on a bachelors degree.
But you, if you really make more than me, you should vote republican. But if you don’t you shouldn’t.
Arent you that fat foreign guy? Maybe I’m confusing you with someone else?
That's a dumb statement. That's like saying "Without all the clear cut reasons to vote Republican.... people wouldn't vote Republican.
Yeah... so?
Americans made this mistake in 2000. They didn’t realize how much worse republicans are to the middle class but they found out in the 2000s. They took Bill Clinton and al gore for granted and thought how bad could bush possibly be? Things were going so great. How could he fuck it up?
Sent all our best blue collar jobs overseas. Our most important jobs. Manufacturing jobs.
They convinced you Walmart and China were great. You loved the cheap shit.
And they convinced you that illegals were only doing jobs Americans won’t do. And again, do you want to pay more to get your grass cut?
Republicans fucked the middle class in the 2000s and I’m not buying trump even though he’s very clever
You never told me what state you live in. One more time
.Brookline, MA | Data USA
In 2017, Brookline, MA had a population of 59.2k people with a median age of 34.1 and a median household income of $111,289. Between 2016 and 2017 the population of Brookline, MA grew from 59,180 to 59,246, a 0.112% increase and its median household income grew from $102,175 to $111,289, a 8.92%...
Not middle class families.
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Its tempting to celebrate NYC’s troubles since they are entirely self inflicted by liberals.
But the nation needs functioning city centers for our economic health and we must take the cities back from the crazies
Is that true? Then I work with a lot of people who aren’t middle class. Wow!They don't make less than you. LOL.Well even if you lived in Michigan, $100,000 with two kids is not a lot of money. Now consider most families of four make less than me.I live in Brookline and "income" doesn't take into account stocks, RE value, and retirees.Medium household income in Boston is $71,000. Medium income in Oakland county, mi is $80,000. So isn’t that probably a lot of two earner households only making $71,000?I have told you 10x. Don't play coy and it says so in my bio. Too. You're such an asshole. Do you have dementia? We have conversed multiple times.Not buying trumps con game same way I didn’t buy Reagan’s. I see the con.This is not the Bush Republican party nor is it the Clinton one. Duh.If the parties policies hurt your pocket book, you don’t vote based on wedge issues.Ha! I was just telling a guy name unkotare how they use gay to con poor and middle class Americans into voting republican. Without these wedge issues like guns, racism, abortion these people would have no business voting republican. Republicans are not pro labor. Period.I vote Republican because Democrats tell me that men may identity as womenWhy should people who make $60k and have $100,000 in student loan debt vote republican? You probably like that th3 ceo makes 300x what they make right?If I only made $100k per yr I would be depressed.Honestly I grew up in the 70s and 80s in metro Detroit. Back then a guy could graduate high school and go find a job that would support a family of 5. One income. One bread winner.We don’t have to be worse than Europe. Maybe we’re still better but not as much as we were before Reagan bush and trump.Then don’t expect America to be great again. Not if you are middle class. The middle class is struggling big time. Compared to our parents most of you are lower middle class actually.Hey, if you want to live or do business in ny you have to pay. Otherwise go to Alabama. Use their ports and tear up their roads.It is way too expensive to live in nyc. People who worked in nyc but now work from home have moved to places where their salaries go a lot further.Has the mayor figured out how to blame Trump yet ?
The number of empty rental apartments in Manhattan nearly tripled compared with last year, as more New Yorkers fled the city and prices declined.
There were more than 15,000 empty rental apartments in Manhattan in August, up from 5,600 a year ago, according to a report from Douglas Elliman and Miller Samuel. The inventory of empty units is the largest ever recorded since data started being collected 14 years ago, the report said.
Manhattan rental market plunges, leaving 15,000 empty apartments in August
Hopes for a rebound in the fall or the end of 2020 look increasingly unlikely. Although rental prices have come down, the discounts are not steep enough yet to lure new renters back to the city.
Shuli on the Howard stern show moved to Alabama. With what he makes he’s rich in Alabama. If you can work from home why live in a city where $100,000 a year is not a lot?
And whose fault is that?
You jack up taxes, jack up regulations, jack up housing policy, jack up the police so that crime is everywhere, which increases costs on the city.... and then you say "It's too expensive to live there" as if that just fell out of the sky randomly.
No it didn't. Bad policies caused this.
And by the way, they could have had thousands of well paying jobs in NYC when Amazon built an HQ there, but AOC drove them out. Brilliant.
Well that's kind of my point. They are not, and they leaving.
People are leaving NYC. That's the point. This is true everywhere.
When France implemented their wealth tax... they said the same thing. "Hey, if you want to live and do business in France, you have to pay!"
and you know what happened????
Wealth tax is forcing 12,000 millionaires PER YEAR out of France
Edouard Philippe defended President Emmanuel Macrons' new tax break for the wealthiest, saying it is needed stem the increasing flow of the richest leaving France.
They left! They were packing up their wealthy, their businesses, and their families, and leaving.
Famously in Jamaica, when PM Manly passed all his socialist crap.... he said openly "There are six flights a day to Miami"... and people started taking the flights to Miami. They left.
You can't hurt the rich. Only yourself. It was poor people of Jamaica that end up dealing with the joblessness and high crime.
The rich left.
Same in NYC. The rich are leaving. The poor are stuck jobless, and victimized by the criminals.
So, yes.... they will leave.
The middle class is getting smaller. If you are securly in the middle class and doing well and you’re ok with a 20% cut to your social security, vote republican.
If you are going to need your social security, you’re a fool being a republican.
I actually don't believe that America was ever not great. At least thus far. America has never ceased being great.
The only people who think that America has declined, are the fools who have never lived, or been elsewhere, or know people who live elsewhere.
I do. I've been to Europe. I know people who live in Europe right now. And if you think America is not better than Europe, or the rest of the world, you are crazy. You don't know what you are talking about.
People in Europe live lower standards of living, universally. Smaller houses, smaller cars, smaller appliances, less spending money, less entertainment.
There is no possible way to measure the standards of living in the rest of the world, and compare to the US, and not have the US be better.
Why do think we have millions of people trying to get into this country? It's one of the most baffling aspects of Left-wing contradictions, that you want open borders to let people freely come into the country, and at the same time claim the country is declining and everything is terrible, and America is racists and evil.
Those are mutually exclusive positions. People don't risk their lives, to get into places that are terrible.
The middle class is struggling big time. Compared to our parents most of you are lower middle class actually.
No, I don't buy that. You show me one person who walked the exact same path as their parents, and is worse off.
I'm not making the same money as my parents, but that's because I am not in the same career as my parents.
I have relatives, where their parents were wielders. Their son, became a wielder too. Their son is make more money than his parents did, when they were his age.
I know engineers, and they make more money in engineering than their parents who were engineers.
And as far as the standard of living.... no you are still crazy.
My standard of living today, is better than my parents when they were my age. By quite a bit too.
My house is bigger, than the house they had at my age. I have had central air conditioning since I was in college, in 1999. My parents didn't have air conditioning until they were in their late 50s. Microwaves, internet, computers, instapots. My parents didn't have cable TV until they were in their late 50s, and in fact, didn't even own a TV until they were in their late 40s.
I've had all of that, and smart phones, and GPS driving directions, and on and on and on.
We today, are miles and miles beyond where are parents were at the same age. You are crazy if you think otherwise. Absolutely crazy.
The poorest WORKING people today, have a higher standard of living, than the middle class of the 1970s. By a MASSIVE margin.
Now if you are living off welfare and unemployment, and not working consistently full time, then yeah, they are falling way behind, and need to get off their butts, and work for what they want.
But the poorest working people putting in full days work every day.... no they are way beyond where the middle class was in the 1970s, or even 1980s.
The middle class is getting smaller. If you are securly in the middle class and doing well and you’re ok with a 20% cut to your social security, vote republican.
If you are going to need your social security, you’re a fool being a republican.
Social Security was going broke before Trump was even running for office.
You are fool if your retirement plan is to depend on Social Security.
Before any of this Covid nonsense happened, SS was going broke. Before Trump was ever elected, SS paid out so little, that you were basically going to live in poverty until you die, if Social Security was your retirement plan.
Anyone who plans to retire on Social Security is an idiot. You need to be saving for your own retirement out of your own income, like everyone else should be doing.
Social Security is the most poverty creating program in US history. Don't be stupid. Save for retirement.
And when I say we’re not better than we were before I mean the middle class. The rich are doing great.
Half of me is working class and half is investor class. As a worker I disagree with you. As an investor I partially agree with you. And when I agree I certainly don’t agree on your suggested remedies.
Again, factually speaking, we are way better off after the 1980s, than before.
If you telling me that the working class, TODAY.... is worse off, than the working class of the 1970s.... or before.... you are crazy. You are factually incorrect sir.
We are way way way better off than the people in the 1970s or before.
The middle class TODAY... is better off than the middle class of the 1970s.
And yes, investors are better off too. You know who is an investor? Likely.... 70% of the population?
55% of people have investments in the stock market.
65% have property investments.
15% have pensions, which are in fact investments, typically in the stock market.
And there are millions with annuities, and those are typically invested in stocks too.
And by the way, there is a connection between investment and labor. Most jobs wouldn't exist without investment.
So while someone might claim "The investor class is doing well, but the working class is not".... really? Because without the investments, hundreds of millions of jobs wouldn't exist, and those workers would be far worse off.
Today to do as well you have to go to college and how much does that cost? So blue collar are not better off today and back in my day college was $5000 a year. I worked in the summer and saved most of my tuition. Maybe my dad had to chip in $1000 a year so I didn’t need student loans.
And honestly, for years I had a college degree but wasn’t doing as well as my dad did. I am now but that is common now especially for millennials. First generation who won’t do better than their parents.
I may make more than my dad ever did but am I better off? Fuck no. My dad has great retirement benefits through ford. And a pension. He took the buy out.
Oh yea and me. I make $100k a year give or take now. Have for the past 5 years. I’m 49. So let’s say I’ve got to at least work till I’m 62 to collect social security and Medicare. If they let me retire with those things at 62 I will I don’t care how much I lose for retiring early.
BUT. If I would have went to work at ford when I graduated highschool at 17, I’d already be getting a 30 year pension 2 years ago. At the age of 47. So even though I’m balling and have no debt, I’m still going to have to work 15 more years than if I would have just taken that union job at ford.
plus i wouldn’t have spent that $20,000 on a bachelors degree.
But you, if you really make more than me, you should vote republican. But if you don’t you shouldn’t.
Arent you that fat foreign guy? Maybe I’m confusing you with someone else?
That's a dumb statement. That's like saying "Without all the clear cut reasons to vote Republican.... people wouldn't vote Republican.
Yeah... so?
Americans made this mistake in 2000. They didn’t realize how much worse republicans are to the middle class but they found out in the 2000s. They took Bill Clinton and al gore for granted and thought how bad could bush possibly be? Things were going so great. How could he fuck it up?
Sent all our best blue collar jobs overseas. Our most important jobs. Manufacturing jobs.
They convinced you Walmart and China were great. You loved the cheap shit.
And they convinced you that illegals were only doing jobs Americans won’t do. And again, do you want to pay more to get your grass cut?
Republicans fucked the middle class in the 2000s and I’m not buying trump even though he’s very clever
You never told me what state you live in. One more time
.Brookline, MA | Data USA
In 2017, Brookline, MA had a population of 59.2k people with a median age of 34.1 and a median household income of $111,289. Between 2016 and 2017 the population of Brookline, MA grew from 59,180 to 59,246, a 0.112% increase and its median household income grew from $102,175 to $111,289, a 8.92%...
Not middle class families.
That’s what you’re going to realize. The importance of these cities.
There’s a reason people do business in chicago, ny, mi and California. We have ports.
Yep....enjoy.Is that true? Then I work with a lot of people who aren’t middle class. Wow!They don't make less than you. LOL.Well even if you lived in Michigan, $100,000 with two kids is not a lot of money. Now consider most families of four make less than me.I live in Brookline and "income" doesn't take into account stocks, RE value, and retirees.Medium household income in Boston is $71,000. Medium income in Oakland county, mi is $80,000. So isn’t that probably a lot of two earner households only making $71,000?I have told you 10x. Don't play coy and it says so in my bio. Too. You're such an asshole. Do you have dementia? We have conversed multiple times.Not buying trumps con game same way I didn’t buy Reagan’s. I see the con.This is not the Bush Republican party nor is it the Clinton one. Duh.If the parties policies hurt your pocket book, you don’t vote based on wedge issues.Ha! I was just telling a guy name unkotare how they use gay to con poor and middle class Americans into voting republican. Without these wedge issues like guns, racism, abortion these people would have no business voting republican. Republicans are not pro labor. Period.I vote Republican because Democrats tell me that men may identity as womenWhy should people who make $60k and have $100,000 in student loan debt vote republican? You probably like that th3 ceo makes 300x what they make right?If I only made $100k per yr I would be depressed.Honestly I grew up in the 70s and 80s in metro Detroit. Back then a guy could graduate high school and go find a job that would support a family of 5. One income. One bread winner.We don’t have to be worse than Europe. Maybe we’re still better but not as much as we were before Reagan bush and trump.Then don’t expect America to be great again. Not if you are middle class. The middle class is struggling big time. Compared to our parents most of you are lower middle class actually.Hey, if you want to live or do business in ny you have to pay. Otherwise go to Alabama. Use their ports and tear up their roads.It is way too expensive to live in nyc. People who worked in nyc but now work from home have moved to places where their salaries go a lot further.Has the mayor figured out how to blame Trump yet ?
The number of empty rental apartments in Manhattan nearly tripled compared with last year, as more New Yorkers fled the city and prices declined.
There were more than 15,000 empty rental apartments in Manhattan in August, up from 5,600 a year ago, according to a report from Douglas Elliman and Miller Samuel. The inventory of empty units is the largest ever recorded since data started being collected 14 years ago, the report said.
Manhattan rental market plunges, leaving 15,000 empty apartments in August
Hopes for a rebound in the fall or the end of 2020 look increasingly unlikely. Although rental prices have come down, the discounts are not steep enough yet to lure new renters back to the city.
Shuli on the Howard stern show moved to Alabama. With what he makes he’s rich in Alabama. If you can work from home why live in a city where $100,000 a year is not a lot?
And whose fault is that?
You jack up taxes, jack up regulations, jack up housing policy, jack up the police so that crime is everywhere, which increases costs on the city.... and then you say "It's too expensive to live there" as if that just fell out of the sky randomly.
No it didn't. Bad policies caused this.
And by the way, they could have had thousands of well paying jobs in NYC when Amazon built an HQ there, but AOC drove them out. Brilliant.
Well that's kind of my point. They are not, and they leaving.
People are leaving NYC. That's the point. This is true everywhere.
When France implemented their wealth tax... they said the same thing. "Hey, if you want to live and do business in France, you have to pay!"
and you know what happened????
Wealth tax is forcing 12,000 millionaires PER YEAR out of France
Edouard Philippe defended President Emmanuel Macrons' new tax break for the wealthiest, saying it is needed stem the increasing flow of the richest leaving France.
They left! They were packing up their wealthy, their businesses, and their families, and leaving.
Famously in Jamaica, when PM Manly passed all his socialist crap.... he said openly "There are six flights a day to Miami"... and people started taking the flights to Miami. They left.
You can't hurt the rich. Only yourself. It was poor people of Jamaica that end up dealing with the joblessness and high crime.
The rich left.
Same in NYC. The rich are leaving. The poor are stuck jobless, and victimized by the criminals.
So, yes.... they will leave.
The middle class is getting smaller. If you are securly in the middle class and doing well and you’re ok with a 20% cut to your social security, vote republican.
If you are going to need your social security, you’re a fool being a republican.
I actually don't believe that America was ever not great. At least thus far. America has never ceased being great.
The only people who think that America has declined, are the fools who have never lived, or been elsewhere, or know people who live elsewhere.
I do. I've been to Europe. I know people who live in Europe right now. And if you think America is not better than Europe, or the rest of the world, you are crazy. You don't know what you are talking about.
People in Europe live lower standards of living, universally. Smaller houses, smaller cars, smaller appliances, less spending money, less entertainment.
There is no possible way to measure the standards of living in the rest of the world, and compare to the US, and not have the US be better.
Why do think we have millions of people trying to get into this country? It's one of the most baffling aspects of Left-wing contradictions, that you want open borders to let people freely come into the country, and at the same time claim the country is declining and everything is terrible, and America is racists and evil.
Those are mutually exclusive positions. People don't risk their lives, to get into places that are terrible.
The middle class is struggling big time. Compared to our parents most of you are lower middle class actually.
No, I don't buy that. You show me one person who walked the exact same path as their parents, and is worse off.
I'm not making the same money as my parents, but that's because I am not in the same career as my parents.
I have relatives, where their parents were wielders. Their son, became a wielder too. Their son is make more money than his parents did, when they were his age.
I know engineers, and they make more money in engineering than their parents who were engineers.
And as far as the standard of living.... no you are still crazy.
My standard of living today, is better than my parents when they were my age. By quite a bit too.
My house is bigger, than the house they had at my age. I have had central air conditioning since I was in college, in 1999. My parents didn't have air conditioning until they were in their late 50s. Microwaves, internet, computers, instapots. My parents didn't have cable TV until they were in their late 50s, and in fact, didn't even own a TV until they were in their late 40s.
I've had all of that, and smart phones, and GPS driving directions, and on and on and on.
We today, are miles and miles beyond where are parents were at the same age. You are crazy if you think otherwise. Absolutely crazy.
The poorest WORKING people today, have a higher standard of living, than the middle class of the 1970s. By a MASSIVE margin.
Now if you are living off welfare and unemployment, and not working consistently full time, then yeah, they are falling way behind, and need to get off their butts, and work for what they want.
But the poorest working people putting in full days work every day.... no they are way beyond where the middle class was in the 1970s, or even 1980s.
The middle class is getting smaller. If you are securly in the middle class and doing well and you’re ok with a 20% cut to your social security, vote republican.
If you are going to need your social security, you’re a fool being a republican.
Social Security was going broke before Trump was even running for office.
You are fool if your retirement plan is to depend on Social Security.
Before any of this Covid nonsense happened, SS was going broke. Before Trump was ever elected, SS paid out so little, that you were basically going to live in poverty until you die, if Social Security was your retirement plan.
Anyone who plans to retire on Social Security is an idiot. You need to be saving for your own retirement out of your own income, like everyone else should be doing.
Social Security is the most poverty creating program in US history. Don't be stupid. Save for retirement.
And when I say we’re not better than we were before I mean the middle class. The rich are doing great.
Half of me is working class and half is investor class. As a worker I disagree with you. As an investor I partially agree with you. And when I agree I certainly don’t agree on your suggested remedies.
Again, factually speaking, we are way better off after the 1980s, than before.
If you telling me that the working class, TODAY.... is worse off, than the working class of the 1970s.... or before.... you are crazy. You are factually incorrect sir.
We are way way way better off than the people in the 1970s or before.
The middle class TODAY... is better off than the middle class of the 1970s.
And yes, investors are better off too. You know who is an investor? Likely.... 70% of the population?
55% of people have investments in the stock market.
65% have property investments.
15% have pensions, which are in fact investments, typically in the stock market.
And there are millions with annuities, and those are typically invested in stocks too.
And by the way, there is a connection between investment and labor. Most jobs wouldn't exist without investment.
So while someone might claim "The investor class is doing well, but the working class is not".... really? Because without the investments, hundreds of millions of jobs wouldn't exist, and those workers would be far worse off.
Today to do as well you have to go to college and how much does that cost? So blue collar are not better off today and back in my day college was $5000 a year. I worked in the summer and saved most of my tuition. Maybe my dad had to chip in $1000 a year so I didn’t need student loans.
And honestly, for years I had a college degree but wasn’t doing as well as my dad did. I am now but that is common now especially for millennials. First generation who won’t do better than their parents.
I may make more than my dad ever did but am I better off? Fuck no. My dad has great retirement benefits through ford. And a pension. He took the buy out.
Oh yea and me. I make $100k a year give or take now. Have for the past 5 years. I’m 49. So let’s say I’ve got to at least work till I’m 62 to collect social security and Medicare. If they let me retire with those things at 62 I will I don’t care how much I lose for retiring early.
BUT. If I would have went to work at ford when I graduated highschool at 17, I’d already be getting a 30 year pension 2 years ago. At the age of 47. So even though I’m balling and have no debt, I’m still going to have to work 15 more years than if I would have just taken that union job at ford.
plus i wouldn’t have spent that $20,000 on a bachelors degree.
But you, if you really make more than me, you should vote republican. But if you don’t you shouldn’t.
Arent you that fat foreign guy? Maybe I’m confusing you with someone else?
That's a dumb statement. That's like saying "Without all the clear cut reasons to vote Republican.... people wouldn't vote Republican.
Yeah... so?
Americans made this mistake in 2000. They didn’t realize how much worse republicans are to the middle class but they found out in the 2000s. They took Bill Clinton and al gore for granted and thought how bad could bush possibly be? Things were going so great. How could he fuck it up?
Sent all our best blue collar jobs overseas. Our most important jobs. Manufacturing jobs.
They convinced you Walmart and China were great. You loved the cheap shit.
And they convinced you that illegals were only doing jobs Americans won’t do. And again, do you want to pay more to get your grass cut?
Republicans fucked the middle class in the 2000s and I’m not buying trump even though he’s very clever
You never told me what state you live in. One more time
.Brookline, MA | Data USA
In 2017, Brookline, MA had a population of 59.2k people with a median age of 34.1 and a median household income of $111,289. Between 2016 and 2017 the population of Brookline, MA grew from 59,180 to 59,246, a 0.112% increase and its median household income grew from $102,175 to $111,289, a 8.92%...
Not middle class families.
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I have known it from the start
You wont find me saying let the liberal-infested cities burn because they deserve it
I’m looking into your claim. Did you know in 1970 60% of Americans were middle class and in 2019 it was 49%? Did that percent go up on trumps watch or is the middle class still disappearing?Well even if you lived in Michigan, $100,000 with two kids is not a lot of money. Now consider most families of four make less than me.I live in Brookline and "income" doesn't take into account stocks, RE value, and retirees.Medium household income in Boston is $71,000. Medium income in Oakland county, mi is $80,000. So isn’t that probably a lot of two earner households only making $71,000?I have told you 10x. Don't play coy and it says so in my bio. Too. You're such an asshole. Do you have dementia? We have conversed multiple times.Not buying trumps con game same way I didn’t buy Reagan’s. I see the con.This is not the Bush Republican party nor is it the Clinton one. Duh.If the parties policies hurt your pocket book, you don’t vote based on wedge issues.Ha! I was just telling a guy name unkotare how they use gay to con poor and middle class Americans into voting republican. Without these wedge issues like guns, racism, abortion these people would have no business voting republican. Republicans are not pro labor. Period.I vote Republican because Democrats tell me that men may identity as womenWhy should people who make $60k and have $100,000 in student loan debt vote republican? You probably like that th3 ceo makes 300x what they make right?If I only made $100k per yr I would be depressed.Honestly I grew up in the 70s and 80s in metro Detroit. Back then a guy could graduate high school and go find a job that would support a family of 5. One income. One bread winner.We don’t have to be worse than Europe. Maybe we’re still better but not as much as we were before Reagan bush and trump.Then don’t expect America to be great again. Not if you are middle class. The middle class is struggling big time. Compared to our parents most of you are lower middle class actually.Hey, if you want to live or do business in ny you have to pay. Otherwise go to Alabama. Use their ports and tear up their roads.It is way too expensive to live in nyc. People who worked in nyc but now work from home have moved to places where their salaries go a lot further.Has the mayor figured out how to blame Trump yet ?
The number of empty rental apartments in Manhattan nearly tripled compared with last year, as more New Yorkers fled the city and prices declined.
There were more than 15,000 empty rental apartments in Manhattan in August, up from 5,600 a year ago, according to a report from Douglas Elliman and Miller Samuel. The inventory of empty units is the largest ever recorded since data started being collected 14 years ago, the report said.
Manhattan rental market plunges, leaving 15,000 empty apartments in August
Hopes for a rebound in the fall or the end of 2020 look increasingly unlikely. Although rental prices have come down, the discounts are not steep enough yet to lure new renters back to the city.
Shuli on the Howard stern show moved to Alabama. With what he makes he’s rich in Alabama. If you can work from home why live in a city where $100,000 a year is not a lot?
And whose fault is that?
You jack up taxes, jack up regulations, jack up housing policy, jack up the police so that crime is everywhere, which increases costs on the city.... and then you say "It's too expensive to live there" as if that just fell out of the sky randomly.
No it didn't. Bad policies caused this.
And by the way, they could have had thousands of well paying jobs in NYC when Amazon built an HQ there, but AOC drove them out. Brilliant.
Well that's kind of my point. They are not, and they leaving.
People are leaving NYC. That's the point. This is true everywhere.
When France implemented their wealth tax... they said the same thing. "Hey, if you want to live and do business in France, you have to pay!"
and you know what happened????
Wealth tax is forcing 12,000 millionaires PER YEAR out of France
Edouard Philippe defended President Emmanuel Macrons' new tax break for the wealthiest, saying it is needed stem the increasing flow of the richest leaving France.
They left! They were packing up their wealthy, their businesses, and their families, and leaving.
Famously in Jamaica, when PM Manly passed all his socialist crap.... he said openly "There are six flights a day to Miami"... and people started taking the flights to Miami. They left.
You can't hurt the rich. Only yourself. It was poor people of Jamaica that end up dealing with the joblessness and high crime.
The rich left.
Same in NYC. The rich are leaving. The poor are stuck jobless, and victimized by the criminals.
So, yes.... they will leave.
The middle class is getting smaller. If you are securly in the middle class and doing well and you’re ok with a 20% cut to your social security, vote republican.
If you are going to need your social security, you’re a fool being a republican.
I actually don't believe that America was ever not great. At least thus far. America has never ceased being great.
The only people who think that America has declined, are the fools who have never lived, or been elsewhere, or know people who live elsewhere.
I do. I've been to Europe. I know people who live in Europe right now. And if you think America is not better than Europe, or the rest of the world, you are crazy. You don't know what you are talking about.
People in Europe live lower standards of living, universally. Smaller houses, smaller cars, smaller appliances, less spending money, less entertainment.
There is no possible way to measure the standards of living in the rest of the world, and compare to the US, and not have the US be better.
Why do think we have millions of people trying to get into this country? It's one of the most baffling aspects of Left-wing contradictions, that you want open borders to let people freely come into the country, and at the same time claim the country is declining and everything is terrible, and America is racists and evil.
Those are mutually exclusive positions. People don't risk their lives, to get into places that are terrible.
The middle class is struggling big time. Compared to our parents most of you are lower middle class actually.
No, I don't buy that. You show me one person who walked the exact same path as their parents, and is worse off.
I'm not making the same money as my parents, but that's because I am not in the same career as my parents.
I have relatives, where their parents were wielders. Their son, became a wielder too. Their son is make more money than his parents did, when they were his age.
I know engineers, and they make more money in engineering than their parents who were engineers.
And as far as the standard of living.... no you are still crazy.
My standard of living today, is better than my parents when they were my age. By quite a bit too.
My house is bigger, than the house they had at my age. I have had central air conditioning since I was in college, in 1999. My parents didn't have air conditioning until they were in their late 50s. Microwaves, internet, computers, instapots. My parents didn't have cable TV until they were in their late 50s, and in fact, didn't even own a TV until they were in their late 40s.
I've had all of that, and smart phones, and GPS driving directions, and on and on and on.
We today, are miles and miles beyond where are parents were at the same age. You are crazy if you think otherwise. Absolutely crazy.
The poorest WORKING people today, have a higher standard of living, than the middle class of the 1970s. By a MASSIVE margin.
Now if you are living off welfare and unemployment, and not working consistently full time, then yeah, they are falling way behind, and need to get off their butts, and work for what they want.
But the poorest working people putting in full days work every day.... no they are way beyond where the middle class was in the 1970s, or even 1980s.
The middle class is getting smaller. If you are securly in the middle class and doing well and you’re ok with a 20% cut to your social security, vote republican.
If you are going to need your social security, you’re a fool being a republican.
Social Security was going broke before Trump was even running for office.
You are fool if your retirement plan is to depend on Social Security.
Before any of this Covid nonsense happened, SS was going broke. Before Trump was ever elected, SS paid out so little, that you were basically going to live in poverty until you die, if Social Security was your retirement plan.
Anyone who plans to retire on Social Security is an idiot. You need to be saving for your own retirement out of your own income, like everyone else should be doing.
Social Security is the most poverty creating program in US history. Don't be stupid. Save for retirement.
And when I say we’re not better than we were before I mean the middle class. The rich are doing great.
Half of me is working class and half is investor class. As a worker I disagree with you. As an investor I partially agree with you. And when I agree I certainly don’t agree on your suggested remedies.
Again, factually speaking, we are way better off after the 1980s, than before.
If you telling me that the working class, TODAY.... is worse off, than the working class of the 1970s.... or before.... you are crazy. You are factually incorrect sir.
We are way way way better off than the people in the 1970s or before.
The middle class TODAY... is better off than the middle class of the 1970s.
And yes, investors are better off too. You know who is an investor? Likely.... 70% of the population?
55% of people have investments in the stock market.
65% have property investments.
15% have pensions, which are in fact investments, typically in the stock market.
And there are millions with annuities, and those are typically invested in stocks too.
And by the way, there is a connection between investment and labor. Most jobs wouldn't exist without investment.
So while someone might claim "The investor class is doing well, but the working class is not".... really? Because without the investments, hundreds of millions of jobs wouldn't exist, and those workers would be far worse off.
Today to do as well you have to go to college and how much does that cost? So blue collar are not better off today and back in my day college was $5000 a year. I worked in the summer and saved most of my tuition. Maybe my dad had to chip in $1000 a year so I didn’t need student loans.
And honestly, for years I had a college degree but wasn’t doing as well as my dad did. I am now but that is common now especially for millennials. First generation who won’t do better than their parents.
I may make more than my dad ever did but am I better off? Fuck no. My dad has great retirement benefits through ford. And a pension. He took the buy out.
Oh yea and me. I make $100k a year give or take now. Have for the past 5 years. I’m 49. So let’s say I’ve got to at least work till I’m 62 to collect social security and Medicare. If they let me retire with those things at 62 I will I don’t care how much I lose for retiring early.
BUT. If I would have went to work at ford when I graduated highschool at 17, I’d already be getting a 30 year pension 2 years ago. At the age of 47. So even though I’m balling and have no debt, I’m still going to have to work 15 more years than if I would have just taken that union job at ford.
plus i wouldn’t have spent that $20,000 on a bachelors degree.
But you, if you really make more than me, you should vote republican. But if you don’t you shouldn’t.
Arent you that fat foreign guy? Maybe I’m confusing you with someone else?
That's a dumb statement. That's like saying "Without all the clear cut reasons to vote Republican.... people wouldn't vote Republican.
Yeah... so?
Americans made this mistake in 2000. They didn’t realize how much worse republicans are to the middle class but they found out in the 2000s. They took Bill Clinton and al gore for granted and thought how bad could bush possibly be? Things were going so great. How could he fuck it up?
Sent all our best blue collar jobs overseas. Our most important jobs. Manufacturing jobs.
They convinced you Walmart and China were great. You loved the cheap shit.
And they convinced you that illegals were only doing jobs Americans won’t do. And again, do you want to pay more to get your grass cut?
Republicans fucked the middle class in the 2000s and I’m not buying trump even though he’s very clever
You never told me what state you live in. One more time
.Brookline, MA | Data USA
In 2017, Brookline, MA had a population of 59.2k people with a median age of 34.1 and a median household income of $111,289. Between 2016 and 2017 the population of Brookline, MA grew from 59,180 to 59,246, a 0.112% increase and its median household income grew from $102,175 to $111,289, a 8.92%...
49% in the middle class. 19% upper class and 31% lower class. in 1970 60% were middle class. what’s happening to the middle class?
I read a single guy living by himself Making 6 figures is upper class. I’m upper class. But have 1 kid you move into middle class.
It is shrinking. My AGI last year was ~$600k...am I middle class or upper class by that operational definition?I’m looking into your claim. Did you know in 1970 60% of Americans were middle class and in 2019 it was 49%? Did that percent go up on trumps watch or is the middle class still disappearing?Well even if you lived in Michigan, $100,000 with two kids is not a lot of money. Now consider most families of four make less than me.I live in Brookline and "income" doesn't take into account stocks, RE value, and retirees.Medium household income in Boston is $71,000. Medium income in Oakland county, mi is $80,000. So isn’t that probably a lot of two earner households only making $71,000?I have told you 10x. Don't play coy and it says so in my bio. Too. You're such an asshole. Do you have dementia? We have conversed multiple times.Not buying trumps con game same way I didn’t buy Reagan’s. I see the con.This is not the Bush Republican party nor is it the Clinton one. Duh.If the parties policies hurt your pocket book, you don’t vote based on wedge issues.Ha! I was just telling a guy name unkotare how they use gay to con poor and middle class Americans into voting republican. Without these wedge issues like guns, racism, abortion these people would have no business voting republican. Republicans are not pro labor. Period.I vote Republican because Democrats tell me that men may identity as womenWhy should people who make $60k and have $100,000 in student loan debt vote republican? You probably like that th3 ceo makes 300x what they make right?If I only made $100k per yr I would be depressed.Honestly I grew up in the 70s and 80s in metro Detroit. Back then a guy could graduate high school and go find a job that would support a family of 5. One income. One bread winner.We don’t have to be worse than Europe. Maybe we’re still better but not as much as we were before Reagan bush and trump.Then don’t expect America to be great again. Not if you are middle class. The middle class is struggling big time. Compared to our parents most of you are lower middle class actually.Hey, if you want to live or do business in ny you have to pay. Otherwise go to Alabama. Use their ports and tear up their roads.It is way too expensive to live in nyc. People who worked in nyc but now work from home have moved to places where their salaries go a lot further.Has the mayor figured out how to blame Trump yet ?
The number of empty rental apartments in Manhattan nearly tripled compared with last year, as more New Yorkers fled the city and prices declined.
There were more than 15,000 empty rental apartments in Manhattan in August, up from 5,600 a year ago, according to a report from Douglas Elliman and Miller Samuel. The inventory of empty units is the largest ever recorded since data started being collected 14 years ago, the report said.
Manhattan rental market plunges, leaving 15,000 empty apartments in August
Hopes for a rebound in the fall or the end of 2020 look increasingly unlikely. Although rental prices have come down, the discounts are not steep enough yet to lure new renters back to the city.
Shuli on the Howard stern show moved to Alabama. With what he makes he’s rich in Alabama. If you can work from home why live in a city where $100,000 a year is not a lot?
And whose fault is that?
You jack up taxes, jack up regulations, jack up housing policy, jack up the police so that crime is everywhere, which increases costs on the city.... and then you say "It's too expensive to live there" as if that just fell out of the sky randomly.
No it didn't. Bad policies caused this.
And by the way, they could have had thousands of well paying jobs in NYC when Amazon built an HQ there, but AOC drove them out. Brilliant.
Well that's kind of my point. They are not, and they leaving.
People are leaving NYC. That's the point. This is true everywhere.
When France implemented their wealth tax... they said the same thing. "Hey, if you want to live and do business in France, you have to pay!"
and you know what happened????
Wealth tax is forcing 12,000 millionaires PER YEAR out of France
Edouard Philippe defended President Emmanuel Macrons' new tax break for the wealthiest, saying it is needed stem the increasing flow of the richest leaving France.
They left! They were packing up their wealthy, their businesses, and their families, and leaving.
Famously in Jamaica, when PM Manly passed all his socialist crap.... he said openly "There are six flights a day to Miami"... and people started taking the flights to Miami. They left.
You can't hurt the rich. Only yourself. It was poor people of Jamaica that end up dealing with the joblessness and high crime.
The rich left.
Same in NYC. The rich are leaving. The poor are stuck jobless, and victimized by the criminals.
So, yes.... they will leave.
The middle class is getting smaller. If you are securly in the middle class and doing well and you’re ok with a 20% cut to your social security, vote republican.
If you are going to need your social security, you’re a fool being a republican.
I actually don't believe that America was ever not great. At least thus far. America has never ceased being great.
The only people who think that America has declined, are the fools who have never lived, or been elsewhere, or know people who live elsewhere.
I do. I've been to Europe. I know people who live in Europe right now. And if you think America is not better than Europe, or the rest of the world, you are crazy. You don't know what you are talking about.
People in Europe live lower standards of living, universally. Smaller houses, smaller cars, smaller appliances, less spending money, less entertainment.
There is no possible way to measure the standards of living in the rest of the world, and compare to the US, and not have the US be better.
Why do think we have millions of people trying to get into this country? It's one of the most baffling aspects of Left-wing contradictions, that you want open borders to let people freely come into the country, and at the same time claim the country is declining and everything is terrible, and America is racists and evil.
Those are mutually exclusive positions. People don't risk their lives, to get into places that are terrible.
The middle class is struggling big time. Compared to our parents most of you are lower middle class actually.
No, I don't buy that. You show me one person who walked the exact same path as their parents, and is worse off.
I'm not making the same money as my parents, but that's because I am not in the same career as my parents.
I have relatives, where their parents were wielders. Their son, became a wielder too. Their son is make more money than his parents did, when they were his age.
I know engineers, and they make more money in engineering than their parents who were engineers.
And as far as the standard of living.... no you are still crazy.
My standard of living today, is better than my parents when they were my age. By quite a bit too.
My house is bigger, than the house they had at my age. I have had central air conditioning since I was in college, in 1999. My parents didn't have air conditioning until they were in their late 50s. Microwaves, internet, computers, instapots. My parents didn't have cable TV until they were in their late 50s, and in fact, didn't even own a TV until they were in their late 40s.
I've had all of that, and smart phones, and GPS driving directions, and on and on and on.
We today, are miles and miles beyond where are parents were at the same age. You are crazy if you think otherwise. Absolutely crazy.
The poorest WORKING people today, have a higher standard of living, than the middle class of the 1970s. By a MASSIVE margin.
Now if you are living off welfare and unemployment, and not working consistently full time, then yeah, they are falling way behind, and need to get off their butts, and work for what they want.
But the poorest working people putting in full days work every day.... no they are way beyond where the middle class was in the 1970s, or even 1980s.
The middle class is getting smaller. If you are securly in the middle class and doing well and you’re ok with a 20% cut to your social security, vote republican.
If you are going to need your social security, you’re a fool being a republican.
Social Security was going broke before Trump was even running for office.
You are fool if your retirement plan is to depend on Social Security.
Before any of this Covid nonsense happened, SS was going broke. Before Trump was ever elected, SS paid out so little, that you were basically going to live in poverty until you die, if Social Security was your retirement plan.
Anyone who plans to retire on Social Security is an idiot. You need to be saving for your own retirement out of your own income, like everyone else should be doing.
Social Security is the most poverty creating program in US history. Don't be stupid. Save for retirement.
And when I say we’re not better than we were before I mean the middle class. The rich are doing great.
Half of me is working class and half is investor class. As a worker I disagree with you. As an investor I partially agree with you. And when I agree I certainly don’t agree on your suggested remedies.
Again, factually speaking, we are way better off after the 1980s, than before.
If you telling me that the working class, TODAY.... is worse off, than the working class of the 1970s.... or before.... you are crazy. You are factually incorrect sir.
We are way way way better off than the people in the 1970s or before.
The middle class TODAY... is better off than the middle class of the 1970s.
And yes, investors are better off too. You know who is an investor? Likely.... 70% of the population?
55% of people have investments in the stock market.
65% have property investments.
15% have pensions, which are in fact investments, typically in the stock market.
And there are millions with annuities, and those are typically invested in stocks too.
And by the way, there is a connection between investment and labor. Most jobs wouldn't exist without investment.
So while someone might claim "The investor class is doing well, but the working class is not".... really? Because without the investments, hundreds of millions of jobs wouldn't exist, and those workers would be far worse off.
Today to do as well you have to go to college and how much does that cost? So blue collar are not better off today and back in my day college was $5000 a year. I worked in the summer and saved most of my tuition. Maybe my dad had to chip in $1000 a year so I didn’t need student loans.
And honestly, for years I had a college degree but wasn’t doing as well as my dad did. I am now but that is common now especially for millennials. First generation who won’t do better than their parents.
I may make more than my dad ever did but am I better off? Fuck no. My dad has great retirement benefits through ford. And a pension. He took the buy out.
Oh yea and me. I make $100k a year give or take now. Have for the past 5 years. I’m 49. So let’s say I’ve got to at least work till I’m 62 to collect social security and Medicare. If they let me retire with those things at 62 I will I don’t care how much I lose for retiring early.
BUT. If I would have went to work at ford when I graduated highschool at 17, I’d already be getting a 30 year pension 2 years ago. At the age of 47. So even though I’m balling and have no debt, I’m still going to have to work 15 more years than if I would have just taken that union job at ford.
plus i wouldn’t have spent that $20,000 on a bachelors degree.
But you, if you really make more than me, you should vote republican. But if you don’t you shouldn’t.
Arent you that fat foreign guy? Maybe I’m confusing you with someone else?
That's a dumb statement. That's like saying "Without all the clear cut reasons to vote Republican.... people wouldn't vote Republican.
Yeah... so?
Americans made this mistake in 2000. They didn’t realize how much worse republicans are to the middle class but they found out in the 2000s. They took Bill Clinton and al gore for granted and thought how bad could bush possibly be? Things were going so great. How could he fuck it up?
Sent all our best blue collar jobs overseas. Our most important jobs. Manufacturing jobs.
They convinced you Walmart and China were great. You loved the cheap shit.
And they convinced you that illegals were only doing jobs Americans won’t do. And again, do you want to pay more to get your grass cut?
Republicans fucked the middle class in the 2000s and I’m not buying trump even though he’s very clever
You never told me what state you live in. One more time
.Brookline, MA | Data USA
In 2017, Brookline, MA had a population of 59.2k people with a median age of 34.1 and a median household income of $111,289. Between 2016 and 2017 the population of Brookline, MA grew from 59,180 to 59,246, a 0.112% increase and its median household income grew from $102,175 to $111,289, a 8.92%...
49% in the middle class. 19% upper class and 31% lower class. in 1970 60% were middle class. what’s happening to the middle class?
I read a single guy living by himself Making 6 figures is upper class. I’m upper class. But have 1 kid you move into middle class.
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PROOF PLEASE--you just babbled..how about some facts and figures--FOR ONCE!!!!Look at companies like Toyota and Honda Compared to ford and gm. More temps than full time employees.lower pay?? how so?More jobs but lower paying.Not true at all. Fewer regulations equates to more business openings and expansion and more jobs. Trump brought jobs back and halted corporate inversions.Republicans are against paying labor more too. Driving wages down. How? By sending jobs overseas and hiring illegal workersUnions are stupid. Republicans are for lower taxes and fewer regulations. You’re uneducated by your own admission so please stop trying to sound smart.Because republicans are against employees unionizing. Their way brought wages down.How so?Ha! I was just telling a guy name unkotare how they use gay to con poor and middle class Americans into voting republican. Without these wedge issues like guns, racism, abortion these people would have no business voting republican. Republicans are not pro labor. Period.I vote Republican because Democrats tell me that men may identity as womenWhy should people who make $60k and have $100,000 in student loan debt vote republican? You probably like that th3 ceo makes 300x what they make right?If I only made $100k per yr I would be depressed.Honestly I grew up in the 70s and 80s in metro Detroit. Back then a guy could graduate high school and go find a job that would support a family of 5. One income. One bread winner.We don’t have to be worse than Europe. Maybe we’re still better but not as much as we were before Reagan bush and trump.Then don’t expect America to be great again. Not if you are middle class. The middle class is struggling big time. Compared to our parents most of you are lower middle class actually.Hey, if you want to live or do business in ny you have to pay. Otherwise go to Alabama. Use their ports and tear up their roads.It is way too expensive to live in nyc. People who worked in nyc but now work from home have moved to places where their salaries go a lot further.Has the mayor figured out how to blame Trump yet ?
The number of empty rental apartments in Manhattan nearly tripled compared with last year, as more New Yorkers fled the city and prices declined.
There were more than 15,000 empty rental apartments in Manhattan in August, up from 5,600 a year ago, according to a report from Douglas Elliman and Miller Samuel. The inventory of empty units is the largest ever recorded since data started being collected 14 years ago, the report said.
Manhattan rental market plunges, leaving 15,000 empty apartments in August
Hopes for a rebound in the fall or the end of 2020 look increasingly unlikely. Although rental prices have come down, the discounts are not steep enough yet to lure new renters back to the city.
Shuli on the Howard stern show moved to Alabama. With what he makes he’s rich in Alabama. If you can work from home why live in a city where $100,000 a year is not a lot?
And whose fault is that?
You jack up taxes, jack up regulations, jack up housing policy, jack up the police so that crime is everywhere, which increases costs on the city.... and then you say "It's too expensive to live there" as if that just fell out of the sky randomly.
No it didn't. Bad policies caused this.
And by the way, they could have had thousands of well paying jobs in NYC when Amazon built an HQ there, but AOC drove them out. Brilliant.
Well that's kind of my point. They are not, and they leaving.
People are leaving NYC. That's the point. This is true everywhere.
When France implemented their wealth tax... they said the same thing. "Hey, if you want to live and do business in France, you have to pay!"
and you know what happened????
Wealth tax is forcing 12,000 millionaires PER YEAR out of France
Edouard Philippe defended President Emmanuel Macrons' new tax break for the wealthiest, saying it is needed stem the increasing flow of the richest leaving France.
They left! They were packing up their wealthy, their businesses, and their families, and leaving.
Famously in Jamaica, when PM Manly passed all his socialist crap.... he said openly "There are six flights a day to Miami"... and people started taking the flights to Miami. They left.
You can't hurt the rich. Only yourself. It was poor people of Jamaica that end up dealing with the joblessness and high crime.
The rich left.
Same in NYC. The rich are leaving. The poor are stuck jobless, and victimized by the criminals.
So, yes.... they will leave.
The middle class is getting smaller. If you are securly in the middle class and doing well and you’re ok with a 20% cut to your social security, vote republican.
If you are going to need your social security, you’re a fool being a republican.
I actually don't believe that America was ever not great. At least thus far. America has never ceased being great.
The only people who think that America has declined, are the fools who have never lived, or been elsewhere, or know people who live elsewhere.
I do. I've been to Europe. I know people who live in Europe right now. And if you think America is not better than Europe, or the rest of the world, you are crazy. You don't know what you are talking about.
People in Europe live lower standards of living, universally. Smaller houses, smaller cars, smaller appliances, less spending money, less entertainment.
There is no possible way to measure the standards of living in the rest of the world, and compare to the US, and not have the US be better.
Why do think we have millions of people trying to get into this country? It's one of the most baffling aspects of Left-wing contradictions, that you want open borders to let people freely come into the country, and at the same time claim the country is declining and everything is terrible, and America is racists and evil.
Those are mutually exclusive positions. People don't risk their lives, to get into places that are terrible.
The middle class is struggling big time. Compared to our parents most of you are lower middle class actually.
No, I don't buy that. You show me one person who walked the exact same path as their parents, and is worse off.
I'm not making the same money as my parents, but that's because I am not in the same career as my parents.
I have relatives, where their parents were wielders. Their son, became a wielder too. Their son is make more money than his parents did, when they were his age.
I know engineers, and they make more money in engineering than their parents who were engineers.
And as far as the standard of living.... no you are still crazy.
My standard of living today, is better than my parents when they were my age. By quite a bit too.
My house is bigger, than the house they had at my age. I have had central air conditioning since I was in college, in 1999. My parents didn't have air conditioning until they were in their late 50s. Microwaves, internet, computers, instapots. My parents didn't have cable TV until they were in their late 50s, and in fact, didn't even own a TV until they were in their late 40s.
I've had all of that, and smart phones, and GPS driving directions, and on and on and on.
We today, are miles and miles beyond where are parents were at the same age. You are crazy if you think otherwise. Absolutely crazy.
The poorest WORKING people today, have a higher standard of living, than the middle class of the 1970s. By a MASSIVE margin.
Now if you are living off welfare and unemployment, and not working consistently full time, then yeah, they are falling way behind, and need to get off their butts, and work for what they want.
But the poorest working people putting in full days work every day.... no they are way beyond where the middle class was in the 1970s, or even 1980s.
The middle class is getting smaller. If you are securly in the middle class and doing well and you’re ok with a 20% cut to your social security, vote republican.
If you are going to need your social security, you’re a fool being a republican.
Social Security was going broke before Trump was even running for office.
You are fool if your retirement plan is to depend on Social Security.
Before any of this Covid nonsense happened, SS was going broke. Before Trump was ever elected, SS paid out so little, that you were basically going to live in poverty until you die, if Social Security was your retirement plan.
Anyone who plans to retire on Social Security is an idiot. You need to be saving for your own retirement out of your own income, like everyone else should be doing.
Social Security is the most poverty creating program in US history. Don't be stupid. Save for retirement.
And when I say we’re not better than we were before I mean the middle class. The rich are doing great.
Half of me is working class and half is investor class. As a worker I disagree with you. As an investor I partially agree with you. And when I agree I certainly don’t agree on your suggested remedies.
Again, factually speaking, we are way better off after the 1980s, than before.
If you telling me that the working class, TODAY.... is worse off, than the working class of the 1970s.... or before.... you are crazy. You are factually incorrect sir.
We are way way way better off than the people in the 1970s or before.
The middle class TODAY... is better off than the middle class of the 1970s.
And yes, investors are better off too. You know who is an investor? Likely.... 70% of the population?
55% of people have investments in the stock market.
65% have property investments.
15% have pensions, which are in fact investments, typically in the stock market.
And there are millions with annuities, and those are typically invested in stocks too.
And by the way, there is a connection between investment and labor. Most jobs wouldn't exist without investment.
So while someone might claim "The investor class is doing well, but the working class is not".... really? Because without the investments, hundreds of millions of jobs wouldn't exist, and those workers would be far worse off.
Today to do as well you have to go to college and how much does that cost? So blue collar are not better off today and back in my day college was $5000 a year. I worked in the summer and saved most of my tuition. Maybe my dad had to chip in $1000 a year so I didn’t need student loans.
And honestly, for years I had a college degree but wasn’t doing as well as my dad did. I am now but that is common now especially for millennials. First generation who won’t do better than their parents.
I may make more than my dad ever did but am I better off? Fuck no. My dad has great retirement benefits through ford. And a pension. He took the buy out.
Oh yea and me. I make $100k a year give or take now. Have for the past 5 years. I’m 49. So let’s say I’ve got to at least work till I’m 62 to collect social security and Medicare. If they let me retire with those things at 62 I will I don’t care how much I lose for retiring early.
BUT. If I would have went to work at ford when I graduated highschool at 17, I’d already be getting a 30 year pension 2 years ago. At the age of 47. So even though I’m balling and have no debt, I’m still going to have to work 15 more years than if I would have just taken that union job at ford.
plus i wouldn’t have spent that $20,000 on a bachelors degree.
But you, if you really make more than me, you should vote republican. But if you don’t you shouldn’t.
Arent you that fat foreign guy? Maybe I’m confusing you with someone else?
Because republicans won’t go after illegal employers. So they arent really trying to kick illegals out. A wall. Ha!
Because trumps fixes to nafta and trade with ch8na did nothing to help labor. And only american companies a little. Only enough for trump to claim a victory.
Youre being conned
But I’m not so against lower wages anymore. As long as it’s not my wages. You and I make more than the average american with two kids. I’m not worrying about them anymore
but remember you admitted that if you made what they all make, your be depressed. So why should they vote like you vote when you’re for lower wages for them?
That’s just one example.
Do you even have to ask?
Republicans applaud companies who’s CEOs make the most but employees make the least.
So why did we go from 62% of americans being middle class in 1970 to 49% today? What happening to the disappearing middle class?
Azog said he’d be depressed if he only made $100,000 and he has two kids. He lives in Boston. Does he know you make less than $80,000? Are you even middle class?
Look it upPROOF PLEASE--you just babbled..how about some facts and figures--FOR ONCE!!!!Look at companies like Toyota and Honda Compared to ford and gm. More temps than full time employees.lower pay?? how so?More jobs but lower paying.Not true at all. Fewer regulations equates to more business openings and expansion and more jobs. Trump brought jobs back and halted corporate inversions.Republicans are against paying labor more too. Driving wages down. How? By sending jobs overseas and hiring illegal workersUnions are stupid. Republicans are for lower taxes and fewer regulations. You’re uneducated by your own admission so please stop trying to sound smart.Because republicans are against employees unionizing. Their way brought wages down.How so?Ha! I was just telling a guy name unkotare how they use gay to con poor and middle class Americans into voting republican. Without these wedge issues like guns, racism, abortion these people would have no business voting republican. Republicans are not pro labor. Period.I vote Republican because Democrats tell me that men may identity as womenWhy should people who make $60k and have $100,000 in student loan debt vote republican? You probably like that th3 ceo makes 300x what they make right?If I only made $100k per yr I would be depressed.Honestly I grew up in the 70s and 80s in metro Detroit. Back then a guy could graduate high school and go find a job that would support a family of 5. One income. One bread winner.We don’t have to be worse than Europe. Maybe we’re still better but not as much as we were before Reagan bush and trump.Then don’t expect America to be great again. Not if you are middle class. The middle class is struggling big time. Compared to our parents most of you are lower middle class actually.Hey, if you want to live or do business in ny you have to pay. Otherwise go to Alabama. Use their ports and tear up their roads.It is way too expensive to live in nyc. People who worked in nyc but now work from home have moved to places where their salaries go a lot further.Has the mayor figured out how to blame Trump yet ?
The number of empty rental apartments in Manhattan nearly tripled compared with last year, as more New Yorkers fled the city and prices declined.
There were more than 15,000 empty rental apartments in Manhattan in August, up from 5,600 a year ago, according to a report from Douglas Elliman and Miller Samuel. The inventory of empty units is the largest ever recorded since data started being collected 14 years ago, the report said.
Manhattan rental market plunges, leaving 15,000 empty apartments in August
Hopes for a rebound in the fall or the end of 2020 look increasingly unlikely. Although rental prices have come down, the discounts are not steep enough yet to lure new renters back to the city.
Shuli on the Howard stern show moved to Alabama. With what he makes he’s rich in Alabama. If you can work from home why live in a city where $100,000 a year is not a lot?
And whose fault is that?
You jack up taxes, jack up regulations, jack up housing policy, jack up the police so that crime is everywhere, which increases costs on the city.... and then you say "It's too expensive to live there" as if that just fell out of the sky randomly.
No it didn't. Bad policies caused this.
And by the way, they could have had thousands of well paying jobs in NYC when Amazon built an HQ there, but AOC drove them out. Brilliant.
Well that's kind of my point. They are not, and they leaving.
People are leaving NYC. That's the point. This is true everywhere.
When France implemented their wealth tax... they said the same thing. "Hey, if you want to live and do business in France, you have to pay!"
and you know what happened????
Wealth tax is forcing 12,000 millionaires PER YEAR out of France
Edouard Philippe defended President Emmanuel Macrons' new tax break for the wealthiest, saying it is needed stem the increasing flow of the richest leaving France.
They left! They were packing up their wealthy, their businesses, and their families, and leaving.
Famously in Jamaica, when PM Manly passed all his socialist crap.... he said openly "There are six flights a day to Miami"... and people started taking the flights to Miami. They left.
You can't hurt the rich. Only yourself. It was poor people of Jamaica that end up dealing with the joblessness and high crime.
The rich left.
Same in NYC. The rich are leaving. The poor are stuck jobless, and victimized by the criminals.
So, yes.... they will leave.
The middle class is getting smaller. If you are securly in the middle class and doing well and you’re ok with a 20% cut to your social security, vote republican.
If you are going to need your social security, you’re a fool being a republican.
I actually don't believe that America was ever not great. At least thus far. America has never ceased being great.
The only people who think that America has declined, are the fools who have never lived, or been elsewhere, or know people who live elsewhere.
I do. I've been to Europe. I know people who live in Europe right now. And if you think America is not better than Europe, or the rest of the world, you are crazy. You don't know what you are talking about.
People in Europe live lower standards of living, universally. Smaller houses, smaller cars, smaller appliances, less spending money, less entertainment.
There is no possible way to measure the standards of living in the rest of the world, and compare to the US, and not have the US be better.
Why do think we have millions of people trying to get into this country? It's one of the most baffling aspects of Left-wing contradictions, that you want open borders to let people freely come into the country, and at the same time claim the country is declining and everything is terrible, and America is racists and evil.
Those are mutually exclusive positions. People don't risk their lives, to get into places that are terrible.
The middle class is struggling big time. Compared to our parents most of you are lower middle class actually.
No, I don't buy that. You show me one person who walked the exact same path as their parents, and is worse off.
I'm not making the same money as my parents, but that's because I am not in the same career as my parents.
I have relatives, where their parents were wielders. Their son, became a wielder too. Their son is make more money than his parents did, when they were his age.
I know engineers, and they make more money in engineering than their parents who were engineers.
And as far as the standard of living.... no you are still crazy.
My standard of living today, is better than my parents when they were my age. By quite a bit too.
My house is bigger, than the house they had at my age. I have had central air conditioning since I was in college, in 1999. My parents didn't have air conditioning until they were in their late 50s. Microwaves, internet, computers, instapots. My parents didn't have cable TV until they were in their late 50s, and in fact, didn't even own a TV until they were in their late 40s.
I've had all of that, and smart phones, and GPS driving directions, and on and on and on.
We today, are miles and miles beyond where are parents were at the same age. You are crazy if you think otherwise. Absolutely crazy.
The poorest WORKING people today, have a higher standard of living, than the middle class of the 1970s. By a MASSIVE margin.
Now if you are living off welfare and unemployment, and not working consistently full time, then yeah, they are falling way behind, and need to get off their butts, and work for what they want.
But the poorest working people putting in full days work every day.... no they are way beyond where the middle class was in the 1970s, or even 1980s.
The middle class is getting smaller. If you are securly in the middle class and doing well and you’re ok with a 20% cut to your social security, vote republican.
If you are going to need your social security, you’re a fool being a republican.
Social Security was going broke before Trump was even running for office.
You are fool if your retirement plan is to depend on Social Security.
Before any of this Covid nonsense happened, SS was going broke. Before Trump was ever elected, SS paid out so little, that you were basically going to live in poverty until you die, if Social Security was your retirement plan.
Anyone who plans to retire on Social Security is an idiot. You need to be saving for your own retirement out of your own income, like everyone else should be doing.
Social Security is the most poverty creating program in US history. Don't be stupid. Save for retirement.
And when I say we’re not better than we were before I mean the middle class. The rich are doing great.
Half of me is working class and half is investor class. As a worker I disagree with you. As an investor I partially agree with you. And when I agree I certainly don’t agree on your suggested remedies.
Again, factually speaking, we are way better off after the 1980s, than before.
If you telling me that the working class, TODAY.... is worse off, than the working class of the 1970s.... or before.... you are crazy. You are factually incorrect sir.
We are way way way better off than the people in the 1970s or before.
The middle class TODAY... is better off than the middle class of the 1970s.
And yes, investors are better off too. You know who is an investor? Likely.... 70% of the population?
55% of people have investments in the stock market.
65% have property investments.
15% have pensions, which are in fact investments, typically in the stock market.
And there are millions with annuities, and those are typically invested in stocks too.
And by the way, there is a connection between investment and labor. Most jobs wouldn't exist without investment.
So while someone might claim "The investor class is doing well, but the working class is not".... really? Because without the investments, hundreds of millions of jobs wouldn't exist, and those workers would be far worse off.
Today to do as well you have to go to college and how much does that cost? So blue collar are not better off today and back in my day college was $5000 a year. I worked in the summer and saved most of my tuition. Maybe my dad had to chip in $1000 a year so I didn’t need student loans.
And honestly, for years I had a college degree but wasn’t doing as well as my dad did. I am now but that is common now especially for millennials. First generation who won’t do better than their parents.
I may make more than my dad ever did but am I better off? Fuck no. My dad has great retirement benefits through ford. And a pension. He took the buy out.
Oh yea and me. I make $100k a year give or take now. Have for the past 5 years. I’m 49. So let’s say I’ve got to at least work till I’m 62 to collect social security and Medicare. If they let me retire with those things at 62 I will I don’t care how much I lose for retiring early.
BUT. If I would have went to work at ford when I graduated highschool at 17, I’d already be getting a 30 year pension 2 years ago. At the age of 47. So even though I’m balling and have no debt, I’m still going to have to work 15 more years than if I would have just taken that union job at ford.
plus i wouldn’t have spent that $20,000 on a bachelors degree.
But you, if you really make more than me, you should vote republican. But if you don’t you shouldn’t.
Arent you that fat foreign guy? Maybe I’m confusing you with someone else?
Because republicans won’t go after illegal employers. So they arent really trying to kick illegals out. A wall. Ha!
Because trumps fixes to nafta and trade with ch8na did nothing to help labor. And only american companies a little. Only enough for trump to claim a victory.
Youre being conned
But I’m not so against lower wages anymore. As long as it’s not my wages. You and I make more than the average american with two kids. I’m not worrying about them anymore
but remember you admitted that if you made what they all make, your be depressed. So why should they vote like you vote when you’re for lower wages for them?
That’s just one example.
Do you even have to ask?
Republicans applaud companies who’s CEOs make the most but employees make the least.
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Look it upPROOF PLEASE--you just babbled..how about some facts and figures--FOR ONCE!!!!Look at companies like Toyota and Honda Compared to ford and gm. More temps than full time employees.lower pay?? how so?More jobs but lower paying.Not true at all. Fewer regulations equates to more business openings and expansion and more jobs. Trump brought jobs back and halted corporate inversions.Republicans are against paying labor more too. Driving wages down. How? By sending jobs overseas and hiring illegal workersUnions are stupid. Republicans are for lower taxes and fewer regulations. You’re uneducated by your own admission so please stop trying to sound smart.Because republicans are against employees unionizing. Their way brought wages down.How so?Ha! I was just telling a guy name unkotare how they use gay to con poor and middle class Americans into voting republican. Without these wedge issues like guns, racism, abortion these people would have no business voting republican. Republicans are not pro labor. Period.I vote Republican because Democrats tell me that men may identity as womenWhy should people who make $60k and have $100,000 in student loan debt vote republican? You probably like that th3 ceo makes 300x what they make right?If I only made $100k per yr I would be depressed.Honestly I grew up in the 70s and 80s in metro Detroit. Back then a guy could graduate high school and go find a job that would support a family of 5. One income. One bread winner.We don’t have to be worse than Europe. Maybe we’re still better but not as much as we were before Reagan bush and trump.Then don’t expect America to be great again. Not if you are middle class. The middle class is struggling big time. Compared to our parents most of you are lower middle class actually.Hey, if you want to live or do business in ny you have to pay. Otherwise go to Alabama. Use their ports and tear up their roads.It is way too expensive to live in nyc. People who worked in nyc but now work from home have moved to places where their salaries go a lot further.Has the mayor figured out how to blame Trump yet ?
The number of empty rental apartments in Manhattan nearly tripled compared with last year, as more New Yorkers fled the city and prices declined.
There were more than 15,000 empty rental apartments in Manhattan in August, up from 5,600 a year ago, according to a report from Douglas Elliman and Miller Samuel. The inventory of empty units is the largest ever recorded since data started being collected 14 years ago, the report said.
Manhattan rental market plunges, leaving 15,000 empty apartments in August
Hopes for a rebound in the fall or the end of 2020 look increasingly unlikely. Although rental prices have come down, the discounts are not steep enough yet to lure new renters back to the city.
Shuli on the Howard stern show moved to Alabama. With what he makes he’s rich in Alabama. If you can work from home why live in a city where $100,000 a year is not a lot?
And whose fault is that?
You jack up taxes, jack up regulations, jack up housing policy, jack up the police so that crime is everywhere, which increases costs on the city.... and then you say "It's too expensive to live there" as if that just fell out of the sky randomly.
No it didn't. Bad policies caused this.
And by the way, they could have had thousands of well paying jobs in NYC when Amazon built an HQ there, but AOC drove them out. Brilliant.
Well that's kind of my point. They are not, and they leaving.
People are leaving NYC. That's the point. This is true everywhere.
When France implemented their wealth tax... they said the same thing. "Hey, if you want to live and do business in France, you have to pay!"
and you know what happened????
Wealth tax is forcing 12,000 millionaires PER YEAR out of France
Edouard Philippe defended President Emmanuel Macrons' new tax break for the wealthiest, saying it is needed stem the increasing flow of the richest leaving France.
They left! They were packing up their wealthy, their businesses, and their families, and leaving.
Famously in Jamaica, when PM Manly passed all his socialist crap.... he said openly "There are six flights a day to Miami"... and people started taking the flights to Miami. They left.
You can't hurt the rich. Only yourself. It was poor people of Jamaica that end up dealing with the joblessness and high crime.
The rich left.
Same in NYC. The rich are leaving. The poor are stuck jobless, and victimized by the criminals.
So, yes.... they will leave.
The middle class is getting smaller. If you are securly in the middle class and doing well and you’re ok with a 20% cut to your social security, vote republican.
If you are going to need your social security, you’re a fool being a republican.
I actually don't believe that America was ever not great. At least thus far. America has never ceased being great.
The only people who think that America has declined, are the fools who have never lived, or been elsewhere, or know people who live elsewhere.
I do. I've been to Europe. I know people who live in Europe right now. And if you think America is not better than Europe, or the rest of the world, you are crazy. You don't know what you are talking about.
People in Europe live lower standards of living, universally. Smaller houses, smaller cars, smaller appliances, less spending money, less entertainment.
There is no possible way to measure the standards of living in the rest of the world, and compare to the US, and not have the US be better.
Why do think we have millions of people trying to get into this country? It's one of the most baffling aspects of Left-wing contradictions, that you want open borders to let people freely come into the country, and at the same time claim the country is declining and everything is terrible, and America is racists and evil.
Those are mutually exclusive positions. People don't risk their lives, to get into places that are terrible.
The middle class is struggling big time. Compared to our parents most of you are lower middle class actually.
No, I don't buy that. You show me one person who walked the exact same path as their parents, and is worse off.
I'm not making the same money as my parents, but that's because I am not in the same career as my parents.
I have relatives, where their parents were wielders. Their son, became a wielder too. Their son is make more money than his parents did, when they were his age.
I know engineers, and they make more money in engineering than their parents who were engineers.
And as far as the standard of living.... no you are still crazy.
My standard of living today, is better than my parents when they were my age. By quite a bit too.
My house is bigger, than the house they had at my age. I have had central air conditioning since I was in college, in 1999. My parents didn't have air conditioning until they were in their late 50s. Microwaves, internet, computers, instapots. My parents didn't have cable TV until they were in their late 50s, and in fact, didn't even own a TV until they were in their late 40s.
I've had all of that, and smart phones, and GPS driving directions, and on and on and on.
We today, are miles and miles beyond where are parents were at the same age. You are crazy if you think otherwise. Absolutely crazy.
The poorest WORKING people today, have a higher standard of living, than the middle class of the 1970s. By a MASSIVE margin.
Now if you are living off welfare and unemployment, and not working consistently full time, then yeah, they are falling way behind, and need to get off their butts, and work for what they want.
But the poorest working people putting in full days work every day.... no they are way beyond where the middle class was in the 1970s, or even 1980s.
The middle class is getting smaller. If you are securly in the middle class and doing well and you’re ok with a 20% cut to your social security, vote republican.
If you are going to need your social security, you’re a fool being a republican.
Social Security was going broke before Trump was even running for office.
You are fool if your retirement plan is to depend on Social Security.
Before any of this Covid nonsense happened, SS was going broke. Before Trump was ever elected, SS paid out so little, that you were basically going to live in poverty until you die, if Social Security was your retirement plan.
Anyone who plans to retire on Social Security is an idiot. You need to be saving for your own retirement out of your own income, like everyone else should be doing.
Social Security is the most poverty creating program in US history. Don't be stupid. Save for retirement.
And when I say we’re not better than we were before I mean the middle class. The rich are doing great.
Half of me is working class and half is investor class. As a worker I disagree with you. As an investor I partially agree with you. And when I agree I certainly don’t agree on your suggested remedies.
Again, factually speaking, we are way better off after the 1980s, than before.
If you telling me that the working class, TODAY.... is worse off, than the working class of the 1970s.... or before.... you are crazy. You are factually incorrect sir.
We are way way way better off than the people in the 1970s or before.
The middle class TODAY... is better off than the middle class of the 1970s.
And yes, investors are better off too. You know who is an investor? Likely.... 70% of the population?
55% of people have investments in the stock market.
65% have property investments.
15% have pensions, which are in fact investments, typically in the stock market.
And there are millions with annuities, and those are typically invested in stocks too.
And by the way, there is a connection between investment and labor. Most jobs wouldn't exist without investment.
So while someone might claim "The investor class is doing well, but the working class is not".... really? Because without the investments, hundreds of millions of jobs wouldn't exist, and those workers would be far worse off.
Today to do as well you have to go to college and how much does that cost? So blue collar are not better off today and back in my day college was $5000 a year. I worked in the summer and saved most of my tuition. Maybe my dad had to chip in $1000 a year so I didn’t need student loans.
And honestly, for years I had a college degree but wasn’t doing as well as my dad did. I am now but that is common now especially for millennials. First generation who won’t do better than their parents.
I may make more than my dad ever did but am I better off? Fuck no. My dad has great retirement benefits through ford. And a pension. He took the buy out.
Oh yea and me. I make $100k a year give or take now. Have for the past 5 years. I’m 49. So let’s say I’ve got to at least work till I’m 62 to collect social security and Medicare. If they let me retire with those things at 62 I will I don’t care how much I lose for retiring early.
BUT. If I would have went to work at ford when I graduated highschool at 17, I’d already be getting a 30 year pension 2 years ago. At the age of 47. So even though I’m balling and have no debt, I’m still going to have to work 15 more years than if I would have just taken that union job at ford.
plus i wouldn’t have spent that $20,000 on a bachelors degree.
But you, if you really make more than me, you should vote republican. But if you don’t you shouldn’t.
Arent you that fat foreign guy? Maybe I’m confusing you with someone else?
Because republicans won’t go after illegal employers. So they arent really trying to kick illegals out. A wall. Ha!
Because trumps fixes to nafta and trade with ch8na did nothing to help labor. And only american companies a little. Only enough for trump to claim a victory.
Youre being conned
But I’m not so against lower wages anymore. As long as it’s not my wages. You and I make more than the average american with two kids. I’m not worrying about them anymore
but remember you admitted that if you made what they all make, your be depressed. So why should they vote like you vote when you’re for lower wages for them?
That’s just one example.
Do you even have to ask?
Republicans applaud companies who’s CEOs make the most but employees make the least.
We have looked it up. There is no example of lower pay.
You show me the example of lower pay. You show me the wielder that in 1970 was earning $50/hour, and today is earning $10/hour.
There is no such example anywhere. None. Zero. Even adjusted for inflation, no such example.
We have looked it up. You are wrong. This is why we are asking you to look it up, so you can educate yourself on your false beliefs.
People have moved UP.... UP from the middle class to the upper class.
This isn't a negative.
I disagree. Companies do not just cease to exist.
They simply move.
Detroit in the 1950s, had the highest standard of living in the world. Literally every knew that Detroit was THE place to be.
While Detroit declined, the nation still advanced.
How did that happen? The companies moved. The people moved. It was Atlas Shrugged, for cities.
If Seattle were to implode. The good people, the people with skills, talent, business ability, and companies.... will simply go elsewhere.
That's how that works.
So I'm fine with letting Seattle burn.
Now if you allow the entire country to end up like left-wing crap holes... then companies will move out of the country. Now that would be a big problem. Then you'll have Atlas Shrugged for the country.
However, I should mention that if it got that bad in the US, I would likely move myself, so I still wouldn't care what happens.
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.....you just proved beyond a doubt that you are full of shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Look it upPROOF PLEASE--you just babbled..how about some facts and figures--FOR ONCE!!!!Look at companies like Toyota and Honda Compared to ford and gm. More temps than full time employees.lower pay?? how so?More jobs but lower paying.Not true at all. Fewer regulations equates to more business openings and expansion and more jobs. Trump brought jobs back and halted corporate inversions.Republicans are against paying labor more too. Driving wages down. How? By sending jobs overseas and hiring illegal workersUnions are stupid. Republicans are for lower taxes and fewer regulations. You’re uneducated by your own admission so please stop trying to sound smart.Because republicans are against employees unionizing. Their way brought wages down.How so?Ha! I was just telling a guy name unkotare how they use gay to con poor and middle class Americans into voting republican. Without these wedge issues like guns, racism, abortion these people would have no business voting republican. Republicans are not pro labor. Period.I vote Republican because Democrats tell me that men may identity as womenWhy should people who make $60k and have $100,000 in student loan debt vote republican? You probably like that th3 ceo makes 300x what they make right?If I only made $100k per yr I would be depressed.Honestly I grew up in the 70s and 80s in metro Detroit. Back then a guy could graduate high school and go find a job that would support a family of 5. One income. One bread winner.We don’t have to be worse than Europe. Maybe we’re still better but not as much as we were before Reagan bush and trump.Then don’t expect America to be great again. Not if you are middle class. The middle class is struggling big time. Compared to our parents most of you are lower middle class actually.Hey, if you want to live or do business in ny you have to pay. Otherwise go to Alabama. Use their ports and tear up their roads.It is way too expensive to live in nyc. People who worked in nyc but now work from home have moved to places where their salaries go a lot further.Has the mayor figured out how to blame Trump yet ?
The number of empty rental apartments in Manhattan nearly tripled compared with last year, as more New Yorkers fled the city and prices declined.
There were more than 15,000 empty rental apartments in Manhattan in August, up from 5,600 a year ago, according to a report from Douglas Elliman and Miller Samuel. The inventory of empty units is the largest ever recorded since data started being collected 14 years ago, the report said.
Manhattan rental market plunges, leaving 15,000 empty apartments in August
Hopes for a rebound in the fall or the end of 2020 look increasingly unlikely. Although rental prices have come down, the discounts are not steep enough yet to lure new renters back to the city.
Shuli on the Howard stern show moved to Alabama. With what he makes he’s rich in Alabama. If you can work from home why live in a city where $100,000 a year is not a lot?
And whose fault is that?
You jack up taxes, jack up regulations, jack up housing policy, jack up the police so that crime is everywhere, which increases costs on the city.... and then you say "It's too expensive to live there" as if that just fell out of the sky randomly.
No it didn't. Bad policies caused this.
And by the way, they could have had thousands of well paying jobs in NYC when Amazon built an HQ there, but AOC drove them out. Brilliant.
Well that's kind of my point. They are not, and they leaving.
People are leaving NYC. That's the point. This is true everywhere.
When France implemented their wealth tax... they said the same thing. "Hey, if you want to live and do business in France, you have to pay!"
and you know what happened????
Wealth tax is forcing 12,000 millionaires PER YEAR out of France
Edouard Philippe defended President Emmanuel Macrons' new tax break for the wealthiest, saying it is needed stem the increasing flow of the richest leaving France.
They left! They were packing up their wealthy, their businesses, and their families, and leaving.
Famously in Jamaica, when PM Manly passed all his socialist crap.... he said openly "There are six flights a day to Miami"... and people started taking the flights to Miami. They left.
You can't hurt the rich. Only yourself. It was poor people of Jamaica that end up dealing with the joblessness and high crime.
The rich left.
Same in NYC. The rich are leaving. The poor are stuck jobless, and victimized by the criminals.
So, yes.... they will leave.
The middle class is getting smaller. If you are securly in the middle class and doing well and you’re ok with a 20% cut to your social security, vote republican.
If you are going to need your social security, you’re a fool being a republican.
I actually don't believe that America was ever not great. At least thus far. America has never ceased being great.
The only people who think that America has declined, are the fools who have never lived, or been elsewhere, or know people who live elsewhere.
I do. I've been to Europe. I know people who live in Europe right now. And if you think America is not better than Europe, or the rest of the world, you are crazy. You don't know what you are talking about.
People in Europe live lower standards of living, universally. Smaller houses, smaller cars, smaller appliances, less spending money, less entertainment.
There is no possible way to measure the standards of living in the rest of the world, and compare to the US, and not have the US be better.
Why do think we have millions of people trying to get into this country? It's one of the most baffling aspects of Left-wing contradictions, that you want open borders to let people freely come into the country, and at the same time claim the country is declining and everything is terrible, and America is racists and evil.
Those are mutually exclusive positions. People don't risk their lives, to get into places that are terrible.
The middle class is struggling big time. Compared to our parents most of you are lower middle class actually.
No, I don't buy that. You show me one person who walked the exact same path as their parents, and is worse off.
I'm not making the same money as my parents, but that's because I am not in the same career as my parents.
I have relatives, where their parents were wielders. Their son, became a wielder too. Their son is make more money than his parents did, when they were his age.
I know engineers, and they make more money in engineering than their parents who were engineers.
And as far as the standard of living.... no you are still crazy.
My standard of living today, is better than my parents when they were my age. By quite a bit too.
My house is bigger, than the house they had at my age. I have had central air conditioning since I was in college, in 1999. My parents didn't have air conditioning until they were in their late 50s. Microwaves, internet, computers, instapots. My parents didn't have cable TV until they were in their late 50s, and in fact, didn't even own a TV until they were in their late 40s.
I've had all of that, and smart phones, and GPS driving directions, and on and on and on.
We today, are miles and miles beyond where are parents were at the same age. You are crazy if you think otherwise. Absolutely crazy.
The poorest WORKING people today, have a higher standard of living, than the middle class of the 1970s. By a MASSIVE margin.
Now if you are living off welfare and unemployment, and not working consistently full time, then yeah, they are falling way behind, and need to get off their butts, and work for what they want.
But the poorest working people putting in full days work every day.... no they are way beyond where the middle class was in the 1970s, or even 1980s.
The middle class is getting smaller. If you are securly in the middle class and doing well and you’re ok with a 20% cut to your social security, vote republican.
If you are going to need your social security, you’re a fool being a republican.
Social Security was going broke before Trump was even running for office.
You are fool if your retirement plan is to depend on Social Security.
Before any of this Covid nonsense happened, SS was going broke. Before Trump was ever elected, SS paid out so little, that you were basically going to live in poverty until you die, if Social Security was your retirement plan.
Anyone who plans to retire on Social Security is an idiot. You need to be saving for your own retirement out of your own income, like everyone else should be doing.
Social Security is the most poverty creating program in US history. Don't be stupid. Save for retirement.
And when I say we’re not better than we were before I mean the middle class. The rich are doing great.
Half of me is working class and half is investor class. As a worker I disagree with you. As an investor I partially agree with you. And when I agree I certainly don’t agree on your suggested remedies.
Again, factually speaking, we are way better off after the 1980s, than before.
If you telling me that the working class, TODAY.... is worse off, than the working class of the 1970s.... or before.... you are crazy. You are factually incorrect sir.
We are way way way better off than the people in the 1970s or before.
The middle class TODAY... is better off than the middle class of the 1970s.
And yes, investors are better off too. You know who is an investor? Likely.... 70% of the population?
55% of people have investments in the stock market.
65% have property investments.
15% have pensions, which are in fact investments, typically in the stock market.
And there are millions with annuities, and those are typically invested in stocks too.
And by the way, there is a connection between investment and labor. Most jobs wouldn't exist without investment.
So while someone might claim "The investor class is doing well, but the working class is not".... really? Because without the investments, hundreds of millions of jobs wouldn't exist, and those workers would be far worse off.
Today to do as well you have to go to college and how much does that cost? So blue collar are not better off today and back in my day college was $5000 a year. I worked in the summer and saved most of my tuition. Maybe my dad had to chip in $1000 a year so I didn’t need student loans.
And honestly, for years I had a college degree but wasn’t doing as well as my dad did. I am now but that is common now especially for millennials. First generation who won’t do better than their parents.
I may make more than my dad ever did but am I better off? Fuck no. My dad has great retirement benefits through ford. And a pension. He took the buy out.
Oh yea and me. I make $100k a year give or take now. Have for the past 5 years. I’m 49. So let’s say I’ve got to at least work till I’m 62 to collect social security and Medicare. If they let me retire with those things at 62 I will I don’t care how much I lose for retiring early.
BUT. If I would have went to work at ford when I graduated highschool at 17, I’d already be getting a 30 year pension 2 years ago. At the age of 47. So even though I’m balling and have no debt, I’m still going to have to work 15 more years than if I would have just taken that union job at ford.
plus i wouldn’t have spent that $20,000 on a bachelors degree.
But you, if you really make more than me, you should vote republican. But if you don’t you shouldn’t.
Arent you that fat foreign guy? Maybe I’m confusing you with someone else?
Because republicans won’t go after illegal employers. So they arent really trying to kick illegals out. A wall. Ha!
Because trumps fixes to nafta and trade with ch8na did nothing to help labor. And only american companies a little. Only enough for trump to claim a victory.
Youre being conned
But I’m not so against lower wages anymore. As long as it’s not my wages. You and I make more than the average american with two kids. I’m not worrying about them anymore
but remember you admitted that if you made what they all make, your be depressed. So why should they vote like you vote when you’re for lower wages for them?
That’s just one example.
Do you even have to ask?
Republicans applaud companies who’s CEOs make the most but employees make the least.
....just like racism and police brutality--bullshit
Has the mayor figured out how to blame Trump yet ?
The number of empty rental apartments in Manhattan nearly tripled compared with last year, as more New Yorkers fled the city and prices declined.
There were more than 15,000 empty rental apartments in Manhattan in August, up from 5,600 a year ago, according to a report from Douglas Elliman and Miller Samuel. The inventory of empty units is the largest ever recorded since data started being collected 14 years ago, the report said.
Manhattan rental market plunges, leaving 15,000 empty apartments in August
Hopes for a rebound in the fall or the end of 2020 look increasingly unlikely. Although rental prices have come down, the discounts are not steep enough yet to lure new renters back to the city.
The only thing big cities are good for are keeping the pavement pounders out of the country areas.
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