145 Democrats vote against bill to deport migrants who commit sexual assault

Some Democrats argue that the bill actually harms immigrants who are victims of domestic violence. There is no exception for people who fight back In self defense against their abusers or are accused of violence themselves by their abusers. In other words, some Democrats voted against it because the bill is flawed, not because of the substance of the bill.
 
Except Ibarra had been granted political asylum because Venezuela elected a government we don't like.

That was kind of the problem there.

Nothing he did before he killed Laken Riley was that big of a deal. Nothing that would have even been a mild inconvenience to a white person.



I am. They don't have documentation, so they are undocumented. No one is "illegal".



You mean the ones that take years to resolve because there are so few judges to hear them?

Eh..Political asylum. I get that life in Venezuela is not good, but does EVERY citizen live in fear of persecution by the government?
 
Eh..Political asylum. I get that life in Venezuela is not good, but does EVERY citizen live in fear of persecution by the government?

I wouldn't know.

Maybe if we didn't impose sanctions on them, things there wouldn't be so bad.

I'm all for having hearings on each individual case, but the problem is, the case backlog for asylum cases is something like five years right now. My wife waited 7 years and never got a hearing.
 
I wouldn't know.

Maybe if we didn't impose sanctions on them, things there wouldn't be so bad.

I'm all for having hearings on each individual case, but the problem is, the case backlog for asylum cases is something like five years right now. My wife waited 7 years and never got a hearing.
Sure, because during the last 4 years, there was no filter on these things. They weren't using any discretion, they just said "come one, come all"

Asylum is to be used for a tyrannical government persecuting someone. If the government is persecuting 6000 people each day, then that is a problem that needs to be solved in other ways.

Let's put it this way, if the reason we are getting that many illegals is from government persecution, then why don't we try to remedy that problem, and why do we give these countries aid, that are supposedly persecuting their citizens?
 
Sure, because during the last 4 years, there was no filter on these things. They weren't using any discretion, they just said "come one, come all"

Asylum is to be used for a tyrannical government persecuting someone. If the government is persecuting 6000 people each day, then that is a problem that needs to be solved in other ways.

Let's put it this way, if the reason we are getting that many illegals is from government persecution, then why don't we try to remedy that problem, and why do we give these countries aid, that are supposedly persecuting their citizens?

We don't remedy the problem because we don't have the military capability or economic capability to do so, dummy.

It's one thing to put sanctions on Venezuela... it's another to invade it.

We should have a Marshall Plan for Latin America, but we don't.

The reason why Asylum has become such a dodge is that Trump and Human Reptile Steven Miller dismantled much of the system to resolve these cases, thinking that would stop people from coming.

It didn't and it won't.
 
Except we really aren't.

Our laws also allow for people to come here and claim asylum, but Trump is now denying them the ability to do that.
Asylum is done for people who are being killed or persecuted by their governments. These people aren’t, so they can’t legally be granted asylum. You obviously dont know what you’re talking about here. This is back door illegal immigration.

Biden and the Democrats tried to side step the law, and succeeded for a bit, but we need to the law to be applied, and that’s what you have a problem with. The law. We’re returning to normal and, as is common amongst leftists, you view normal as extremely right wing. That’s because you’re so far out radically that even moderate policies are extremism to you
 

Why Are Democrats Joining Republicans and Voting for the Anti-Immigrant Laken Riley Act?​


On Monday, the Senate passed the Laken Riley Act, its first move after President Trump's inauguration. The measure will now go back to the House, where it is expected to pass, and will probably be the first piece of legislation the new president signs into law. The bipartisan bill is named after the Georgia nursing student who was murdered by an undocumented migrant last year.

It's no surprise that Republicans supported this measure, as it aims to crack down on migrant crime. What's mystifying is why some Democrats got behind this bill to hand Trump a victory on his signature issue. The Laken Riley Act is legally, logistically, and constitutionally unsound—and misguided Democrats helped make it happen.


In the heat of the moment Dems voted to authorize Shrub to take military action against Iraq. It was a mistake that came back to haunt them. Voting for this bill will too.
 
Asylum is done for people who are being killed or persecuted by their governments. These people aren’t, so they can’t legally be granted asylum. You obviously dont know what you’re talking about here. This is back door illegal immigration.

Actually, my wife applied for asylum when she first came here.

The standard is a lot lower than, "I think they want to kill me."



Every year people come to the United States seeking protection because they have suffered persecution or fear that they will suffer persecution due to:

  • Race
  • Religion
  • Nationality
  • Membership in a particular social group
  • Political opinion
You may only file this application if you are physically present in the United States, and you are not a U.S. citizen.




Biden and the Democrats tried to side step the law, and succeeded for a bit, but we need to the law to be applied, and that’s what you have a problem with. The law. We’re returning to normal and, as is common amongst leftists, you view normal as extremely right wing. That’s because you’re so far out radically that even moderate policies are extremism to you

I think sending people back to countries where they can be oppressed is Wrong Wing, dummy.

As I said, Trump's policies will be very unpopular once people start seeing the human cost.
 
We don't remedy the problem because we don't have the military capability or economic capability to do so, dummy.

It's one thing to put sanctions on Venezuela... it's another to invade it.

We should have a Marshall Plan for Latin America, but we don't.

The reason why Asylum has become such a dodge is that Trump and Human Reptile Steven Miller dismantled much of the system to resolve these cases, thinking that would stop people from coming.

It didn't and it won't.

We absolutely have the military and economic capability. Why would you say otherwise?

We've spent 174B so far in Ukraine to help with Russia invading them, you're saying we can't afford to send our military to a country that is allegedly persecuting it's citizens? How does Ukraine get so lucky to get our help but others don't?

The reason asylum has become an issue is because democrats didn't stop anyone from using as a free pass into the country. In fact, they lit up a neon sign with arrows pointing at our border, inviting everyone to come on over..
 
We absolutely have the military and economic capability. Why would you say otherwise?

We spent 20 years trying to subdue Afghanistan and Iraq, and failed miserably.

Why do you think we'd do better in Venezuela?

We've spent 174B so far in Ukraine to help with Russia invading them, you're saying we can't afford to send our military to a country that is allegedly persecuting it's citizens? How does Ukraine get so lucky to get our help but others don't?

Well, to start with, Ukraine is doing their own fighting, and they are being invaded by a foreign country. This isn't what you are talking about. You are talking about invading Venezuela (and perhaps other countries) to topple bad governments so they stop sending brown people over here to ruin your nice white neighborhood.

The reason asylum has become an issue is because democrats didn't stop anyone from using as a free pass into the country. In fact, they lit up a neon sign with arrows pointing at our border, inviting everyone to come on over..

Nope. In fact, that majority of people who came here were sent home, only a very small sliver are awaiting asylum hearings. Biden tried to dedicate more resources to the problem, but Trump told Republicans to tank their own deal.
 
Every year people come to the United States seeking protection because they have suffered persecution or fear that they will suffer persecution due to:

  • Race
  • Religion
  • Nationality
  • Membership in a particular social group
  • Political opinion
Notice none of those are “because they want to come here”

You have to prove persecution. Your side wants it to be for any reason (aka open borders). Such a policy is dangerous, increases drugs and child trafficking, and harms the livelihoods of Americans. You ought to be ashamed of yourselves for doing so. Meanwhile, You ignore these horrible occurrences so you can virtue signal some sort of naive compassion, but it’s mere selfish narcissism. Go ahead and invite illegals into your home if you’re so caring and awesome. As usual, you want to tell other people what they should do while you avoid lifting any fingers

Thankfully your ideology was smacked to the floor, and now Trump is implementing the mandate he recieved from the American people. We need to start undoing the damage your ideology caused
 
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We spent 20 years trying to subdue Afghanistan and Iraq, and failed miserably.

Why do you think we'd do better in Venezuela?

We topped saddam and graddafi, you think we couldn't do it to Venezuela?


Well, to start with, Ukraine is doing their own fighting, and they are being invaded by a foreign country. This isn't what you are talking about. You are talking about invading Venezuela (and perhaps other countries) to topple bad governments so they stop sending brown people over here to ruin your nice white neighborhood.

appreciate that. Once again you have shown it is the left, who, in any given situation, bring up race. Its always you guys...all the time.

My point was, we help liberate other countries all the time, but the one that is supplying a steady stream of illegals into our country, you all seem to be not concerned about.

Also don't lecture me about brown people coming here, it was biden who told the Cubans there was no room for them here. I guess they were the wrong kind of brown.

Nope. In fact, that majority of people who came here were sent home, only a very small sliver are awaiting asylum hearings. Biden tried to dedicate more resources to the problem, but Trump told Republicans to tank their own deal.

You have had at least 12 million crossings in the last 4 years. Crossing spiked under biden and didn't start coming down until campaign season started.
 
Notice none of those are “because they want to come here”

You have to prove persecution.

A couple of points, even if you lack the honesty to answer them.

I would argue that once we've declared a country an abuser of human rights (such as China or Venezuela) we've already created the case that these people are victims of oppression.

But I don't even have to go that far.

I give you the case of the Romeike family. They have been here for 18 years, claiming asylum from Germany. In their case for Asylum, Germany doesn't allow Home Schooling (an enlightened policy), and they were upset that their kids might hear opinions contrary to their own. Now, this is UTTER BULLSHIT, but because they've become a caus celebre among the Mouth Breathing Christian Right, So even though their claims were rejected years ago and their kids are all big enough to not be in school anymore, we just haven't had the guts to throw their asses out.


Such a policy is dangerous, increases drugs and child trafficking, and harms the livelihoods of Americans. You ought to be ashamed of yourselves for doing so. Meanwhile, You ignore these horrible occurrences so you can virtue signal some sort of naive compassion, but it’s mere selfish narcissism. Go ahead and invite illegals into your home if you’re so caring and awesome. As usual, you want to tell other people what they should do while you avoid lifting any fingers

Well, here's the thing. My wife is from China and she originally claimed asylum for her religious beliefs. I've spent about $4000 getting her straight with USCIS. If you want to talk about why the system is broken, there's a great case. I had to submit 200 pages of documents and spend thousands of dollars to prove I married a person who the government already admits came from an oppressive country.

hankfully your ideology was smacked to the floor, and now Trump is implementing the mandate he recieved from the American people. We need to start undoing the damage your ideology caused

Guy, people were upset about inflation, not that they agree with Trump's garbage. By this time next year, his approval ratings will be lower than Biden's.
 
We topped saddam and graddafi, you think we couldn't do it to Venezuela?

And look how well those turned out! You are defeating your own argument.

appreciate that. Once again you have shown it is the left, who, in any given situation, bring up race. Its always you guys...all the time.

My point was, we help liberate other countries all the time, but the one that is supplying a steady stream of illegals into our country, you all seem to be not concerned about.

Also don't lecture me about brown people coming here, it was biden who told the Cubans there was no room for them here. I guess they were the wrong kind of brown.

Stop acting like a racist, and I'll stop pointing it out.

As a pure practical matter, as oppressive a bastard as Maduro is, a sizeable portion of Venezuelans keep voting for him. A sizeable portion of people didn't vote for him, but they would still treat an American invasion like the enemy. (Just like a lot of people who opposed Saddam and Qadaffi eventually turned their guns on us.)


You have had at least 12 million crossings in the last 4 years. Crossing spiked under biden and didn't start coming down until campaign season started.

And how many of those 12 million were allowed to stay? How many were sent back or refused entry at the border? This is the number you guys never seem to give.

The best number I've been able to find is that 3 million have been allowed to stay while their cases are being heard. The rest were returned immediately or shortly afterwards.

 
Some Democrats argue that the bill actually harms immigrants who are victims of domestic violence. There is no exception for people who fight back In self defense against their abusers or are accused of violence themselves by their abusers. In other words, some Democrats voted against it because the bill is flawed, not because of the substance of the bill.
How does it harm victims of domestic abuse?

Be specific and quote the actual bill, not some hack politician.

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And look how well those turned out! You are defeating your own argument.

It's not about how it turned out, it's that we have the capability to do it.

Stop acting like a racist, and I'll stop pointing it out.

Lol, that's just it. EVERYTHING is racist to you all. Not a thing I have said was racist, but you all just spit that word out every chance you get.


As a pure practical matter, as oppressive a bastard as Maduro is, a sizeable portion of Venezuelans keep voting for him. A sizeable portion of people didn't vote for him, but they would still treat an American invasion like the enemy. (Just like a lot of people who opposed Saddam and Qadaffi eventually turned their guns on us.)

So if the people like him enough to keep voting for him, then why are they showing up at our border claiming asylum? Also, this is not JUST about Venezuela. Its about all of the southern border crossings.

And how many of those 12 million were allowed to stay? How many were sent back or refused entry at the border? This is the number you guys never seem to give.
That's because the number can't be counted. Sure, you can say 3M, but if you add the kniwn gotaways, thag number could be upwards or 5M. Considering we don't really know how many people actually evaded capture, we have no way of knowing.



The best number I've been able to find is that 3 million have been allowed to stay while their cases are being heard. The rest were returned immediately or shortly afterwards.

Again, the true number is unknown.
 

ICYMI: Emmer slams Democrats for voting against bill to deport migrants who commit sexual assault​

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– House Majority Whip Tom Emmer slammed 145 House Democrats for voting against Rep. Nancy Mace’s (SC-01) Preventing Violence Against Women by Illegal Aliens Act, which declares illegal immigrants who have committed sex offenses or domestic violence as inadmissible and deportable.

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Continue to reveal every damn day just what utter pieces of shit they are.
That's not true. The bill affects anyone who knows s simply charged ( not proven guilty ) of a sexual crime. You people are pieces of shit for telling lies.
 
Jesus Christ on a Pogo Stick, do you people do special exercises to stay this stupid?

It's not about how it turned out, it's that we have the capability to do it.
Well, if it didn't turn out well, or even MADE THINGS WORSE, then we didn't have the capability, did we?


So if the people like him enough to keep voting for him, then why are they showing up at our border claiming asylum? Also, this is not JUST about Venezuela. Its about all of the southern border crossings.

You do get that not everyone likes him, right?

Let's try to limit this discussion to Venezuela, m'kay. 50% of the people of Venezuela keep voting for this mutt. 40% vote against him, but can live with him. 10% are in genuine fear for their lives for being enemies of the state.

Yes, if we just took in that 10%, it would be 3 million people looking to get the hell out.


That's because the number can't be counted. Sure, you can say 3M, but if you add the kniwn gotaways, thag number could be upwards or 5M. Considering we don't really know how many people actually evaded capture, we have no way of knowing.

We aren't talking about people who evaded capture, we are talking about the ones Biden supposedly let in.
 
ICE arrested 538 yesterday, including child rapists and Venezuelan gang members....

"Official stats show that as of 6 p.m. ET on Thursday, there were 373 criminal arrests and 165 non-criminal arrests for the day. That includes more than 1,000 removals or repatriations. The agency also arrested 16 gang members, including four belonging to the bloodthirsty Tren de Aragua.

According to ICE records, the arrests included one in Buffalo, New York of an Ecuadorian national convicted of rape. Also in Buffalo, agents arrested Pedro Julio Mejia, a national from the Dominican Republic convicted of sexual conduct against a child.
"


And deportations have begun, just like that...

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Schiff and Dems be like, "who is gonna pic our crops?"

MAGA!
 
Maybe if we didn't impose sanctions on them, things there wouldn't be so bad.
.

It's not our responsibility to manage Venezuela's problems ... Or simply accept everyone that doesn't want to live there.
Asylum is just another miserable excuse people are willing to use or accept to promote immigration ...
Without the proper controls.

If you are allowing in more people on an excuse ... Than your courts can handle and properly identify and adjudicate ...
What the fuck makes you think your society, economy and well-being are going to fare any better.

What you're going to end up with ... Is over 300k minors you cannot find.
Don't act like putting sanctions on Venezuela, or improving the Asylum process ...
Is going to eliminate the fact our aiding and embedding criminal activity, with your lax ideology that we're capable of handling ...
What we clearly aren't capable of handling.

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