14 y.o. black intrudor shot and killed in Louisiana, white home owner arrested.

[Katzndogz]

At 14 Marshall Coulter was already an accomplished burglar. I hope that he recovers and is able to answer for his crimes.

There is a surveillance video, if that video shows anything resembling Coulter reaching for his waistband, Landry's charges will be dropped.

He was reaching for.......

I already acknowledged him being a piece of shit thief. But THIS shoot was wrong. I honestly think this shooter I'd going down for this.one. he should have waited until the kid broke in and blew his ******* head off. Period. Well, at least that is the law here and I fully support that.

I think he should have waited too. That's what I would have done. Then blown his head clean off his body emptying the clip.

However, if the surveillance video shows this burglar making a move, even if he was only hiking up his pants, this is going to be a good shoot.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Unless the homeowner were outside the home, I don't really see any rationale for 'reasonable fear.' Then SYG would be justified. But if he were in the house, the perp out in the yard, even a small yard Mr. Homeowner was never in any danger. If the perp broke into the house, though, that would be a horse of a different color.

He went to investigate why his dog was barking and found an intruder in his yard that made a threatening move. If he had been a cop investigating a barking dog he could have shot the kid and the dog and the cops would have given him a medal.

Christ. Here we go . No evidence to support him making a "threatening" move. What else is the shooter going to say?

As usual, you missed the point of my post. If this had been a cop in the exact same situation you would be supporting him 100%.

 

[Missourian]

Let's wait and see the video.

IMO, this is more clear cut than Zimmerman.

Kid was where he shouldn't have been...the homeowner really wasn't expecting to find a person inside the secure area behind the locked fence.

Startled, he announces himself.

FYI, when you have a firearm, it is not a stretch to assume the intruder has one as well, especially in N.O. with it's high murder rate.

The homeowner sees what he believes is a reach for a weapon and shoots.

No one is going to convict this guy.

The trespasser Climbing over a locked gate is responsible for the outcome of this encounter.

It's not like he was cutting across the lawn, if that was the case, I'd agree that the homeowner was not justified...but being surprised by an intruder behind a locked gate is a different situation altogether.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The kid should of never jumped over the fence onto his property. Of course you fools are going to say that's ok but it really isn't.

The guy shouldn't of shot him unless the kid was a threat. He may in fact be convicted of murder for what he did. But don't sit there in tell me that this kid was innocent. We need to teach our kids not to do stuff like this.

Who says he was an innocent kid. He is a ******* thief, but in THIS instance the shooter is wrong. You cat shoot someone for being in your yard. Especially not an unarmed perp.

He climbed over a pretty substantial wall to get there, that alone justifies the shooting, especially at 2AM.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Christ. Here we go . No evidence to support him making a "threatening" move. What else is the shooter going to say?

The guy over reacted but we need to teach our children to respect someone's property. Do you agree?

A stern verbal 'get off my lawn" and a bullet?

Get off my lawn? Seriously?

 

[driveby]

The kid should of never jumped over the fence onto his property. Of course you fools are going to say that's ok but it really isn't.

The guy shouldn't of shot him unless the kid was a threat. He may in fact be convicted of murder for what he did. But don't sit there in tell me that this kid was innocent. We need to teach our kids not to do stuff like this.

Who says he was an innocent kid. He is a ******* thief, but in THIS instance the shooter is wrong. You cat shoot someone for being in your yard. Especially not an unarmed perp.

He climbed over a pretty substantial wall to get there, that alone justifies the shooting, especially at 2AM.

I'm sure the perp had perfectly good intentions.....

 

[Zona]

He went to investigate why his dog was barking and found an intruder in his yard that made a threatening move. If he had been a cop investigating a barking dog he could have shot the kid and the dog and the cops would have given him a medal.

Christ. Here we go . No evidence to support him making a "threatening" move. What else is the shooter going to say?

As usual, you missed the point of my post. If this had been a cop in the exact same situation you would be supporting him 100%.

Do you consider those cops who shot that African forty something times because he was 'reaching' for something hero's? Are they hero's? Need a link to that one?

Look, that kid is a piece of shit. If a cop shot him in these circumstances, he would have to pay as well so no, they would not be hero's.

 

[Zona]

Who says he was an innocent kid. He is a ******* thief, but in THIS instance the shooter is wrong. You cat shoot someone for being in your yard. Especially not an unarmed perp.

He climbed over a pretty substantial wall to get there, that alone justifies the shooting, especially at 2AM.

I'm sure the perp had perfectly good intentions.....

Doubtful, he was a damn thief,but this shoot was wrong.

 

[Zona]

The kid should of never jumped over the fence onto his property. Of course you fools are going to say that's ok but it really isn't.

The guy shouldn't of shot him unless the kid was a threat. He may in fact be convicted of murder for what he did. But don't sit there in tell me that this kid was innocent. We need to teach our kids not to do stuff like this.

Who says he was an innocent kid. He is a ******* thief, but in THIS instance the shooter is wrong. You cat shoot someone for being in your yard. Especially not an unarmed perp.

He climbed over a pretty substantial wall to get there, that alone justifies the shooting, especially at 2AM.

Substantial.....holy shit, how wrong can a shoot be with you?

 

[Katzndogz]

The kid intended to burglarize the home, probably intending to get in and let his friend in. There really isn't much of a defense to the attempted burglary charge. If Coulter lives, he'll be under arrest before he leaves the hospital. After that, it's all about the waistband move.

 

[Immanuel]

If the kid is riding bikes with his friend, at a quarter to TWO IN THE MORNING, why is he hopping fences into people's yards? There's something not quite right with the story we're getting...

Based on what we're being told, the kid was shot for trespassing, a bit harsh for the 21st century, but then again, we are talking about New Orleans. The third deadliest city in the U.S. last year, how was the homeowner to know this kid's intentions? He'd been a victim of burglaries a couple of times before... In the wee hours of the morning, how was he to know the kid was a kid? The kid is awaiting trial for burglary, history would lead one to think he was about to commit another.

I don't know... You hate to see a kid lose his future for simple trespassing, but, if you look at the facts we've been provided honestly, you can see where the homeowner's mind was during the encounter.

Another instance of negligent parents, no doubt. But trespassing is not a capital offense. He likely was going to break in. Too bad Mr. Homeowner didn't let that play through. He would likely be entirely in the clear.

I.agree and he would have been justified in killing the little shit but the way it went down was wrong in my opinion.

I would agree from the stated "facts". Of course, what the real facts are is yet to be seen.

Immie

 

[Zona]

Let's wait and see the video.

IMO, this is more clear cut than Zimmerman.

Kid was where he shouldn't have been...the homeowner really wasn't expecting to find a person inside the secure area behind the locked fence.

Startled, he announces himself.

FYI, when you have a firearm, it is not a stretch to assume the intruder has one as well, especially in N.O. with it's high murder rate.

The homeowner sees what he believes is a reach for a weapon and shoots.

No one is going to convict this guy.

The trespasser Climbing over a locked gate is responsible for the outcome of this encounter.

It's not like he was cutting across the lawn, if that was the case, I'd agree that the homeowner was not justified...but being surprised by an intruder behind a locked gate is a different situation altogether.

The dog announced that kid. The shooter was not startled. Christ, there are some on the right saying the right things, you,not so much. You can't kill a kid for being on your lawn. Oh and **** that little thief. He juste should not have been shot THIS time.

 

[Immanuel]

The guy over reacted but we need to teach our children to respect someone's property. Do you agree?

A stern verbal 'get off my lawn" and a bullet?

I agree with what you're saying. I'd of just called the police and flipped on the light.

This guy way over reacted.

And let the dog out?

Immie

 

[Missourian]

Let's wait and see the video.

IMO, this is more clear cut than Zimmerman.

Kid was where he shouldn't have been...the homeowner really wasn't expecting to find a person inside the secure area behind the locked fence.

Startled, he announces himself.

FYI, when you have a firearm, it is not a stretch to assume the intruder has one as well, especially in N.O. with it's high murder rate.

The homeowner sees what he believes is a reach for a weapon and shoots.

No one is going to convict this guy.

The trespasser Climbing over a locked gate is responsible for the outcome of this encounter.

It's not like he was cutting across the lawn, if that was the case, I'd agree that the homeowner was not justified...but being surprised by an intruder behind a locked gate is a different situation altogether.

The dog announced that kid. The shooter was not startled. Christ, there are some on the right saying the right things, you,not so much. You can't kill a kid for being on your lawn. Oh and **** that little thief. He juste should not have been shot THIS time.

My dog barks at cats and raccoon in the garbage cans.

The guy wasn't on the lawn, he had scaled a six foot locked wrought iron gate.

I go out and check on strange noises all the time...but I never really expect to find anyone out there.

Why?

Because I check out strange noises all the time, and I've never encountered anyone.

Understand what I'm saying?

I'm not going to call the police, because I expect it to be a false alarm...because it is always a false alarm.

Just because your dog is barking doesn't mean you really expect to find an intruder.

 

[bodecea]

Zimmerman Redux, Merritt Landry | Louisiana Self-defense - Downtrend.com

Hazouri reports that Landry, who has a baby daughter and whose wife is pregnant, believed that the victim was trying to break into his house. “All I know is that Merritt had told his family that he had said: ‘Freeze!’ and it looked like the guy turned at him and had his hand on his hip,” Hazouri reported.

The rear door of Merritt Landry’s home, and the driveway where car was parked, when Landry came upon intruder at 2:00AM.

Landry has been charged with attempted second degree murder. His bond was set to $10,000; he posted bond late Friday afternoon. Landry works for the City of New Orleans as a building inspector. The city says he has been placed on emergency suspension without pay pending the outcome of this case.

This is getting ridiculous. The prosecutor is going after this man only because he is a white man who killed a black man, and had it been a black man who killed that young man no one would have said shit.

Do people realize what this will lead to if it keeps up?

Everyone knows that in Louisianna, "Freeze" means "shoot"! Just ask the Japanese.

 

[Wildman]

Its an opinion piece, so I would like a better source.

Also, the boy does appear to have broken into the property, by scaling the fence, however, he wasn't inside the residence when he was shot. All the man needed to do was to keep an eye on the rear door and phone the police. He could have shot the boy if, and only if, he entered the property.

He is being charged because his life was not threatened. Someone comes onto your property, your life is not in danger until the assailant comes face to face with you.

ARE YOU ******* SERIOUS ?????

you need to attend a safe gun handling class......., ooops....! i forgot, you are in Australia, that aside, in my self defense class the instructor and CCW instructor both instruct from an FBI, approved class on when to use your weapon to take out a perp, so let's determine what your definition of "F2F" means.. OK?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Who says he was an innocent kid. He is a ******* thief, but in THIS instance the shooter is wrong. You cat shoot someone for being in your yard. Especially not an unarmed perp.

He climbed over a pretty substantial wall to get there, that alone justifies the shooting, especially at 2AM.

Substantial.....holy shit, how wrong can a shoot be with you?

Post some unjustified shootings and find out.

 

[Wildman]

Do we realize what this will to lead to if it keeps up? Yes, it will lead to a serious reassessment of the right for every fool in America to have a gun and to shoot first and ask questions later. It will lead to equality in that if a black person shoots a white person or a white person shoots a black person, they will be arrested and treated equally by the law. That's what it will lead up to. The fact you think that whites are threatened by this kind of thing is pathetic. As a white, you expect to be able to shoot black people with no repercussions: well, guess what: there will be repercussions, and if you don't like it, move to an all white country.

The perp climbed a fence to access the man's property dumbass. What do you think he was doing there? Looking for his Skittles?

""Looking for his Skittles?"..., ha ha good score

truffully he dropped his super sized bag of skittles while climbing over the fence to perform a criminal act !!

 

[OKTexas]

The shooter is relying on the Louisiana Castle statute which is as follows:

§19. Use of force or violence in defense

A. The use of force or violence upon the person of another is justifiable when committed for the purpose of preventing a forcible offense against the person or a forcible offense or trespass against property in a person's lawful possession, provided that the force or violence used must be reasonable and apparently necessary to prevent such offense, and that this Section shall not apply where the force or violence results in a homicide.

B. For the purposes of this Section, there shall be a presumption that a person lawfully inside a dwelling, place of business, or motor vehicle held a reasonable belief that the use of force or violence was necessary to prevent unlawful entry thereto, or to compel an unlawful intruder to leave the premises or motor vehicle, if both of the following occur:

(1) The person against whom the force or violence was used was in the process of unlawfully and forcibly entering or had unlawfully and forcibly entered the dwelling, place of business, or motor vehicle.

(2) The person who used force or violence knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry was occurring or had occurred.

C. A person who is not engaged in unlawful activity and who is in a place where he or she has a right to be shall have no duty to retreat before using force or violence as provided for in this Section and may stand his or her ground and meet force with force.

D. No finder of fact shall be permitted to consider the possibility of retreat as a factor in determining whether or not the person who used force or violence in defense of his person or property had a reasonable belief that force or violence was reasonable and apparently necessary to prevent a forcible offense or to prevent the unlawful entry.

Acts 2006, No. 141, §1.

http://www.legis.state.la.us/lss/lss.asp?doc=78336

This was also reported in the NY Daily News:

A 14-year-old New Orleans boy was shot in the head early Friday morning after a homeowner said the unarmed teen was trying to break into his house.

Homeowner Merritt Landry, 33, who lives in Marigny, allegedly shot Marshall Coulter after fearing for his safety, and told friends and family he thought the teen had a gun.

New Orleans teen shot in the head by man who thought he was burglar: police - NY Daily News

Unfortunately, these types of statutes allow anyone to interpret then utilize them which leads to unnecessary injury or death. I do not have a problem with the man being arrested there will be an investigation and should the facts support his actions he will have be exonerated if not this could serve as a warning to those who may have a predisposition toward acting with out thinking.

This is an important point! People who have guns should not be going around shooting first and asking questions later. "Those who may have a predisposition toward acting without thinking" should not have guns!

What about parents that would allow a 14 year old to be running the streets at 2 AM? Shouldn't they have be facing charges of child neglect resulting in the injury of a child? They should have the same culpability as the guy that pulled the trigger.

 

[Wildman]

i hope the little black thief dies