14 states already?

How is the mandate an income tax? How can they mandate that you buy something from a private entity? If you don't purchase insurance aren't they fining you? Or are they passing that off as a tax?



Its quite simple. If you do not hold health care coverage, a 2.5% tax will be levied on your income, not to exceed the cost of an average plan. You're quite free to not purchase your own insurance, in which case, the government will levy this tax on you, and buy insurance for you, at which point, you're quite free to not actually use if you don't like. That is, of course, until you wind up in an emergency room where your expenses will actually be paid for.
 
How is the mandate an income tax? How can they mandate that you buy something from a private entity? If you don't purchase insurance aren't they fining you? Or are they passing that off as a tax?



Its quite simple. If you do not hold health care coverage, a 2.5% tax will be levied on your income, not to exceed the cost of an average plan. You're quite free to not purchase your own insurance, in which case, the government will levy this tax on you, and buy insurance for you, at which point, you're quite free to not actually use if you don't like. That is, of course, until you wind up in an emergency room where your expenses will actually be paid for.

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The fine (which they are passing off as a 'tax' but we all know it isn't) is not to exceed about $700, correct? So instead of buying expensive health care I can just pay the $700 and uncle will pay for my insurance?
 
Also, the fine is constitutional because they're passing it off as a tax but the actual mandate to purchase something from a private entity . . . where is this in the constitution?
 
Washington State's republican AG said he would go along with filing a lawsuit, problem is he didn't run it by the governor, the cabinet, or the state congress. :lol:
 
How is the mandate an income tax? How can they mandate that you buy something from a private entity? If you don't purchase insurance aren't they fining you? Or are they passing that off as a tax?

It appears they're reaching out and tapping EMPLOYERS with a fine of $700 PER uninsured employee.
 
The law is constitutional. We all pay Medicare and Medicaid taxes. The super neo-corporatists should be thrilled that private industry is getting the windfall of the requirement to purchase health care: free market forces will dictate that competition will drive prices down. And if the American people really don't like it, then the government can collect it and buy insurance for you directly.

Either way, far right conloons, you are in the system legally and constitutionally: there is no out.
 
The law is constitutional. We all pay Medicare and Medicaid taxes. The super neo-corporatists should be thrilled that private industry is getting the windfall of the requirement to purchase health care: free market forces will dictate that competition will drive prices down. And if the American people really don't like it, then the government can collect it and buy insurance for you directly.

Either way, far right conloons, you are in the system legally and constitutionally: there is no out.

We shall see. I do believe it is unconstitutional, but again, we shall see.
 
The law is constitutional. We all pay Medicare and Medicaid taxes. The super neo-corporatists should be thrilled that private industry is getting the windfall of the requirement to purchase health care: free market forces will dictate that competition will drive prices down. And if the American people really don't like it, then the government can collect it and buy insurance for you directly.

Either way, far right conloons, you are in the system legally and constitutionally: there is no out.

We shall see. I do believe it is unconstitutional, but again, we shall see.

States could not overturn Civil Rights Laws or Roe vs Wade

They will lose here also
 
I've looked into it and the main issue states are beginning to file suit over is whether or not they can pass laws exempting their citizens from the "mandate"

The "mandate" is actually an income tax. And no, a state cannot opt out of federal income taxes.


How is demanding an expenditure from a private citizen for a product purchased from a private comapny a tax on income?
 
I've looked into it and the main issue states are beginning to file suit over is whether or not they can pass laws exempting their citizens from the "mandate"

The "mandate" is actually an income tax. And no, a state cannot opt out of federal income taxes.


How is demanding an expenditure from a private citizen for a product purchased from a private comapny a tax on income?

The fine is being defined as a tax. They think if they pretend the fine is a tax they can skirt the Constitution. The Constitution allows the Government to tax. Of course what they FAIL to recall is that the Constitution requires that ALL taxes throughout the several States must be uniform.

A fine(tax) for just those that do not buy health Insurance is NOT uniform so is not legal nor Constitutional.
 
The bill is constitutional. This has already been explained to you and will shortly be explained by the federal courts to the states attorneys general.
 
The law is constitutional. We all pay Medicare and Medicaid taxes. The super neo-corporatists should be thrilled that private industry is getting the windfall of the requirement to purchase health care: free market forces will dictate that competition will drive prices down. And if the American people really don't like it, then the government can collect it and buy insurance for you directly.

Either way, far right conloons, you are in the system legally and constitutionally: there is no out.

We shall see. I do believe it is unconstitutional, but again, we shall see.

States could not overturn Civil Rights Laws or Roe vs Wade

They will lose here also


Civil Rights and Roe vs. Wade had no individual price to pay, no trillion dollar tax liability and no conversion of private sector profit and tax generating business into government cost and waste. Every job that is private sector pays taxes. Every job that is government consumes taxes.

This bill will cannialize private sector jobs and convert them to government jobs. A double dip loss on every converted job.

Social Security and Medicare had huge, bi-partisan majorities.
 
Without the mandate, the bill is a total failure. Stop the mandate and you kill the bill. Charles Kraughthammer, (not sure of the spelling), believes that Obama knows that there is not nearly enough financing for this bill and will soon be pushing for a value added tax, (VAT, national sales tax) to pay for this ugly monster.

If it can't be stopped through the courts, our only other option is repeal.

Maybe we should all just drop our Health insurance policy. It's cheaper to pay the fine/tax.
 
The "mandate" is actually an income tax. And no, a state cannot opt out of federal income taxes.


How is demanding an expenditure from a private citizen for a product purchased from a private comapny a tax on income?

The fine is being defined as a tax. They think if they pretend the fine is a tax they can skirt the Constitution. The Constitution allows the Government to tax. Of course what they FAIL to recall is that the Constitution requires that ALL taxes throughout the several States must be uniform.

A fine(tax) for just those that do not buy health Insurance is NOT uniform so is not legal nor Constitutional.
Then how do states fine you for not having car insurance?
 
I've looked into it and the main issue states are beginning to file suit over is whether or not they can pass laws exempting their citizens from the "mandate"

The "mandate" is actually an income tax. And no, a state cannot opt out of federal income taxes.


How is demanding an expenditure from a private citizen for a product purchased from a private comapny a tax on income?

in much the same way as "corruption" becomes "bartering" cause they will it to be so.. " so let it be written, so shall it be done." :lol::lol::lol:
 
How is demanding an expenditure from a private citizen for a product purchased from a private comapny a tax on income?

The fine is being defined as a tax. They think if they pretend the fine is a tax they can skirt the Constitution. The Constitution allows the Government to tax. Of course what they FAIL to recall is that the Constitution requires that ALL taxes throughout the several States must be uniform.

A fine(tax) for just those that do not buy health Insurance is NOT uniform so is not legal nor Constitutional.
Then how do states fine you for not having car insurance?

You are not mandated to buy auto insurance. You must if you want to drive.
 

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