100,000 PLUS in Madison today?

[Bfgrn]

What?...You haven't logged off yet?

Why are you contributing to all the environmental degradation and destruction you so vociferously decry?

Why aren't you living with the Amish?

Why do you possess the intellectual level of a child Jethro? Maybe when you stop living at home and have children of your own, you will grow up.

 

[Big Fitz]

What?...You haven't logged off yet?

Why are you contributing to all the environmental degradation and destruction you so vociferously decry?

Why aren't you living with the Amish?

Too religious.

 

[Oddball]

What?...You haven't logged off yet?

Why are you contributing to all the environmental degradation and destruction you so vociferously decry?

Why aren't you living with the Amish?

Why do you possess the intellectual level of a child Jethro? Maybe when you stop living at home and have children of your own, you will grow up.

What are you still doing here?

Why is it you can so stridently decry the "evils" of modern living, while so sanctimoniously accepting the benefits?

Log off, sell all your modern trappings and go move in with the Amish.

 

[Chris]

Scott Walker is the embodiment of the banality of evil.

 

[Bfgrn]

What?...You haven't logged off yet?

Why are you contributing to all the environmental degradation and destruction you so vociferously decry?

Why aren't you living with the Amish?

Why do you possess the intellectual level of a child Jethro? Maybe when you stop living at home and have children of your own, you will grow up.

What are you still doing here?

Why is it you can so stridently decry the "evils" of modern living, while so sanctimoniously accepting the benefits?

Log off, sell all your modern trappings and go move in with the Amish.

Hey Einstein, the Amish live in Pennsylvania...COAL country.

Americans are Dying to Support our Fossil Fuel Habit

A new report from the National Research Council of the National Academy of Sciences (NAS) reveals that our energy bills are $120bln higher than they appear due to the "hidden costs" associated with the air pollution created by burning fossil fuels. The NAS report, which was commissioned by the US Treasury on behalf of Congress, estimates that over 90% of these hidden costs are due to premature death, implying that at least 18,000 Americans die each year to support our fossil fuel addiction.

The report concludes that these estimates are conservative as they do not include any costs related to climate change, national security, other pollutants, or the impacts of mountain top coal mining and that if these other costs were included they would raise the hidden cost of fossil fuels far higher than the $878 per household estimated using the assumptions underlying the NAS report.

Paying for our Fossil Fuel Addiction with Our Lives

According to the analysis, over half of these hidden costs come from the burning of coal to generate electric power. We currently burn over a billion tons of coal each year, releasing millions of tons of dangerous pollutants into the air in the process. The NAS report estimates that the "hidden" costs of these emissions at $62bln per year or around $530 per family on average. For people who live east of the Mississippi River, along the Ohio River Valley, in the Middle Atlantic and the South, however, these "hidden" costs are significantly higher as are the risks that these costs may be "paid" for by a loved one.

In sum, Americans are literally dying by the thousands to support our addiction to fossil fuels. In fact, you and I have a better chance of dying from air pollution than we do from homicide. What is more, while the "hidden" costs highlighted in the NAS study are only a small portion of the overall hidden costs associated with our current energy economy, they present an immediate threat to our friends and family that cannot easily be ignored. Costs that should make us even more vigilant in our efforts to pass strong climate change policy and help create a cleaner energy future.

Americans are Dying to Support our Fossil Fuel Habit | from NRDC

Hey Jethro, a question for you; is there anything we can do about it? Do you need a clue?

WHEN will America commit to a comprehensive energy policy? If you look at the COST of NOT making that commitment, the people like you and your Koch brother daddies who oppose clean energy are not fiscal conservatives, we are wasting billions and billions of dollars, and preventing a cleaner, healthier country.

 

[jgarden]

Scott Walker and the Republibans/Tea Party are doing exactly what they are being told to do -create a diversion by finding a "scapegoat."

Look at the money trail - the only group that has financially prospered during the last decade are those who are already wealthy!

The average American is being sold "a bill of goods" - giving the wealthy a "tax break" who will in turn show their appreciation by investing in those multinational corporations that will send even more jobs off-shore next year!

 

[Article 15]

Scott Walker and the Republibans/Tea Party are doing exactly what they are being told to do -create a diversion by finding a "scapegoat."

Look at the money trail - the only group that has financially prospered during the last decade are those who are already wealthy!

The average American is being sold "a bill of goods" - giving the wealthy a "tax break" who will in turn show their appreciation by investing in those multinational corporations that will send even more jobs off-shore next year!

'Round these parts we call dat freedom!

Now shut up and salute!

 

[georgephillip]

Good God...How do you unhinged whackaloons not end up boring yourselves to death?

What part of corporate pollution do you find boring?

The big $ part?

 

[editec]

Good God...How do you unhinged whackaloons not end up boring yourselves to death?

What part of corporate pollution do you find boring?

The big $ part?

The parts that don't jibe with his Ostrich with his head in the sand POV, of course.

If by this time, people are still denying the economic reality of the ongoing class war against the American people??

Expecting them to suddenly see the light is a bit much.

The facts are there for their consideration.

They don't want to admit they are meaningful.

They are either tools or fools.

Either way, you're not going to get through to them.

 

[georgephillip]

There are literally hundreds of local Tea Party Groups. Some of them coordinate activities through various larger organizations.

They are not paid by such organizations the way SEIU thugs are turned into astroturf by the various barackobama.com affiliates.

Do the Koch brothers qualify as thugs?

I don't know. Do you have any evidence that they have vandalized buildings, beaten up people, and left massive amounts of trash lying around in parks and public places?

How about evidence of mass murder?

"The Kochs are longtime libertarians who believe in drastically lower personal and corporate taxes, minimal social services for the needy, and much less oversight of industry—especially environmental regulation.

"These views dovetail with the brothers’ corporate interests.

"In a study released this spring, the University of Massachusetts at Amherst’s Political Economy Research Institute named Koch Industries one of the top ten air polluters in the United States.

 

[georgephillip]

Good God...How do you unhinged whackaloons not end up boring yourselves to death?

What part of corporate pollution do you find boring?

The big $ part?

The parts that don't jibe with his Ostrich with his head in the sand POV, of course.

If by this time, people are still denying the economic reality of the ongoing class war against the American people??

Expecting them to suddenly see the light is a bit much.

The facts are there for their consideration.

They don't want to admit they are meaningful.

They are either tools or fools.

Either way, you're not going to get through to them.

Tools or fools or rich?

Some Americans don't want to believe the rich haven't earned everything they have acquired. I think that's just the result of each generation telling the next another Big Lie.

This particular Lie is the "American Dream".

The first Big Lie I had personal experience with was "Segregation."

In 1966 I was in Texas and met someone who honestly believed ALL Blacks were morally, intellectually and physically inferior to ALL whites.

I'm sure his parents "learned" that Lie from theirs and on and on.

If enough honest conservatives ever see the moral issues of class war as clearly as many have come to see the immorality of segregation, the tools, fools, and the rich will have a whole new set of problems to deal with.

 

[Big Fitz]

Why do you possess the intellectual level of a child Jethro? Maybe when you stop living at home and have children of your own, you will grow up.

What are you still doing here?

Why is it you can so stridently decry the "evils" of modern living, while so sanctimoniously accepting the benefits?

Log off, sell all your modern trappings and go move in with the Amish.

Hey Einstein, the Amish live in Pennsylvania...COAL country.

Americans are Dying to Support our Fossil Fuel Habit

A new report from the National Research Council of the National Academy of Sciences (NAS) reveals that our energy bills are $120bln higher than they appear due to the "hidden costs" associated with the air pollution created by burning fossil fuels. The NAS report, which was commissioned by the US Treasury on behalf of Congress, estimates that over 90% of these hidden costs are due to premature death, implying that at least 18,000 Americans die each year to support our fossil fuel addiction.

The report concludes that these estimates are conservative as they do not include any costs related to climate change, national security, other pollutants, or the impacts of mountain top coal mining and that if these other costs were included they would raise the hidden cost of fossil fuels far higher than the $878 per household estimated using the assumptions underlying the NAS report.

Paying for our Fossil Fuel Addiction with Our Lives

According to the analysis, over half of these hidden costs come from the burning of coal to generate electric power. We currently burn over a billion tons of coal each year, releasing millions of tons of dangerous pollutants into the air in the process. The NAS report estimates that the "hidden" costs of these emissions at $62bln per year or around $530 per family on average. For people who live east of the Mississippi River, along the Ohio River Valley, in the Middle Atlantic and the South, however, these "hidden" costs are significantly higher as are the risks that these costs may be "paid" for by a loved one.

In sum, Americans are literally dying by the thousands to support our addiction to fossil fuels. In fact, you and I have a better chance of dying from air pollution than we do from homicide. What is more, while the "hidden" costs highlighted in the NAS study are only a small portion of the overall hidden costs associated with our current energy economy, they present an immediate threat to our friends and family that cannot easily be ignored. Costs that should make us even more vigilant in our efforts to pass strong climate change policy and help create a cleaner energy future.

Americans are Dying to Support our Fossil Fuel Habit | from NRDC

Hey Jethro, a question for you; is there anything we can do about it? Do you need a clue?

WHEN will America commit to a comprehensive energy policy? If you look at the COST of NOT making that commitment, the people like you and your Koch brother daddies who oppose clean energy are not fiscal conservatives, we are wasting billions and billions of dollars, and preventing a cleaner, healthier country.

Yep... another world beater from Tardtard.

How many Amish coal miners you know of? I'll lay that money at around zero because the technology needed to produce is well... MODERN. The days of Colliers picking and shoveling to donkey pulled carts went away in the 19th Century.

And of course another link to a whacko leftist luddite blogger. Perfect!

 

[Big Fitz]

Here. let's refocus off of Tardtard's deflections and get back on the insanity of the unions that is he issue at hand. Now, from a reputable source, the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel. (Reputable in that it is a published long standing paper of record. YMMV)

It is a war, started by the unions - JSOnline

Here's one point I want to highlight about the bargaining process being corrupted by union representatives on BOTH sides of the negotiation, leaving the tax payer out.

Walker vs. cities. Milwaukee's union-friendly officials, for instance, complained bitterly about Walker ending a city-residency rule and about his plan to expand school choice, calling it hostility toward their city. Not quite. Ending the residency rule for Milwaukee Public Schools employees means that thousands of city residents will be able to live where they choose, a right enjoyed by most everyone else. Allowing families making, say, $45,000 a year to take their state aid to private schools means better schooling for Milwaukeeans. What looks like hostility to institutional Milwaukee is benefit for ordinary people.

Note that little bit there? Union-Friendly Officials. How much you want to bet they were elected to power on union money, campaign assistance and get out the vote efforts in captive districts?

This is just one example of why Walker is justified in snapping the public sector union's neck like a dry twig.

 

[boedicca]

Yep... another world beater from Tardtard.

How many Amish coal miners you know of? I'll lay that money at around zero because the technology needed to produce is well... MODERN. The days of Colliers picking and shoveling to donkey pulled carts went away in the 19th Century.

And of course another link to a whacko leftist luddite blogger. Perfect!

I must note the irony of him linking to a Leftist Luddit Blogger who, but for the modern technology financed by Evul Capitalists, would have to stand on a street corner with a bell shouting Hear Ye Hear Ye to spread his propaganda.

 

[Article 15]

Yep... another world beater from Tardtard.

How many Amish coal miners you know of? I'll lay that money at around zero because the technology needed to produce is well... MODERN. The days of Colliers picking and shoveling to donkey pulled carts went away in the 19th Century.

And of course another link to a whacko leftist luddite blogger. Perfect!

I must note the irony of him linking to a Leftist Luddit Blogger who, but for the modern technology financed by Evul Capitalists, would have to stand on a street corner with a bell shouting Hear Ye Hear Ye to spread his propaganda.

Public money played a huge role in creating the Internet.

 

[boedicca]

Which would have been completely worthless as a consumer service without the orders of magnitude larger investments made by the private sector.

 

[Article 15]

Which would have been completely worthless as a consumer service without the orders of magnitude larger investments made by the private sector.

Those larger investments could not have happened without the infrastructure initially put in place with public money.

The point being don't be such an arrogant douchebag.

 

[editec]

Yep... another world beater from Tardtard.

How many Amish coal miners you know of? I'll lay that money at around zero because the technology needed to produce is well... MODERN. The days of Colliers picking and shoveling to donkey pulled carts went away in the 19th Century.

And of course another link to a whacko leftist luddite blogger. Perfect!

I must note the irony of him linking to a Leftist Luddit Blogger who, but for the modern technology financed by Evul Capitalists, would have to stand on a street corner with a bell shouting Hear Ye Hear Ye to spread his propaganda.

Some day you really ought to look into the REAL STORY of the Luddites.

They were the most tecnologically advanced workers of their age.

They were the guys who first bought and implentmented looms.

And then the centralization of weaving into factories put them out of business..

So contrary to what most of us have been lead to believe, LUDDITES weren't against technology.

Their complaint was about the business model that put them out of business.

Odd, isn't it?

 

[Oddball]

Good God...How do you unhinged whackaloons not end up boring yourselves to death?

What part of corporate pollution do you find boring?

The big $ part?

The parts that don't jibe with his Ostrich with his head in the sand POV, of course.

If by this time, people are still denying the economic reality of the ongoing class war against the American people??

Expecting them to suddenly see the light is a bit much.

The facts are there for their consideration.

They don't want to admit they are meaningful.

They are either tools or fools.

Either way, you're not going to get through to them.

If anyone has their head in the sand, it's the person who ignores trade-offs.

Presuming the numbers are accurate and not tinged by a political agenda (an immense stretch if there ever was one), what would the death tolls be from disease, exposure to the elements, hypothermia, starvation/malnutrition, higher infant mortality, etcetera, without modern electrical generation?

That aside, what does any of this have to do with the thread?

Some of y'all really need to get a grip, man.

 

[boedicca]

Which would have been completely worthless as a consumer service without the orders of magnitude larger investments made by the private sector.

Those larger investments could not have happened without the infrastructure initially put in place with public money.

The point being don't be such an arrogant douchebag.

That is nonsense. Neither of us knows what would have happened if the academic research hadn't existed in the first place. The actual idea for the internet was developed at a private company:

The earliest ideas for a computer network intended to allow general communications among computer users were formulated by computer scientist J. C. R. Licklider, of the Bolt, Beranek and Newman (BBN) company, in August 1962, in memoranda discussing his concept for an “Intergalactic Computer Network”.

ARPANET - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


BBN later one the contract to actually develop ARPANET.

The government didn't invent it. BBN did.