$10.10. A killer for the rich.

[boilermaker55]

You certainly have a long way to go in your economics classes.

Because he knows than Americans don't know their ass from a hole in the ground. As victims of government "education" they do not understand the economic ramifications of such a move.

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And your non-economic degree from that college you never went to I'm sure qualifies you as an expert.

My point precisely.

The parasites and the socialists see it as another welfare benefit.

The fact that you did not try explain how those on a fixed income or the poor can afford to pay for additional expenses tells me that you are another graduate from the Karl Marx School of Business.

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[The T]

It should be FREE MARKET!!! NO minimum wage.

If McDonalds can find people willing to flip burgers for $1 and hour, then so be it, THAT is what their labor is worth.

Im tired if all these left wing fags saying labor is worth more than what the market SAYS its worth.

If you stock shelves at Costco, and Costco can get someone to do it just as well for $3 an hour, then THAT is what your labor is worth. Get over it or get another job.

It's not a matter of "worth". This isn't an algebra equation. It is a TRADE of labor for monetary payment, and should be a FAIR exchange. THAT is what should be the basis of it, not a FREE MARKET. Saying the we should all be slave to a free 100% unregulated market, is like saying we shouldn't take action with the onset of a hurricane, but should instead just let it do it's thing, unrestricted.

You may also note that the extreme view you present is not much held by the American people, who overwhelmingly support raising the minimum wage (which is helpful to business as well as workers)

I believe DoItMyself is right, it is about worth.

It's about what is it worth to you and what is it worth to the company you work for.

Explain what is fair. Which is a very subjective word. IMO

What is fair to you, may not be fair in the eyes of your employer.

It's all in VALUE to the recipient of a good or service and what they'll pay.
Basic market forces and human nature.

 

[protectionist]

Because he knows than Americans don't know their ass from a hole in the ground. As victims of government "education" they do not understand the economic ramifications of such a move.

For 10 years, I owned my own business, and my ex-wife owned another business of her own. For 3 years, I taught this subject (Microeconomics) in 4 colleges of the City University of New York. So I'll be the teacher. You be the student. So now I'm calling on you. What are these alleged "economic ramifications" that you speak of ?

That Big Mac might cost him another quarter.

No reason why it should,

 

[protectionist]

Shouldn't need to explain it to you. It should be common sense. Raising the minimum wage increases the cost of everything. How will those people be able to afford it after inflation?

FALSE! Raising MW has no effect on prices. (generally)

True, because employers find ways to get the jobs done with fewer people.

That's also FALSE , and for the same reason as what you said was "True" about prices.

 

[protectionist]

That's only for federal workers. Which I'm guessing is nearly none of them. How many federal workers do you know working for minimum wage?

And another thing.

10.10 hr x 40 hrs x 52 weeks = 21,008.00

A family of four poverty level is 23,550.00

Good post. The proposed raise is a joke. It goes to a still pitifully low wage, and affects almost nobody.

then lets make it $100/hr. then everyone can live high on the hog, right?

You may think that's a joke, but if employers who could afford it started paying that wage, the economy would surge upward and keep going, with momentum, as it spiraled upward.

PS - why only $100/hour ? When I owned my own business I paid my workers $150/hour (and that was in the 1980s)

 

[The T]

And the last thing we need in this country is a well paid workforce.

Yeah, companies exist just to give people jobs, right?

No, they exist because the public has disposable income through well paying jobs and are willing to spend it. Henry Ford understood this, why can't you.

Really? They exist to make living for the business owner for a good or service that is in DEMAND...that the owner is good at providing...and to make a PROFIT to make the business better, and HOPEFULLY hire more people.

NOT so much anymore in this sabotaged economy. YOU have a lot to learn.
And WHY is Government making it MORE difficult for them to do so with measures like the minimum wage, excessive regulation AND taxation? Can YOU answer that?

 

[protectionist]

Yeah, companies exist just to give people jobs, right?

No, but when they do create jobs, those jobs (for 4o hours of work per week) should be able to reward the worker with a LIVING, and not less than that. 40 hours of work per week is a lot of time sacrificed from someone's free time.

Do you work for a living?

If so, did you negotiate your terms of employment? Like salary, health benefits, vacation, sick leave etc...?

It's not the employers duty to make sure you earn a living wage, that duty falls upon you.

If the terms offered is not up to your standards then stay a Democrat and live off government cheese, But just stop whining.

10-4, BUT I say it most certainly IS the employers duty to offer a LIVING WAGE, and of course it's the worker's duty to earn it. And so do the overwhelming majority of the American people.

I'm retired now, but I worked for a living for 50 years, including 12 years owning my own business.

 

[Contumacious]

You certainly have a long way to go in your economics classes.

And your non-economic degree from that college you never went to I'm sure qualifies you as an expert.

My point precisely.

The parasites and the socialists see it as another welfare benefit.

The fact that you did not try explain how those on a fixed income or the poor can afford to pay for additional expenses tells me that you are another graduate from the Karl Marx School of Business.

.

HUH?


Ahhh, stick to boilermaking.

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[protectionist]

Yeah, companies exist just to give people jobs, right?

No, but when they do create jobs, those jobs (for 4o hours of work per week) should be able to reward the worker with a LIVING, and not less than that. 40 hours of work per week is a lot of time sacrificed from someone's free time.

But then depends on the JOB and the value of such a job, skills, etc. Minimum wage jobs were NEVER meant to be a living wage, but an ENTRY LEVEL wage. Want to get paid more? Excel at it, educate yourself and work hard. You move up, don't you?

Funny how people KNOW the price of everything but the VALUE of nothing.

I disagree. How do you know that person you'll pay MW to doesn't need that money to live on. Entry, middle years, latter years, who cares ? Work is work. You give up 40 hours a week of your life to an employer, he should pay you a living wage for that.
enough of this taking advantage of young people - and there are lots of older people working at minimum wage too. Been in a Target or WalMart lately ?

 

[The T]

No, but when they do create jobs, those jobs (for 4o hours of work per week) should be able to reward the worker with a LIVING, and not less than that. 40 hours of work per week is a lot of time sacrificed from someone's free time.

Do you work for a living?

If so, did you negotiate your terms of employment? Like salary, health benefits, vacation, sick leave etc...?

It's not the employers duty to make sure you earn a living wage, that duty falls upon you.

If the terms offered is not up to your standards then stay a Democrat and live off government cheese, But just stop whining.

10-4, BUT I say it most certainly IS the employers duty to offer a LIVING WAGE, and of course it's the worker's duty to earn it. And so do the overwhelming majority of the American people.

I'm retired now, but I worked for a living for 50 years, including 12 years owning my own business.

NO...an employer offers as much as they can AFFORD to keep their business VIABLE, especially in a bad economy as this one.

Don't like the pay? Don't take the JOB. Why is government forcing employers in a free-market system? SABOTAGE...for CONTROL.

WAKE UP.

 

[protectionist]

No, but when they do create jobs, those jobs (for 4o hours of work per week) should be able to reward the worker with a LIVING, and not less than that. 40 hours of work per week is a lot of time sacrificed from someone's free time.

But then depends on the JOB and the value of such a job, skills, etc. Minimum wage jobs were NEVER meant to be a living wage, but an ENTRY LEVEL wage. Want to get paid more? Excel at it, educate yourself and work hard. You move up, don't you?

Funny how people KNOW the price of everything but the VALUE of nothing.

You are wasting your time. All that good info is going right over his head.

Not hardly. I just answered him in Post # 89.

 

[protectionist]

No, but when they do create jobs, those jobs (for 4o hours of work per week) should be able to reward the worker with a LIVING, and not less than that. 40 hours of work per week is a lot of time sacrificed from someone's free time.

Do you work for a living?

If so, did you negotiate your terms of employment? Like salary, health benefits, vacation, sick leave etc...?

It's not the employers duty to make sure you earn a living wage, that duty falls upon you.

If the terms offered is not up to your standards then stay a Democrat and live off government cheese, But just stop whining.

Yep. Don't like the wage? Go elsewhere, and GOOD LUCK in this economy that has been sabotaged, and on purpose.

Generally, for MW workers, there isn't an "elsewhere". If there was, they would have already been there. Get it ?

 

[Sallow]

No, but when they do create jobs, those jobs (for 4o hours of work per week) should be able to reward the worker with a LIVING, and not less than that. 40 hours of work per week is a lot of time sacrificed from someone's free time.

But then depends on the JOB and the value of such a job, skills, etc. Minimum wage jobs were NEVER meant to be a living wage, but an ENTRY LEVEL wage. Want to get paid more? Excel at it, educate yourself and work hard. You move up, don't you?

Funny how people KNOW the price of everything but the VALUE of nothing.

I disagree. How do you know that person you'll pay MW to doesn't need that money to live on. Entry, middle years, latter years, who cares ? Work is work. You give up 40 hours a week of your life to an employer, he should pay you a living wage for that.
enough of this taking advantage of young people - and there are lots of older people working at minimum wage too. Been in a Target or WalMart lately ?

An amazingly simple concept.

 

[Contumacious]

Why did Obama ask for a $10.10 minimum wage?

Because he knows than Americans don't know their ass from a hole in the ground. As victims of government "education" they do not understand the economic ramifications of such a move.

For 10 years, I owned my own business, and my ex-wife owned another business of her own. For 3 years, I taught this subject (Microeconomics) in 4 colleges of the City University of New York. So I'll be the teacher. You be the student. So now I'm calling on you. What are these alleged "economic ramifications" that you speak of ?

Shut the fuck up , you have been mooching off taxpayers since you were born.

You wouldn't know economics if it came up and bit you on the ass.

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[boilermaker55]

You certainly have a long way to go in your economics classes.

You certainly have a long way to go in your economics classes.

My point precisely.

The parasites and the socialists see it as another welfare benefit.

The fact that you did not try explain how those on a fixed income or the poor can afford to pay for additional expenses tells me that you are another graduate from the Karl Marx School of Business.

.

HUH?


Ahhh, stick to boilermaking.

.

 

[protectionist]

It should be FREE MARKET!!! NO minimum wage.

If McDonalds can find people willing to flip burgers for $1 and hour, then so be it, THAT is what their labor is worth.

Im tired if all these left wing fags saying labor is worth more than what the market SAYS its worth.

If you stock shelves at Costco, and Costco can get someone to do it just as well for $3 an hour, then THAT is what your labor is worth. Get over it or get another job.

It's not a matter of "worth". This isn't an algebra equation. It is a TRADE of labor for monetary payment, and should be a FAIR exchange. THAT is what should be the basis of it, not a FREE MARKET. Saying the we should all be slave to a free 100% unregulated market, is like saying we shouldn't take action with the onset of a hurricane, but should instead just let it do it's thing, unrestricted.

You may also note that the extreme view you present is not much held by the American people, who overwhelmingly support raising the minimum wage (which is helpful to business as well as workers)

I believe DoItMyself is right, it is about worth.

It's about what is it worth to you and what is it worth to the company you work for.

Explain what is fair. Which is a very subjective word. IMO

What is fair to you, may not be fair in the eyes of your employer.

I've been explaining what is "FAIR" in about the last 20 posts I've posted here. Are you reading thte thread. FAIR is what it takes in a community for a person to make himself a LIVING (in exchange for 40 hours per week of work). In many places in the US, nowadays, that might be about $20/hour (which would be $130/hour less than what I paid my salespeople)

 

[The T]

But then depends on the JOB and the value of such a job, skills, etc. Minimum wage jobs were NEVER meant to be a living wage, but an ENTRY LEVEL wage. Want to get paid more? Excel at it, educate yourself and work hard. You move up, don't you?

Funny how people KNOW the price of everything but the VALUE of nothing.

I disagree. How do you know that person you'll pay MW to doesn't need that money to live on. Entry, middle years, latter years, who cares ? Work is work. You give up 40 hours a week of your life to an employer, he should pay you a living wage for that.
enough of this taking advantage of young people - and there are lots of older people working at minimum wage too. Been in a Target or WalMart lately ?

An amazingly simple concept.

So heavy-handed GOVERNMENT forces it? WHAT is a "living wage"? Hmmm? And whom controls the economy? The market (the PEOPLE going about their lives), or Government? And Is it Government's money in the first place?

 

[Darkwind]

You people understand he was talking about low paying federal jobs, right? You know, the food server class and shit like that?

Don't you people know how to listen?

 

[The T]

Government sure is FREE dictating what people MUST do with money that isn't theirs to begin with.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

It's not a matter of "worth". This isn't an algebra equation. It is a TRADE of labor for monetary payment, and should be a FAIR exchange. THAT is what should be the basis of it, not a FREE MARKET. Saying the we should all be slave to a free 100% unregulated market, is like saying we shouldn't take action with the onset of a hurricane, but should instead just let it do it's thing, unrestricted.

You may also note that the extreme view you present is not much held by the American people, who overwhelmingly support raising the minimum wage (which is helpful to business as well as workers)

I believe DoItMyself is right, it is about worth.

It's about what is it worth to you and what is it worth to the company you work for.

Explain what is fair. Which is a very subjective word. IMO

What is fair to you, may not be fair in the eyes of your employer.

I've been explaining what is "FAIR" in about the last 20 posts I've posted here. Are you reading thte thread. FAIR is what it takes in a community for a person to make himself a LIVING (in exchange for 40 hours per week of work). In many places in the US, nowadays, that might be about $20/hour (which would be $130/hour less than what I paid my salespeople)

What the hell is a "living wage"? Does it eat, breath and speak or something?