1% of all american citizens are in jail

[Cecilie1200]

Breaking the law, however, is illegal. So if you don't break the law, no one's going to come for you.

yes, but being a muslim shouldn´t be illegal either, exaggerated spoken, if under military justice or not. For the inmate, it doesn´t make a difference.

Where will you be in 5 or 10 years? I won´t suggest you to set all prisoners free. But could you even go on this way? More inmates, more prisoners, more prisons and so on? Where´s the structural defect? And what could you do against it?

Being a Muslim ISN'T illegal, nor is it punishable. Do you have any fucking clue how many Muslims, the vast majority of them law-abiding and living peacefully, are in the US? Did your propaganda, "Oh my God, they're doing to the Muslims what we did to the Jews" sources bother to mention that while they were lying to you about us rounding up and imprisoning Muslims, fucktwit?

What do you suggest we do with the criminal and evil in our society, moron? What do you do with yours . . . that is, when you're not letting them run the country?

 

[Cecilie1200]

Being stupid isn't illegal in this nation either. The communists, unionist and 'social democrats' can thank their lucky stars for that too.

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Maybe you ought to try seeing a REAL news source, you ignorant jack wagon. We both know how badly you people react to inflammatory propaganda, so you should probably just avoid that sort of thing altogether.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Being stupid isn't illegal

perhaps it should be.

but when you think over: Is that true? Stupidity always punishes itself. And you can´t refer to your own stupidity if you did something wrong.

If being stupid was illegal, you'd never be able to come visit the US safely.

 

[daveman]

i´ve got another opinion.

Yes, but you have nothing to back it up.

that´s your opinion.

Pointing out that you've posted nothing to back up your opinions is not an opinion. It's a fact.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Yeah. Where has the military punished anyone for being Muslim?

Here

just google it. it´s full with cases like these.

The Internet is also full of people who insist they were abducted and anally probed by space aliens. Just because you can Google someone saying something doesn't make it worth listening to.

 

[Big Fitz]

I don't know where this data was culled from but I smell poo. As in pulled out of someone's ass.

I think its hilarious that so many people see a graph like this and are automatically:
1. shocked
2. doubtful of its authenticity

When have you ever seen an article that DIDN'T show blacks highly over-represented in crime statistics? This is not something new. The numbers may vary a little from year to year but it is always the same story.

The Pew Center and the Chicago Tribune have enough fact checkers to make sure this correct within a reasonable error range of a percent here or there

I would like to note that 99% of the American population is able to obey the laws and stay out of jail. Anyone else noticing that? Plus I wonder if some people understand what 'probation' is.

And don't forget you can end up on probation for trespassing in a park after hours or traffic tickets and be out the door in 20 minutes after an appearance in a municipal court. Maybe it's just a lot of bad drivers.

 

[Mr. Sauerkraut]

@Cecillie

Do you know what we think here in europe about these thing happend in Arizona yesterday?

Typical american.

Meanwhile you are ignoring or dening the facts, saying hurrah to your system and dumping dirty water over me, another shooter rages on and kills whatever he likes to, even 9 years old girls. Well, this is the american way of life but at the end of this road will be no paradise.

Sarah Palin Used Crosshair Symbols For Targeted House Races


Shall we go on discussng THIS way? Affronts, Fringes, Flouts? I´m only asking questions. I feel friendly to the usa and i´m worrying much whats currently wrong at you. Isn´t it time or think over? Or does it need another civil war to come back to consciousness? This is no kidding, we are really expecting this now. Even my friends that are from the usa have these fears.

 

[Toro]

@Cecillie

Do you know what we think here in europe about these thing happend in Arizona yesterday?

Typical american.

Meanwhile you are ignoring or dening the facts, saying hurrah to your system and dumping dirty water over me, another shooter rages on and kills whatever he likes to, even 9 years old girls. Well, this is the american way of life but at the end of this road will be no paradise.

Sarah Palin Used Crosshair Symbols For Targeted House Races


Shall we go on discussng THIS way? Affronts, Fringes, Flouts? I´m only asking questions. I feel friendly to the usa and i´m worrying much whats currently wrong at you. Isn´t it time or think over? Or does it need another civil war to come back to consciousness? This is no kidding, we are really expecting this now. Even my friends that are from the usa have these fears.

As I said in the other thread, this is a common view of America outside the country. It's nonsense and steeped in ignorance, but it is common.

And in many ways, it parallels the argument about Muslims in America.

 

[Mr. Sauerkraut]

No. Wrong. It takes a family to raise a man or woman. I live in Minneapolis, I do not want the community here teaching my child standards, if I had one, on what it is to be a mature, respectable man. I will do that. Not the schools, not the neighbors. Me and my kin. If me and my kin is not available, then you have to go to lesser secondary choices of those WILLING to mentor the boy or girl. You cannot assume that it will be done automatically OR well.

This is a critical flaw of socialism: assuming responsibility and authority over things which they have none.

That´s a point. I remember my school times with these fashion nerds on the one side and the drugheads on the other side very well. And most of my teachers were been neurotics, psychos or alcoholics. I can understand your retentions. School massakers have already arrived in germany.

But this shows even more, that there is a structural defect when you can´t trust the teachers or your neighbours anymore. I´m convinced that there is a circuit between this high amount of inmates and any other social problem the usa currently has.

and this muslimic punishment thing. I wrote in the start

yes, but being a muslim shouldn´t be illegal either, exaggerated spoken, if under military justice or not. For the inmate, it doesn´t make a difference.

I meant this not wordly but only overdone. Can we end this now? I really enjoy to discuss with you and feel respect to your opinions and arguments.

 

[Cecilie1200]

@Cecillie

Do you know what we think here in europe about these thing happend in Arizona yesterday?

Typical american.

The REAL question is, why would I give a fuck what Europeans think about anything? Please disabuse yourself of the notion that you and your entire, tattered, second-rate continent have any relevance to Americans except as a place to go on vacation and complain about the rude waiters.

You know what we in America think of Hitler and the Nazi regime? Typical European.

Only Eurotrash would be so arrogant as to try to take the moral high ground on violence when there are still living victims of the darkest moment in THEIR nation's history. Be advised that you need a LOT more historical space between your nation and its biggest fuck-up before you have ANYTHING of value to tell the rest of us about running our countries.

Meanwhile you are ignoring or dening the facts, saying hurrah to your system and dumping dirty water over me, another shooter rages on and kills whatever he likes to, even 9 years old girls. Well, this is the american way of life but at the end of this road will be no paradise.

The only thing I'm denying is YOUR right to any sort of holier-than-thou attitude about anything, Chucklehead. I'll say it again, in case it's not getting through your fat, Aryan skull: You have nothing - NOTHING - to say to America or anyone else about violent behavior while there are still people alive in the world who can remember YOUR nation's experience with it. You do not get to tell ANYONE how much their nation sucks unless their nation - like yours - has tried to take over the world and exterminate an entire race of people within living memory. And if you want to excoriate America for people who "rage on and kill 9-year-old girls", let's just talk about what YOUR country did to 9-year-old girls, shall we?

I guess you'd certainly know about a national way of life that doesn't have paradise at the end of the road, wouldn't you?

There are two things I can't figure out about you: one is what could EVER make you think that Germany and its people could ever be viewed as moral leaders at this time in history, and what could EVER make you think that you could come to a message board full of Americans, criticize our country, and NOT get your filthy Eurotrash ass reamed for it?

I don't come to German message boards and talk about how much YOUR nation sucks, although believe me, I could find just as much or more material to do it with. You know why? Because America matters to people outside its borders, and Germany really, truly, massively doesn't. Most people in the world know the name of our President. Most people in the world DON'T know the name of yours. People in Germany follow the news of a shooting of a relatively obscure US Congresswoman. People in America would be hard-pressed to even name a member of your ruling body, or even name your ruling body (What the hell do you call them, anyway?). That should tell you everything you need to know about the relative importance and value of our nations to the world.

Stick THAT in your pipe and smoke it . . . on your way back to your own fucking message boards, asshole.

 

[Father Time]

 

[Bones]

The REAL question is, why would I give a fuck what Europeans think about anything? Please disabuse yourself of the notion that you and your entire, tattered, second-rate continent have any relevance to Americans except as a place to go on vacation and complain about the rude waiters.

The United States is hated the world over. Perhaps it'd be wise to stop for a second and think why that is so.

 

[Mr. Sauerkraut]

The REAL question is, why would I give a fuck what Europeans think about anything?

it´s up to you what you´re thinking about.

You know what we in America think of Hitler and the Nazi regime? Typical European.

maybe. but this is over 60 years away. today it´s the present.

Only Eurotrash would be so arrogant as to try to take the moral high ground on violence when there are still living victims of the darkest moment in THEIR nations history. Be advised that you need a LOT more historical space between your nation and its biggest fuck-up before you have ANYTHING of value to tell the rest of us about running our countries.

i´m only asking questions. And if i´m asked, i give answers. I want to understand what´s happening to you.

The only thing I'm denying is YOUR right to any sort of holier-than-thou attitude about anything, Chucklehead. I'll say it again, in case it's not getting through your fat, Aryan skull: You have nothing - NOTHING - to say to America or anyone else about violent behavior while there are still people alive in the world who can remember YOUR nation's experience with it.

no, it´s exactly backwards. I´m afraid you will take a road, we´ve already tried. Even because i know that there will be nothing gained but everything lost in the end, I try to bring to a rethink of several thinks that I recognize as warning signs.

And if you want to excoriate America for people who "rage on and kill 9-year-old girls", let's just talk about what YOUR country did to 9-year-old girls, shall we?

I didn´t say that and i didn´t mean that. If you did understand me this way, i like to say sorry. But what do you know about 9 years old girls here? A friend of mine had a 9 year old daughter who was raped and killed by a carpenter in the village where I grew up. These things happen, even here. Nobody denies this.

There are two things I can't figure out about you: one is what could EVER make you think that Germany and its people could ever be viewed as moral leaders at this time in history, and what could EVER make you think that you could come to a message board full of Americans, criticize our country, and NOT get your filthy Eurotrash ass reamed for it?


I´m not vesting any moral leadership. But friends should be able to talk together. If we were neighbours, I would come and talk to you in case i think, your house were burning. In my first post I accented how we mostly think about your country. But instead of wondering and talking about you, I like to talk with you. What´s wrong with? You´re welcome to ignore me, nobody forces you to talk to me.

I don't come to German message boards and talk about how much YOUR nation sucks, although believe me, I could find just as much or more material to do it with. You know why? Because America matters to people outside its borders, and Germany really, truly, massively doesn't.

First: Your deeply welcome. You finde me here: www.ebayforums.de I tell you my nick, when you´re logged in.
Second: Our soldiers are fighting side by side with your troops in afghanistan as they did in yugoslavia. In fact, we provided you in iraq anyway even if we werent there officially. Don´t say we don´t matter to others. According to a study of the BBC, Germany has currently the best prestige in the world off all countries. This must be coming from somewhere. We put billions of dollars in development help and opening dependances and creating jobs everywhere. Even in your country. Meanwhile GM scraps car plants, we give you ours. But you´re welcome.

Most people in the world DON'T know the name of yours. People in Germany follow the news of a shooting of a relatively obscure US Congresswoman. People in America would be hard-pressed to even name a member of your ruling body, or even name your ruling body (What the hell do you call them, anyway?). That should tell you everything you need to know about the relative importance and value of our nations to the world.

First: That´s not right. Angela Merkel is known around the world, if you don´t know her, it´s your thing. But anyway, what shold that say? That americans are only interested in their own country is another prejudice all over the world. That´s the most important reason why you have this poor prestige. And you don´t mind?

Cecille, you can´t hit me with your names and affronts. It says more about you than about me. But I would be glad if you could calm down and disuss on a more adult way.

 

[Big Fitz]

I´m convinced that there is a circuit between this high amount of inmates and any other social problem the usa currently has.

Your conviction does not create fact. Correlation is not causation.

 

[Cecilie1200]

The REAL question is, why would I give a fuck what Europeans think about anything? Please disabuse yourself of the notion that you and your entire, tattered, second-rate continent have any relevance to Americans except as a place to go on vacation and complain about the rude waiters.

The United States is hated the world over. Perhaps it'd be wise to stop for a second and think why that is so.

And again I say, why should I care? For me to take a second to wonder about it would require those opinions to matter.

Let's see: Do I want to live in a superpower with the highest overall standard of living in the world, or do I want to live in a second-rate pissant country that spends a lot of energy hating and vituperating against the superpower with the highest standard of living? Oh, the decisions, the decisions.

If people don't hate your country, chances are it's because your country isn't worth noticing.

 

[Bones]

And again I say, why should I care? For me to take a second to wonder about it would require those opinions to matter.

If those opinions are valid concerns and questions about how this nation and its citizens conducts itself, you should care. Otherwise, we're just juche-loving insular jerkoffs who repetitively chant "We're number one" as several cities are literally in ruin, the education system is crumbling, the impossible to pay 13 trillion dollar debt grows and the economy is on the verge of collapse.

Let's see: Do I want to live in a superpower with the highest overall standard of living in the world, or do I want to live in a second-rate pissant country that spends a lot of energy hating and vituperating against the superpower with the highest standard of living? Oh, the decisions, the decisions.

Highest overall standard of living in the world? Boy, you are delusional.

• 57 million people are without health insurance and even ones with insurance are bankrupted by insanely high medical costs
• The United States is the only industrialized nation which doesn't guarantee maternity leave
• No mandatory minimum for sick pay or holiday
• Americans work more hours than most others in Western Civilization
• The personal debt bubble (credit cards, student loans, et cetera) is about to burst
• Wages/Salaries have been stagnant for decades while the super rich are breaking wealth records
• Our food is virtually poisoned by conglomerates such as Cargill and Monsanto, pumping GMOs, hormones and antibiotics into vegetables and meats. Funny how the food that has all of the disgusting preservatives and chemicals in it is dirt cheap while organic labeled is nearly twice the cost. Actually, it's FUBAR.

Need I go on?

If people don't hate your country, chances are it's because your country isn't worth noticing.

Yeah. China must be paradise! So must India!

 

[Tank]

The United States is hated the world over.

Then why are they all coming here?

Perhaps it'd be wise to stop for a second and think why that is so.

Jealous

 

[Mr. Sauerkraut]

Let's see: Do I want to live in a superpower with the highest overall standard of living in the world, or do I want to live in a second-rate pissant country that spends a lot of energy hating and vituperating against the superpower with the highest standard of living? Oh, the decisions, the decisions.

If people don't hate your country, chances are it's because your country isn't worth noticing.

define "highest standarts of living".

 

[L.K.Eder]

@Cecillie

Do you know what we think here in europe about these thing happend in Arizona yesterday?

Typical american.

The REAL question is, why would I give a fuck what Europeans think about anything? Please disabuse yourself of the notion that you and your entire, tattered, second-rate continent have any relevance to Americans except as a place to go on vacation and complain about the rude waiters.

You know what we in America think of Hitler and the Nazi regime? Typical European.

Only Eurotrash would be so arrogant as to try to take the moral high ground on violence when there are still living victims of the darkest moment in THEIR nation's history. Be advised that you need a LOT more historical space between your nation and its biggest fuck-up before you have ANYTHING of value to tell the rest of us about running our countries.

Meanwhile you are ignoring or dening the facts, saying hurrah to your system and dumping dirty water over me, another shooter rages on and kills whatever he likes to, even 9 years old girls. Well, this is the american way of life but at the end of this road will be no paradise.

The only thing I'm denying is YOUR right to any sort of holier-than-thou attitude about anything, Chucklehead. I'll say it again, in case it's not getting through your fat, Aryan skull: You have nothing - NOTHING - to say to America or anyone else about violent behavior while there are still people alive in the world who can remember YOUR nation's experience with it. You do not get to tell ANYONE how much their nation sucks unless their nation - like yours - has tried to take over the world and exterminate an entire race of people within living memory. And if you want to excoriate America for people who "rage on and kill 9-year-old girls", let's just talk about what YOUR country did to 9-year-old girls, shall we?

I guess you'd certainly know about a national way of life that doesn't have paradise at the end of the road, wouldn't you?

There are two things I can't figure out about you: one is what could EVER make you think that Germany and its people could ever be viewed as moral leaders at this time in history, and what could EVER make you think that you could come to a message board full of Americans, criticize our country, and NOT get your filthy Eurotrash ass reamed for it?

I don't come to German message boards and talk about how much YOUR nation sucks, although believe me, I could find just as much or more material to do it with. You know why? Because America matters to people outside its borders, and Germany really, truly, massively doesn't. Most people in the world know the name of our President. Most people in the world DON'T know the name of yours. People in Germany follow the news of a shooting of a relatively obscure US Congresswoman. People in America would be hard-pressed to even name a member of your ruling body, or even name your ruling body (What the hell do you call them, anyway?). That should tell you everything you need to know about the relative importance and value of our nations to the world.

Stick THAT in your pipe and smoke it . . . on your way back to your own fucking message boards, asshole.

and now you have totally blown it. way to go.

 

[Mr. Sauerkraut]

and now you have totally blown it. way to go.

no no. Where is rage and fury, there is energy and demand to dicscuss. I like to pretend talking to her.