1 Million Man Deportation Force

[Ray From Cleveland]

New York is unable to determine who is here legally and who is not.

They're not.......huh?

First you tell us it's a simple process for employers to figure out legal status of employees, and then tell us government has no way of knowing if they are illegal of not. You are talking out of both sides of your mouth, and making crap up as you think of it.

"The best thing about telling the truth is you never have to remember what you said."
Author unknown

Employers can use e-verify. That is the Federal government.

If employers can use it, why not the DMV?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

And when the feds identify an illegal alien sitting in a city jail liberals refuse to turn him over for deportation

They are unable to do that. You are once again making crap up. They will not hold them beyond their sentence as that is illegal.

‘This Will Protect Criminals’: Homeland Security Blasts New York Law Allowing Illegal Aliens to Get Driver’s Licenses


This Will Protect Criminals’: Homeland Security Blasts New York Law Allowing Illegal Aliens to Get Driver’s Licenses

New York is unable to determine who is here legally and who is not. They want to make sure those driving on their roads are capable of doing so.

The problem is they get the illegals to drive on their roads, and then they drive to ours in other states when we don't want them driving here.

That's the way it goes when you decide short term gain is more important than addressing things long term.

I have no idea WTF that is supposed to mean. They shouldn't be giving them licenses to drive in the first place. They are not here legally. What they should have done is announce they are going to give drivers licenses, and when they lined up outside, a caravan of ICE paddy wagons come and haul them away.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Big business has a lot of influence

but so do voters

trump is not the problem

its the swamp rats in congress who are holding up progress

Trump has full control to bring the entire weight of the government down on employers. Trump and Trump only. Quit being dishonest.

Employers are only part of the problem. Many come here just to drop kids so they can be considered Americans.

It's estimated by some we have 20 million illegals in this country. I find it hard to believe all 20 million found employment and working here illegally.

There is no reason to come here if you can't get a job. All 20 million did not. Some are being supported by those who found a job. The problem will only get bigger though as long as we completely ignore this aspect of the problem.

Whatever. If that's what you want.

We are not ignoring the problem. As I posted earlier, American employers are subject to innocent status until proven guilty. Again, very difficult to do when you have to prove they knew they were hiring illegals in the first place. It makes no sense to arrest them when the prosecutor can't make a case. They simply let them go.

Like I said, get Congress to make being here illegally a felony, punishable by a minimum of five years in prison. You won't have to worry about them getting jobs anymore, how to deport 20 million illegals, Visa overstays. It's all solved in the creation of a new law that will only be a few sentences long.

Where are you going to put 20 million people in prison at?

There won't be 20 million. That's the point. A strong enough deterrent works every time it's tried. They will be moving out of the country so fast it would make your head spin.

 

[The Original Tree]

Do you bleeding heart, Know Nothing Leftists, REALLY Believe that Illegal Immigration and taking in Refugees from countries that hate us is a harmless activity?

I don’t believe that. I believe you know exactly how harmful and damaging it can be.

 

[Mr Natural]

The people who run this country and make the rules love their cheap labor more than anything else and are not about to give it up for a bunch rubes who don't like Mexicans.

 

[bripat9643]

The people who run this country and make the rules love their cheap labor more than anything else and are not about to give it up for a bunch rubes who don't like Mexicans.

So? You support open borders because that's what billionaires want?

You're a pathetic human being.

 

[pknopp]

They have no idea where those with detain orders are.

Spin away....it is a database available to all LEA's across the country.......type name......bam....it's checked...

Once they find them. Most are not found.

No shit sherlock..........they change names and blend in and move around the country........10's of millions of them...........been going on for decades.......in some of the big raids from ICE...........some had been here 20 years plus under a fake id and SSN.........Imagine that.......

We know what is going on ............and you do too if you were honest.......but you are here for PRAVDA and to push a Narrative.

It's impossible to use a fake S.S. number for 20 years.

Ask the IRS and Social Security Administration and ICE records..........It's all there......and I've posted that data many times on many threads......it's a waste on you......because your job is to spin LIES HERE.

I've backed up my information on this thread............you give one liner Troll responses.

You've posted the excuses those responsible for enforcing this stuff use for not enforcing it. Just as we were lied into the wars we are being lied to here. When did you start believing everything the government tells you?

 

[pknopp]

States can NOT enforce immigration laws. Why? Because immigration is Constitutionally allotted to the federal government.

States cannot try illegal aliens but they can assist federal law enforcement

but in liberal states they work against the feds

Why should the states do what the Federal government will not do? They should do the job of the federal government because they will not do it?

Is that how you describe a city police dept ignoring requests fir a hold from ICE?

or the mayor of oakland warning illegals that ICE was planning a raid ?

Nobody ignores a hold order. It is illegal to hold someone beyond their sentence. ICE is free to pick them up at any time.........to release them.

Liberals do ignore hold orders

Sanctuary County Ignores ICE Detainer Request, Releases Alleged Rapist Back Into The Public

• An illegal alien from El Salvador was arrested in Montgomery County, a “sanctuary” for illegal migrants, and charged with second-degree rape and second-degree assault.
• ICE lodged a detainer request for the individual, but local authorities ignored the request, and allowed him to walk out of the detention center after posting bail.
• Montgomery County has witnessed several high-profile rape cases involving illegal aliens since an executive order was signed that prohibits cooperation with ICE.

That's the law. You leave after posting bail.

 

[pknopp]

Trump has full control to bring the entire weight of the government down on employers. Trump and Trump only. Quit being dishonest.

Employers are only part of the problem. Many come here just to drop kids so they can be considered Americans.

It's estimated by some we have 20 million illegals in this country. I find it hard to believe all 20 million found employment and working here illegally.

There is no reason to come here if you can't get a job. All 20 million did not. Some are being supported by those who found a job. The problem will only get bigger though as long as we completely ignore this aspect of the problem.

Whatever. If that's what you want.

We are not ignoring the problem. As I posted earlier, American employers are subject to innocent status until proven guilty. Again, very difficult to do when you have to prove they knew they were hiring illegals in the first place. It makes no sense to arrest them when the prosecutor can't make a case. They simply let them go.

Like I said, get Congress to make being here illegally a felony, punishable by a minimum of five years in prison. You won't have to worry about them getting jobs anymore, how to deport 20 million illegals, Visa overstays. It's all solved in the creation of a new law that will only be a few sentences long.

Where are you going to put 20 million people in prison at?

In mexico

No you aren't but if you think this is going to solve the issue, keep at it. It allows those who refuse to do their job to continue not doing their job.

 

[bripat9643]

Spin away....it is a database available to all LEA's across the country.......type name......bam....it's checked...

Once they find them. Most are not found.

No shit sherlock..........they change names and blend in and move around the country........10's of millions of them...........been going on for decades.......in some of the big raids from ICE...........some had been here 20 years plus under a fake id and SSN.........Imagine that.......

We know what is going on ............and you do too if you were honest.......but you are here for PRAVDA and to push a Narrative.

It's impossible to use a fake S.S. number for 20 years.

Ask the IRS and Social Security Administration and ICE records..........It's all there......and I've posted that data many times on many threads......it's a waste on you......because your job is to spin LIES HERE.

I've backed up my information on this thread............you give one liner Troll responses.

You've posted the excuses those responsible for enforcing this stuff use for not enforcing it. Just as we were lied into the wars we are being lied to here. When did you start believing everything the government tells you?

What difference does it make? The bottom line is that they aren't being enforced.

 

[pknopp]

I factually state what I want every time I reply on this subject.

You demand the wrong fix

Your way has not worked since 40 years ago

My way is not being done. Never has been but you know that. Trump has not charged a single employer.

How do you propose to make politicians enforce these laws? So far, no one has proposed a method.

Fine with me. There is an easy way though. Quit voting for those who lie to you.

I didn't vote for Hillary, moron.

You still voted for the one currently lying to you.

 

[pknopp]

Maybe Trump shouldn't have agreed to waste billions more overseas. All the same when the business were raided in Mississippi it wasn't going to cost more to also arrest the employer.

The penalty doesn't include jail time for the first offense, moron.

So what? There isn't a second time until there is a first time.

Trump is probably spending less overseas than Obama. At least he isn't helping ISIS to take over Libya by bombing the crap out of the government, as Obama did. He got rid of ISIS, and brought a lot of our boys home. He got rid of Obama's idiotic and murderous rules of engagement in Afghanistan, and save a lot of America lives.

Trump Signs Bipartisan Budget to Increase Defense Spending into Law

Note: We are talking about spending "overseas."

Which is where that is still going because Trump doesn't have the balls to back up his words.

The Republicans quit defending him if he even tries.

I think overseas spending has decreased. You're full of shit.

What you think (which is really not what you know to be the truth) is irrelevant.

 

[bripat9643]

States cannot try illegal aliens but they can assist federal law enforcement

but in liberal states they work against the feds

Why should the states do what the Federal government will not do? They should do the job of the federal government because they will not do it?

Is that how you describe a city police dept ignoring requests fir a hold from ICE?

or the mayor of oakland warning illegals that ICE was planning a raid ?

Nobody ignores a hold order. It is illegal to hold someone beyond their sentence. ICE is free to pick them up at any time.........to release them.

Liberals do ignore hold orders

Sanctuary County Ignores ICE Detainer Request, Releases Alleged Rapist Back Into The Public

• An illegal alien from El Salvador was arrested in Montgomery County, a “sanctuary” for illegal migrants, and charged with second-degree rape and second-degree assault.
• ICE lodged a detainer request for the individual, but local authorities ignored the request, and allowed him to walk out of the detention center after posting bail.
• Montgomery County has witnessed several high-profile rape cases involving illegal aliens since an executive order was signed that prohibits cooperation with ICE.

That's the law. You leave after posting bail.

If you're an illegal alien, then you should be on a bus to Mexico. That's the law.

 

[pknopp]

They are unable to do that. You are once again making crap up. They will not hold them beyond their sentence as that is illegal.

‘This Will Protect Criminals’: Homeland Security Blasts New York Law Allowing Illegal Aliens to Get Driver’s Licenses


This Will Protect Criminals’: Homeland Security Blasts New York Law Allowing Illegal Aliens to Get Driver’s Licenses

New York is unable to determine who is here legally and who is not. They want to make sure those driving on their roads are capable of doing so.

The problem is they get the illegals to drive on their roads, and then they drive to ours in other states when we don't want them driving here.

That's the way it goes when you decide short term gain is more important than addressing things long term.

How is allowing illegals into the country "thinking long term?"

Ask the government and employers. They are the ones doing that.

 

[pknopp]

They have no idea where those with detain orders are.

Spin away....it is a database available to all LEA's across the country.......type name......bam....it's checked...

Once they find them. Most are not found.

No shit sherlock..........they change names and blend in and move around the country........10's of millions of them...........been going on for decades.......in some of the big raids from ICE...........some had been here 20 years plus under a fake id and SSN.........Imagine that.......

We know what is going on ............and you do too if you were honest.......but you are here for PRAVDA and to push a Narrative.

It's impossible to use a fake S.S. number for 20 years.

Why is it impossible?

It's been explained to you many times.

 

[pknopp]

Why should the states do what the Federal government will not do? They should do the job of the federal government because they will not do it?

Is that how you describe a city police dept ignoring requests fir a hold from ICE?

or the mayor of oakland warning illegals that ICE was planning a raid ?

Nobody ignores a hold order. It is illegal to hold someone beyond their sentence. ICE is free to pick them up at any time.........to release them.

It is not illegal to hold them 48 hours if they have a detain order by ICE. They are wanted by ICE for a violation.........They need the 48 hour notice.....earlier if possible to get the Warrant and take them into custody.

ICE won't pick them up. They have nowhere to take them. They simply release them themselves.

Then let them do it, not the local police department.

What is the point then?

 

[bripat9643]

You demand the wrong fix

Your way has not worked since 40 years ago

My way is not being done. Never has been but you know that. Trump has not charged a single employer.

How do you propose to make politicians enforce these laws? So far, no one has proposed a method.

Fine with me. There is an easy way though. Quit voting for those who lie to you.

I didn't vote for Hillary, moron.

You still voted for the one currently lying to you.

Puhleeze. Hillary lied 1000 times more often, and so do all the douchebags currently running for the nomination. I always crack up whenever Dims get all sanctimonious about Republicans lying. It comes off like prostitutes pining about the virtue of celibacy.

 

[pknopp]

New York is unable to determine who is here legally and who is not.

They're not.......huh?

First you tell us it's a simple process for employers to figure out legal status of employees, and then tell us government has no way of knowing if they are illegal of not. You are talking out of both sides of your mouth, and making crap up as you think of it.

"The best thing about telling the truth is you never have to remember what you said."
Author unknown

Employers can use e-verify. That is the Federal government.

If employers can use it, why not the DMV?

I suppose they could but why spend millions on a losing cause? They are still going to be driving to their jobs.

 

[bripat9643]

The penalty doesn't include jail time for the first offense, moron.

So what? There isn't a second time until there is a first time.

Trump is probably spending less overseas than Obama. At least he isn't helping ISIS to take over Libya by bombing the crap out of the government, as Obama did. He got rid of ISIS, and brought a lot of our boys home. He got rid of Obama's idiotic and murderous rules of engagement in Afghanistan, and save a lot of America lives.

Trump Signs Bipartisan Budget to Increase Defense Spending into Law

Note: We are talking about spending "overseas."

Which is where that is still going because Trump doesn't have the balls to back up his words.

The Republicans quit defending him if he even tries.

I think overseas spending has decreased. You're full of shit.

What you think (which is really not what you know to be the truth) is irrelevant.

Where did you prove that it has increased?

 

[pknopp]

Trump has full control to bring the entire weight of the government down on employers. Trump and Trump only. Quit being dishonest.

Employers are only part of the problem. Many come here just to drop kids so they can be considered Americans.

It's estimated by some we have 20 million illegals in this country. I find it hard to believe all 20 million found employment and working here illegally.

There is no reason to come here if you can't get a job. All 20 million did not. Some are being supported by those who found a job. The problem will only get bigger though as long as we completely ignore this aspect of the problem.

Whatever. If that's what you want.

We are not ignoring the problem. As I posted earlier, American employers are subject to innocent status until proven guilty. Again, very difficult to do when you have to prove they knew they were hiring illegals in the first place. It makes no sense to arrest them when the prosecutor can't make a case. They simply let them go.

Like I said, get Congress to make being here illegally a felony, punishable by a minimum of five years in prison. You won't have to worry about them getting jobs anymore, how to deport 20 million illegals, Visa overstays. It's all solved in the creation of a new law that will only be a few sentences long.

Where are you going to put 20 million people in prison at?

There won't be 20 million. That's the point. A strong enough deterrent works every time it's tried. They will be moving out of the country so fast it would make your head spin.

If it was that easy you might have thought that Trump and the Republicans would have done so when they controlled the White House, House and Senate.