You have to pay for ObamaCare? Oh...

[francoHFW]

Fox is fos as always. The fact that no Pubs would vote for a GOP style plan just shows how bought off, mindless, and hypocritical they are. Pub dupes, worst- and most misinformed- voters in the modern world...

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Go to a full Universal Single Payer System like that of Canada. Paid for out of an increase in income taxes, one that goes all the way to the top, no cutoff as in Social Security.

Or.....People could just pay for their own selves. Why should I pay higher taxes just to pay for someone else's health care?

We got us a high level thinker here. He appears to have faith.

But, like other rw's, he still doesn't get it that ObamaCare requires you to pay for your insurance whereas Reagan's Socialist EMTALA forces us to "pay higher taxes just to pay for someone else's health care".

 

[TemplarKormac]

Or.....People could just pay for their own selves. Why should I pay higher taxes just to pay for someone else's health care?

We got us a high level thinker here. He appears to have faith.

But, like other rw's, he still doesn't get it that ObamaCare requires you to pay for your insurance whereas Reagan's Socialist EMTALA forces us to "pay higher taxes just to pay for someone else's health care".

You know you've lost a debate when you call Ronald Reagan a socialist. Game over, pal.

 

[WelfareQueen]

EMTALA was designed to prevent ER and Hospital patient dumping. It is an excellent law that has saved millions of lives. When a patient presents at an ER the patient must receive care. They cannot be dumped due to lack of insurance or medical condition.


Are you now arguing to change this law? Or are you being a hack and attempting to make a bullshit and worthless political point?

 

[Claudette]

Go to a full Universal Single Payer System like that of Canada. Paid for out of an increase in income taxes, one that goes all the way to the top, no cutoff as in Social Security.

I'm not for this type of plan, but I'd prefer it to this ACA beast.

The Democrats could have at least opened a serious national dialogue on Single Payer, but they did not. Instead, they rushed and pushed through this hideous Frankenstein's monster by the barest of margins. And now, liberals are having to defend it for political reasons. They can't point at Romneycare, they voted for the ACA. It's all theirs.

I'd love to have been a fly on the wall when Reid and Pelosi and gang decided they didn't have the guts to make Single Payer a national conversation.

.

Reid, Pelosi, and Obama never wanted a conversation about single payer because all the polls showed Americans were very happy with their current coverage. To discuss single payer openly was a loser. Look what happened to Hillary. So they lied and then created a Frankenstein monster.

Who the hell wants the Govt running HC for 300 million Americans?

The Govt that has never run anything cheaply or well.

The Govt that turns everything into mountains of red tape, paperwork and waits.

Good Gawd. Talk about a trainwreck.

This is what we need to do to fix HC in this country.

The Best Alternative to Obamacare - Clark S. Judge (usnews.com)

 

[Luddly Neddite]

For the same reason we pay for everyone's education and National Defense. A healthy, educated and protected populous is a prosperous one.

it is not the same thing as defence.

But, a minimal medical care can be a universal one - paid not by income taxes, but by the federal sales tax - so finally those who are not paying anything in any taxes but use the services will pay for it as well.
Can be just 1%.
If you buy a yaht - you will pay more than when you buy a pair of cheap shoes. But everyone will pay - and that is fair.

No, it isn't the same...it's more important than defense.

We can have a public/private healthcare system. Everyone gets the same basic healthcare but if you can afford supplemental plans, you get one. We are America, we can do this.

And really, there is no reason, no excuse for us not doing it.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

We got us a high level thinker here. He appears to have faith.

But, like other rw's, he still doesn't get it that ObamaCare requires you to pay for your insurance whereas Reagan's Socialist EMTALA forces us to "pay higher taxes just to pay for someone else's health care".

You know you've lost a debate when you call Ronald Reagan a socialist. Game over, pal.

As usual, you can't read.

Show me where I wrote that Ronnie Ray-Gun was a Socialist.

 

[BDBoop]

No, It's free.

(?)

Did you have a point?

"Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous
by letting the American Government
take care of him;
better take a closer look at the American Indian." - Henry Ford

my point is same as sj's..
I've used this quote many times...
and I drive a ford...

SJ? Oh....

 

[Luddly Neddite]

EMTALA was designed to prevent ER and Hospital patient dumping. It is an excellent law that has saved millions of lives. When a patient presents at an ER the patient must receive care. They cannot be dumped due to lack of insurance or medical condition.


Are you now arguing to change this law? Or are you being a hack and attempting to make a bullshit and worthless political point?

Yep. That was what it was designed to do and yes, it has saved lives. I've never said differently. There are, however, enormous problems with it but that is not the point of what I wrote. Like templar, you didn't read my post. You read what you wanted to believe I wrote.

Read what I wrote.

But, like other rw's, he still doesn't get it that ObamaCare requires you to pay for your insurance whereas Reagan's Socialist EMTALA forces us to "pay higher taxes just to pay for someone else's health care".

(It gets so tiresome that half our time must be spent explaining to rw's that they can't read.)

 

[TemplarKormac]

EMTALA was designed to prevent ER and Hospital patient dumping. It is an excellent law that has saved millions of lives. When a patient presents at an ER the patient must receive care. They cannot be dumped due to lack of insurance or medical condition.


Are you now arguing to change this law? Or are you being a hack and attempting to make a bullshit and worthless political point?

Yep. That was what it was designed to do and yes, it has saved lives. I've never said differently. There are, however, enormous problems with it but that is not the point of what I wrote. Like templar, you didn't read my post. You read what you wanted to believe I wrote.

Read what I wrote.

But, like other rw's, he still doesn't get it that ObamaCare requires you to pay for your insurance whereas Reagan's Socialist EMTALA forces us to "pay higher taxes just to pay for someone else's health care".

(It gets so tiresome that half our time must be spent explaining to rw's that they can't read.)

LOL. It gets tiresome after a while when you continually and with futility, repeat yourself.

 

[TemplarKormac]

But, like other rw's, he still doesn't get it that ObamaCare requires you to pay for your insurance whereas Reagan's Socialist EMTALA forces us to "pay higher taxes just to pay for someone else's health care".

You know you've lost a debate when you call Ronald Reagan a socialist. Game over, pal.

As usual, you can't read.

Show me where I wrote that Ronnie Ray-Gun was a Socialist.

Usually the words "Reagan's socialist" make that implication. And you tell me I can't read?

 

[driveby]

Go to a full Universal Single Payer System like that of Canada. Paid for out of an increase in income taxes, one that goes all the way to the top, no cutoff as in Social Security.

that's the only truly acceptable viable position...

Careful......you will cause some people to get all twisted.

Projection.......

 

[Luddly Neddite]

You know you've lost a debate when you call Ronald Reagan a socialist. Game over, pal.

As usual, you can't read.

Show me where I wrote that Ronnie Ray-Gun was a Socialist.

Usually the words "Reagan's socialist" make that implication. And you tell me I can't read?

"implication"?

That's on you.

What I wrote was:

But, like other rw's, he still doesn't get it that ObamaCare requires you to pay for your insurance whereas Reagan's Socialist EMTALA forces us to "pay higher taxes just to pay for someone else's health care".

See the difference?

Probably not but again, that's on you.

 

[emilynghiem]

Yes. Americans are simply a bunch of idiots. We are too stupid to understand that when we sign up to buy something from Aetna or United Health or Blue Cross, we will have to pay some money.

After all, we get goods and services from private corporations without paying for them all the time. Right? I mean.....I am shocked.....shocked I tell you....every time my credit card statement comes. I never thought I'd have to pay for the stuff I agreed to pay for!

We didn't "agree" to pay for it. You still don't get that whole mandate thing do you?

Not the point that the OP was trying to make, is it? Try to keep up. Those who signed up agreed to pay...and they know that they are supposed to pay.

And the whole mandate thing is a nutter idea. I prefer to mandate paying for health care the same way we mandate paying for our military.

====================================
Hi Lone Laughter:
A. Notice that military defense covers ALL PEOPLE/POPULATION OF THE NATION EQUALLY.

Not so with this ACA mandate policy that (1) does NOT cover all the population, yet is supposedly mandated for everyone ["except for political, corporate, union and other special interests that have managed to opt themselves out", which makes it worse] (2) will be charged to SOME taxpayers while using those costs to cover "some people but not others"

So if it is not 100% coverage, it opens the door for debate on "what are the criteria for covering some people but not others"

In other words GOVERNMENT REGULATION of what qualifies for coverage, exemption, discounts, penalties etc.

B. for military everyone AGREES to pay for the military, across BOTH PARTIES

NOT TRUE with the ACA mandates. Notice the DIFFERENCE?

Why were all the supporting votes in Congress predominantly from ONE PARTY
while all the opposing votes were from the OTHER PARTY???

If you had all HINDUS voting FOR a policy in Congress and all MUSLIMS voting AGAINST,
wouldn't it be obvious the bill was religiously biased? Why not with POLITICAL BELIEFS?

Enforcing Partisan agenda ABOVE equal Constitutional inclusion of ALL VIEWS
is in VIOLATION of the First and Fourteenth Amendments as well as the Code of Ethics for Govt Service. Sorry to sound like a broken record; but as one of the FEW PROCHOICE DEMOCRATS who will SPEAK OUT against this violation of Constitutional Free Choice,
I believe it is important to enforce consistent principles for the integrity of our Constitution.

 

[emilynghiem]

What I wrote was:

But, like other rw's, he still doesn't get it that ObamaCare requires you to pay for your insurance whereas Reagan's Socialist EMTALA forces us to "pay higher taxes just to pay for someone else's health care".

See the difference?

Probably not but again, that's on you.

Dear Luddly:
(A) Why not fix this problem instead of making it worse?

You remind me of people who argue that white slave traders should not be blamed for slavery of Blacks because the slaves sold to them were already enslaved by the Black slave owners in Africa.

That doesn't fix the problem, but makes it even worse.

That is like saying once someone has been raped or kidnapped by one party,
then if the victim is handed over to someone else, it is okay to kidnap and
rape the person again since they were already kidnapped or raped by someone else???

(B) BTW one way that liberals/progressives could offer to fund health care WITHOUT imposing more costs/taxes is to push for long demanded prison reforms, especially more cost-effective alternatives to the contested Death Penalty.

Why not take the costs that LAW-ABIDING TAXPAYERS ARE ALREADY PAYING PER STATE, and instead of wasting those billions on a failed prison system (including paid health care and medications for inmates that do not address or cure the causes of criminal or mental illness but just make money for pharmaceutical industry), redirecting that budget to cover HEALTH CARE, HOUSING AND EDUCATION FOR LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS who are willing to pay back for welfare as a loan program instead of handouts (and high costs of punishment already charged to taxpayers that do not effectively prevent/correct the causes of crime).

Luddly, when I spoke with Ray Hill (who is a liberal activists' activist) he confirmed that the progressives he knows for Universal health care and single payer are AGAINST THE ACA.

The problem is they also do NOT see the connection with reforming the prison costs in order to check the billions wasted in the state budgets and to redirect THAT to health care!

Luddly what state do you live in? Is this prison reform a big issue where you are, as it is in Texas? If we could get the anti-death penalty activists organized around this idea, we could reform the prison and immigration system to stop wasting resources that could easily fund health care to AVOID "adding more costs or taxes" clearly protested by working people.

Why not make violators pay back restitution for crime and costs to taxpayers, and use those funds for health care? Why charge law abiding citizens for expenses of lawbreakers? How long can this system go on, without holding wrongdoers responsible for their debts?

 

[dblack]

What I wrote was:

But, like other rw's, he still doesn't get it that ObamaCare requires you to pay for your insurance whereas Reagan's Socialist EMTALA forces us to "pay higher taxes just to pay for someone else's health care".

See the difference?

Probably not but again, that's on you.

Dear Luddly:
(A) Why not fix this problem instead of making it worse?

Exactly.

 

[Meister]

Go to a full Universal Single Payer System like that of Canada. Paid for out of an increase in income taxes, one that goes all the way to the top, no cutoff as in Social Security.

Socialist or Communist, which are you old rocks?

 

[dblack]

EMTALA was designed to prevent ER and Hospital patient dumping. It is an excellent law that has saved millions of lives. When a patient presents at an ER the patient must receive care. They cannot be dumped due to lack of insurance or medical condition.


Are you now arguing to change this law? Or are you being a hack and attempting to make a bullshit and worthless political point?

Yes, changing EMTALA is exactly what we need to do. It's not an excellent law, it's an pie in the sky unfunded mandate. If we think that government should be responsible for making sure everyone gets health care, fund such a program with taxes, and quit trying to sweep your socialism under the carpet with legislative sleight of hand.

 

[Meister]

Why would I want a healthcare system where our government tells us what the premiums are and what the coverage is going to be? A government on a whim can increase premiums and we have no say because we don't have any competition whatsoever.
Canada has all sorts of problems with their healthcare system and are opening up private clinics because of the problems.
Just because you people seem to have a problem taking care of yourself doesn't mean the majority in America do. Don't get me involved with your shortcomings......idiots

 

[WelfareQueen]

EMTALA was designed to prevent ER and Hospital patient dumping. It is an excellent law that has saved millions of lives. When a patient presents at an ER the patient must receive care. They cannot be dumped due to lack of insurance or medical condition.


Are you now arguing to change this law? Or are you being a hack and attempting to make a bullshit and worthless political point?

Yes, changing EMTALA is exactly what we need to do. It's not an excellent law, it's an pie in the sky unfunded mandate. If we think that government should be responsible for making sure everyone gets health care, fund such a program with taxes, and quit trying to sweep your socialism under the carpet with legislative sleight of hand.

I work in a ER. You are dead wrong. EMTALA is an outstanding law that has saved many lives. To argue otherwise is foolish. I notice everyone who says this kind of crap has no other alternative. Typical.