Yes Obama there should be a religious test

[ScreamingEagle]

first of all.... it is required by law to take religion into account because it plays a part in the assimilation factor....

What law- be specific.

section 1158 of Title 8, U.S. Code

Not seeing it anywhere there.

Religion is mentioned 4 times

Not here:

(A) Safe third country


Paragraph (1) shall not apply to an alien if the Attorney General determines that the alien may be removed, pursuant to a bilateral or multilateral agreement, to a country (other than the country of the alien’s nationality or, in the case of an alien having no nationality, the country of the alien’s last habitual residence) in which the alien’s life or freedom would not be threatened on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion, and where the alien would have access to a full and fair procedure for determining a claim to asylum or equivalent temporary protection, unless the Attorney General finds that it is in the public interest for the alien to receive asylum in the United States.

Here religion is a factor in determining whether an applicant is eligible for asylum- for instance if a Muslim was being persecuted by ISIS based upon believing the "wrong version"of Islam

(i) In general


The burden of proof is on the applicant to establish that the applicant is a refugee, within the meaning of section 1101(a)(42)(A) of this title. To establish that the applicant is a refugee within the meaning of such section, the applicant must establish that race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion was or will be at least one central reason for persecuting the applicant.

Here it says an alien will not be granted asylum if he participated in persecution of persons

(i)
the alien ordered, incited, assisted, or otherwise participated in the persecution of any person on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion;

And here is a mention on how an alien can be removed

(C)
the alien may be removed, pursuant to a bilateral or multilateral agreement, to a country (other than the country of the alien’s nationality or, in the case of an alien having no nationality, the country of the alien’s last habitual residence) in which the alien’s life or freedom would not be threatened on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion, and where the alien is eligible to receive asylum or equivalent temporary protection;

Nowhere does the law say what you claim it says.

So were you lying, or just mislead?

are you saying that religious persecution does not factor in the refugees reason for leaving Syria....?

 

[Syriusly]

first of all.... it is required by law to take religion into account because it plays a part in the assimilation factor....

What law- be specific.

section 1158 of Title 8, U.S. Code

Not seeing it anywhere there.

Religion is mentioned 4 times

Not here:

(A) Safe third country


Paragraph (1) shall not apply to an alien if the Attorney General determines that the alien may be removed, pursuant to a bilateral or multilateral agreement, to a country (other than the country of the alien’s nationality or, in the case of an alien having no nationality, the country of the alien’s last habitual residence) in which the alien’s life or freedom would not be threatened on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion, and where the alien would have access to a full and fair procedure for determining a claim to asylum or equivalent temporary protection, unless the Attorney General finds that it is in the public interest for the alien to receive asylum in the United States.

Here religion is a factor in determining whether an applicant is eligible for asylum- for instance if a Muslim was being persecuted by ISIS based upon believing the "wrong version"of Islam

(i) In general


The burden of proof is on the applicant to establish that the applicant is a refugee, within the meaning of section 1101(a)(42)(A) of this title. To establish that the applicant is a refugee within the meaning of such section, the applicant must establish that race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion was or will be at least one central reason for persecuting the applicant.

Here it says an alien will not be granted asylum if he participated in persecution of persons

(i)
the alien ordered, incited, assisted, or otherwise participated in the persecution of any person on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion;

And here is a mention on how an alien can be removed

(C)
the alien may be removed, pursuant to a bilateral or multilateral agreement, to a country (other than the country of the alien’s nationality or, in the case of an alien having no nationality, the country of the alien’s last habitual residence) in which the alien’s life or freedom would not be threatened on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion, and where the alien is eligible to receive asylum or equivalent temporary protection;

Nowhere does the law say what you claim it says.

So were you lying, or just misled?

are you saying that religious persecution does not factor in the refugees reason for leaving Syria....?

No- I am saying that what you claimed about this law is factually false-and then I quoted the law- showing the law doesn't say anything about:

. it is required by law to take religion into account because it plays a part in the assimilation factor..

As you claimed.

So were you lying or just misled?

 

[ScreamingEagle]

there is no right to emigrate to the United States of America.....we should not throw away our values just to be compassionate to people who are in conflict with our values and beliefs and laws....

Our values and laws are supposed to include the tolerance of faiths other than Christian.

not if they are anti-American.....we don't let in Communists or Fascists do we....?

Why do you think we do not allow Communists into the United States?

There is no law against being a Communist in the United States.

as an American you can be free to believe in what you want to believe but we do NOT have to import commies which would be a threat to America......get it...?

 

[ScreamingEagle]

first of all.... it is required by law to take religion into account because it plays a part in the assimilation factor....

What law- be specific.

section 1158 of Title 8, U.S. Code

Not seeing it anywhere there.

Religion is mentioned 4 times

Not here:

(A) Safe third country


Paragraph (1) shall not apply to an alien if the Attorney General determines that the alien may be removed, pursuant to a bilateral or multilateral agreement, to a country (other than the country of the alien’s nationality or, in the case of an alien having no nationality, the country of the alien’s last habitual residence) in which the alien’s life or freedom would not be threatened on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion, and where the alien would have access to a full and fair procedure for determining a claim to asylum or equivalent temporary protection, unless the Attorney General finds that it is in the public interest for the alien to receive asylum in the United States.

Here religion is a factor in determining whether an applicant is eligible for asylum- for instance if a Muslim was being persecuted by ISIS based upon believing the "wrong version"of Islam

(i) In general


The burden of proof is on the applicant to establish that the applicant is a refugee, within the meaning of section 1101(a)(42)(A) of this title. To establish that the applicant is a refugee within the meaning of such section, the applicant must establish that race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion was or will be at least one central reason for persecuting the applicant.

Here it says an alien will not be granted asylum if he participated in persecution of persons

(i)
the alien ordered, incited, assisted, or otherwise participated in the persecution of any person on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion;

And here is a mention on how an alien can be removed

(C)
the alien may be removed, pursuant to a bilateral or multilateral agreement, to a country (other than the country of the alien’s nationality or, in the case of an alien having no nationality, the country of the alien’s last habitual residence) in which the alien’s life or freedom would not be threatened on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion, and where the alien is eligible to receive asylum or equivalent temporary protection;

Nowhere does the law say what you claim it says.

So were you lying, or just misled?

are you saying that religious persecution does not factor in the refugees reason for leaving Syria....?

No- I am saying that what you claimed about this law is factually false-

So were you lying or just misled?

so you are saying religion does not factor in the refugees coming to America...?

 

[Syriusly]

there is no right to emigrate to the United States of America.....we should not throw away our values just to be compassionate to people who are in conflict with our values and beliefs and laws....

Our values and laws are supposed to include the tolerance of faiths other than Christian.

not if they are anti-American.....we don't let in Communists or Fascists do we....?

Why do you think we do not allow Communists into the United States?

There is no law against being a Communist in the United States.

as an American you can be free to believe in what you want to believe but we do NOT have to import commies which would be a threat to America......get it...?

I didn't say we have to allow Communists into the United States- I asked why you believe we do not allow Communists in?

We have people from Communists countries here in the U.S. all of the time- Vietnamese, Chinese- we don't even ask them if they are communists.

 

[Syriusly]

What law- be specific.

section 1158 of Title 8, U.S. Code

Not seeing it anywhere there.

Religion is mentioned 4 times

Not here:

(A) Safe third country


Paragraph (1) shall not apply to an alien if the Attorney General determines that the alien may be removed, pursuant to a bilateral or multilateral agreement, to a country (other than the country of the alien’s nationality or, in the case of an alien having no nationality, the country of the alien’s last habitual residence) in which the alien’s life or freedom would not be threatened on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion, and where the alien would have access to a full and fair procedure for determining a claim to asylum or equivalent temporary protection, unless the Attorney General finds that it is in the public interest for the alien to receive asylum in the United States.

Here religion is a factor in determining whether an applicant is eligible for asylum- for instance if a Muslim was being persecuted by ISIS based upon believing the "wrong version"of Islam

(i) In general


The burden of proof is on the applicant to establish that the applicant is a refugee, within the meaning of section 1101(a)(42)(A) of this title. To establish that the applicant is a refugee within the meaning of such section, the applicant must establish that race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion was or will be at least one central reason for persecuting the applicant.

Here it says an alien will not be granted asylum if he participated in persecution of persons

(i)
the alien ordered, incited, assisted, or otherwise participated in the persecution of any person on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion;

And here is a mention on how an alien can be removed

(C)
the alien may be removed, pursuant to a bilateral or multilateral agreement, to a country (other than the country of the alien’s nationality or, in the case of an alien having no nationality, the country of the alien’s last habitual residence) in which the alien’s life or freedom would not be threatened on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion, and where the alien is eligible to receive asylum or equivalent temporary protection;

Nowhere does the law say what you claim it says.

So were you lying, or just misled?

are you saying that religious persecution does not factor in the refugees reason for leaving Syria....?

No- I am saying that what you claimed about this law is factually false-

So were you lying or just misled?

so you are saying religion does not factor in the refugees coming to America...?

No- I am saying that what you claimed about this law is factually false-and then I quoted the law- showing the law doesn't say anything about:

. it is required by law to take religion into account because it plays a part in the assimilation factor..

As you claimed.

So were you lying or just misled?

 

[Coyote]

first of all.... it is required by law to take religion into account because it plays a part in the assimilation factor...

for example....if your religion tells you that if you leave the Islamic faith you should be killed....this is not acceptable in the USA.....our laws do not permit killing anybody for leaving their religion....

so if you do not want to reject sharia law that is in conflict with American law and you don't want to assimilate......get the hell out of here...! there are plenty of Islamic countries that would be much better suited for you....

Religions tell us to do a lot of whacky things that are not acceptable in the USA.

 

[Coyote]

there is no right to emigrate to the United States of America.....we should not throw away our values just to be compassionate to people who are in conflict with our values and beliefs and laws....

Our values and laws are supposed to include the tolerance of faiths other than Christian.

not if they are anti-American.....we don't let in Communists or Fascists do we....?

Clearly we do.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

section 1158 of Title 8, U.S. Code

Not seeing it anywhere there.

Religion is mentioned 4 times

Not here:

(A) Safe third country


Paragraph (1) shall not apply to an alien if the Attorney General determines that the alien may be removed, pursuant to a bilateral or multilateral agreement, to a country (other than the country of the alien’s nationality or, in the case of an alien having no nationality, the country of the alien’s last habitual residence) in which the alien’s life or freedom would not be threatened on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion, and where the alien would have access to a full and fair procedure for determining a claim to asylum or equivalent temporary protection, unless the Attorney General finds that it is in the public interest for the alien to receive asylum in the United States.

Here religion is a factor in determining whether an applicant is eligible for asylum- for instance if a Muslim was being persecuted by ISIS based upon believing the "wrong version"of Islam

(i) In general


The burden of proof is on the applicant to establish that the applicant is a refugee, within the meaning of section 1101(a)(42)(A) of this title. To establish that the applicant is a refugee within the meaning of such section, the applicant must establish that race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion was or will be at least one central reason for persecuting the applicant.

Here it says an alien will not be granted asylum if he participated in persecution of persons

(i)
the alien ordered, incited, assisted, or otherwise participated in the persecution of any person on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion;

And here is a mention on how an alien can be removed

(C)
the alien may be removed, pursuant to a bilateral or multilateral agreement, to a country (other than the country of the alien’s nationality or, in the case of an alien having no nationality, the country of the alien’s last habitual residence) in which the alien’s life or freedom would not be threatened on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion, and where the alien is eligible to receive asylum or equivalent temporary protection;

Nowhere does the law say what you claim it says.

So were you lying, or just misled?

are you saying that religious persecution does not factor in the refugees reason for leaving Syria....?

No- I am saying that what you claimed about this law is factually false-

So were you lying or just misled?

so you are saying religion does not factor in the refugees coming to America...?

No- I am saying that what you claimed about this law is factually false-and then I quoted the law- showing the law doesn't say anything about:

. it is required by law to take religion into account because it plays a part in the assimilation factor..

As you claimed.

So were you lying or just misled?

why won't you answer my question....?

 

[ScreamingEagle]

first of all.... it is required by law to take religion into account because it plays a part in the assimilation factor...

for example....if your religion tells you that if you leave the Islamic faith you should be killed....this is not acceptable in the USA.....our laws do not permit killing anybody for leaving their religion....

so if you do not want to reject sharia law that is in conflict with American law and you don't want to assimilate......get the hell out of here...! there are plenty of Islamic countries that would be much better suited for you....

Religions tell us to do a lot of whacky things that are not acceptable in the USA.

so do other beliefs....

 

[Londoner]

for example....if your religion tells you that if you leave the Islamic faith you should be killed....this is not acceptable in the USA.....our laws do not permit killing anybody for leaving their religion....

Yes, but by rejecting Syrian refugee because of their religion, you are sentencing them to death.

The radical right in the USA and the radical right in the Middle East are dangerous, and they are both using fear to foreclose the possibility of a stable, moderate Syria and Iraq.

Turkey and Jordan prove that you can have a nation of over 90% Muslims that peacefully co-exists with the USA - but the OP and ISIS don't want peaceful co-existence because they each think the other is evil beyond repair.

If the OP and ISIS win, we will have a war without end that results in a terminal loop of western military activism followed by terrorist blowback followed by more U.S. bombs. If the OP loses, we will empower the moderates on both sides of this holy war to marginalize the extremists on both sides.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

there is no right to emigrate to the United States of America.....we should not throw away our values just to be compassionate to people who are in conflict with our values and beliefs and laws....

Our values and laws are supposed to include the tolerance of faiths other than Christian.

not if they are anti-American.....we don't let in Communists or Fascists do we....?

Clearly we do.

there were times when we didn't....

 

[Sallow]

that's why they tried to hide Obama's religion. If the people actually knew what Wright's teachings really were about. and it's damn sure wasn't a religion of peaceful means. research Black Liberation and you'll see where we are in the country today under the thug Obama

you bet....i've ranted about his BL ties in the past.....frankly i think Obama is first a marxist and second a muslim......but the two have alot in common...

So now communists are religious.

Who'd of thunk?

 

[Lilah]

first of all.... it is required by law to take religion into account because it plays a part in the assimilation factor...

for example....if your religion tells you that if you leave the Islamic faith you should be killed....this is not acceptable in the USA.....our laws do not permit killing anybody for leaving their religion....

so if you do not want to reject sharia law that is in conflict with American law and you don't want to assimilate......get the hell out of here...! there are plenty of Islamic countries that would be much better suited for you....

What law - please site the law....

"Under federal law, the executive branch [of the United States of America] is expressly required to take religion into account in determining who is granted asylum. Under the provision governing asylum (section 1158 of Title 8, US Code), an alien applying for admission must establish that … religion [among other things] ... was or will be at least one central reason for persecuting the applicant."
We ask them about religion! We do decide who gets in and who does not based on aspects of religion.

 

[Sallow]

first of all.... it is required by law to take religion into account because it plays a part in the assimilation factor....

What law- be specific.

section 1158 of Title 8, U.S. Code

You're misreading the law.

Obama said religion should not matter....the law says it does....

Not in the way you think it does.

If the refugee's religion, subjects him or her to persecution, it bolsters the case FOR asylum in this country.

 

[sealybobo]

first of all.... it is required by law to take religion into account because it plays a part in the assimilation factor...

for example....if your religion tells you that if you leave the Islamic faith you should be killed....this is not acceptable in the USA.....our laws do not permit killing anybody for leaving their religion....

so if you do not want to reject sharia law that is in conflict with American law and you don't want to assimilate......get the hell out of here...! there are plenty of Islamic countries that would be much better suited for you....

Maybe the laws will change when the population is 51% Muslims, 25% Atheists and 25% Christians.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

for example....if your religion tells you that if you leave the Islamic faith you should be killed....this is not acceptable in the USA.....our laws do not permit killing anybody for leaving their religion....

Yes, but by rejecting Syrian refugee because of their religion, you are sentencing them to death.

The radical right in the USA and the radical right in the Middle East are dangerous, and they are both using fear to foreclose the possibility of a stable, moderate Syria and Iraq.

Turkey and Jordan prove that you can have a nation of over 90% Muslims that peacefully co-exists with the USA - but the OP and ISIS don't want peaceful co-existence because they each think the other is evil beyond repair.

If the OP and ISIS win, we will have a war without end that results in a terminal loop of western military activism followed by terrorist blowback followed by more U.S. bombs. If the OP loses, we will empower the moderates on both sides of this holy war to marginalize the extremists on both sides.

there is war in lots of place where people are dying......does that mean we must take in everybody who is at war....? that would be crazy....

there are many muslim countries that could but are refusing to take in the Syrian refugees.....why?

 

[Syriusly]

first of all.... it is required by law to take religion into account because it plays a part in the assimilation factor...

for example....if your religion tells you that if you leave the Islamic faith you should be killed....this is not acceptable in the USA.....our laws do not permit killing anybody for leaving their religion....

so if you do not want to reject sharia law that is in conflict with American law and you don't want to assimilate......get the hell out of here...! there are plenty of Islamic countries that would be much better suited for you....

What law - please site the law....

"Under federal law, the executive branch [of the United States of America] is expressly required to take religion into account in determining who is granted asylum. Under the provision governing asylum (section 1158 of Title 8, US Code), an alien applying for admission must establish that … religion [among other things] ... was or will be at least one central reason for persecuting the applicant."
We ask them about religion! We do decide who gets in and who does not based on aspects of religion.

No more than we decide who gets in based upon their race.

Whether someone is being persecuted because of their religion- or race- can be a factor in determining asylum eligiblity- not whether they belong to one religion or another.

Nothing in the law says- for example- that we can welcome Christians but not Jews based upon their religion.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

first of all.... it is required by law to take religion into account because it plays a part in the assimilation factor....

What law- be specific.

section 1158 of Title 8, U.S. Code

You're misreading the law.

Obama said religion should not matter....the law says it does....

Not in the way you think it does.

If the refugee's religion, subjects him or her to persecution, it bolsters the case FOR asylum in this country.

that is true.....but Obama thinks we should not ask about religion.....whereas in the law it says we should...

i took it a step further.....if their religion causes conflict with America they should not come here....

 

[Syriusly]

first of all.... it is required by law to take religion into account because it plays a part in the assimilation factor...
...

Still waiting for you to show us a law that supports your claim.