YES, America CERTAINLY WAS FOUNDED as a CHRISTIAN NATION...

[ima]

You swear on a bible in court, we are "one nation under god" and "in god we trust" is written on government paper that's in your pocket right now. And every President has been sworn in with his hand on the bible, never mind that a non-christian has no chance at the White House.
Tommie might have put in the constitution the part about separation of church and state, but just like the bible..., just because someone wrote it down doesn't make it so.

 

[MHunterB]

"The Founding Fathers founded this nation in the belief that it would be a Christian population that lived in it. They had no belief that an amoral population could ever conduct themselves with the self discipline needed to have a successful Republic."

And of course you can show us PROOF of this allegation in the form of our foundational documents!

It appears that you - and you alone! - have chosen to equate "christian" with "moral" . It further appears that you have decided that "nonChristian" means 'amoral'.

Who died and left you the boss of everyone else in America?

 

[MHunterB]

You swear on a bible in court, we are "one nation under god" and "in god we trust" is written on government paper that's in your pocket right now. And every President has been sworn in with his hand on the bible, never mind that a non-christian has no chance at the White House.
Tommie might have put in the constitution the part about separation of church and state, but just like the bible..., just because someone wrote it down doesn't make it so.

Poor IMA seems unable to distinguish between 'custom' and 'law'.
Bible in court: Custom, not required.
'In GOD we trust': custom, not 'official'
'one nation under GOD': unauthorized change (the minister who composed the pledge did NOT write it that way)
Bible at swearing-in: Again, it's merely custom: the Jewish and Muslim members of Congress and the SCOTUS have used their own Scriptures. And I thought Jefferson may have used his personal bible, the one without all the stuff he didn't like?

What Jefferson put in the Constitution surely IS official.

 

[ima]

You swear on a bible in court, we are "one nation under god" and "in god we trust" is written on government paper that's in your pocket right now. And every President has been sworn in with his hand on the bible, never mind that a non-christian has no chance at the White House.
Tommie might have put in the constitution the part about separation of church and state, but just like the bible..., just because someone wrote it down doesn't make it so.

Poor IMA seems unable to distinguish between 'custom' and 'law'.
Bible in court: Custom, not required.
'In GOD we trust': custom, not 'official'
'one nation under GOD': unauthorized change (the minister who composed the pledge did NOT write it that way)
Bible at swearing-in: Again, it's merely custom: the Jewish and Muslim members of Congress and the SCOTUS have used their own Scriptures. And I thought Jefferson may have used his personal bible, the one without all the stuff he didn't like?

What Jefferson put in the Constitution surely IS official.

Poor Hun seems unable to distinguish between his own preference and fact.

As well, people use laws to deny or try to deny religious things like gay marriage and abortion, and to have creationism taught in schools.

But the main thing is that we have freedom of religion, instead of freedom FROM religion, as we would have if we were a non-religious nation.

PS the world wasn't made in 6 days either, no matter how many books are printed that say it was.

 

[MHunterB]

Ima is singularly unobservant - or remains ignorant of the laws of English Grammar.

 

[ima]

In the United States, the religious civil liberties are guaranteed by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

If we weren't founded as a religious (christian) country, then why don't we have freedom FROM religion?

 

[gkjpalmer]

Every person in the US is free to practice their Religion, even Christianity. WHAT A GREAT THING!

Its a bit to bad however that I was'nt a Founding Father. If I was, our country would have been based on the religion of gkjpalmerism and if you did not follow or obey, off with your head. Now, wash my car!

 

[LOki]

In the United States, the religious civil liberties are guaranteed by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

If we weren't founded as a religious (christian) country, then why don't we have freedom FROM religion?

Freedom of religion includes, as a necessary premise, freedom from religion. If this were not so (and this was indeed a Christian nation), then Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, ect. ..., would not be free to practice their religions because a fundamental tenet of Christianity is intolerance for those who are not Christians.

For Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, ect. ..., freedom of religion includes freedom FROM the Christian religion. The relationship is reciprocal, and distributive so that everyone--including atheists--can enjoy freedom (in regard to the coercive appurtenances of government) from the religions of others.

 

[MHunterB]

In the United States, the religious civil liberties are guaranteed by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

If we weren't founded as a religious (christian) country, then why don't we have freedom FROM religion?

We do: there are no penalties for being an atheist, no bar to any office.

 

[jack113]

You can make all the uninformed remarks you want but the truth is your religious rhetoric does not support the American constitution that makes religious beliefs a personal not political movement.

The Constitution was written to limit the federal government, not the states and in no way limits the people from engaging in any religiously motivated political movements that they want. So the Constitution prohibits no kind of religious political movement in any way, but only the federal goverenment.

My constitution says all people have a right to their own religious beliefs thats ALL PEOPLE not just any given religious sect.

A relgiously based movement does not necesarily prohibit any other religious expression.

My Constitution also says all men are created equal and our republic is government of the people, by the people, for the people not the religion.

The Founding Fathers founded this nation in the belief that it would be a Christian population that lived in it. They had no belief that an amoral population could ever conduct themselves with the self discipline needed to have a successful Republic.

The two lying sacks of shit that are running for President on the Dem and GOP tickets prove that the FF were exactly right.

The founding fathers were not religious hypocritical fanatics and many of them did not believe in any god so take your fake history to someone else.

 

[logical4u]

Exodus 20:3
Deuteronomy 17:2 - 5

VS.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; ..."

Game over.

Muslims are using the UN to stomp all over your freedom of religion and speech (to protect the dead prophet, Mohammed).

Looks like mighty whitey is doing all the stomping.

So where is "mighty whitey" murdering people for not believing as they do? Where are whites burning mosques or pagan temples because they belong to another faith? Where are whites passing laws that other religions cannot be practiced in their countries? Where are whites subjugating women and stoning them in the streets? Where are whites hanging homosexuals (after raping them) because homosexuality is against their religion?

Love how "you people" (against Christian conservatives) look the other way for crimes against man and God, while pointing out insignificant faults of those that you ENVY.

 

[logical4u]

Jefferson requested church services in the Capital
A Church very Few People Know About right in the heart of D.C.


U.S. Capitol Tour with David Barton

 

[logical4u]

Jefferson requested church services in the Capital
A Church very Few People Know About right in the heart of D.C.


U.S. Capitol Tour with David Barton

 

[bodecea]

You swear on a bible in court, we are "one nation under god" and "in god we trust" is written on government paper that's in your pocket right now. And every President has been sworn in with his hand on the bible, never mind that a non-christian has no chance at the White House.
Tommie might have put in the constitution the part about separation of church and state, but just like the bible..., just because someone wrote it down doesn't make it so.

It is not required to swear on a bible in court...and that doesn't stop people from lying anyways.

 

[bodecea]

Jefferson requested church services in the Capital
A Church very Few People Know About right in the heart of D.C.


U.S. Capitol Tour with David Barton

Requesting is a hell of a lot different than making it law.

 

[logical4u]

Jefferson requested church services in the Capital
A Church very Few People Know About right in the heart of D.C.


U.S. Capitol Tour with David Barton

Requesting is a hell of a lot different than making it law.

That was a tidbit for those claiming Jefferson was not a Christian.....

 

[LOki]

Jefferson requested church services in the Capital
A Church very Few People Know About right in the heart of D.C.


U.S. Capitol Tour with David Barton

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It appears that David Barton is for the 1st Amendment, what Michael Bellesiles was for the 2nd Amendment.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Stay focused on the thread, and you will figure out. Now go back to comforting your male customers.

In the law of the land, the Constitution supersedes the Bible. Period.

Who says it doesnt, jack ass?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Annihilating entire nations of people makes the Bible morally superior.

You are as crazy as Sunni man.

Jack, my Constitution says the same as yours.

And that Constitution is the supreme law of our land. NOTHING supersedes it, not even your Bible or mine.

And WHO says the Bible supercedes the Constitution as the law of the land?

The Bible is morally superior to the Constitution, but not legally superior.

 

[ima]

In the United States, the religious civil liberties are guaranteed by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

If we weren't founded as a religious (christian) country, then why don't we have freedom FROM religion?

We do: there are no penalties for being an atheist, no bar to any office.

You're such an idiot. Do you actually believe your last statement? You think that an Atheist could get elected Prez of the US?