Yankees fire Joe Girardi

[rightwinger]

The manager is baseball is the most overrated job in sports. They get way to much credit when they win and way too much slack when they lose.


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Agree

Most can be done by computer now with Sabermetrics

As Michael Kay alluded to, Sabermetrics/Analytics are great things to help run the sport, and if he owned a team he would 100% use them, but they take all the fun out of the game.

I'd like to see what would happen if all you had was a computer in the dugout

It would tell you pitch by pitch what your best probabilities are and where you should place your outfielders
Monitor a pitcher on every pitch for velocity and placement and tell you when he should come out and who he should be replaced with

So when the ump makes a bad strike call someone just throws the computer at them?

Who needs an ump?
You can see balls and strikes right on TV with that batters box and pitch track
(actually, the ump does pretty good calling balls and strikes)

 

[martybegan]

The manager is baseball is the most overrated job in sports. They get way to much credit when they win and way too much slack when they lose.


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Agree

Most can be done by computer now with Sabermetrics

As Michael Kay alluded to, Sabermetrics/Analytics are great things to help run the sport, and if he owned a team he would 100% use them, but they take all the fun out of the game.

I'd like to see what would happen if all you had was a computer in the dugout

It would tell you pitch by pitch what your best probabilities are and where you should place your outfielders
Monitor a pitcher on every pitch for velocity and placement and tell you when he should come out and who he should be replaced with

So when the ump makes a bad strike call someone just throws the computer at them?

Who needs an ump?
You can see balls and strikes right on TV with that batters box and pitch track
(actually, the ump does pretty good calling balls and strikes)

I for one like the fact the Strike Zone can change from Ump to Ump, as long as they are consistent throughout the game.

As for the computer, what if someone hacks it to direct each batter to baltimore chop each time they are up to bat?

 

[Rocko]

The manager is baseball is the most overrated job in sports. They get way to much credit when they win and way too much slack when they lose.


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^ This

In baseball the manager has a minimal impact

 

[Rocko]

The manager is baseball is the most overrated job in sports. They get way to much credit when they win and way too much slack when they lose.


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Agree

Most can be done by computer now with Sabermetrics

The only important thing a skipper does is deciding when to change pitchers. That requires having a feel for the game, which will always require a human touch.

 

[rightwinger]

The manager is baseball is the most overrated job in sports. They get way to much credit when they win and way too much slack when they lose.


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Agree

Most can be done by computer now with Sabermetrics

The only important thing a skipper does is deciding when to change pitchers. That requires having a feel for the game, which will always require a human touch.

Not any more
They count his pitches, measure his velocity, look at the situation and then pull him

Just like robots

 

[Pogo]

The manager is baseball is the most overrated job in sports. They get way to much credit when they win and way too much slack when they lose.


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Agree

Most can be done by computer now with Sabermetrics

The only important thing a skipper does is deciding when to change pitchers. That requires having a feel for the game, which will always require a human touch.

This is true. No computer can measure "momentum".

 

[rightwinger]

The manager is baseball is the most overrated job in sports. They get way to much credit when they win and way too much slack when they lose.


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Agree

Most can be done by computer now with Sabermetrics

The only important thing a skipper does is deciding when to change pitchers. That requires having a feel for the game, which will always require a human touch.

This is true. No computer can measure "momentum".

In todays game, gut instinct will get you fired
Computer says he should have been pulled and you leave him in to get shelled
Its your head

 

[Rocko]

The manager is baseball is the most overrated job in sports. They get way to much credit when they win and way too much slack when they lose.


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Agree

Most can be done by computer now with Sabermetrics

The only important thing a skipper does is deciding when to change pitchers. That requires having a feel for the game, which will always require a human touch.

Not any more
They count his pitches, measure his velocity, look at the situation and then pull him

Just like robots

Well theoretically of course a robot could do the job, but feel for the game is a little bit more than measuring pitch counts and velocity. It would be interesting to see if a cheap owner ever went the robot route though.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Were George Steinbrenner still the owner, Altuve, Verlander and the Yanks would be in the World Series.

 

[Pogo]

Were George Steinbrenner still the owner, Altuve, Verlander and the Yanks would be in the World Series.

That's exactly why everybody hates the Wankees.

 

[rightwinger]

Girardi just completed one of the best seasons a Yankee manager ever had in term of exceeding expectations

Young players performed like All-Stars, Old veteran pitchers regained their form, bullpen was unstoppable

Yankee management says....we can do better

 

[rightwinger]

Were George Steinbrenner still the owner, Altuve, Verlander and the Yanks would be in the World Series.

If George Steinbrenner were there.......Judge and Sanchez would have been traded

 

[rightwinger]

The manager is baseball is the most overrated job in sports. They get way to much credit when they win and way too much slack when they lose.


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Agree

Most can be done by computer now with Sabermetrics

The only important thing a skipper does is deciding when to change pitchers. That requires having a feel for the game, which will always require a human touch.

Not any more
They count his pitches, measure his velocity, look at the situation and then pull him

Just like robots

Well theoretically of course a robot could do the job, but feel for the game is a little bit more than measuring pitch counts and velocity. It would be interesting to see if a cheap owner ever went the robot route though.

Even though they won't admit it,on most teams there already is some statistical geek up in the press box crunching numbers as the game goes on
Manager is just there to spit tobacco and swear at the umpires

 

[Pogo]

Any manager can have stats and probabilities fed to him for consideration, and they all do. What a manager's role really is is that of psychologist --- to know how to get the most out of his players and have them strike at their peaks. To provide the emotional inspiration.

Take Ryne Sandberg. Please. Great player in his day but the dood has the demeanor of a mortician. He makes the idea of watching paint dry seem exhilarating.

On the other hand Lou Pinella prolly should have won 130 games every year by that measure, so it's complex.

As the wise old philosopher Joachin Andujar put it, "baseball can be summed up in one word, and that one word is --- 'you never know'".

 

[rightwinger]

Any manager can have stats and probabilities fed to him for consideration, and they all do. What a manager's role really is is that of psychologist --- to know how to get the most out of his players and have them strike at their peaks. To provide the emotional inspiration.

Take Ryne Sandberg. Please. Great player in his day but the dood has the demeanor of a mortician. He makes the idea of watching paint dry seem exhilarating.

On the other hand Lou Pinella prolly should have won 130 games every year by that measure, so it's complex.

As the wise old philosopher Joachin Andujar put it, "baseball can be summed up in one word, and that one word is --- 'you never know'".

I agree with you

But I think most teams are going with Billy Beane type GMs who have their own statistical geeks and will evaluate a managers instincts against what the computer says should have been done

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Anytime the Yankees don't win the WS they should fire the manager and the GM. With the unfair big-market advantage they have, anything less than a WS win is an utter failure.

 

[my2¢]

Anytime the Yankees don't win the WS they should fire the manager and the GM. With the unfair big-market advantage they have, anything less than a WS win is an utter failure.

That makes sense to me but reality shows that the more free market MLB has more diversity of teams winning championships than what we see in the more socialist NFL.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Anytime the Yankees don't win the WS they should fire the manager and the GM. With the unfair big-market advantage they have, anything less than a WS win is an utter failure.

That makes sense to me but reality shows that the more free market MLB has more diversity of teams winning championships than what we see in the more socialist NFL.

Not really. The Royals and Marlins were flukes. The big market teams have made the playoffs incessantly since the 1994 strike.
NFL success reflects good management since the market there is leveled. Successful GM's tend to have continued success regardless of which team employs them. Whoever runs the Patriots should be the envy of every other team.

 

[rightwinger]

Anytime the Yankees don't win the WS they should fire the manager and the GM. With the unfair big-market advantage they have, anything less than a WS win is an utter failure.

That makes sense to me but reality shows that the more free market MLB has more diversity of teams winning championships than what we see in the more socialist NFL.

Teams like Houston can lose 100 games four years in a row and stockpile young talent
Now they are in the series

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Anytime the Yankees don't win the WS they should fire the manager and the GM. With the unfair big-market advantage they have, anything less than a WS win is an utter failure.

That makes sense to me but reality shows that the more free market MLB has more diversity of teams winning championships than what we see in the more socialist NFL.

Teams like Houston can lose 100 games four years in a row and stockpile young talent
Now they are in the series

They're also the 4th largest city in the US. The other three bigger cities represented the other three teams in the playoffs. No surprise.