WTC building 7

[eots]

name one steel framed hi-rise building that has suffered a complete collapse...other than the WTC buildings

that is a concrete building..not a steel framed hi- rise

 

[PredFan]

The thing that the Inside Job theorists can't explain is how and why.

We are just supposed to believe that a demolition team came into the buildings and rigged it to fall without anyone every knowing about it or seeing it done. Then we are supposed to believe that everyone on the demolition team has maintained complete silence on it.

I'm sorry, the official version is way more believable.

 

[eots]

name one steel framed hi-rise building that has suffered a complete collapse...other than the WTC buildings

substandard Further investigation revealed the building was built with incorrect application of a technique called "flat slab construction". Reinforced concrete buildings are often built using columns and beams, with the floor slab supported over the full length of the beams. "Flat slab construction" does not use beams, but supports the floor slab directly on the columns. The area of floor around the columns must be reinforced in order to carry the load; even then, if the columns are too narrow, they can punch through the slab. However, plans of the Sampoong Department Store building showed the concrete columns were only 60 cm in diameter, mix of cement and sea water and poorly reinforced concrete was used for the ceilings and walls.
Sampoong Department Store collapse - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[eots]

The thing that the Inside Job theorists can't explain is how and why.

We are just supposed to believe that a demolition team came into the buildings and rigged it to fall without anyone every knowing about it or seeing it done. Then we are supposed to believe that everyone on the demolition team has maintained complete silence on it.

I'm sorry, the official version is way more believable.

ya who cares about the physics or molten metal..if it seems to hard to pull off..it must be the impossible NIST collapse story..lol

 

[PredFan]

The thing that the Inside Job theorists can't explain is how and why.

We are just supposed to believe that a demolition team came into the buildings and rigged it to fall without anyone every knowing about it or seeing it done. Then we are supposed to believe that everyone on the demolition team has maintained complete silence on it.

I'm sorry, the official version is way more believable.

ya who cares about the physics or molten metal..if it seems to hard to pull off..it must be the impossible NIST collapse story..lol

Except that the physics is fine. The only people who don't know that are the people who believe the CTs

 

[Agit8r]

name one steel framed hi-rise building that has suffered a complete collapse...other than the WTC buildings

that is a concrete building..not a steel framed hi- rise

As one can clearly see from the beams in the wreckage, steel framing was used extensively in the collapsed portion. The portion left standing appears to be reinforced concrete. Bear in mind that all skyscrapers are made of both concrete and steel.

That building was only 5 stories high, and collapsed only because of poor construction. This is illustrative of how little needs to go wrong for a building to collapse.

It takes considerably more structural strength to hold up a 47 story building, and when it has been gashed by debris, and then gutted by a fire, there can be little surprise that it collapsed.

9 11 Conspiracy Theories - Debunking the Myths - World Trade Center

 

[eots]

name one steel framed hi-rise building that has suffered a complete collapse...other than the WTC buildings

that is a concrete building..not a steel framed hi- rise

As one can clearly see, the portion that collapsed was indeed steel framed. The portion left standing appears to be reinforced concrete. Bear in mind that all skyscrapers are made of both concrete and steel.

That building was only 5 stories high, and collapsed only because of poor construction. This is illustrative of how little needs to go wrong for a building to collapse.

It takes considerably more structural strength to hold up a 47 story building, and when it has been gashed by debris, and then gutted by a fire, there can be little surprise that it collapsed.

9 11 Conspiracy Theories - Debunking the Myths - World Trade Center

It was not steel framed..its concrete and the supporting columns were concrete stop bullshiting

 

[eots]

name one steel framed hi-rise building that has suffered a complete collapse...other than the WTC buildings

that is a concrete building..not a steel framed hi- rise

As one can clearly see from the beams in the wreckage, steel framing was used extensively in the collapsed portion. The portion left standing appears to be reinforced concrete. Bear in mind that all skyscrapers are made of both concrete and steel.

That building was only 5 stories high, and collapsed only because of poor construction. This is illustrative of how little needs to go wrong for a building to collapse.

It takes considerably more structural strength to hold up a 47 story building, and when it has been gashed by debris, and then gutted by a fire, there can be little surprise that it collapsed.

9 11 Conspiracy Theories - Debunking the Myths - World Trade Center

you are contradicting the NIST report again NIST determined damage from falling debris was not a factor in the collapse

 

[PredFan]

The building went down, that is a fact. So now we have to decide what to believe about the reasons why
It went down. I have heard the official version, and I've heard the conspiracies. Even though the official version doesn't explain everything, the CTs are too far fetched to even be taken seriously.

The reason that the official version of events has holes in it is because they have to piece together a theory based on going over the evidence. It is their best answer and likely it is the closest we are ever going to get to the truth.

It's one thing to poke holes in the official version, that's easy, the hard part is supporting the wild and crazy conspiracy theories that have risen up to take its place.

 

[Agit8r]

name one steel framed hi-rise building that has suffered a complete collapse...other than the WTC buildings

that is a concrete building..not a steel framed hi- rise

As one can clearly see from the beams in the wreckage, steel framing was used extensively in the collapsed portion. The portion left standing appears to be reinforced concrete. Bear in mind that all skyscrapers are made of both concrete and steel.

That building was only 5 stories high, and collapsed only because of poor construction. This is illustrative of how little needs to go wrong for a building to collapse.

It takes considerably more structural strength to hold up a 47 story building, and when it has been gashed by debris, and then gutted by a fire, there can be little surprise that it collapsed.

9 11 Conspiracy Theories - Debunking the Myths - World Trade Center

you are contradicting the NIST report again NIST determined damage from falling debris was not a factor in the collapse

From the link:

"FACT: Many conspiracy theorists point to FEMA's preliminary report, which said there was relatively light damage to WTC 7 prior to its collapse. With the benefit of more time and resources, NIST researchers now support the working hypothesis that WTC 7 was far more compromised by falling debris than the FEMA report indicated. "The most important thing we found was that there was, in fact, physical damage to the south face of building 7," NIST's Sunder tells PM. "On about a third of the face to the center and to the bottom—approximately 10 stories—about 25 percent of the depth of the building was scooped out." NIST also discovered previously undocumented damage to WTC 7's upper stories and its southwest corner."

9 11 Conspiracy Theories - Debunking the Myths - World Trade Center

 

[LA RAM FAN]

name one steel framed hi-rise building that has suffered a complete collapse...other than the WTC buildings

that is a concrete building..not a steel framed hi- rise

As one can clearly see from the beams in the wreckage, steel framing was used extensively in the collapsed portion. The portion left standing appears to be reinforced concrete. Bear in mind that all skyscrapers are made of both concrete and steel.

That building was only 5 stories high, and collapsed only because of poor construction. This is illustrative of how little needs to go wrong for a building to collapse.

It takes considerably more structural strength to hold up a 47 story building, and when it has been gashed by debris, and then gutted by a fire, there can be little surprise that it collapsed.

9 11 Conspiracy Theories - Debunking the Myths - World Trade Center

another DEBWUNKER link while getting desperate. sorry to break your heart but Griffiths book DEBUNKING THE DEBUNKING AN ANSWER TO POPULAR MECHANICS AND OTHER DEFENDERS OF THE OFFICIAL CONSPIRACY THEORY debunks that propaganda link of yours. No matter how many times i mention that book you all refuse to take me up on the challenge and read it.


this video debunks that propaganda link of yours.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Why are loons like you still furthering these silly conspiracy theories?

clean debate zone..doubt you can handle it

I agree that your conspiracy theories are hardly the stuff of debate, clean or otherwise.

You are not capable..you prove it with every post..you can not support your position so you resort to inane comments..you lose

Cutting and pasting silly conspiracy theory drivel is pointless and time wasting.

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I see like clockwork,the 9/11 apologists as always are playing dodgeball with this video of yours Eots.so predictable.lol

 

[Agit8r]

The basic Truther argument seems to be that physics requires a conspiracy. If there was a conspiracy, it isn't obvious from the facts of the case. There are other more plausible explanations.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Nothing up my sleeve, presto!

GAITHERSBURG, Maryland -- The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) has released its long-awaited report on the collapse of World Trade 7 following the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. "Our take-home message today is that the reason for the collapse of World Trade Center 7 is no longer a mystery," NIST lead investigator Shyam Sunder told journalists at this morning's press conference in Gaithersburg, Md. "WTC 7 collapsed because of fires fueled by office furnishings. It did not collapse from explosives or from diesel fuel fires."

World Trade Center 7 Report Puts 9 11 Conspiracy Theory to Rest​

office fires do not create a symmetrical collapses of steel framed hi-rise buildings at free fall speed

The link explains how it does. I guess you haven't read what you are replying to?

After 7 hours of uncontrolled fires, a steel girder on Floor 13 lost its connection to one of the 81 columns supporting the building. Floor 13 collapsed, beginning a cascade of floor failures to Floor 5. Column 79, no longer supported by a girder, buckled, triggering a rapid succession of structural failures that moved from east to west. All 23 central columns, followed by the exterior columns, failed in what's known as a "progressive collapse"--that is, local damage that spreads from one structural element to another, eventually resulting in the collapse of the entire structure.

The report clarifies a number of widely debated issues concerning the collapse, particularly the role of the building's many diesel fuel tanks and the importance of structural damage from falling WTC 1 debris. Both of those factors have been cited by investigators as possibly contributing to the collapse; the 2006 Popular Mechanics book Debunking 9/11 Myths: Why Conspiracy Theories Can't Stand Up to the Facts mentions both hypotheses. However, the final NIST report downplays both scenarios...


.... In fact, the report concludes: "Even without the structural damage, WTC 7 would have collapsed from fires."

The report determines that the actual culprit in the collapse was the combustion of ordinary building furnishings: "These uncontrolled fires had characteristics similar to those that have occurred previously in tall buildings." If the sprinkler system in WTC 7 had been working, it is likely that "the fires in WTC 7 would have been controlled and the collapse prevented." The report also suggests that current engineering standards for coping with fire-induced thermal expansion need to be re-examined, particularly for buildings like WTC 7 that have long, unsupported floor spans. A key factor in the collapse, NIST concluded, was the failure of structural "connections that were designed to resist gravity loads, but not thermally induced lateral loads." According to Sunder: "For the first time we have shown that fire can induce a progressive collapse."

World Trade Center 7 Report Puts 9 11 Conspiracy Theory to Rest​

a DEBWUNKER link in desperation. as always,you refuse to read an opposing view that debunks that DEBWUNKER link of yours,that book i have named here a thousand times previously.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

The basic Truther argument seems to be that physics requires a conspiracy. If there was a conspiracy, it isn't obvious from the facts of the case. There are other more plausible explanations.

were not talking about the governments version of JFK,the other fairy tale of theirs.were talking about 9/11.even if you accept the governments version of 9/11 there was a conspiracy the fact there were two or more people involved.the comedy you guys come up with.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

If you stop to think about the level of propaganda getting dished out to us, this really gets scary! There is that NOVA PBS program that was hijacked by the forces within NIST. And no credible responses by experts who know better - besides the signers of the A&E petition. Then there are the respected (I should say formerly respected) magazines like Scientific American, Mechanics Illustrated, Skeptical Enquirer, and others who refuse to recognize the impossible physics presented by the government.

The scary thing is that the Imperial Corporate forces have so much power over our media to do this.

Exposing this level of fraud from the powerful is slow, but it will be exposed. The truth can only be denied for so long. Experts on demolition always agree when they are shown the evidence.

exactly.somehow what even demolition experts say along with witnesses that were there "including many firefighters experienced in the sound of explosives." along with many architects and engineers say,NONE of that means anything to the 9/11 apologists here that toot the governments version,only what our corrupt government institutions and media tell them.comedy gold.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

What was the motive for the all powerful conspiracy to secretly sabotage this building?

it's what they do?

none of the conspiracy makes any rational sense

You are correct,this conspiracy THEORY of the governments in this link here DOESNT make any rational sense.
Idaho Observer The looniest of all 9 11 conspiracy theories


Funny how you are actually open minded and objective unlike so many americans when it comes to the real ronald reagan and his corruption being exposed,but when it comes to the facts that the CIA was behind the JFK assassination or 9/11,you bury your head in the sand refusing to look at the evidence or hear the facts of a government conspiracy.

 

[eots]

name one steel framed hi-rise building that has suffered a complete collapse...other than the WTC buildings

that is a concrete building..not a steel framed hi- rise

As one can clearly see from the beams in the wreckage, steel framing was used extensively in the collapsed portion. The portion left standing appears to be reinforced concrete. Bear in mind that all skyscrapers are made of both concrete and steel.

That building was only 5 stories high, and collapsed only because of poor construction. This is illustrative of how little needs to go wrong for a building to collapse.

It takes considerably more structural strength to hold up a 47 story building, and when it has been gashed by debris, and then gutted by a fire, there can be little surprise that it collapsed.

9 11 Conspiracy Theories - Debunking the Myths - World Trade Center

you are contradicting the NIST report again NIST determined damage from falling debris was not a factor in the collapse

From the link:

"FACT: Many conspiracy theorists point to FEMA's preliminary report, which said there was relatively light damage to WTC 7 prior to its collapse. With the benefit of more time and resources, NIST researchers now support the working hypothesis that WTC 7 was far more compromised by falling debris than the FEMA report indicated. "The most important thing we found was that there was, in fact, physical damage to the south face of building 7," NIST's Sunder tells PM. "On about a third of the face to the center and to the bottom—approximately 10 stories—about 25 percent of the depth of the building was scooped out." NIST also discovered previously undocumented damage to WTC 7's upper stories and its southwest corner."

9 11 Conspiracy Theories - Debunking the Myths - World Trade Center

thats not the NIST report nit -wit

"structural damage did not initiate the collapse. The fires initiated by the debris, rather than the structural damage that resulted from the impacts, initiated the building's collapse"


"damage from the falling debris of the nearby WTC 1 tower were not factors. The investigation team concluded that the column’s failure under any circumstance would have initiated the destructive sequence of events."
http://www.nist.gov/customcf/get_pdf.cfm?pub_id=861611

 

[PredFan]

So Eots, please tell us what YOU think happened.

 

[Agit8r]

From the NIST final report:

"Blast events did not play a role in the collapse of WTC 7. NIST concluded that blast events could not have occurred, and found no evidence whose exlanation required invocation of a blast event. Blast from the smallest charge capable of failing a critical column (i.e., Column 79) would have resulted in a sound level of 130 dB to 140 dB at a distance of at least half a mile if unobstructed by surrounding buildings (such as along Greenwich Street and West Broadway). This sound level is comparable to a gunshot blast, standing next to a jet plane engine, and more than 10 times louder than being in front of the speakers at a rock concert. The sound from such a blast in an urban setting would have been reflected and channeled down streets with minimum attenuation. However, the soundtracks from videos being recorded at the time of the collapse did not contain any sound as intense as would have accompanied such a blast"

http://www.nist.gov/customcf/get_pdf.cfm?pub_id=861610