WOW! “SHOW ME STATE” SHOWS OBAMACARE THE DOOR Prop C Passes By Over 70%

[haileydavey]

Our medical care is not perfect by any means. I have yet to see a perfect medical system in any country. I have been to 40 plus counties in my life time. I would rather be here being treated than any other country I have been to. Can it get better? I am sure it can but I do not see a 1000 page law doing that. I feel I am giving up to much for a little gain.

To me this law is like changing a flat tire with a tire with a slow leak. It will still have to be changed later.

 

[saveliberty]

Navy, you seem like a reasonable conservative. But, the amount of disinformation and misinformation about the health care/health insurance issue is sickening.

Please take a little time and listen to this interview with a 20 year insurance company insider...

It will clear up most of the lies that have been perpetrated by politicians and corporate funded propaganda designed to derail heath care reform...

Bill Moyers Journal . Wendell Potter on Profits Before Patients | PBS

Delete profits insert tax dollars, deficit spending or rationed care. Same result.

OK Einstein, explain 'medical loss ratio' and how Wall Street investors have taken over health insurance practices and force insurance corporations to DENY coverage or be severely punished.

I don't have to explain it. Not sure you'd understand anyways. Bottomline is, the goverment will do the same thing because of money pressures. In fact, they will be worse, because a hospital can decide to do charity work now, but under government control, they could lose their permit for using resources denied by the government.

 

[Avorysuds]

I was big time against the redistribution of wealth called the healthcare bill, but having klan meetings is not going to win back congress and the whitehouse.

So why do you keep hosting them?

You are on the level of RW'er and TM from what I have seen with the little time I have been here. Your posts usually have little or nothing to do with the OP, you claim not to be a progressive liberal while advocating that agenda. You awkwardly play the race card in near every post you make, you and TM have a stunning obsession with black people, I wonder if they themselves would not be offended at your outright stupidity.

Do you post on these boards because you know in person, if you were to talk to people like you do here you would get that embarrassed feeling after saying wtf stupid shit? Maybe have become tired of knowing that while you talk someone is thinking… h o l y f u c k i n g s h i t t h i s p e r s o n i s s c a r y d u m b . . . dot dot dot . . .


Maybe while talking to your friends and they disagree you call them a clans member… But hey, you do claim to be a rich guy that just so happens to talk shit, on the internet… You sure told us!

 

[saveliberty]

Topspin, the last line of defense for Dems on the run.

Opening movie shot: Pan in on construction worker...

Shoot 0bama cut me off from unemployment benefits after three years.

Second worker: Who ratted you out?

First worker: That guy in the white hood over there.

Scene shifts to Topspin...

There you have it friends, vote Obama in 2012. Keep the racists away from your entitlements!

 

[Claudette]

Personally, I don't think many would disagree with the notion that healthcare costs are too high and that bringing the high cost of health insurance down so that people can afford it is a a bad thing. However what a vote in MO. at least in my opinion represents is people not willing to trade the choice to do so, for the lower cost. It would seem to me that had our Govt. had the good sense to sit down and craft legisliation that would benefit everyone in a common sense manner then people for example with pre-existing condition would not be caught up in this mess. Frankly, I see this as a rejection of the forced purchase of a good or service on the part of the Federal Govt. and rightly so on the part of the citizens of Mo. Had this healthcare legislation not been used as a legislative win for the President and more of a win for the American people we would not be at the point where 70% of the citizens of one state and a whole host of other states are now calling it into question.

There was NOTHING common sense about Obamacare.

It had nothing to do with healthcare and EVERYTHING to do with rationing and wealth distribution.

That is what the AMERICAN PEOPLE are rejecting, and rightly so.

While I agree with you on the notion that the bill had little to do with a common sense approach to healthcare, I'm of the opinion the bill had a lot to do with getting a legislative win at any cost and offered another opportunity for those seeking to spend money to do so. It had little if anything to do with health insurance reform as they will be the ones who will benefit most from this the bill. I'm sure many companies would love to have a law that mandated people purchase from them. I also believe that most Americans like to make the choice of what they purcahse and from whom be their own and reject the notion they should be forced to do so regardless of how noble. One other thing though, I don't think you would find many who would disagree that regulating the denial of anyone based on a pre-existing condition is a bad thing, however that could have been done IMO with a single bill with wide support from both parties and from the American people.

Ditto Navy.

 

[haileydavey]

While that is a big number, Missouri is conservative state. It is not sending a message to Obama other than they are still against the health care bill. I am sure that Obama as well as the other Democrats are not going to look at this as anything other than the right protesting. They will not look at the presidential election results where Obama lost the state by only .1 % of the vote. If a liberal state votes a majority against it then maybe it will be looked at as America opposing the law.

Missouri is the most accurate bell-weather state in the US. This last election was one of the few times Missouri did not pick the winner but Obama only lost the state by less than 0.1 % of the vote.

Just another democrat lie BUSTED!

Wow, I am not a democrat. At least those who know me would never consider me one. I stated he lost by only .1% in my post. I do not take one state as a measuring stick of the whole US no mater how many times the pick the president. I stated an opinion. Maybe I should have rephrased it. I believe the Obama and the rest of the left or not going to revoke their health care bill and say sorry that was a bad idea. I do not think they will get the point.

 

[007]

I believe the Obama and the rest of the left or not going to revoke their health care bill and say sorry that was a bad idea. I do not think they will get the point.

The point is, they may not have a choice. Whether they get the point or not is irrelevant. The Supreme Court will deem it unconstitutional, and the dems won't be able to do a damn thing about it except say good bye to their crowning, socialist achievement.

 

[haileydavey]

I beg to differ. Yes it is, and when this hits the Supreme Court and the must buy health insurance mandate is struck down as unconstitutional, it won't only be a message, it will be a huge defeat for the junior hitlers that crafted the disastrous bill, but a huge victory for conservatives and America.


I'm not sure of that at all. Democrats know what they've done, and now they know they're paying the price. They pushed their agenda down the throats of Americans, now Americans are pushing back, and the dems know damn well what it is, and it isn't just "protesting." It's a political battle. A battle that will be won by one side or the other.


So if a state isn't a liberal state, it's not America? What kind of bull shit is that?

You picked apart my thread and did not get one piece of the meaning. If Texas, Oklahoma or any other conservative state had a vote and it had a similar result the left and Obama would just blow it off as the right does not know what they are talking about. They do not take the Tea Partiers serious in much the same way.

This is going to have to go to the Supreme Court to be settled. I really do not know what will happen. They way I interpret the Constitution this bill will fail but I do not have a vote. I find it hard to believe you can force everyone to pay for something such as health care insurance. Where will it end if this gets through?

Why shouldn't I pick apart your post? It said a lot of different things I wanted to comment on.

So it appears what we disagree on most is your opinion that the dems aren't taking conservatives or the Tea Party seriously. I think they are. I think they're scrambling around in a full panic about them, because by all indications, the liberals are going to get kicked to the curb in record numbers in November, and yes, the kenyan and his merry band of liberal socialists are worried shitless about it. They eat, breath and sleep power, and since they've gotten their hands on it, they've been able to ram their filthy, radical, socialist agenda down throats of Americans, against the will of the majority. They've simply been able to say "fuck you" to America. They LOVE that power, and the thought of LOSING that power scares the ever lovin' HELL otta them. Yes, they're concerned, they're damned concerned.

You are most likely right. I just do not think they will respond correctly and fix it.

 

[007]

You picked apart my thread and did not get one piece of the meaning. If Texas, Oklahoma or any other conservative state had a vote and it had a similar result the left and Obama would just blow it off as the right does not know what they are talking about. They do not take the Tea Partiers serious in much the same way.

This is going to have to go to the Supreme Court to be settled. I really do not know what will happen. They way I interpret the Constitution this bill will fail but I do not have a vote. I find it hard to believe you can force everyone to pay for something such as health care insurance. Where will it end if this gets through?

Why shouldn't I pick apart your post? It said a lot of different things I wanted to comment on.

So it appears what we disagree on most is your opinion that the dems aren't taking conservatives or the Tea Party seriously. I think they are. I think they're scrambling around in a full panic about them, because by all indications, the liberals are going to get kicked to the curb in record numbers in November, and yes, the kenyan and his merry band of liberal socialists are worried shitless about it. They eat, breath and sleep power, and since they've gotten their hands on it, they've been able to ram their filthy, radical, socialist agenda down throats of Americans, against the will of the majority. They've simply been able to say "fuck you" to America. They LOVE that power, and the thought of LOSING that power scares the ever lovin' HELL otta them. Yes, they're concerned, they're damned concerned.

You are most likely right. I just do not think they will respond correctly and fix it.

As far as obamacare is concerned, it's not up to them at this point. It's up to the Supreme Court.

 

[haileydavey]

I believe the Obama and the rest of the left or not going to revoke their health care bill and say sorry that was a bad idea. I do not think they will get the point.

The point is, they may not have a choice. Whether they get the point or not is irrelevant. The Supreme Court will deem it unconstitutional, and the dems won't be able to do a damn thing about it except say good bye to their crowning, socialist achievement.

I really hope you are right and have even stated as much. If the Supreme Court does not shoot it down then what?

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

Doesn't really make much difference, except as a way of sending a message.

Seems to me the federal health care bill is either a valid exercise of federal power, or it is not. If it is, it will trump this state law in Missouri. If it is not, then it can't be implemented and the Missouri law is unnecessary.

I'll take IS NOT for $200 Alex.

Daily double!

Wonder how the US Supreme Court is feeling about state's rights. Maybe Obama can address that at his next State of the Union address.

I can't wait for the Arizon 1070 and the federal government mandating I purchase health care from a private business both reach the supreme court.

Let me guess arizona is upheld 5 to 4 and Mandated purchasing of health insurance is struck down 5 to 4.

 

[Tech_Esq]

You picked apart my thread and did not get one piece of the meaning. If Texas, Oklahoma or any other conservative state had a vote and it had a similar result the left and Obama would just blow it off as the right does not know what they are talking about. They do not take the Tea Partiers serious in much the same way.

This is going to have to go to the Supreme Court to be settled. I really do not know what will happen. They way I interpret the Constitution this bill will fail but I do not have a vote. I find it hard to believe you can force everyone to pay for something such as health care insurance. Where will it end if this gets through?

Why shouldn't I pick apart your post? It said a lot of different things I wanted to comment on.

So it appears what we disagree on most is your opinion that the dems aren't taking conservatives or the Tea Party seriously. I think they are. I think they're scrambling around in a full panic about them, because by all indications, the liberals are going to get kicked to the curb in record numbers in November, and yes, the kenyan and his merry band of liberal socialists are worried shitless about it. They eat, breath and sleep power, and since they've gotten their hands on it, they've been able to ram their filthy, radical, socialist agenda down throats of Americans, against the will of the majority. They've simply been able to say "fuck you" to America. They LOVE that power, and the thought of LOSING that power scares the ever lovin' HELL otta them. Yes, they're concerned, they're damned concerned.

You are most likely right. I just do not think they will respond correctly and fix it.

If Virginia or Florida succeed on their cases, it will be too late for the Dems to "fix it." They couldn't pass the thing for over a year the first time. Once it gets bounced back, I doubt that will happen much before the election, if not after, they will have no time to pass it. Anything proposed during the lame duck session will be filibustered in the senate.

That means Obama would have to start over with a Republican House, at a minimum. He'll also have either a narrowly divided senate or a Republican Senate too. So, if it gets ruled unconstitutional, the game is over.

 

[007]

I believe the Obama and the rest of the left or not going to revoke their health care bill and say sorry that was a bad idea. I do not think they will get the point.

The point is, they may not have a choice. Whether they get the point or not is irrelevant. The Supreme Court will deem it unconstitutional, and the dems won't be able to do a damn thing about it except say good bye to their crowning, socialist achievement.

I really hope you are right and have even stated as much. If the Supreme Court does not shoot it down then what?

I fully expect the Supreme Court to rule it's mandate to buy health insurance unconstitutional, simply because it is.

But in the unlikely event that they don't, when the conservatives regain control in November, they'll move to repeal the whole damn mess and start over. That's what really needs to be done anyway.

 

[topspin]

I was big time against the redistribution of wealth called the healthcare bill, but having klan meetings is not going to win back congress and the whitehouse.

So why do you keep hosting them?

You are on the level of RW'er and TM from what I have seen with the little time I have been here. Your posts usually have little or nothing to do with the OP, you claim not to be a progressive liberal while advocating that agenda. You awkwardly play the race card in near every post you make, you and TM have a stunning obsession with black people, I wonder if they themselves would not be offended at your outright stupidity.

Do you post on these boards because you know in person, if you were to talk to people like you do here you would get that embarrassed feeling after saying wtf stupid shit? Maybe have become tired of knowing that while you talk someone is thinking… h o l y f u c k i n g s h i t t h i s p e r s o n i s s c a r y d u m b . . . dot dot dot . . .


Maybe while talking to your friends and they disagree you call them a clans member… But hey, you do claim to be a rich guy that just so happens to talk shit, on the internet… You sure told us!

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Ya'll are too used to hacks on either side. I've very right fiscally, and extreemly left socially. I never slam anyone who's not hacktastic on their own. Sorry

 

[haileydavey]

I'll take IS NOT for $200 Alex.

Daily double!

Wonder how the US Supreme Court is feeling about state's rights. Maybe Obama can address that at his next State of the Union address.

I can't wait for the Arizon 1070 and the federal government mandating I purchase health care from a private business both reach the supreme court.

Let me guess arizona is upheld 5 to 4 and Mandated purchasing of health insurance is struck down 5 to 4.

I hope you are right on both.

 

[Yurt]

That was incoherent. Please try again.

Here, I'll translate for you. Every time you see topspin post all you have to do is think of this translation.

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That's about all topspin has to add to any discussion.

Rick

Yep, ol' Topsoil is a freak.

First he told me he was a "financial adviser" who earned his "clients" 45% per year. He wanted to "bet a grand" that he was being truthful.

After I shamed him into admitting he was lying, he then proudly told me that he has "an MBA". Oh really Topsoil? From what College?? Of course he refuses to say... (i think MBA stand for "major bullshit addiction") He then wanted "bet a grand" that he really has the MBA.

Then, like a teenager with ADD, he moved to being a ganja smoking, peace loving, "Rastafarian"!!! He offered to "bet a grand" that the pot smoking bill in California would pass.

This week he's just a humble accountant who doesn't smoke pot everyday, but made "millions" by investing in "index funds and Oil stocks". If you want he'll "bet you a grand" that he's rich.

Oh, and of course anyone who disagrees with Obama on anything is a racist Klansmen....

topspin to a tee!

 

[topspin]

I'm leaning more Palin right now, I dislike nearly every fiscal move Obama's made and he sold out the anti-war pro pot people.

I don't know enough about the tea party to say I'd join but I'm hard right fiscally and hard left socially. And I'm in the oil business so you know where Sarah is on that one.

 

[topspin]

topspin to a tee![/QUOTE]

yurt you told me you were a lawyer before you backed away from it.

I'll prove any personal fact with a $1,000 bet or a beer

 

[Yurt]

Zander you chickenshit, you backed down from the bet.
Your some old grand Paw buying bonds. cash one in and bet me.

your forget to mention klansmen

 

[Yurt]

topspin to a tee!

yurt you told me you were a lawyer before you backed away from it.

I'll prove any personal fact with a $1,000 bet or a beer [/QUOTE]

liar...i never told you i was a lawyer