Wow, Big Surprise!

Orange_Juice

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Polling in Michigan:

Since the crisis on Wall Street began two weeks ago, Obama has steadily widened his advantage over McCain. In a poll taken Sept. 14-17 by the Michigan firm EPIC-MRA, McCain trailed Obama by just 1 point. In a new poll taken from Sept. 20-22, that gap had widened to 10 points.

And in an even more recent survey conducted by the Iowa firm Selzer & Co., Obama led McCain 51 percent to 38 percent.

“Among whites, I still think he is lagging among older white men without a college education, but everyone else, including independent women, [is] moving toward Obama,” EPIC-MRA President Bernie Porn.

Michigan Republicans oppose McCain pullout - Yahoo! News

ROTF! :badgrin:

Bitter old cranks against Obama
 
I don't understand how Obama came out of this crisis looking more favorable than John McCain. They both supported the bailouts, and both voted for them. Neither one had any reasonable idea of what should be done. They both should have lost support.
 
I don't understand how Obama came out of this crisis looking more favorable than John McCain. They both supported the bailouts, and both voted for them. Neither one had any reasonable idea of what should be done. They both should have lost support.


Plus we got a glimpse of the Obama Doctrine...."Call me if you need me".


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I don't understand how Obama came out of this crisis looking more favorable than John McCain. They both supported the bailouts, and both voted for them. Neither one had any reasonable idea of what should be done. They both should have lost support.

I think it's because McCain forced himself front and center thinking he would score political points. Making a huge production out of suspending his campaign and promising to not go back to campaigning UNTIL a deal was done...even going so far as to try to cancel the debate.

McCain slapped his face on the front of this bailout while Obama laid back and worked behind the scenes. Obama didn't turn it into a political issue.

McCain also in just a 12 hour period took credit for the bailout passing and then placed blame on Obama when it didn't.

McCain is seen as erractic and ill-equiped to deal with the economic crisis, mainly because he swung from both sides at any given moment....For it/Against it.... voted for it/but thinks President should veto it....against earmarks/but voted for bill with 150 bill dollars in earmarks.

That is how Obama came out on top during the bailout.
 
I think it's because McCain forced himself front and center thinking he would score political points. Making a huge production out of suspending his campaign and promising to not go back to campaigning UNTIL a deal was done...even going so far as to try to cancel the debate.

McCain slapped his face on the front of this bailout while Obama laid back and worked behind the scenes. Obama didn't turn it into a political issue.

McCain also in just a 12 hour period took credit for the bailout passing and then placed blame on Obama when it didn't.

McCain is seen as erractic and ill-equiped to deal with the economic crisis, mainly because he swung from both sides at any given moment....For it/Against it.... voted for it/but thinks President should veto it....against earmarks/but voted for bill with 150 bill dollars in earmarks.

That is how Obama came out on top during the bailout.

I'll agree with you on him looking like a fool when he suspended his campaign.
 
I'll agree with you on him looking like a fool when he suspended his campaign.

... particularly when he didn't suspend anything.

his website was accepting donations.
his ads were running on tv
palin was making her campaign stops
his surrogates were all over the tv

so yes... he looked like a fool for SAYING he was suspending his campaign.

and for saying he wasn't going to show up at the debate unless the financial bill was passed

and for showing up anyway

and for saying the fundamentals of the economy were sound

and a few hours later saying we were in crisis...

i could probably go on...

so stoner should really go back to his bong hits if all he has is obama's APPROPRIATE comment that he didn't have the wisdom to decide when life begins (not that it's relevant to the constitutional question anyway).
 
so stoner should really go back to his bong hits if all he has is obama's APPROPRIATE comment that he didn't have the wisdom to decide when life begins (not that it's relevant to the constitutional question anyway).


Obama and 'Infanticide'

August 25, 2008

The facts about Obama's votes against 'Born Alive' bills in Illinois.

Summary

Anti-abortion activists accuse Obama of "supporting infanticide," and the National Right to Life Committee says he's conducted a "four-year effort to cover up his full role in killing legislation to protect born-alive survivors of abortions." Obama says they're "lying."

At issue is Obama's opposition to Illinois legislation in 2001, 2002 and 2003 that would have defined any aborted fetus that showed signs of life as a "born alive infant" entitled to legal protection, even if doctors believe it could not survive.

Obama opposed the 2001 and 2002 "born alive" bills as backdoor attacks on a woman's legal right to abortion, but he says he would have been "fully in support" of a similar federal bill that President Bush had signed in 2002, because it contained protections for Roe v. Wade.

We find that, as the NRLC said in a recent statement, Obama voted in committee against the 2003 state bill that was nearly identical to the federal act he says he would have supported. Both contained identical clauses saying that nothing in the bills could be construed to affect legal rights of an unborn fetus, according to an undisputed summary written immediately after the committee's 2003 mark-up session....

...Obama campaign statement, June 30: Illinois And Federal Born Alive Infant Protection Acts Did Not Include Exactly The Same Language. The Illinois legislation read, "A live child born as a result of an abortion shall be fully recognized as a human person and accorded immediate protection under the law." The Born Alive Infant Protections Act read, "Nothing in this section shall be construed to affirm, deny, expand, or contract any legal status or legal right applicable to any member of the species homo sapiens at any point prior to being 'born alive' as defined in this section." [SB 1082, Held in Health and Human Services, 3/13/03; Session Sine Die, 1/11/05; BAIPA, Public Law 107-207]

The statement was still on Obama's Web site as of this writing, Aug. 25, long after Obama had accused his detractors of "lying." But Obama's claim is wrong. In fact, by the time the HHS Committee voted on the bill, it did contain language identical to the federal act.





There is more to this article at factcheck.org.




It would seem nothing is above Senator Obama's pay-grade.​
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... particularly when he didn't suspend anything.

his website was accepting donations.
his ads were running on tv
palin was making her campaign stops
his surrogates were all over the tv

so yes... he looked like a fool for SAYING he was suspending his campaign.

and for saying he wasn't going to show up at the debate unless the financial bill was passed

and for showing up anyway

and for saying the fundamentals of the economy were sound

and a few hours later saying we were in crisis...

i could probably go on...

so stoner should really go back to his bong hits if all he has is obama's APPROPRIATE comment that he didn't have the wisdom to decide when life begins (not that it's relevant to the constitutional question anyway).

Thumbs up.
 

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