Wouldn't Opening Off Shore Drilling and Drilling in ANWR Create Jobs?

[rdean]

If Obama was really serious about creating jobs why doesn't he just open some of these places for drilling? Not only would it create jobs, it would lower gas prices, which would also help the unemployed.... hell it would help everyone.

And for you libs who say providing another option for oil won't lower prices... be careful... Isn't Obama saying Government run health care plan will increase competition and lower prices???

I really do hate calling dumb people dumb because it's counter-productive. But that statement seemed, well, "dumb".

Let me explain.

The US leases land to Oil companies. Any oil they find, they get to sell. That means the oil found on US land doesn't come to the US, it goes on the open market where we have to compete for it. If the price starts to fall, the oil companies will hold it back until the price goes back up.

That's just reality. It's the way things work.

 

[Kex]

ANWR becomes financially viable when the price is in the $120 range. Below that, not so much.

I don't see how it would be viable even then. I mean there is infrastructure in place between US and Canada that is in much more closer in geographical proximity than Alaska. It is not like we have a pipeline from there to mainland America. So besides nice sounding talking points like "Drill Here Drill Now" what is there to it?

They would try and tie into TAPS, that is if TAPS can remain structurally viable.

"Drill here drill now" is nothing but pap. The masses love it because it makes "common sense". The problem is that it is not factually supported.

Absolutely. Hence the "drill here drill now" crow vaporized during the discussion.

 

[RodISHI]

If Obama was really serious about creating jobs why doesn't he just open some of these places for drilling? Not only would it create jobs, it would lower gas prices, which would also help the unemployed.... hell it would help everyone.

And for you libs who say providing another option for oil won't lower prices... be careful... Isn't Obama saying Government run health care plan will increase competition and lower prices???

Yes, it probably will. But the point is to get away from fossil fuels, not get more addicted to them. I don't know about you, but I don't want the US to be dependent on oil when supplies get to the point that people begin fighting over it.

Alternative fuels won't work until we are about to run out of oil. Until then, we use oil and there isn't any reason to use anything else en masse. When we are running out of oil, someone will make a vehicle that people want that runs on something besides oil.. Until then, everything else is too expensive and people don't want it.

I'm thinking someone needs to lobby for some grants to the people who do not add to the energy burden. All the polluters can pay the bill.

 

[Kex]

If Obama was really serious about creating jobs why doesn't he just open some of these places for drilling? Not only would it create jobs, it would lower gas prices, which would also help the unemployed.... hell it would help everyone.

And for you libs who say providing another option for oil won't lower prices... be careful... Isn't Obama saying Government run health care plan will increase competition and lower prices???

I really do hate calling dumb people dumb because it's counter-productive. But that statement seemed, well, "dumb".

Let me explain.

The US leases land to Oil companies. Any oil they find, they get to sell. That means the oil found on US land doesn't come to the US, it goes on the open market where we have to compete for it. If the price starts to fall, the oil companies will hold it back until the price goes back up.

That's just reality. It's the way things work.

Good point. For all we know it might be more viable to sell it to the far east region of Russian since transportation cost and labor cost on delivery is lower.

 

[ScienceRocks]

If Obama was really serious about creating jobs why doesn't he just open some of these places for drilling? Not only would it create jobs, it would lower gas prices, which would also help the unemployed.... hell it would help everyone.

And for you libs who say providing another option for oil won't lower prices... be careful... Isn't Obama saying Government run health care plan will increase competition and lower prices???

The left is working to destroy this nation as a first world nation, period. The fastist way to that is to cut energy and to kill the health care system of a nation. They don't went to drill or build nuclear because it works. It would go against there plan.

 

[Mr. H.]

Read it and weep, eco-bitches...

RIGZONE - Alaska Files ANWR Exploration Plan

Alaska state officials formally submitted a plan Tuesday to the Department of the Interior (DOI) to move forward oil and gas seismic exploration activity in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge’s (ANWR) Area 1002.

State officials are formally submitting an exploration plan and special use permit application for Area 1002 after U.S. Secretary of the Interior Sally Jewell late last month rejected a detailed 1002 area exploration proposal and offer to fund seismic studies in the area.

 

[JoeBlam]

Probably not enough profit offshore or ANWR to make drilling in those areas attractive to oil companies.

My God....and they let you vote?

 

[JoeBlam]

Probably not enough profit offshore or ANWR to make drilling in those areas attractive to oil companies.

It would be 10 years until any benefit would be seen by drilling ANWR. This was already addressed by the EIA study back when Bush was president. And the benefits would be almost negligible because our dependence on foreign oil wouldn't change except by fractions and only for a finite period of time.

http://www.netl.doe.gov/publications/factsheets/policy/policy006.pdf

Horseshit....considerable amounts of crude could be delivered to Prudoe Bay within 3 years.

 

[Mr. H.]

Probably not enough profit offshore or ANWR to make drilling in those areas attractive to oil companies.

My God....and they let you vote?

Worse yet, he's allowed to breed.

 

[JoeBlam]

Drill offshore FL first. Floridians deserve to have tar balls on their feet on the beach.

unless you spent a lot of money for a house on a clean beach.. in which case one has to look at the impact on the housing market in drilling areas.

The answer is to fund alternative energies and end our dependence on fossil fuels.

The "tar balls" in SoCal are from NATURAL SEEPAGE not wells....Where there are offshore wells, there is no seepage....DUH....and there is no such thing as "fossil fuels"....oil is an abiotic resource that is found far below where any organic substances ever existed.

 

[Mr. H.]

Probably not enough profit offshore or ANWR to make drilling in those areas attractive to oil companies.

It would be 10 years until any benefit would be seen by drilling ANWR. This was already addressed by the EIA study back when Bush was president. And the benefits would be almost negligible because our dependence on foreign oil wouldn't change except by fractions and only for a finite period of time.

http://www.netl.doe.gov/publications/factsheets/policy/policy006.pdf

Ma'am, the debate has been going on for decades. Meaning lots of 10-years.

Do you sleep at the switch much?

 

[JoeBlam]

Probably not enough profit offshore or ANWR to make drilling in those areas attractive to oil companies.

Exactly. The myth is that if we drill here it would be cheaper.
Fact is if you invested YOUR $ in ANWR or anywhere you would ask the highest price for your oil. Already drilled Arab middle eastern fields would charge far less than ANWR oil.
If we drilled now it would take 17-25 years to be able to compete with cheap Arab oil.
Sure, the minor increase in supply would affect the price slightly but not much, if any at the pump. By that time we will not need it.
We ARE a nation addicted to oil.
Alternative fuels other than dam oil need to be addressed FIRST.

Some of the dumbest shit I've ever seen out of idiot progs....this is hilarious!

 

[Mr. H.]

Passing up ANWR is like refuting a prom date with the hottest babe in school.

Not cool.

 

[JoeBlam]

Short term goals are not what we need right now. Healthcare reform will create more long term jobs and bring us into this century. Alternative energy will create long term jobs. We don't want just any jobs, we want the type that move America forward and keep people working.

Big oil isn't interested in job creation anyway, they're interested in the same thing big insurance is, high profit within their own massive and limited ranks for as long as we let them get away with it. It's been far too long already.

There are ZERO jobs in wind and solar...none, zip, nada, nein, unyay...then check out how many Americans are employed by Exxon-Mobile you idiot.

 

[JoeBlam]

Alternative fuels won't work until we are about to run out of oil. Until then, we use oil and there isn't any reason to use anything else en masse. When we are running out of oil, someone will make a vehicle that people want that runs on something besides oil.. Until then, everything else is too expensive and people don't want it.

We will never "run out of" oil...it's an abiotic resource constantly being produced in the Earth's core. Evidence of this is old wells thought depleted begin producing again. "Finite resource" is a concept the oil giants are only too happy to agree with the prog morons about....it gives them the ability to price on future scarcity which they know is not real. You freaks are driving up your own transportation costs with this crap.

 

[JoeBlam]

Probably not enough profit offshore or ANWR to make drilling in those areas attractive to oil companies.

My God....and they let you vote?

Worse yet, he's allowed to breed.

Most lib children came from the UPS driver, not the "male" in the house.

 

[Mr. H.]

There's a saying in this industry- "oil is where you find it".

And we've been "finding it" worldwide since the 1900's.

God bless the hydrocarbon finders... saving your asses since 1917.

 

[JoeBlam]

everyone knows drilling would solve a lot of our problems, unfortunetly the 'green' special interests own the dnc and large parts of teh gop as well.

even in alaska there are large swaths of leased land by the oil compnaies that they have not developed. This idea that they are being hindered from drilling is complete fable. The oil companies are spending their dollars extracting oil from places around the world where it is easy to get out of ground. Alaskan and off shore drilling is very expensive. Why would a company spend $40 a barrel to get oil out of alaska when they get extract it in indonesia for $16?

total garbage....

 

[JoeBlam]

Did anyone mention that drilling off shores and ANWR will supply like 3% of our energy dependecy. Even if we ignore factors like competition, transportation and accessibility? I mean ANWR pipe line would have to go through Canada, but Canada is loaded with oil. Thus we have to sell our oil from Alaska to Canada and beg for credit once they transport it to US.

Edit: Or we can ask them for their infrastructure to get our Alaskan oil back to US. But it ain't going to be cheap.

Buy a MAP you fucking moron....ANWR oil would go WEST to Prudoe Bay and south through the existing trans-alaska pipeline...I swear, the progs on this site combined could barely hit a room-temperature IQ.

 

[JoeBlam]

Did anyone mention that drilling off shores and ANWR will supply like 3% of our energy dependecy. Even if we ignore factors like competition, transportation and accessibility? I mean ANWR pipe line would have to go through Canada, but Canada is loaded with oil. Thus we have to sell our oil from Alaska to Canada and beg for credit once they transport it to US.

Edit: Or we can ask them for their infrastructure to get our Alaskan oil back to US. But it ain't going to be cheap.

ANWR becomes financially viable when the price is in the $120 range. Below that, not so much.

You should be jailed for lies like this....seriously. Lift-cost for ANWR can't be determined by the best geologists in the world until we start drilling it....STFU.