Wouldn't Opening Off Shore Drilling and Drilling in ANWR Create Jobs?

[Claudette]

Does FL even have any refineries?
Up around Jacksonville perhaps?

According to this link we do. I tried to get into it but my computer took a trip LOL

Oil Refineries in Yellow Pages by SuperPages

Umm that listing lists gas stations, oil retailers, and everything.

I think there mya be a refinery or two up around Jacksonville. I never saw one in FL and I lived there for 7 years.

YOu may be right US. I've lived in florida off and on for about 19 years and I don't think they have a real oil refinery in the State. I believe LA has the closest one to us. I could be wrong.

 

[KMAN]

So according to what I hear... More competition does not reduce cost... So how is adding a Government health insurance option going to lower insurance costs???? I guess, according to the replies here, the answer is... it won't.

 

[KMAN]

If Obama was really serious about creating jobs why doesn't he just open some of these places for drilling? Not only would it create jobs, it would lower gas prices, which would also help the unemployed.... hell it would help everyone.

And for you libs who say providing another option for oil won't lower prices... be careful... Isn't Obama saying Government run health care plan will increase competition and lower prices???

Short term goals are not what we need right now. Healthcare reform will create more long term jobs and bring us into this century. Alternative energy will create long term jobs. We don't want just any jobs, we want the type that move America forward and keep people working.

Big oil isn't interested in job creation anyway, they're interested in the same thing big insurance is, high profit within their own massive and limited ranks for as long as we let them get away with it. It's been far too long already.

You do understand that the oil companies make like 2% on each gallon of gas don't you.... What am I saying, obviously you do not...

Actually I found the correct stat..

http://newsbusters.org/node/5120

The other stat was how much pilot gas station makes on gas....

Now why don't libs rip on other companies that make more than 9.5 cents on the dollar?????

 

[uscitizen]

If Obama was really serious about creating jobs why doesn't he just open some of these places for drilling? Not only would it create jobs, it would lower gas prices, which would also help the unemployed.... hell it would help everyone.

And for you libs who say providing another option for oil won't lower prices... be careful... Isn't Obama saying Government run health care plan will increase competition and lower prices???

Short term goals are not what we need right now. Healthcare reform will create more long term jobs and bring us into this century. Alternative energy will create long term jobs. We don't want just any jobs, we want the type that move America forward and keep people working.

Big oil isn't interested in job creation anyway, they're interested in the same thing big insurance is, high profit within their own massive and limited ranks for as long as we let them get away with it. It's been far too long already.

You do understand that the oil companies make like 2% on each gallon of gas don't you.... What am I saying, obviously you do not...

that is at the retail level. How about the refineries? The wells? The supertankers?

 

[DE3]

I don't have an issue with drilling in ANWR, but as jillian pointed out the impact would be minimal both in oil production and in jobs created. The bottom line is that ANWR is not some sort of panacea to our energy and employment problems.

 

[KMAN]

Why do libs only attack oil companies and not the Government when it comes to gas prices???

FactCheck.org: Does the government really make more in taxes from the sale of a gallon of gasoline than the oil companies do?

 

[Xenophon]

Everyone knows drilling would solve a lot of our problems, unfortunetly the 'green' special interests own the DNC and large parts of teh GoP as well.

 

[DE3]

Short term goals are not what we need right now. Healthcare reform will create more long term jobs and bring us into this century. Alternative energy will create long term jobs. We don't want just any jobs, we want the type that move America forward and keep people working.

Big oil isn't interested in job creation anyway, they're interested in the same thing big insurance is, high profit within their own massive and limited ranks for as long as we let them get away with it. It's been far too long already.

You do understand that the oil companies make like 2% on each gallon of gas don't you.... What am I saying, obviously you do not...

that is at the retail level. How about the refineries? The wells? The supertankers?

Oil companies make their money by pumping oil out of the ground. All of the rest in the chain, refining, retail, distribution, etc. is a little bettter than break-even, but it is necessary to keep the demand for the product.

The margins on an actual gallon of gas is a moot point.

 

[beowolfe]

If Obama was really serious about creating jobs why doesn't he just open some of these places for drilling? Not only would it create jobs, it would lower gas prices, which would also help the unemployed.... hell it would help everyone.

And for you libs who say providing another option for oil won't lower prices... be careful... Isn't Obama saying Government run health care plan will increase competition and lower prices???

Yes, it probably will. But the point is to get away from fossil fuels, not get more addicted to them. I don't know about you, but I don't want the US to be dependent on oil when supplies get to the point that people begin fighting over it.

Umm we are already there.... Iraq?

I can see a day when it will be painfully more obvious than Iraq. Even today, you have people arguing that Iraq wasn't about oil. I'm talking about a day when there will be no doubt; no arguments against. Heck, we'll probably name them 'Oil Wars'....

 

[beowolfe]

If Obama was really serious about creating jobs why doesn't he just open some of these places for drilling? Not only would it create jobs, it would lower gas prices, which would also help the unemployed.... hell it would help everyone.

And for you libs who say providing another option for oil won't lower prices... be careful... Isn't Obama saying Government run health care plan will increase competition and lower prices???

Yes, it probably will. But the point is to get away from fossil fuels, not get more addicted to them. I don't know about you, but I don't want the US to be dependent on oil when supplies get to the point that people begin fighting over it.

Alternative fuels won't work until we are about to run out of oil. Until then, we use oil and there isn't any reason to use anything else en masse. When we are running out of oil, someone will make a vehicle that people want that runs on something besides oil.. Until then, everything else is too expensive and people don't want it.

You're right, if we don't take our future by the throat and just let market forces dictate where we go. However, but if we are as intelligent as we like to tell ourselves, we won't wait until the oil wars, we'll do something about energy before we get farther into that muck.

 

[DE3]

Everyone knows drilling would solve a lot of our problems, unfortunetly the 'green' special interests own the DNC and large parts of teh GoP as well.

Even in Alaska there are large swaths of leased land by the oil compnaies that they have not developed. This idea that they are being hindered from drilling is complete fable. The oil companies are spending their dollars extracting oil from places around the world where it is easy to get out of ground. Alaskan and off shore drilling is very expensive. Why would a company spend $40 a barrel to get oil out of Alaska when they get extract it in Indonesia for $16?

 

[uscitizen]

Why do libs only attack oil companies and not the Government when it comes to gas prices???

FactCheck.org: Does the government really make more in taxes from the sale of a gallon of gasoline than the oil companies do?

From the link.


"Federal taxes are a flat 18.4 cents per gallon of regular gasoline, no matter the price at the pump. State taxes range anywhere from 7.5 cents to 34 cents per gallon, "

then they start talkiing of income taxes and such....

 

[Kex]

I think his idea of giving a grant to nuclear power plant is way better.

 

[beowolfe]

You do understand that the oil companies make like 2% on each gallon of gas don't you.... What am I saying, obviously you do not...

that is at the retail level. How about the refineries? The wells? The supertankers?

Oil companies make their money by pumping oil out of the ground. All of the rest in the chain, refining, retail, distribution, etc. is a little bettter than break-even, but it is necessary to keep the demand for the product.

The margins on an actual gallon of gas is a moot point.

You're confusing oil companies with the owners of gas stations which are normally two very different groups. The owners of most gas stations are small businessmen and a few corporations (not oil companies). They have franchises with big name oil companies, but most are not owned by oil companies. They are the ones who make very little on a gallon of gasoline.

 

[Kex]

Did anyone mention that drilling off shores and ANWR will supply like 3% of our energy dependecy. Even if we ignore factors like competition, transportation and accessibility? I mean ANWR pipe line would have to go through Canada, but Canada is loaded with oil. Thus we have to sell our oil from Alaska to Canada and beg for credit once they transport it to US.

Edit: Or we can ask them for their infrastructure to get our Alaskan oil back to US. But it ain't going to be cheap.

 

[DE3]

that is at the retail level. How about the refineries? The wells? The supertankers?

Oil companies make their money by pumping oil out of the ground. All of the rest in the chain, refining, retail, distribution, etc. is a little bettter than break-even, but it is necessary to keep the demand for the product.

The margins on an actual gallon of gas is a moot point.

You're confusing oil companies with the owners of gas stations which are normally two very different groups. The owners of most gas stations are small businessmen and a few corporations (not oil companies). They have franchises with big name oil companies, but most are not owned by oil companies. They are the ones who make very little on a gallon of gasoline.

Both are about the same. All of the major oil companies run retail outlets. And yes there is also a large contingent of private owned stations. The margins are the same for both.

As an example. Let's say you have a corporate owned Exxon station and a private mom and pop running under the Shell label. In that given area both the Exxon and mom and pop will buy their gas from the same supplier. Same gas, same cost. All of them make very little on a gallon of gas. The money is made in extracting it from the ground, not selling it retail. There isn't much money in refining either. In fact it is worse than retail.

 

[DE3]

Did anyone mention that drilling off shores and ANWR will supply like 3% of our energy dependecy. Even if we ignore factors like competition, transportation and accessibility? I mean ANWR pipe line would have to go through Canada, but Canada is loaded with oil. Thus we have to sell our oil from Alaska to Canada and beg for credit once they transport it to US.

Edit: Or we can ask them for their infrastructure to get our Alaskan oil back to US. But it ain't going to be cheap.

ANWR becomes financially viable when the price is in the $120 range. Below that, not so much.

 

[beowolfe]

Oil companies make their money by pumping oil out of the ground. All of the rest in the chain, refining, retail, distribution, etc. is a little bettter than break-even, but it is necessary to keep the demand for the product.

The margins on an actual gallon of gas is a moot point.

You're confusing oil companies with the owners of gas stations which are normally two very different groups. The owners of most gas stations are small businessmen and a few corporations (not oil companies). They have franchises with big name oil companies, but most are not owned by oil companies. They are the ones who make very little on a gallon of gasoline.

Both are about the same. All of the major oil companies run retail outlets. And yes there is also a large contingent of private owned stations. The margins are the same for both.

As an example. Let's say you have a corporate owned Exxon station and a private mom and pop running under the Shell label. In that given area both the Exxon and mom and pop will buy their gas from the same supplier. Same gas, same cost. All of them make very little on a gallon of gas. The money is made in extracting it from the ground, not selling it retail. There isn't much money in refining either. In fact it is worse than retail.

Have you ever asked yourself why the margin at all stations is about the same and why the price at all stations is about the same? It's not market forces that are producing these results. The oil companies have been fixing the price of gas for decades.

 

[Kex]

Did anyone mention that drilling off shores and ANWR will supply like 3% of our energy dependecy. Even if we ignore factors like competition, transportation and accessibility? I mean ANWR pipe line would have to go through Canada, but Canada is loaded with oil. Thus we have to sell our oil from Alaska to Canada and beg for credit once they transport it to US.

Edit: Or we can ask them for their infrastructure to get our Alaskan oil back to US. But it ain't going to be cheap.

ANWR becomes financially viable when the price is in the $120 range. Below that, not so much.

I don't see how it would be viable even then. I mean there is infrastructure in place between US and Canada that is in much more closer in geographical proximity than Alaska. It is not like we have a pipeline from there to mainland America. So besides nice sounding talking points like "Drill Here Drill Now" what is there to it?

 

[DE3]

Did anyone mention that drilling off shores and ANWR will supply like 3% of our energy dependecy. Even if we ignore factors like competition, transportation and accessibility? I mean ANWR pipe line would have to go through Canada, but Canada is loaded with oil. Thus we have to sell our oil from Alaska to Canada and beg for credit once they transport it to US.

Edit: Or we can ask them for their infrastructure to get our Alaskan oil back to US. But it ain't going to be cheap.

ANWR becomes financially viable when the price is in the $120 range. Below that, not so much.

I don't see how it would be viable even then. I mean there is infrastructure in place between US and Canada that is in much more closer in geographical proximity than Alaska. It is not like we have a pipeline from there to mainland America. So besides nice sounding talking points like "Drill Here Drill Now" what is there to it?

They would try and tie into TAPS, that is if TAPS can remain structurally viable.

"Drill here drill now" is nothing but pap. The masses love it because it makes "common sense". The problem is that it is not factually supported.