Would you favor Trump dismissing all Dept. of Education Employees, effectively shutting it down?

[Unkotare]

To make it harder for political zealots to control education.

Yeah, like people who think the earth is thousands of years old and we were shimmered into being from dirt.

Let's talk about irrational beliefs. A poll was done regarding what percentage of demographics believe in the "scientific validity" of various absurd ideas. I have highlighted the lines for Democrat and Republican in red.

Reincarnation : 30% Democrats vs. 17% Republicans
Spiritual Energy: 30% Democrats vs. 17% Republicans
Astrology : 31% Democrats vs. 14% Republicans
Evil Eye: 19% Democrats vs. 12% Republicans
In touch with dead: 36% Democrats vs. 21% Republicans
Ghosts: 21% Democrats vs. 11% Republicans
Fortune Tellers: 22% Democrats vs. 9% Republicans

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Of particular concern is the fact College Graduates were more likely to believe in the scientific validity of Fortune Tellers than people who never attended college by a margin of 17% to 13%.

And that’s why some things can’t always be up for a vote.

Typical modern "liberal".

Educators are now hiding science more than ever for their greed money

Modern science screams abortion is murder of a human being

poltical correctness is going
Against prosperity

Educators should be locked up

??????

I think the idea of locking people up gives some of them a hard on.

“Them”?

 

[dblack]

Yeah, like people who think the earth is thousands of years old and we were shimmered into being from dirt.

Let's talk about irrational beliefs. A poll was done regarding what percentage of demographics believe in the "scientific validity" of various absurd ideas. I have highlighted the lines for Democrat and Republican in red.

Reincarnation : 30% Democrats vs. 17% Republicans
Spiritual Energy: 30% Democrats vs. 17% Republicans
Astrology : 31% Democrats vs. 14% Republicans
Evil Eye: 19% Democrats vs. 12% Republicans
In touch with dead: 36% Democrats vs. 21% Republicans
Ghosts: 21% Democrats vs. 11% Republicans
Fortune Tellers: 22% Democrats vs. 9% Republicans

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Of particular concern is the fact College Graduates were more likely to believe in the scientific validity of Fortune Tellers than people who never attended college by a margin of 17% to 13%.

And that’s why some things can’t always be up for a vote.

Typical modern "liberal".

Educators are now hiding science more than ever for their greed money

Modern science screams abortion is murder of a human being

poltical correctness is going
Against prosperity

Educators should be locked up

??????

I think the idea of locking people up gives some of them a hard on.

“Them”?

The nitwits going on and on about locking people up. Mostly Trumpsters, but there are Dems in the same mindset.

 

[GreenAndBlue]

Let's talk about irrational beliefs. A poll was done regarding what percentage of demographics believe in the "scientific validity" of various absurd ideas. I have highlighted the lines for Democrat and Republican in red.

Reincarnation : 30% Democrats vs. 17% Republicans
Spiritual Energy: 30% Democrats vs. 17% Republicans
Astrology : 31% Democrats vs. 14% Republicans
Evil Eye: 19% Democrats vs. 12% Republicans
In touch with dead: 36% Democrats vs. 21% Republicans
Ghosts: 21% Democrats vs. 11% Republicans
Fortune Tellers: 22% Democrats vs. 9% Republicans

View attachment 257371

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Of particular concern is the fact College Graduates were more likely to believe in the scientific validity of Fortune Tellers than people who never attended college by a margin of 17% to 13%.

Typical modern "liberal".

Educators are now hiding science more than ever for their greed money

Modern science screams abortion is murder of a human being

poltical correctness is going
Against prosperity

Educators should be locked up

??????

I think the idea of locking people up gives some of them a hard on.

“Them”?

The nitwits going on and on about locking people up. Mostly Trumpsters, but there are Dems in the same mindset.

A nation must lock up the harmers so that people will learn not to do the harm

 

[80zephyr]

I see it more as the ability for bare minimums to be equivalent between the States, setting a floor as such.

It has to do with commerce between the States, and the ability of people to move freely between the States, so I see this limited scope as part of the federal mandate.

That being said, the current laws on the books for this could probably be reduced by a factor of 100 to meet the requirements I listed above.

Yeah, but once you start loosely applying the commerce clause, ANYTHING can be deemed regulation of interstate commerce, thereby preempting all state authority.

The slippery slope argument can be applied to anything.

If you allow people to attend educational facilities across state lines, there needs to be Standards. Unless congress allows States to enter into agreements between themselves, it's up to the fed to regulate this.

Jimmy Carter created the Dept of Education. Those problems worked themselves out before its creation, they'll work themselves out after it is gone.

Mark

Do you know who performed the functions of the Education Department before it was created?

It was another Cabinet level position called Health, Education, and Welfare.

Then why did Carter create the Dept of Education? Did it have exactly the same power as the old setup, or was it granted new powers? And if it wasn't granted new powers, why make the change?

Mark

 

[Flopper]

I see it more as the ability for bare minimums to be equivalent between the States, setting a floor as such.

It has to do with commerce between the States, and the ability of people to move freely between the States, so I see this limited scope as part of the federal mandate.

That being said, the current laws on the books for this could probably be reduced by a factor of 100 to meet the requirements I listed above.

Yeah, but once you start loosely applying the commerce clause, ANYTHING can be deemed regulation of interstate commerce, thereby preempting all state authority.

The slippery slope argument can be applied to anything.

If you allow people to attend educational facilities across state lines, there needs to be Standards. Unless congress allows States to enter into agreements between themselves, it's up to the fed to regulate this.

Jimmy Carter created the Dept of Education. Those problems worked themselves out before its creation, they'll work themselves out after it is gone.

Mark

Do you know who performed the functions of the Education Department before it was created?

It was another Cabinet level position called Health, Education, and Welfare.

Then why did Carter create the Dept of Education? Did it have exactly the same power as the old setup, or was it granted new powers? And if it wasn't granted new powers, why make the change?

Mark

It combined offices from a number of agencies to reduce cost and improve efficiency while elevating the priority of education.

Beginning in the 1950s, political and social changes resulted in expanded federal funding for education. The successful launch of the Soviet Union's Sputnik in 1957 spurred nationwide concern that led to increased aid for science education programs. The 1960s saw even more expansion of federal education funding: President Lyndon Johnson's "War on Poverty" called for the creation of many programs to improve education for poor students at all levels—early childhood through postsecondary. This expansion continued in the 1970s with national efforts to help racial minorities, women, people with disabilities and non-English speaking students gain equal access to education. In October 1979, Congress passed the Department of Education Organization Act (Public Law 96-88). Created by combining offices from several federal agencies, the Department began operations in May 1980.
An Overview of the U.S. Department of Education-- Pg 1

 

[80zephyr]

Yeah, but once you start loosely applying the commerce clause, ANYTHING can be deemed regulation of interstate commerce, thereby preempting all state authority.

The slippery slope argument can be applied to anything.

If you allow people to attend educational facilities across state lines, there needs to be Standards. Unless congress allows States to enter into agreements between themselves, it's up to the fed to regulate this.

Jimmy Carter created the Dept of Education. Those problems worked themselves out before its creation, they'll work themselves out after it is gone.

Mark

Do you know who performed the functions of the Education Department before it was created?

It was another Cabinet level position called Health, Education, and Welfare.

Then why did Carter create the Dept of Education? Did it have exactly the same power as the old setup, or was it granted new powers? And if it wasn't granted new powers, why make the change?

Mark

It combined offices from a number of agencies to reduce cost and improve efficiency while elevating the priority of education.

Beginning in the 1950s, political and social changes resulted in expanded federal funding for education. The successful launch of the Soviet Union's Sputnik in 1957 spurred nationwide concern that led to increased aid for science education programs. The 1960s saw even more expansion of federal education funding: President Lyndon Johnson's "War on Poverty" called for the creation of many programs to improve education for poor students at all levels—early childhood through postsecondary. This expansion continued in the 1970s with national efforts to help racial minorities, women, people with disabilities and non-English speaking students gain equal access to education. In October 1979, Congress passed the Department of Education Organization Act (Public Law 96-88). Created by combining offices from several federal agencies, the Department began operations in May 1980.
An Overview of the U.S. Department of Education-- Pg 1

Based on our world standing in educating our children, I would say that the feds "elevating the priority of education" has been a failure.

Mark

 

[Flopper]

The slippery slope argument can be applied to anything.

If you allow people to attend educational facilities across state lines, there needs to be Standards. Unless congress allows States to enter into agreements between themselves, it's up to the fed to regulate this.

Jimmy Carter created the Dept of Education. Those problems worked themselves out before its creation, they'll work themselves out after it is gone.

Mark

Do you know who performed the functions of the Education Department before it was created?

It was another Cabinet level position called Health, Education, and Welfare.

Then why did Carter create the Dept of Education? Did it have exactly the same power as the old setup, or was it granted new powers? And if it wasn't granted new powers, why make the change?

Mark

It combined offices from a number of agencies to reduce cost and improve efficiency while elevating the priority of education.

Beginning in the 1950s, political and social changes resulted in expanded federal funding for education. The successful launch of the Soviet Union's Sputnik in 1957 spurred nationwide concern that led to increased aid for science education programs. The 1960s saw even more expansion of federal education funding: President Lyndon Johnson's "War on Poverty" called for the creation of many programs to improve education for poor students at all levels—early childhood through postsecondary. This expansion continued in the 1970s with national efforts to help racial minorities, women, people with disabilities and non-English speaking students gain equal access to education. In October 1979, Congress passed the Department of Education Organization Act (Public Law 96-88). Created by combining offices from several federal agencies, the Department began operations in May 1980.
An Overview of the U.S. Department of Education-- Pg 1

Based on our world standing in educating our children, I would say that the feds "elevating the priority of education" has been a failure.

Mark

We have had a federal department of education for 40 years. For the first 20 years, US education in both high school and college ranked consistently in the top 5. In fact, in 1999, the US was ranked number 1 in both high school and college education in the world and still is ranked number 1 in college education. Rather than mindless blaming the US shortfalls in education on the feds, it would make more sense to look at changes in education and demographics both domestic and abroad over the last 20 years in K-12.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Congress can't create legislation that the constitution does not empower them to create via explicit (enumerated) or implied powers in the constitution.

Uh huh.
Can you provide of an example of legislation, real or hypothetical, that the general welfare clause and / or the common defense clause does not grant the implied power to create?

Legislation passed by congress will carry citations...

Since you avoided the question, I'll ask again:
Can you provide of an example of legislation, real or hypothetical, that the general welfare clause and / or the common defense clause does not grant the implied power to create?

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Jimmy Carter created the Dept of Education. Those problems worked themselves out before its creation, they'll work themselves out after it is gone.

Mark

Do you know who performed the functions of the Education Department before it was created?

It was another Cabinet level position called Health, Education, and Welfare.

Then why did Carter create the Dept of Education? Did it have exactly the same power as the old setup, or was it granted new powers? And if it wasn't granted new powers, why make the change?

Mark

It combined offices from a number of agencies to reduce cost and improve efficiency while elevating the priority of education.

Beginning in the 1950s, political and social changes resulted in expanded federal funding for education. The successful launch of the Soviet Union's Sputnik in 1957 spurred nationwide concern that led to increased aid for science education programs. The 1960s saw even more expansion of federal education funding: President Lyndon Johnson's "War on Poverty" called for the creation of many programs to improve education for poor students at all levels—early childhood through postsecondary. This expansion continued in the 1970s with national efforts to help racial minorities, women, people with disabilities and non-English speaking students gain equal access to education. In October 1979, Congress passed the Department of Education Organization Act (Public Law 96-88). Created by combining offices from several federal agencies, the Department began operations in May 1980.
An Overview of the U.S. Department of Education-- Pg 1

Based on our world standing in educating our children, I would say that the feds "elevating the priority of education" has been a failure.

Mark

We have had a federal department of education for 40 years. For the first 20 years, US education in both high school and college ranked consistently in the top 5. In fact, in 1999, the US was ranked number 1 in both high school and college education in the world. In fact, we still ranked number 1 in college education. Using your line of reasoning it would make more sense to at look at changes in education and demographics both domestic and abroad over the last 20 years in K-12.

Fucking BULLSHIT!!!!!

I have heard CONSTANTLY FOR 40 YEARS that the U.S. ranks REALLY LOW in education.

FUCKING BULLSHIT!!!

.

 

[dblack]

Educators are now hiding science more than ever for their greed money

Modern science screams abortion is murder of a human being

poltical correctness is going
Against prosperity

Educators should be locked up

??????

I think the idea of locking people up gives some of them a hard on.

“Them”?

The nitwits going on and on about locking people up. Mostly Trumpsters, but there are Dems in the same mindset.

A nation must lock up the harmers so that people will learn not to do the harm

I prefer the idea of harming up the lockers.

 

[Unkotare]

Do you know who performed the functions of the Education Department before it was created?

It was another Cabinet level position called Health, Education, and Welfare.

Then why did Carter create the Dept of Education? Did it have exactly the same power as the old setup, or was it granted new powers? And if it wasn't granted new powers, why make the change?

Mark

It combined offices from a number of agencies to reduce cost and improve efficiency while elevating the priority of education.

Beginning in the 1950s, political and social changes resulted in expanded federal funding for education. The successful launch of the Soviet Union's Sputnik in 1957 spurred nationwide concern that led to increased aid for science education programs. The 1960s saw even more expansion of federal education funding: President Lyndon Johnson's "War on Poverty" called for the creation of many programs to improve education for poor students at all levels—early childhood through postsecondary. This expansion continued in the 1970s with national efforts to help racial minorities, women, people with disabilities and non-English speaking students gain equal access to education. In October 1979, Congress passed the Department of Education Organization Act (Public Law 96-88). Created by combining offices from several federal agencies, the Department began operations in May 1980.
An Overview of the U.S. Department of Education-- Pg 1

Based on our world standing in educating our children, I would say that the feds "elevating the priority of education" has been a failure.

Mark

We have had a federal department of education for 40 years. For the first 20 years, US education in both high school and college ranked consistently in the top 5. In fact, in 1999, the US was ranked number 1 in both high school and college education in the world. In fact, we still ranked number 1 in college education. Using your line of reasoning it would make more sense to at look at changes in education and demographics both domestic and abroad over the last 20 years in K-12.

Fucking BULLSHIT!!!!!

I have heard CONSTANTLY FOR 40 YEARS that the U.S. ranks REALLY LOW in education.

FUCKING BULLSHIT!!!

.

American universities are by far the best in the world.

 

[Flopper]

Congress can't create legislation that the constitution does not empower them to create via explicit (enumerated) or implied powers in the constitution.

Uh huh.
Can you provide of an example of legislation, real or hypothetical, that the general welfare clause and / or the common defense clause does not grant the implied power to create?

Legislation passed by congress will carry citations...

Since you avoided the question, I'll ask again:
Can you provide of an example of legislation, real or hypothetical, that the general welfare clause and / or the common defense clause does not grant the implied power to create?

If you understand what powers are granted congress in the constitution then you should be able to bring this to mind without asking. For starters, every year when we the raise the debt ceiling that is done using the explicit power to create debt. Every allocation of funds to the military uses the the explicit power to provide for a the military force. Likewise, allocating money to build roads, promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, and bills that regulate commerce between states, creation of most taxes etc, ect.....

 

[M14 Shooter]

Congress can't create legislation that the constitution does not empower them to create via explicit (enumerated) or implied powers in the constitution.

Uh huh.
Can you provide of an example of legislation, real or hypothetical, that the general welfare clause and / or the common defense clause does not grant the implied power to create?

Legislation passed by congress will carry citations...

Since you avoided the question, I'll ask again:
Can you provide of an example of legislation, real or hypothetical, that the general welfare clause and / or the common defense clause does not grant the implied power to create?

If you understand what powers are granted congress.....

Since you avoided the question AGAIN, I'll ask AGAIN...:
Can you provide of an example of legislation, real or hypothetical, that the general welfare clause and / or the common defense clause does not grant the implied power to create?

 

[Flopper]

Congress can't create legislation that the constitution does not empower them to create via explicit (enumerated) or implied powers in the constitution.

Uh huh.
Can you provide of an example of legislation, real or hypothetical, that the general welfare clause and / or the common defense clause does not grant the implied power to create?

Legislation passed by congress will carry citations...

Since you avoided the question, I'll ask again:
Can you provide of an example of legislation, real or hypothetical, that the general welfare clause and / or the common defense clause does not grant the implied power to create?

If you understand what powers are granted congress.....

Since you avoided the question AGAIN, I'll ask AGAIN...:
Can you provide of an example of legislation, real or hypothetical, that the general welfare clause and / or the common defense clause does not grant the implied power to create?

If you understand what powers are granted congress in the constitution then you should be able to bring this to mind without asking. For starters, every year when we the raise the debt ceiling that is done using the explicit power to create debt. Every allocation of funds to the military uses the the explicit power to provide for a the military force. Likewise, allocating money to build roads, promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, and bills that regulate commerce between states, creation of most taxes etc, ect.....

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The slippery slope argument can be applied to anything.

If you allow people to attend educational facilities across state lines, there needs to be Standards. Unless congress allows States to enter into agreements between themselves, it's up to the fed to regulate this.

Jimmy Carter created the Dept of Education. Those problems worked themselves out before its creation, they'll work themselves out after it is gone.

Mark

Do you know who performed the functions of the Education Department before it was created?

It was another Cabinet level position called Health, Education, and Welfare.

Then why did Carter create the Dept of Education? Did it have exactly the same power as the old setup, or was it granted new powers? And if it wasn't granted new powers, why make the change?

Mark

It combined offices from a number of agencies to reduce cost and improve efficiency while elevating the priority of education.

Beginning in the 1950s, political and social changes resulted in expanded federal funding for education. The successful launch of the Soviet Union's Sputnik in 1957 spurred nationwide concern that led to increased aid for science education programs. The 1960s saw even more expansion of federal education funding: President Lyndon Johnson's "War on Poverty" called for the creation of many programs to improve education for poor students at all levels—early childhood through postsecondary. This expansion continued in the 1970s with national efforts to help racial minorities, women, people with disabilities and non-English speaking students gain equal access to education. In October 1979, Congress passed the Department of Education Organization Act (Public Law 96-88). Created by combining offices from several federal agencies, the Department began operations in May 1980.
An Overview of the U.S. Department of Education-- Pg 1

Based on our world standing in educating our children, I would say that the feds "elevating the priority of education" has been a failure.

Mark

Let me ask you a personal question please! Can read and write in a foreign language as well as you do in English?

If not, how can you honestly compare different languages when it comes to reading?

Different languages have varying difficulties of reading, so comparing the students in Latvia with those in the the US is not really a valid comparison.

Our best students do just as well if not better than students in those countries ranked at the top of the world in education as they call it. The problem comes when you have to average in the scores of Javon from the Southside of Chicago whose primary language is Ebonics, Juan from Las Vegas dragged him across the border a few weeks before testing and he speaks only Spanish, or Clyde who is so poor that he lives so far back in the hills of West Virginia that there is a pipeline along the road so they can pump in sunshine.

 

[80zephyr]

Jimmy Carter created the Dept of Education. Those problems worked themselves out before its creation, they'll work themselves out after it is gone.

Mark

Do you know who performed the functions of the Education Department before it was created?

It was another Cabinet level position called Health, Education, and Welfare.

Then why did Carter create the Dept of Education? Did it have exactly the same power as the old setup, or was it granted new powers? And if it wasn't granted new powers, why make the change?

Mark

It combined offices from a number of agencies to reduce cost and improve efficiency while elevating the priority of education.

Beginning in the 1950s, political and social changes resulted in expanded federal funding for education. The successful launch of the Soviet Union's Sputnik in 1957 spurred nationwide concern that led to increased aid for science education programs. The 1960s saw even more expansion of federal education funding: President Lyndon Johnson's "War on Poverty" called for the creation of many programs to improve education for poor students at all levels—early childhood through postsecondary. This expansion continued in the 1970s with national efforts to help racial minorities, women, people with disabilities and non-English speaking students gain equal access to education. In October 1979, Congress passed the Department of Education Organization Act (Public Law 96-88). Created by combining offices from several federal agencies, the Department began operations in May 1980.
An Overview of the U.S. Department of Education-- Pg 1

Based on our world standing in educating our children, I would say that the feds "elevating the priority of education" has been a failure.

Mark

Let me ask you a personal question please! Can read and write in a foreign language as well as you do in English?

If not, how can you honestly compare different languages when it comes to reading?

Different languages have varying difficulties of reading, so comparing the students in Latvia with those in the the US is not really a valid comparison.

Our best students do just as well if not better than students in those countries ranked at the top of the world in education as they call it. The problem comes when you have to average in the scores of Javon from the Southside of Chicago whose primary language is Ebonics, Juan from Las Vegas dragged him across the border a few weeks before testing and he speaks only Spanish, or Clyde who is so poor that he lives so far back in the hills of West Virginia that there is a pipeline along the road so they can pump in sunshine.

You could be right. I am sure that every other country has "stupid" people, but our country is so big, and so diverse that comparing education is hard to do.

Mark

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

American universities are by far the best in the world.

Not according to all the propagandists trying to drum up even more money to be wasted on "education."

Since the early 80s, all I have heard is how bad Americans do in math and science, and how we're not on par with the rest of the first world.

.

 

[xyz]

He wants more supporters, of course.

 

[Unkotare]

American universities are by far the best in the world.

Not according to all the propagandists trying to drum up even more money to be wasted on "education."

Since the early 80s, all I have heard is how bad Americans do in math and science, and how we're not on par with the rest of the first world.

.

Misleading.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Uh huh.
Can you provide of an example of legislation, real or hypothetical, that the general welfare clause and / or the common defense clause does not grant the implied power to create?

Legislation passed by congress will carry citations...

Since you avoided the question, I'll ask again:
Can you provide of an example of legislation, real or hypothetical, that the general welfare clause and / or the common defense clause does not grant the implied power to create?

If you understand what powers are granted congress.....

Since you avoided the question AGAIN, I'll ask AGAIN...:
Can you provide of an example of legislation, real or hypothetical, that the general welfare clause and / or the common defense clause does not grant the implied power to create?

If you understand what powers are granted congress..

Since you avoided the question AGAIN, I'll ask AGAIN...:
Can you provide of an example of legislation, real or hypothetical, that the general welfare clause and / or the common defense clause does not grant the implied power to create?
Well?