Would no you like to see Ammo manufacturers Banning sales

[zonly1]

To govt who pass city ordinance and above?

Hollow point ammunition is for hunting; one shot one kill.

According to reports, the Department of Homeland Security has stockpiled over 1.6 billion rounds of ammo for its various agencies, and one of the worst side effects of this appears to be a shortage of ammo for private gun owners.

The question is--what if the shortage is intentional?

Bear with me here. I am not a "conspiracy theorist" nor do I believe that DHS is stockpiling bullets in order to wage war on Americans, as some commentators have suggested.

However, I do believe they know these massive ammo purchases are driving supply down and prices up, and that's generally a good thing for an administration that doesn't think people ought to be able to own guns to begin with.

Think about it this way--although reports indicate DHS had 1.6 billion rounds stockpiled as of spring 2012, they recently ordered over 20 million more.

Many of these rounds are in .40 cal and 9mm--two very popular rounds for civilians--and will be manufactured by ATK, which owns Federal. Federal, as you know, produces a lot of the ammunition that civilians used to purchase at Wal-Mart and other stores, when Wal-Mart and other stores could find ammo to put on their shelves.

The bottom line--gun owners are facing a perfect storm. Civilians are buying up every box of ammo they can find in anticipation of a federal gun grab and less ammo is making it to the shelves to replace what is being purchased, largely because so many rounds of ammo are being sent to fill government orders.

Sounds like gun control by another name.
- See more at: DHS Ammo Purchases: Gun Control by Another Name?

That's Hollow point ammunition based on other source media outlets. Hollow point ammunition is design for purposes of hunting, one shot, one kill.

To visualize hollow point attributes, imagine the caliber size entering with exit wound the size of your fist?

Why does DHS, Department of Homeland Securities need such ammunition?

And why the sudden mass shootings as a distraction to further facilitate the disarmament of peaceful law abiding citizen through new draconian laws.


We know our local police force is down due to funding, ie property taxes.

No street present with current police forces from the local..can't possible be success full in attempting to instill law and order.

remember huricane sandy and how society was breaking down. Gov't failed

 

[bigrebnc1775]

To govt who pass city ordinance and above?

Hollow point ammunition is for hunting; one shot one kill.

According to reports, the Department of Homeland Security has stockpiled over 1.6 billion rounds of ammo for its various agencies, and one of the worst side effects of this appears to be a shortage of ammo for private gun owners.

The question is--what if the shortage is intentional?

Bear with me here. I am not a "conspiracy theorist" nor do I believe that DHS is stockpiling bullets in order to wage war on Americans, as some commentators have suggested.

However, I do believe they know these massive ammo purchases are driving supply down and prices up, and that's generally a good thing for an administration that doesn't think people ought to be able to own guns to begin with.

Think about it this way--although reports indicate DHS had 1.6 billion rounds stockpiled as of spring 2012, they recently ordered over 20 million more.

Many of these rounds are in .40 cal and 9mm--two very popular rounds for civilians--and will be manufactured by ATK, which owns Federal. Federal, as you know, produces a lot of the ammunition that civilians used to purchase at Wal-Mart and other stores, when Wal-Mart and other stores could find ammo to put on their shelves.

The bottom line--gun owners are facing a perfect storm. Civilians are buying up every box of ammo they can find in anticipation of a federal gun grab and less ammo is making it to the shelves to replace what is being purchased, largely because so many rounds of ammo are being sent to fill government orders.

Sounds like gun control by another name.
- See more at: DHS Ammo Purchases: Gun Control by Another Name?

That's Hollow point ammunition based on other source media outlets. Hollow point ammunition is design for purposes of hunting, one shot, one kill.

To visualize hollow point attributes, imagine the caliber size entering with exit wound the size of your fist?

Why does DHS, Department of Homeland Securities need such ammunition?

And why the sudden mass shootings as a distraction to further facilitate the disarmament of peaceful law abiding citizen through new draconian laws.


We know our local police force is down due to funding, ie property taxes.

No street present with current police forces from the local..can't possible be success full in attempting to instill law and order.

remember huricane sandy and how society was breaking down. Gov't failed

Yes I would love too see more manufactures in a ban ammo and weapons against the government

 

[editec]

Hollow point for hunting?

Not if meat was the point of the hunt.

 

[Annie]

New York is already feeling the 'do unto others' approach:

The Captain's Journal » Firearms Manufacturers Boycott Anti-Gun States

Firearms Manufacturers Boycott Anti-Gun States
BY Herschel Smith
5 days, 5 hours ago

In Gun Companies Holding The States Accountable we discussed a two pronged approach to addressing the anti-gun legislation that is brewing in certain states, New York, Illinois and Colorado being three key locations. The first of the two prongs involves a refusal to sell to law enforcement when the weapons being sought are prohibited to non-law enforcement. At the time, LaRue Tactical, Olympic Arms, Templar Custom and Extreme Firepower had enacted policies against selling to law enforcement in New York. The second prong involved the courtship of firearms manufacturers to move to more gun friendly states. I have mentioned that Remington Arms, Rock River Arms, Springfield Armory and Kimber were prime candidates for this courtship, and I had made a special plea for Remington to relocate to South Carolina along with other firearms industries to move to the South in general. Since publication of these articles there have been other firearms manufacturers who have joined the boycott of New York law enforcement. Joining the expanding group are the following companies.

* Bullwater Enterprises
* Westfork Armory
* Smith Enterprise
* Alex Arms
* Spike’s Tactical
* Quality Arms
* Liberty Suppressors
* Doublestar Corp
* American Spirit Arms
* Trident Armory
* Head Down Products
* J&G Sales

Barrett Arms has also joined the group, issuing the following statement.

Barrett’s Position Regarding the Assault on Liberty February 20, 2013 Barrett opposes those who are illegally disarming the American public from their efficient arms and creating superior armed elitist government agencies. Elected state officials of New York, having been sworn to protect our Constitution, have instead committed an offense against it and their citizens by stripping inalienable rights duly protected and guaranteed under the Second Amendment. By their deliberate and sinister actions, these officials now cause their state and local policing agencies to enforce these unconstitutional and illegal so called “laws”. By current law, Barrett cannot be an accomplice with any lawbreaker, therefore, cannot and will not service or sell to New York government agencies. Barrett also applies this stance to the individual elected official who, as a matter of public record, has voted for or created regulation that violates the constitutional rights of their citizens. This is an expansion of our 2002 ban against the California government due to their second amendment infringements, and shall apply to any future violators.

Additionally, the states are lining up to court firearms manufacturers. South Carolina wants Remington and is telling them so. Magpul has threatened to leave Colorado if the law is passed prohibiting the very magazines (PMAGs) made in their factories. Alabama is recruiting Magpul, along with Texas, and Oklahoma is in competition with South Carolina in its quest for Remington. New York Governor Cuomo has stated that “There is no shortage of responsible venders who would want to assist New York’s law enforcement agencies keep New Yorkers safe.” Perhaps there are still those who will supply firearms and firearms parts and accessories to New York law enforcement. Colt is still smarting from losing the M4 contract with the Army. But the list of non-participants is dwindling rapidly, and it is best for reputable firearms manufacturers to make their decision sooner rather than later.

I had previously mentioned that I had sent notes to Smith and Wesson, Rock River Arms, Remington, Glock, Sig Sauer, Springfield Armory and Kimber asking for their official position on selling to law enforcement in states that have anti-gun policies. I have received no response from these companies. Making decisions of this kind are major events in the life of a company. Relinquishing revenue is serious stuff, and decisions like that are usually made at the board of directors level. On the other hand, gun companies who lead the pack are also usually rewarded in the American civilian market, and this market is far more valuable than law enforcement or even military. Pressure on these companies is appropriate, and they need to hear from you concerning the totalitarian measures being taken in anti-gun states. Who will be the first really large firearms company to refuse to sell to these states? Once this first domino falls, the rest will follow.

UPDATE #1: Michelle Malkin has an article up focusing mainly on manufacturing aspects of this issue, although also briefly discussing the boycott of anti-gun states. She has good information that complements my own.

UPDATE #2: reddit/guns has the most comprehensive list of companies to date that are participating in the boycott.
LaRue Tactical 2-8-13 Head Down Products 2-20-13
Extreme Firepower Inc, LLC (Per EFI, policy is several years old) Bravo Company USA 2-20-13
Tier One Arms 1-15-13 Exile Machine 2-20-13
Olympic Arms 2-12-13 Barrett 2-20-13
One Source Tactical 2-13-13 Crusader Weaponry 2-21-13
Templar Custom 2-13-13 Top Gun Supply 2-21-13
York Arms 2-13-13 Kiss Tactical 2-21-13
Cheaper Than Dirt 2-15-13 Nemo Arms 2-21-13
Bullwater Enterprises 2-16-13 Clark Fork Tactical 2-22-13
West Fork Armory 2-16-13 Old Grouch’s Military Surplus 1-16-13
OFA Tactical 2-17-13 Big Horn Armory 2-22-13
Smith Enterprise 2-17-13 MidwayUSA 2-22-13
Alex Arms 2-17-13 CMMG 2-22-13
Trident Armory 2-17-13 Rocky Top Tactical 2-22-13
Spike’s Tactical 2-18-13 Ace Ltd. 2-20-13
Quality Arms Idaho 2-19-13 Norton Firearms 2-22-13
Liberty Suppressors 2-19-13
Doublestar Corp 2-19-13
American Spirit Arms 2-19-13
J&G Sales 2-20-13

Courtesy of NC Gun Blog and refusetosell.org. It is still necessary for the large companies to participate. Reddit/guns has a list of e-mail addresses to whom you can write.

 

[zonly1]

Hollow point ammunition is the point in question.

Hollow point ammunition is designed for hunting

Yet the DHS has purchased and consumed this amount and very few care??????

 

[Lakhota]

Well, one reason that law enforcement sources cite for their use of hollow-point bullets is that they tend to stay in their targets, thereby reducing collateral damage from bullets exiting a victim and hitting someone else.

Why do cops use hollow-point bullets?

What are Hollow Point Bullets?

 

[Borillar]

Hollow point ammunition is the point in question.

Hollow point ammunition is designed for hunting

Yet the DHS has purchased and consumed this amount and very few care??????

While hollow point ammunition is banned for military use, it is quite commonly used by police and civilians.

 

[Lakhota]

Hollow points are designed for expansion - not penetration.

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[Jarlaxle]

It is used to prevent OVERpenetration.

 

[Mad Scientist]

The US Gov't and the Banks should just Nationalize all the Weapons and Ammunition Manufacturers, that'll solve all the problems.

 

[J.E.D]

Hollow points designed for hunting?

Right. Just like this water bong was designed for tobacco use

 

[bucs90]

Well, one reason that law enforcement sources cite for their use of hollow-point bullets is that they tend to stay in their targets, thereby reducing collateral damage from bullets exiting a victim and hitting someone else.

Why do cops use hollow-point bullets?

What are Hollow Point Bullets?

Yep. Hollow points dont overpenetrate, thus, limiting the chance to hit someone else behind the target.

Dont know where this guy is getting his weapons info from.

Oh wait.......could be a guy named Alex Jones.

 

[Truthmatters]

misinformation is the rights favorite tool

 

[Jarlaxle]

Yours would be, what...DISinformation?

 

[earlycuyler]

Hollow point for hunting?

Not if meat was the point of the hunt.

Most states require hollow point, frangible, or expanding bullets. FMJ will not cleanly kill game animals that are deer sized or bigger.

 

[zonly1]

Hollow point ammunition is the point in question.

Hollow point ammunition is designed for hunting

Yet the DHS has purchased and consumed this amount and very few care??????

While hollow point ammunition is banned for military use, it is quite commonly used by police and civilians.

NO! hollow point is for killing and it is apparent that you lack the background to even enter an adult discussion.

HOLLOW point is for strictly hunting mid to big game animals.