Ohio GOP proposes tax-free guns, ammo

[ReinyDays]

Here in the BLUEST of the BLUE Oregon ... we've never taxed gun or ammo sales ... yeah, no sales tax of any kind, we defunded our police decades ago ...

 

[Kruska]

Take from the people to give to corporations. Corporate Socialism.

No - actually it runs under the term subsidizing - (via e.g. less cooperate tax or using statefunds to e.g. grant an interest low or interest free loan) Socialism would behold the idea of the workers/employees owning and running a company.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

OK, so who picks the winners and losers as far as corporate welfare goes?

Look at what is going on in SD.....And it's not the dems this time.

IMHO....Anyone who tries to use eminent domain to try and STEAL land from the owners should be shot, arrested, tried, and shot again.

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This proposed CO2 pipeline would run through my county, just a few miles from where I live. Thank you for sharing this, which clarifies a lot for me.

For the first time, I am not proud of Kristi Noem.

I need to find out how to throw my will into this fight.

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[Pete7469]

Here's a suggestion:

Why not stop America from becoming a violent, crime-ridden multiracial cesspool in the first place?

Said no one in 1865 that mattered apparently.

 

[Pete7469]

That's incorrect. Did the "people" earn that money corporations made by producing goods? No they didn't. That money was earned by those corporations. I don't know f anyone's ever explained this to you, but "tax breaks" are just allowing businesses to keep more of their own money, instead of giving it to the government.

Did the government earn that money? Did you have to give those corporations money out of your own income?

No. Obviously you don't really know how tax breaks work, do you?

Bed wetters don't know how photosynthesis works, let alone what it even fuckin is. These are "people" who will repeat "2+2=5" if the TV tells them too, and will vehemently defend the idea that 10x10 should equal 69 because everything should be taxed a minimum of 31% according to their equestrian gender studies professor. They're long ago transcended simple stupidity and have entered a status of white noise that can not be made sense of.

 

[pknopp]

So if you don't believe the government shouldn't be picking winners and losers, you'll agree that they shouldn't be dumping billions of dollars into "green energy", social welfare, abortion, the war in Eastern Europe, and other leftist causes?

Well imagine that! I don't believe it should be either.

No, I believe what is supposed to be the greatest country in the world should be helping its poorest.

A country that claims to have been founded on Christian ideas should be helping its poor.

The rest I mostly agree.

 

[pknopp]

No - actually it runs under the term subsidizing - (via e.g. less cooperate tax or using statefunds to e.g. grant an interest low or interest free loan) Socialism would behold the idea of the workers/employees owning and running a company.

If I'm funding the company why don't I own a share?

 

[1srelluc]

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This proposed CO2 pipeline would run through my county, just a few miles from where I live. Thank you for sharing this, which clarifies a lot for me.

For the first time, I am not proud of Kristi Noem.

I need to find out how to throw my will into this fight.

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From what I can tell it the gop's Solyndra.

Your efforts would be better utilized tamping down SD's shitty eminent domain laws and a lot of that crap will go away.

States like TX (and I guess SD) use it to beat landowners over the head with all the time.

At least Virginia fixed our ED laws when SCOTUS allowed 3rd party ED taking. Virginia is a strong property rights state.

https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title1/chapter2.1/section1-219.1/

Since you are there you should start a thread on it to bring awareness up.....Nobody is covering it.

 

[1srelluc]

Why not? It's not like that tax money is coming directly out of your pocket. It's just more of their own hard-earned money they get to keep.

The hell it isn't, if a state gives a tax break that is that much less money the state has coming into state coffers. You know.....To pay for the services you use.

 

[pknopp]

The hell it isn't, if a state gives a tax break that is that much less money the state has coming into state coffers. You know.....To pay for the services you use.

Business A is looking to move to a state. The state gives them "tax incentives" to move there. Like not having to pay property taxes for 10 years. Those taxes pay for police and fire protection. They pay for the roads and infrastructure. Someone still has to pay those so others are footing their bills.

Then Business B wants to move in across the street and get the same deal and are told to pound sand. The government picking winners and losers.

And people defend this.

 

[1srelluc]

Business A is looking to move to a state. The state gives them "tax incentives" to move there. Like not having to pay property taxes for 10 years. Those taxes pay for police and fire protection. They pay for the roads and infrastructure. Someone still has to pay those so others are footing their bills.

Then Business B wants to move in across the street and get the same deal and are told to pound sand. The government picking winners and losers.

And people defend this.

When I worked for Dupont the town/county gave them free sewer and water for 10 years to build the plant there.

About the time it was to expire the plant manager came up to me one day (I had some pull within the town) asked me if I could help him talk them into extending it......I fuckin' went off on him telling him he should be damn thankful that they got a break for ten fuckin' years and it was time for Dupont to be paying it's way.

No, I was not fired.

 

[pknopp]

When I worked for Dupont the town/county gave them free sewer and water for 10 years to build the plant there.

I worked for them for 25 years.

About the time it was to expire the plant manager came up to me one day (I had some pull within the town) asked me if I could help him talk them into extending it......I fuckin' went off on him telling him he should be damn thankful that they got a break for ten fuckin' years and it was time for Dupont to be paying it's way.

No, I was not fired.

I stated my thoughts on more than one occasion and was never fired also.

 

[AZrailwhale]

That's incorrect. Did the "people" earn that money corporations made by producing goods? No they didn't. That money was earned by those corporations. I don't know f anyone's ever explained this to you, but "tax breaks" are just allowing businesses to keep more of their own money, instead of giving it to the government.

Did the government earn that money? Did you have to give those corporations money out of your own income?

No. Obviously you don't really know how tax breaks work, do you?

Liberals believe that all money belongs to the government, and it should decide what minuscule portion of our earnings the government allows taxpayers and businesses to keep.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Business A is looking to move to a state. The state gives them "tax incentives" to move there. Like not having to pay property taxes for 10 years. Those taxes pay for police and fire protection. They pay for the roads and infrastructure. Someone still has to pay those so others are footing their bills.

Then Business B wants to move in across the street and get the same deal and are told to pound sand. The government picking winners and losers.

And people defend this.

The idea is that after the tax holiday, company A will be providing a much larger tax payment than the tax holiday lost the government. It's called investing in the future. As a matter of reality, it often doesn't work as businesses feel no loyalty to local governments. For examples look at professional sports teams that get cities to fund playing venues, then move as soon as the venue stops being attractive.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

I am 100% against NOT amending the 2nd Amendment - and 100% for justifiable cooperate welfare, otherwise China will economically kick USA's butt.

So, Socialism

 

[Kruska]

If I'm funding the company why don't I own a share?

If e.g. the State of Colorado, offers a reduction in Corporate tax or free land, free utilities, etc. etc. - you or the individual taxpayer are neither funding nor paying for it.
If e.g. a bailout is instituted - then the government can offer to be the guarantor towards a bank for the credit loan or the Fed can loan money directly - this loan (e.g. GM) however needs to be payed back - and this was the case for e.g. GM. In the latter case taxpayer money would be used - but since it is payed back - no taxpayer has a share or loss in it.

If the US government (MoD) spends Billions or Trillions onto e.g. military products from e.g. Boeing - does the taxpayer now have a share in Boeing?
If the US government spends (so far) US$ 60 Billion onto weapons for Ukraine - does the US taxpayer now have a share in Ukraine's GDP? or does the Ukraine own money to the individual taxpayer in the USA?

One could rightfully argue that if e.g. the State of Colorado reduces it's tax collection via forwarding tax cuts to a company - that missing tax income has an effect onto the individual taxpayer. E.g. a county road not being repaired due to not enough money in the tax-coffers of e.g. Colorado. Or a support program for the LGBTq community in Denver can't be paid for.

The logic for subsidizing is however - to strengthen a company (automatically also it's suppliers), so that in future it and the suppliers will contribute far more tax-income towards the State - aka the people. So the issue IMO is not about subsiding as such - but the mechanisms involved in the oversight of subsidies.

 

[Kruska]

So, Socialism

No, not at all - it's actually pure Capitalism - since directly or indirectly - peoples (workers) taxes are used to help/promote an individual (Capitalist) owned private company.

If it would be a State owned company and or the taxpayers gets a share and say in that respective state owned or privately owned company - then that would be Socialism.

 

[Kruska]

No, I believe what is supposed to be the greatest country in the world should be helping its poorest.

A country that claims to have been founded on Christian ideas should be helping its poor.

The rest I mostly agree.

Okay - but then one would need to find out as to why someone is poor - due to a physical/mental handicap? due to being White and Male, and therefore being excluded from Leftie&Lib quota regulations, due to an insufficient education standard? or simply because he was a lazy bugger in school, never helped his Mom to wash-up the dishes, nor helping his father to mow the lawn, and is now a lazy adult fucker that parasites onto society.

 

[LuckyDuck]

Ohio GOP proposes tax-free guns, ammo

COLUMBUS, Ohio (WCMH) — Republican lawmakers in the Ohio House and Senate have introduced a pair of bills to exempt sales tax from “certain firearms and ammunition.”  The bill wou…

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COLUMBUS, Ohio (WCMH) — Republican lawmakers in the Ohio House and Senate have introduced a pair of bills to exempt sales tax from “certain firearms and ammunition.” 

The bill would also provide tax incentives for firearm industry manufacturers in Ohio and provide a tax credit that would offset the federal excise tax.

Rep. Al Cutrona (R-Canfield) is sponsoring House Bill 189; 10 other House Republicans have signed onto that bill.

“We are enforcing the constitutional rights of our citizens with this legislation,” Cutrona said in a statement. “This will not only lower costs for Ohioans, but it will also assist Ohio’s businesses.”

State Sen. Tim Schaffer (R-Lancaster) is sponsoring Senate Bill 134; one other Republican Senator has signed onto the Senate version.

“I am proud to work with Representative Cutrona on removing burdensome taxation on Ohioans exercising their Second Amendment right,” Schaffer said in a statement. “This is the least we can do to make owning a firearm for self-defense, hunting, and sport more affordable for the average Ohioan.

It would be great to buy a gun for $1000 then use the $60 savings on taxes to buy ammo like you can in WV.

I thought about moving to NW OH but there's lots of property crime due to the meth/pillbillys in the small towns.

Sadly, I live in western Commie-land, where they have banned many semi-automatic firearms and large capacity firearms for those wanting to purchase weapons. They've simply thumbed their noses at the Supreme Court, knowing that no matter what the court rules, they have no enforcement capabilities.

 

[Esdraelon]

That right there would be enough to reduce leftists to a puddle of goo.

Oh, it'd be better than that -