Would Another Assault Weapons Ban Be Effective?

[TNHarley]

What Are "Destructive Devices"?​

Under the NFA, the term "destructive device" includes three types of explosives or weapons:

1. Bombs, grenades, rockets, missiles, and mines (and similar devices). Military grenades fit into this category. How a defendant intends to use the device is irrelevant—mere possession is enough for a conviction.
2. Any type of weapon, no matter its name, that will (or may be readily converted to) expel a projectile using an explosive or other propellant (with a barrel bore of more than one-half inch; certain shotguns may be excepted). As in category 1, the intended use is not relevant, because possession alone is all that's required for a conviction.
3. Any combination of parts either designed or intended for use in converting any device into a destructive device as defined in (1) and (2) and from which a destructive device may be readily assembled. The term ‘destructive device' does not include any device that is neither designed nor redesigned for use as a weapon (such as a stick of commercial dynamite); or any device, although originally designed for use as a weapon, that is redesigned for use as a signaling, pyrotechnic, line throwing, safety, or similar device.

The problematic part of the "destructive device" definition is the third definition. While it's clear that a person's state of mind is not relevant when dealing with devices that fall into one of the first two categories, that's not the case with the third. Courts have come to inconsistent conclusions when considering whether the state of mind of the person charged matters, when caught with a combination of components, or an assembled device, that could be used either innocently or for destructive purposes.

How Do Courts Decide What Is a "Destructive Device"?​

Courts have adopted three approaches to deciding whether an item, or collection of items, constitutes a destructive device, which would include a hand grenade. Whether a non-military "grenade" is actually a grenade for purposes of the NFA will depend on the court's choice.

Is it Legal to Own Hand Grenades?

"Hand grenades" include many more devices besides live military weapons. Often, what constitutes a hand grenade will depend on the view of the court making the decis

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Grenades are title II weapons and simply require the proper paperwork and $$.

What is the ATF 5320.4 Application for Tax Paid Transfer and Registrat

What is the ATF 5320.4 Application for Tax Paid Transfer and Registration of Firearm? ATF Form Name: ATF 5320.4 Application for Tax Paid Transfer and Registration of Firearm Commonly Referred to as: ATF Form 4 Purpose of ATF 5320.4: The ATF 5320.4 form is used to apply for a paid tax stamp and...

www.nationalguntrusts.com

 

[BlindBoo]

<sigh>
Grenades are title II weapons and simply require the proper paperwork and $$.

What is the ATF 5320.4 Application for Tax Paid Transfer and Registrat

What is the ATF 5320.4 Application for Tax Paid Transfer and Registration of Firearm? ATF Form Name: ATF 5320.4 Application for Tax Paid Transfer and Registration of Firearm Commonly Referred to as: ATF Form 4 Purpose of ATF 5320.4: The ATF 5320.4 form is used to apply for a paid tax stamp and...

www.nationalguntrusts.com

Yeah simple stuff like:

https://www.atf.gov/explosives/docs/report/publication-federal-explosives-laws-and-regulations-atf-p-54007/download

 

[TNHarley]

Yeah simple stuff like:

https://www.atf.gov/explosives/docs/report/publication-federal-explosives-laws-and-regulations-atf-p-54007/download

What am i supposed to do with that shit?
Any comment on my link directly to the ATF paperwork for civilian ownership of grenades?

 

[BlindBoo]

What am i supposed to do with that shit?
Any comment on my link directly to the ATF paperwork for civilian ownership of grenades?

I don't really care. Ownership, transfers and sales, have to be approved by the AG with all sorts of stipulations and conditions that ordinary civilians normally don't have.

 

[The Original Tree]

Let's not get dragged down into a stupid argument of what an "assault weapon" is. An assault weapon is whatever Congress decides it is, and to argue about how stupid it is they include one kind of gun and not another is a waste of time.

In 1994, Congress passed an AWB: Text of H.R. 4296 (103rd): Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act (Placed on Calendar in the Senate version) - GovTrack.us

The AWB also banned large capacity magazines, though existing large capacity magazines were grandfathered. You could still buy and sell grandfathered magazines.

It is my opinion that the AWB had a negligible impact on the gun homicide rate in America.

The 1994 AWB expired in 2004.

I imagine any future AWB will have a longer list of "assault weapons", and will police large capacity magazines more thoroughly.

Now let's get down to the meat and potatoes of why this is an exercise in futility.

First and foremost, 99 percent of all gun homicides do not involve an assault weapon.

Assault weapon shootings make splashy headlines. Lots of blood and sadness.

The press tries to connect every mass shooting to assault weapons. Every time there is a mass shooting involving an assault weapon, the following days are filled with headlines screaming about how many mass shootings per week we are suffering, with the unspoken but deliberate implication these mass shootings all involve assault weapons.

The fact is, the vast majority of mass shootings do NOT involve an assault weapons ban.

Guns used in mass shootings U.S. 2023 | Statista

Handguns are the most common weapons used in mass shootings in the United States. Other types of guns used in mass shootings include rifles and shotguns.

www.statista.com

Handguns are the most common weapon type used in mass shootings in the United States, with a total of 151 different handguns being used in 103 incidents between 1982 and November 2022. These figures are calculated from a total of 137 reported cases over this period, meaning handguns are involved in about 75 percent of mass shootings.


Here is the definition of a mass shooting: Mass shooting | Definition, Statistics, Weapons, & Locations

mass shooting, also called active shooter incident, as defined by the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), an event in which one or more individuals are “actively engaged in killing or attempting to kill people in a populated area. Implicit in this definition is the shooter’s use of a firearm.” The FBI has not set a minimum number of casualties to qualify an event as a mass shooting, but U.S. statute (the Investigative Assistance for Violent Crimes Act of 2012) defines a “mass killing” as “3 or more killings in a single incident.”


It is my opinion an Assault Weapons Ban is theater for the rubes which has little to no effect on the gun violence problem in the United States.

Fire away!

Assault Weapons are not sold to the general public in The United States so WTF are you talking about?

 

[Lesh]

A ban will only adversely affect law abiding citizens...

How many mass shooters bought their weapons of destruction within a few days of their attacks?

Answer...more than a few

 

[The Original Tree]

How many mass shooters bought their weapons of destruction within a few days of their attacks?

Answer...more than a few

Anthony Fauci, Obama and Biden unleashed a real weapon of Mass Destruction (COVID 19 BIOWEAPON) and you could care less. In fact, you could care less at all about human life, am I right?

 

[TNHarley]

I don't really care. Ownership, transfers and sales, have to be approved by the AG with all sorts of stipulations and conditions that ordinary civilians normally don't have.

You did care when you thought you were right

 

[The Original Tree]

How many mass shooters bought their weapons of destruction within a few days of their attacks?

Answer...more than a few

Biden helped Russia buy Suicide Drones from Iran to kill Ukrainians with and you don't give a shit, do you?

 

[BlindBoo]

You did care when you thought you were right

You think that just filing out some paperwork qualifies you to purchase hand grenade's?

 

[TNHarley]

You think that just filing out some paperwork qualifies you to purchase hand grenade's?

 

[Canon Shooter]

How many mass shooters bought their weapons of destruction within a few days of their attacks?

Answer...more than a few

I can drive into a sketchy neighborhood ten miles from my home and buy an AR-15 out of someone's truck.

You need to stop fooling yourself that a ban will stop shootings. It won't...

 

[Nostra]

Let's not get dragged down into a stupid argument of what an "assault weapon" is. An assault weapon is whatever Congress decides it is, and to argue about how stupid it is they include one kind of gun and not another is a waste of time.

In 1994, Congress passed an AWB: Text of H.R. 4296 (103rd): Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act (Placed on Calendar in the Senate version) - GovTrack.us

The AWB also banned large capacity magazines, though existing large capacity magazines were grandfathered. You could still buy and sell grandfathered magazines.

It is my opinion that the AWB had a negligible impact on the gun homicide rate in America.

The 1994 AWB expired in 2004.

I imagine any future AWB will have a longer list of "assault weapons", and will police large capacity magazines more thoroughly.

Now let's get down to the meat and potatoes of why this is an exercise in futility.

First and foremost, 99 percent of all gun homicides do not involve an assault weapon.

Assault weapon shootings make splashy headlines. Lots of blood and sadness.

The press tries to connect every mass shooting to assault weapons. Every time there is a mass shooting involving an assault weapon, the following days are filled with headlines screaming about how many mass shootings per week we are suffering, with the unspoken but deliberate implication these mass shootings all involve assault weapons.

The fact is, the vast majority of mass shootings do NOT involve an assault weapons ban.

Guns used in mass shootings U.S. 2023 | Statista

Handguns are the most common weapons used in mass shootings in the United States. Other types of guns used in mass shootings include rifles and shotguns.

www.statista.com

Handguns are the most common weapon type used in mass shootings in the United States, with a total of 151 different handguns being used in 103 incidents between 1982 and November 2022. These figures are calculated from a total of 137 reported cases over this period, meaning handguns are involved in about 75 percent of mass shootings.


Here is the definition of a mass shooting: Mass shooting | Definition, Statistics, Weapons, & Locations

mass shooting, also called active shooter incident, as defined by the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), an event in which one or more individuals are “actively engaged in killing or attempting to kill people in a populated area. Implicit in this definition is the shooter’s use of a firearm.” The FBI has not set a minimum number of casualties to qualify an event as a mass shooting, but U.S. statute (the Investigative Assistance for Violent Crimes Act of 2012) defines a “mass killing” as “3 or more killings in a single incident.”


It is my opinion an Assault Weapons Ban is theater for the rubes which has little to no effect on the gun violence problem in the United States.

Fire away!

How are people supposed to respond to the effectiveness of banning something you are too fucking stupid to define?

 

[2aguy]

How many mass shooters bought their weapons of destruction within a few days of their attacks?

Answer...more than a few

So?

How many mass public shooters are there?

In 2021 there were 6.

6 mass public shooters out of a country of over 350 million Americans.

We don't have a gun problem, we don't have a mass public shooter problem. We have a democrat party problem. Their policies attacking the police and freeing criminals are causing the homicide rates....not mass public shooters no matter how you are trying to massage that type of crime.

 

[2aguy]

How many mass shooters bought their weapons of destruction within a few days of their attacks?

Answer...more than a few

Let's look at your statement......how many mass public shooters are there in any given year?

By the numbers.....in a country of over 350 million people.....

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

2021...6
2020....2

2019....10

2018... 12

2017: 11 ( 5 according to the old standard)

2016....6

2015....4 ( obama's new standard....7)

2014....2 (4)

2013....5

2012....7

2011....3

2010....1

2009....4

2008....3

2007....4

2006....3

2005...2

2004....1

2003...1

2002 not listed so more than likely 0

2001....1

2000....1

1999....5

1998...3

1997....2

1996....1

1995...1

1994...1

1993...4

1992...2

1991...3

1990...1

1989...2

1988....1

1987...1

1986...1

1985... not listed so probably 0

1984...2

1983...not listed so probably 0

1982...1
US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation


So no, these guys are not the real problem.....and even if they buy their gun and walk to a mall, they are not something that warrants the gun control fanatics wet dreams....

 

[Flash]

They didn't have 4 real justices on the court, it was a 4-4 split so neither side of the court, the left wing morons, and the rational Justices didn't give 4 votes for cert.......

Now you have Bruen.......and any Assault weapon ban is done.....

Bruen would require that the government prove that semi automatics are so dangerous as to require a curtailment of Constitutional rights. Given the fact that there are tens of millions (if not a hundred million) of semi automatics in the US used for lawful purposes then that would be impossible to prove.

 

[Flash]

How many mass shooters bought their weapons of destruction within a few days of their attacks?

Answer...more than a few

How many thousands more buy their "weapons of mass destruction" every week and use them for lawful purposes? Like almost everybody.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

What the Supremes would have to determine with an AWB is if an AR-15, for example, is a dangerous and unusual weapon.

After Bruen, of course, the Court will likely use the ‘historical tradition’ test to justify striking down state AWBs.

Indeed, the intent of the ‘historical tradition’ test was to establish a rationale for overturning state AWBs. as there was ample other legal precedent available to invalidate may issue provisions of states’ concealed carry laws.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

Let's not get dragged down into a stupid argument of what an "assault weapon" is. An assault weapon is whatever Congress decides it is, and to argue about how stupid it is they include one kind of gun and not another is a waste of time.

In 1994, Congress passed an AWB: Text of H.R. 4296 (103rd): Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act (Placed on Calendar in the Senate version) - GovTrack.us

The AWB also banned large capacity magazines, though existing large capacity magazines were grandfathered. You could still buy and sell grandfathered magazines.

It is my opinion that the AWB had a negligible impact on the gun homicide rate in America.

The 1994 AWB expired in 2004.

I imagine any future AWB will have a longer list of "assault weapons", and will police large capacity magazines more thoroughly.

Now let's get down to the meat and potatoes of why this is an exercise in futility.

First and foremost, 99 percent of all gun homicides do not involve an assault weapon.

Assault weapon shootings make splashy headlines. Lots of blood and sadness.

The press tries to connect every mass shooting to assault weapons. Every time there is a mass shooting involving an assault weapon, the following days are filled with headlines screaming about how many mass shootings per week we are suffering, with the unspoken but deliberate implication these mass shootings all involve assault weapons.

The fact is, the vast majority of mass shootings do NOT involve an assault weapons ban.

Guns used in mass shootings U.S. 2023 | Statista

Handguns are the most common weapons used in mass shootings in the United States. Other types of guns used in mass shootings include rifles and shotguns.

www.statista.com

Handguns are the most common weapon type used in mass shootings in the United States, with a total of 151 different handguns being used in 103 incidents between 1982 and November 2022. These figures are calculated from a total of 137 reported cases over this period, meaning handguns are involved in about 75 percent of mass shootings.


Here is the definition of a mass shooting: Mass shooting | Definition, Statistics, Weapons, & Locations

mass shooting, also called active shooter incident, as defined by the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), an event in which one or more individuals are “actively engaged in killing or attempting to kill people in a populated area. Implicit in this definition is the shooter’s use of a firearm.” The FBI has not set a minimum number of casualties to qualify an event as a mass shooting, but U.S. statute (the Investigative Assistance for Violent Crimes Act of 2012) defines a “mass killing” as “3 or more killings in a single incident.”


It is my opinion an Assault Weapons Ban is theater for the rubes which has little to no effect on the gun violence problem in the United States.

Fire away!

The fact that ignorant politicians want to ban firearms because they look military should end the argument, but people just as stupid as they are eat that shit up and destroy intelligent debate. The majority of mass shootings are done with a handgun and perpetrated by gang members. The politicians and activist who know this fact and still go after semi-automatic rifles under the lie of public safety are a threat to the Republic. It is not about safety, its about disarming law abiding citizens.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

How many mass shooters bought their weapons of destruction within a few days of their attacks?

Answer...more than a few

Gangbangers get their firearms by illegal means.

Lone gunmen outliers in nation’s mass shootings

The country’s eyes are trained on high-profile massacres in Texas and Buffalo, but most mass shootings bear little resemblance to those.

www.washingtontimes.com