Worst case scenerio is the one the reality is tracking

[Old Rocks]

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Why should they pay more? Electricity from wind and solar is cheaper than that from fossil fuels, and far, far cheaper than nuclear. That is why utilities are shutting down coal fired plants that have many years of life left, but it is simply cheaper to build wind and solar than continue to burn coal. And now they are starting to replace gas peaker plants with grid scale storage, batteries and other forms.

costs fall​

. Natural gas and the energy transition

This story is part of a series exploring the natural gas industry's role and prospects in the energy transition — a globe-spanning movement to cut greenhouse gas emissions across the energy industry.
Advancements in battery storage pose a significant risk to natural gas as the rapid growth of renewable power erodes market share for the fossil fuel in the decades ahead.
In independent system operator territories across the U.S., wind power has become the single largest threat to market share for gas as a cleaner power source as coal and nuclear generation retires. At less than $30/MWh, the levelized costs of wind and solar power have fallen dramatically in recent years, with both technologies continuing to undercut even the cheapest gas-fired generation.
Growth in renewable power has created a supporting role for gas as a backup fuel, balancing the intermittency of wind and solar generation. But rapid advances in lithium-ion battery storage technology have dramatically altered the green-energy landscape.
For years, fast-ramping batteries capable of replacing gas as a grid-balancing resource were out of the money. According to a recent analysis of global battery-storage projects by BloombergNEF, however, lithium-ion batteries are now cheaper than gas peaking plants in much of the world.

At an all-in cost of $132/MWh, a four-hour utility-scale battery is now priced below the global gas-peaker plant average at $173/MWh. Even within the U.S., where gas prices are significantly lower than elsewhere, batteries are now cost-competitive with gas-fired power due in part to state-level clean energy goals and federal tax credits.
Such policies have boosted the competitiveness of renewables in recent years and threaten to undermine the economic viability of new gas-fired power investments, according to Morris Greenberg, S&P Global Platts Analytics senior manager for North American power.

Natural gas in transition: Grid-balancing tactics in flux as battery costs fall

Even in the U.S., where natural gas prices are low, batteries are now cost-competitive with gas-fired power due in part to state-level clean energy goals and federal tax credits.

www.spglobal.com

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Does not look like there is much to be optimistic about concerning global warming and a changing climate.

Oh shit, here we go again.....How much money would it take to save this fucking planet if it could be saved by Progressives? 5 trillion, 10 trillion?

Pelosi’s Husband Invested in Solar Firm Weeks Before Expansion

Nancy Pelosi’s husband bought stock in a now financially troubled green energy company just weeks before it announced a major 2014 acquisition.

freebeacon.com

Nancy Pelosi's husband just invested millions in 4 mega-cap tech stocks, including Apple and Amazon

The stock purchases come as Pelosi's wife and the House of Representatives work on anti-trust legislation designed to regulate tech monopolies.

markets.businessinsider.com

 

[Old Rocks]

Not from what I've been reading.
Be honest,the jab doesnt work,in fact it makes people more susceptible to the 2nd variant.
How about you do some research without using Google.

You mean listen to shit heads like Carlson and Hannity? How about you actually listening to scientists rather than dope heads and conspiracy nuts.

 

[Oddball]

Of course, scientists with decades of research under their belt cannot be trusted. So, if you need cancer surgery, get a ditch digger to do it. LOL You know nothing 'Conservatives' are a hoot.

"Scientists" whose "decades of research" create predictions that have never come to pass....Yeah, fuck off.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Of course an asshole like you believes what is happening to the victims of the fires, droughts, and floods to be humorous. And more people dead from the Covid than we lost in the Civil due to the lies of Trump is just an absolute scream. The humor of "Conservatives".

Down here in God's country of Florida, we have plenty of rain, great weather and beautiful girls.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

You mean listen to shit heads like Carlson and Hannity? How about you actually listening to scientists rather than dope heads and conspiracy nuts.

Try DuckDuck...

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Down here in God's country of Florida, we have plenty of rain, great weather and beautiful girls.

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Y'all need to put something in the water that grows tits.
Or at least offer interest free loans for tit jobs.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Y'all need to put something in the water that grows tits.
Or at least offer interest free loans for tit jobs.

 

[Old Rocks]

Oh shit, here we go again.....How much money would it take to save this fucking planet if it could be saved by Progressives? 5 trillion, 10 trillion?

Pelosi’s Husband Invested in Solar Firm Weeks Before Expansion

Nancy Pelosi’s husband bought stock in a now financially troubled green energy company just weeks before it announced a major 2014 acquisition.

freebeacon.com

Nancy Pelosi's husband just invested millions in 4 mega-cap tech stocks, including Apple and Amazon

The stock purchases come as Pelosi's wife and the House of Representatives work on anti-trust legislation designed to regulate tech monopolies.

markets.businessinsider.com

First of all, no Senator or Representative nor their spouses should be allowed to invest in businesses while serving. However, solar and much of the new tech is an excellent investment.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

First of all, no Senator or Representative nor their spouses should be allowed to invest in businesses while serving. However, solar and much of the new tech is an excellent investment.

Yeah, especially when you have Senators and Congressrats trying to push 5 trillion dollars into a fucked up industry like solar....But i guess you dont see anything wrong with that do you?

 

[Old Rocks]

"Scientists" whose "decades of research" create predictions that have never come to pass....Yeah, fuck off.

Such a liar and ignoramus you remain.

A 50-Year-Old Global Warming Forecast That Still Holds Up - Eos

In 1972, Mikhail Ivanovich Budyko used a simple methodology to make climate predictions that remain surprisingly accurate today and that could serve as a new “business-as-usual” scenario.

eos.org

 

[Hossfly]

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What? No camel toes?

 

[Old Rocks]

Yeah, especially when you have Senators and Congressrats trying to push 5 trillion dollars into a fucked up industry like solar....But i guess you dont see anything wrong with that do you?

LOL Really frosts your agates as to how well solar is doing, doesn't it.

• 
  The U.S. solar industry had a record year in 2020 despite the coronavirus pandemic, according to a report from the Solar Energy Industries Association and Wood Mackenzie.
• The report found the industry added a record 19.2 gigawatts of new capacity during 2020, a 43% jump from 2019.
• By 2030, solar installations are expected to quadruple from current levels.

The U.S. solar industry posted record growth in 2020 despite Covid, report finds

New solar installations jumped 43% year over year to a record high during 2020, even as the pandemic weighed on operations.

www.cnbc.com

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Why should they pay more?

Removing cheaper, reliable energy and replacing it with more expensive, less reliable energy.......of course they'll pay more. DURR.

Electricity from wind and solar is cheaper than that from fossil fuels, and far, far cheaper than nuclear.

Is that why power in California is so cheap? Lots of renewables, little nuclear and fossil fuel?

Is that why power in Illinois is so expensive? No renewables, lots of nuclear and coal?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Why should they pay more? Electricity from wind and solar is cheaper than that from fossil fuels, and far, far cheaper than nuclear. That is why utilities are shutting down coal fired plants that have many years of life left, but it is simply cheaper to build wind and solar than continue to burn coal. And now they are starting to replace gas peaker plants with grid scale storage, batteries and other forms.

costs fall​

. Natural gas and the energy transition

This story is part of a series exploring the natural gas industry's role and prospects in the energy transition — a globe-spanning movement to cut greenhouse gas emissions across the energy industry.
Advancements in battery storage pose a significant risk to natural gas as the rapid growth of renewable power erodes market share for the fossil fuel in the decades ahead.
In independent system operator territories across the U.S., wind power has become the single largest threat to market share for gas as a cleaner power source as coal and nuclear generation retires. At less than $30/MWh, the levelized costs of wind and solar power have fallen dramatically in recent years, with both technologies continuing to undercut even the cheapest gas-fired generation.
Growth in renewable power has created a supporting role for gas as a backup fuel, balancing the intermittency of wind and solar generation. But rapid advances in lithium-ion battery storage technology have dramatically altered the green-energy landscape.
For years, fast-ramping batteries capable of replacing gas as a grid-balancing resource were out of the money. According to a recent analysis of global battery-storage projects by BloombergNEF, however, lithium-ion batteries are now cheaper than gas peaking plants in much of the world.

At an all-in cost of $132/MWh, a four-hour utility-scale battery is now priced below the global gas-peaker plant average at $173/MWh. Even within the U.S., where gas prices are significantly lower than elsewhere, batteries are now cost-competitive with gas-fired power due in part to state-level clean energy goals and federal tax credits.
Such policies have boosted the competitiveness of renewables in recent years and threaten to undermine the economic viability of new gas-fired power investments, according to Morris Greenberg, S&P Global Platts Analytics senior manager for North American power.

Natural gas in transition: Grid-balancing tactics in flux as battery costs fall

Even in the U.S., where natural gas prices are low, batteries are now cost-competitive with gas-fired power due in part to state-level clean energy goals and federal tax credits.

www.spglobal.com

Thanks for the link......

Even within the U.S., where gas prices are significantly lower than elsewhere, batteries are now cost-competitive with gas-fired power due in part to state-level clean energy goals and federal tax credits.

They're cost competitive.....if you outlaw alternatives and hand them taxpayer funds? LOL!
Damn, liberals really don't understand economics.

 

[Old Rocks]

Removing cheaper, reliable energy and replacing it with more expensive, less reliable energy.......of course they'll pay more. DURR.

Electricity from wind and solar is cheaper than that from fossil fuels, and far, far cheaper than nuclear.

Is that why power in California is so cheap? Lots of renewables, little nuclear and fossil fuel?

Is that why power in Illinois is so expensive? No renewables, lots of nuclear and coal?

Of the 62.3 million MWh of electricity produced in Oregon in 2019, 62.2% came from renewable sources -- making the state one of only six nationwide where half of all electricity is produced from renewables.Apr 1, 2021

This is How Much Renewable Energy Oregon is Producing

Within weeks of taking office, President Joe Biden issued a series of executive orders aimed at making the U.S. carbon neutral by 2050. This goal hinges on eliminating greenhouse gas

www.thecentersquare.com

The cost of electricity in Oregon is over 2 cents per kw cheaper than the national average.

 

[Oddball]

Such a liar and ignoramus you remain.

A 50-Year-Old Global Warming Forecast That Still Holds Up - Eos

In 1972, Mikhail Ivanovich Budyko used a simple methodology to make climate predictions that remain surprisingly accurate today and that could serve as a new “business-as-usual” scenario.

eos.org

yawn

In '72 they were claiming that the next ice age was coming.

You warmer clowns have never been right.

 

[Old Rocks]

yawn

In '72 they were claiming that the next ice age was coming.

You warmer clowns have never been right.

Damn, you looney tunes just keep repeating that lie, even when you are shown it is a lies.

What were climate scientists predicting in the 1970s?

<p>1970s ice age predictions were predominantly media based. The majority of peer reviewed research at the time predicted warming due to increasing CO2.</p>

skepticalscience.com

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Of the 62.3 million MWh of electricity produced in Oregon in 2019, 62.2% came from renewable sources -- making the state one of only six nationwide where half of all electricity is produced from renewables.Apr 1, 2021

This is How Much Renewable Energy Oregon is Producing

Within weeks of taking office, President Joe Biden issued a series of executive orders aimed at making the U.S. carbon neutral by 2050. This goal hinges on eliminating greenhouse gas

www.thecentersquare.com

The cost of electricity in Oregon is over 2 cents per kw cheaper than the national average.

Are we building a lot of new hydropower lately?

 

[Oddball]

FOLLOW THE SCIENCE!!!!

Fucking loons,