World War One Through Arab Eyes

[Saigon]

Perhaps you are not worried, but many in Europe have seen the changes in their own countries and are certainly worried.

Some people are worried, certainly, but it's also an issue that has been swept up by sensationalist media and right-wing politicians.

For most people I think the concern is more about radicals and the few people going to and from Europe to groups like ISIS that spark genuine concern. Given that 95% of the Muslim communities of Birminghan, Rotterdam, Berlin or Marseille don't have interests in terror or extremism it becomes a bit of a moot point. I also don't know what you mean by 'no go areas', except perhaps the banlieue. Can you name a few so that we know what you mean?

 

[Challenger]

World War One was four years of bitter conflict from 1914 to 1918. Called 'The Great War' and the 'war to end all wars', it is often remembered for its grim and relentless trench warfare - with Europe seen as the main theatre of war.

But this was a battle fought on many fronts. There is a story other than the mainstream European narrative. It is not told as often but was of huge importance during the war and of lasting significance afterwards. It is the story of the Arab troops who were forced to fight on both sides but whose contribution is often forgotten.

Might be interesting viewing World War One Through Arab Eyes - Special series - Al Jazeera English

You can't blame Challenger, he is very interested in things according to "Arab eyes", because he converted to a religion created by an Arabian warlord terrorist.

Wong again Rude-eee, I'm a Humanist; always have been since I could think for myself. Look it up if you're interested, if not, no loss.

Ah a humanist who is obsessed only with the "sufferings" of Arabs and Muslims. Ha ha ha.

I'm not "obsessed" with anything; I leave that to you and your kind- the racists, the bigots, the cowards, the uneducated, the foolish and the downright stupid.

Yeah? What's your excuse, other than being a Jew hating asshole convert to Islam?

How about showing things from the "eyes" of people killed, oppressed, and persecuted by your fellow Arab Muslims? Or are your crocodile tears only reserved for Islamist savages getting consequences for their barbaric actions?

There are 24 hours in any given day and I have a rich and fulfilling life outside of this internet forum. I can't "save" everyone and my area of interest is the current brutal oppression of the Palestinians by a despicable and savage Zionist occupation regime in Palestine. As I've said before, I'm a Humanist not a Muslim, Catholic, Protestant, Hindu, Taoist, nor do I follow Judaism. I'm against any radical or fundamentalist form of religion as it invariably creates ignorance, bigotry and intolerance, traits that are signally evident in your posting.

 

[Penelope]

The video wont work in the US. Thanks for posting.

 

[Saigon]

The video wont work in the US. Thanks for posting.

It works in Finland....

 

[Penelope]

The video wont work in the US. Thanks for posting.

It works in Finland....

It keeps saying the uploader has not made this available in your country. Darn I'd like to watch it.

 

[Roudy]

You can't blame Challenger, he is very interested in things according to "Arab eyes", because he converted to a religion created by an Arabian warlord terrorist.

Wong again Rude-eee, I'm a Humanist; always have been since I could think for myself. Look it up if you're interested, if not, no loss.

Ah a humanist who is obsessed only with the "sufferings" of Arabs and Muslims. Ha ha ha.

I'm not "obsessed" with anything; I leave that to you and your kind- the racists, the bigots, the cowards, the uneducated, the foolish and the downright stupid.

Yeah? What's your excuse, other than being a Jew hating asshole convert to Islam?

How about showing things from the "eyes" of people killed, oppressed, and persecuted by your fellow Arab Muslims? Or are your crocodile tears only reserved for Islamist savages getting consequences for their barbaric actions?

There are 24 hours in any given day and I have a rich and fulfilling life outside of this internet forum. I can't "save" everyone and my area of interest is the current brutal oppression of the Palestinians by a despicable and savage Zionist occupation regime in Palestine. As I've said before, I'm a Humanist not a Muslim, Catholic, Protestant, Hindu, Taoist, nor do I follow Judaism. I'm against any radical or fundamentalist form of religion as it invariably creates ignorance, bigotry and intolerance, traits that are signally evident in your posting.

Yeah yeah yeah. Nice try, no cigar. It's obvious who and what you are when you are constantly whining about Arab / Muslim sufferings. Want to know why Muslims are at war with the world?

Clash of Civilizations
The Clash of Civilizations is a theory, proposed by political scientist Samuel P. Huntington, that people's cultural and religious identities will be the primary source of conflict in the post-Cold War world.

The theory was originally formulated in a 1992 lecture[1] at the American Enterprise Institute, which was then developed in a 1993 Foreign Affairs article titled "The Clash of Civilizations?",[2] in response to Francis Fukuyama's 1992 book, The End of History and the Last Man. Huntington later expanded his thesis in a 1996 book The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order.

The term itself was first used by Bernard Lewis in an article in the September 1990 issue ofThe Atlantic Monthly titled "The Roots of Muslim Rage".[3]

Huntington believed that while the age of ideology had ended, the world had only reverted to a normal state of affairs characterized by cultural conflict. In his thesis, he argued that the primary axis of conflict in the future will be along cultural and religious lines.[5]

As an extension, he posits that the concept of different civilizations, as the highest rank of cultural identity, will become increasingly useful in analyzing the potential for conflict.

In the 1993 Foreign Affairs article, Huntington writes:

"It is my hypothesis that the fundamental source of conflict in this new world will not be primarily ideological or primarily economic. The great divisions among humankind and the dominating source of conflict will be cultural. Nation states will remain the most powerful actors in world affairs, but the principal conflicts of global politics will occur between nations and groups of different civilizations. The clash of civilizations will dominate global politics. The fault lines between civilizations will be the battle lines of the future.[2]"

Huntington's thesis of civilizational clash
Russia and India are what Huntington terms 'swing civilizations' and may favor either side. Russia, for example, clashes with the many Muslim ethnic groups on its southern border (such as Chechnya) but—according to Huntington—cooperates with Iran to avoid further Muslim-Orthodox violence in Southern Russia, and to help continue the flow of oil. Huntington argues that a "Sino-Islamic connection" is emerging in which China will cooperate more closely with Iran, Pakistan, and other states to augment its international position.

Huntington also argues that civilizational conflicts are "particularly prevalent between Muslims and non-Muslims", identifying the "bloody borders" between Islamic and non-Islamic civilizations. This conflict dates back as far as the initial thrust of Islam into Europe,[citation needed] its eventual expulsion in the Iberian reconquest and the attacks of the Ottoman Turks on Eastern Europe and Vienna. Huntington also believes that some of the factors contributing to this conflict are that both Christianity (which has influenced Western civilization) and Islam.

Huntington offers six main explanations for why civilizations will clash:

1. Differences among civilizations are too basic in that civilizations are differentiated from each other by history, language, culture, tradition, and, most important, religion. These fundamental differences are the product of centuries, so they will not soon disappear.
2. The world is becoming a smaller place. As a result, the interactions across the world are increasing, and they intensify civilization consciousness and awareness of differences between civilizations and commonalities within civilizations.
3. Due to the economic modernization and social change, people are separated from longstanding local identities. Instead, religion has replaced this gap, which provides a basis for identity and commitment that transcends national boundaries and unites civilizations.
4. The growth of civilization-consciousness is enhanced by the dual role of the West. On the one hand, the West is at a peak of power. At the same time, a return-to-the-roots phenomenon is occurring among non-Western civilizations. A West at the peak of its power confronts non-Western countries that increasingly have the desire, the will and the resources to shape the world in non-Western ways.
5. Cultural characteristics and differences are less mutable and hence less easily compromised and resolved than political and economic ones.
6. Economic regionalism is increasing. Successful economic regionalism will reinforce civilization-consciousness. Economic regionalism may succeed only when it is rooted in a common civilization

 

[Saigon]

The video wont work in the US. Thanks for posting.

It works in Finland....

It keeps saying the uploader has not made this available in your country. Darn I'd like to watch it.

The first episode was very good....a lot I didn't know about the French allegdly using Tunisians as canon fodder at Ypres. Well worth a look.

 

[Roudy]

For those interested, episode 1 is now available on you tube

Since World War I was so many years ago, I think most people would find it more interesting to see how Europe is falling to the Muslims, especially Great Britain, and how many of the Englishmen there are looking forward to becoming Dhimmis. As one Paki Brit poster always would say that the Muslims will be able to take over because they are the ones having all the babies. Do you think you can convince Al Jazeera to do a documentary on that?

The current Muslim population of the UK is less that 5% of the total; very long way to go before we here "fall" to anyone. I'm more worried about Pagans, imagine if they take over, all that naked dancing around in the trees; some sights are better left unseen.

As for Europe "falling" in 2010 there were 44,138,000 muslims in Europe 6% of the total population. Given current fertility rates amongst muslims in Europe, by 2030 there will be 58,209,000 or 8% of the projected total population. The Future of the Global Muslim Population Pew Research Center s Religion Public Life Project So not much point making a documentarty about this topic unless you want to pander to the Islamophobic right-wing scare-mongerers (aka Fascists and NeoNazis) that Europe is cursed with at trhe moment. As it happens there are several documentaries available about the rise of Nazism in post-war Europe; I suppose that shows the relative levels of concern amongst normal Europeans.

Perhaps you are not worried, but many in Europe have seen the changes in their own countries and are certainly worried. Why not go into one of those No Go areas and tell the people that they are not going to take over any time soon, but be patient. I wish the Paki Brit were posting here, and he could tell you that he doesn't care how his brethren abuse young White women because all these women are just White Meat.

Perhaps you are not worried, but many in Europe have seen the changes in their own countries and are certainly worried.

They would be the uneducated, the foolish or the downright stupid; or the far-Right politicians who exploit those traits for their own agendas. Care to point out to where these "no-go" areas are? I've travelled to many european countries and cities in my time and must have missed them, never saw that many obvious Muslims either, for that matter, except in the London boroughs of Kilburn and Islington which have thriving Muslim communities, and curiously enough a thriving Jewish community in Kilburn which gets along fine with their neighbours.

Yes, there will be exceptions. For every Right-wing skinhead nut-job, you will find a Radicalised Muslim fundamerntalist nut-job and women are abused all over the world by men, regardless of their religion or ethnicity, that's the real crime.

Seriously, are you claiming what there are no-go Muslim areas in UK and Europe? Maybe because you look like one of them! Ha ha ha. How do you know a terrorist ass kisser is lying? It opens its mouth.


European 'No-Go' Zones for Non-Muslims Proliferating
Islamic extremists are stepping up the creation of "no-go" areas in European cities that are off-limits to non-Muslims.

Many of the "no-go" zones function as microstates governed by Islamic Sharia law. Host-country authorities effectively have lost control in these areas and in many instances are unable to provide even basic public aid such as police, fire fighting and ambulance services.

The "no-go" areas are the by-product of decades of multicultural policies that have encouraged Muslim immigrants to create parallel societies and remain segregated rather than become integrated into their European host nations.

In Britain, for example, a Muslim group called Muslims Against the Crusades has launched acampaign to turn twelve British cities – including what it calls "Londonistan" – into independent Islamic states. The so-called Islamic Emirates would function as autonomous enclaves ruled by Islamic Sharia law and operate entirely outside British jurisprudence.

The Islamic Emirates Project names the British cities of Birmingham, Bradford, Derby, Dewsbury, Leeds, Leicester, Liverpool, Luton, Manchester, Sheffield, as well as Waltham Forest in northeast London and Tower Hamlets in East London as territories to be targeted for blanket Sharia rule.

In the Tower Hamlets area of East London (also known as the Islamic Republic of Tower Hamlets), for example, extremist Muslim preachers, called the Tower Hamlets Taliban, regularly issue death threats to women who refuse to wear Islamic veils. Neighborhood streets have been plastered with posters declaring "You are entering a Sharia controlled zone: Islamic rules enforced." And street advertising deemed offensive to Muslims is regularly vandalized or blacked out with spray paint.

In the Bury Park area of Luton, Muslims have been accused of "ethnic cleansing" by harassing non-Muslims to the point that many of them move out of Muslim neighborhoods. In the West Midlands, two Christian preachers have been accused of "hate crimes" for handing out gospel leaflets in a predominantly Muslim area of Birmingham. In Leytonstone in east London, the Muslim extremist Abu Izzadeen heckled the former Home Secretary John Reid by saying: "How dare you come to a Muslim area."

In France, large swaths of Muslim neighborhoods are now considered "no-go" zones by French police. At last count, there are 751 Sensitive Urban Zones (Zones Urbaines Sensibles, ZUS), as they are euphemistically called. A complete list of the ZUS can be found on a French government website, complete with satellite maps and precise street demarcations. An estimated 5 million Muslims live in the ZUS, parts of France over which the French state has lost control.

Muslim immigrants are taking control of other parts of France too. In Paris and other French cities with high Muslim populations, such as Lyons, Marseilles and Toulouse, thousands of Muslims are closing off streets and sidewalks (and by extension, are closing down local businesses and trapping non-Muslim residents in their homes and offices) to accommodate overflowing crowds for Friday prayers. Some mosques have also begun broadcasting sermons and chants of "Allahu Akbar" via loudspeakers into the streets.

The weekly spectacles, which have been documented by dozens of videos posted on Youtube.com (here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here and here), and which have been denounced as an "occupation without tanks or soldiers," have provoked anger and disbelief. But despite many public complaints, local authorities have declined to intervene because they are afraid of sparking riots.

In the Belgian capital of Brussels (which is 20% Muslim), several immigrant neighborhoods have become "no-go" zones for police officers, who frequently are pelted with rocks by Muslim youth. In the Kuregem district of Brussels, which often resembles an urban war zone, police are forced to patrol the area with two police cars: one car to carry out the patrols and another car to prevent the first car from being attacked. In the Molenbeek district of Brussels, police have been ordered not to drink coffee or eat a sandwich in public during the Islamic month of Ramadan.

In Germany, Chief Police Commissioner Bernhard Witthaut, in an August 1 interview with the newspaper Der Westen, revealed that Muslim immigrants are imposing "no-go" zones in cities across Germany at an alarming rate.

The interviewer asked Witthaut: "Are there urban areas – for example in the Ruhr – districts and housing blocks that are "no-go areas," meaning that they can no longer be secured by the police?" Witthaut replied: "Every police commissioner and interior minister will deny it. But of course we know where we can go with the police car and where, even initially, only with the personnel carrier. The reason is that our colleagues can no longer feel safe there in twos, and have to fear becoming the victim of a crime themselves. We know that these areas exist. Even worse: in these areas crimes no longer result in charges. They are left 'to themselves.' Only in the worst cases do we in the police learn anything about it. The power of the state is completely out of the picture."

In Italy, Muslims have been commandeering the Piazza Venezia in Rome for public prayers. In Bologna, Muslims repeatedly have threatened to bomb the San Petronio cathedral because it contains a 600-year-old fresco inspired by Dante's Inferno which depicts Mohammed being tormented in hell.

In the Netherlands, a Dutch court ordered the government to release to the public a politically incorrect list of 40 "no-go" zones in Holland. The top five Muslim problem neighborhoods are in Amsterdam, Rotterdam and Utrecht. The Kolenkit area in Amsterdam is the number one Muslim "problem district" in the country. The next three districts are in Rotterdam – Pendrecht, het Oude Noorden and Bloemhof. The Ondiep district in Utrecht is in the fifth position, followed by Rivierenwijk (Deventer), Spangen (Rotterdam), Oude Westen (Rotterdam), Heechterp/ Schieringen (Leeuwarden) and Noord-Oost (Maastricht).

In Sweden, which has some of the most liberal immigration laws in Europe, large swaths of the southern city of Malmö – which is more than 25% Muslim – are "no-go" zones for non-Muslims. Fire and emergency workers, for example, refuse to enter Malmö's mostly Muslim Rosengaard district without police escorts. The male unemployment rate in Rosengaard is estimated to be above 80%. When fire fighters attempted to put out a fire at Malmö's main mosque, they were attacked by stone throwers.

In the Swedish city of Gothenburg, Muslim youth have been hurling petrol bombs at police cars. In the city's Angered district, where more than 15 police cars have been destroyed, teenagers have also been pointing green lasers at the eyes of police officers, some of whom have been temporarily blinded.

In Gothenburg's Backa district, youth have been throwing stones at patrolling officers. Gothenburg police have also been struggling to deal with the problem of Muslim teenagers burning cars and attacking emergency services in several areas of the city.

According to the Malmö-based Imam Adly Abu Hajar: "Sweden is the best Islamic state."

 

[Penelope]

The video wont work in the US. Thanks for posting.

It works in Finland....

It keeps saying the uploader has not made this available in your country. Darn I'd like to watch it.

The first episode was very good....a lot I didn't know about the French allegdly using Tunisians as canon fodder at Ypres. Well worth a look.

Well you tease, I may have to get in my private jet and fly to Finland or Britain(ha ha). I wonder if its only me that can't get it?

 

[Challenger]

The video wont work in the US. Thanks for posting.

They've released the documentary in Al Jazeera America here

 

[eagle1462010]

Armenian Genocide

WARNING GRAPHIC IMAGES.............

Genocide Museum The Armenian Genocide Museum-institute

 

[eagle1462010]

Those are examples of what the Arabs did in this War and afterwards..................Show that version of looking at WWI in ARAB EYES.......................

Perhaps they shouldn't have been animals and you could get some respect for that time period............Do you want respect for the systematic slaughter of the Armenians......................Chose to post on a dang Arab Web site.

They committed atrocities and got their collective asses kicked. GOOD.

 

[Challenger]

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Those are examples of what the Arabs did in this War and afterwards..................Show that version of looking at WWI in ARAB EYES.......................

Perhaps they shouldn't have been animals and you could get some respect for that time period............Do you want respect for the systematic slaughter of the Armenians......................Chose to post on a dang Arab Web site.

They committed atrocities and got their collective asses kicked. GOOD.

Oh good grief! Please do us all a favour by learning the difference between Arabs and Turks. Thank you.

 

[eagle1462010]

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Those are examples of what the Arabs did in this War and afterwards..................Show that version of looking at WWI in ARAB EYES.......................

Perhaps they shouldn't have been animals and you could get some respect for that time period............Do you want respect for the systematic slaughter of the Armenians......................Chose to post on a dang Arab Web site.

They committed atrocities and got their collective asses kicked. GOOD.

Oh good grief! Please do us all a favour by learning the difference between Arabs and Turks. Thank you.

Tell me how many countries really existed in the Middle East until WWI then............How many..............Who ruled the entire region.......................

Can you.............Was there an Iran..............Spare me...............the Ottomans ruled the whole dang region later to put in a corner called present day Turkey and ARABS lived under their empire.

 

[Roadrunner]

The video wont work in the US. Thanks for posting.

It works in Finland....

It keeps saying the uploader has not made this available in your country. Darn I'd like to watch it.

The first episode was very good....a lot I didn't know about the French allegdly using Tunisians as canon fodder at Ypres. Well worth a look.

You didn't know colonial powers used colonial troops in WWI?

How do you think they bled the Germans dry?

 

[Roadrunner]

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Those are examples of what the Arabs did in this War and afterwards..................Show that version of looking at WWI in ARAB EYES.......................

Perhaps they shouldn't have been animals and you could get some respect for that time period............Do you want respect for the systematic slaughter of the Armenians......................Chose to post on a dang Arab Web site.

They committed atrocities and got their collective asses kicked. GOOD.

Oh good grief! Please do us all a favour by learning the difference between Arabs and Turks. Thank you.

Tell me how many countries really existed in the Middle East until WWI then............How many..............Who ruled the entire region.......................

Can you.............Was there an Iran..............Spare me...............the Ottomans ruled the whole dang region later to put in a corner called present day Turkey and ARABS lived under their empire.

The solution to world peace is to erase all lines drawn by dead Brits, and let people sort it out as they see fit.

 

[Saigon]

Roadrunner-

I've spent a bit of time in places like Ypres and Gallipolli, as I guess most of us have, so of course I knew that colonial troops were used - but I hadn't heard that France had used Tunisians troops as canon fodder.

 

[Roadrunner]

Roadrunner-

I've spent a bit of time in places like Ypres and Gallipolli, as I guess most of us have, so of course I knew that colonial troops were used - but I hadn't heard that France had used Tunisians troops as canon fodder.

All troops were used as cannon fodder.

Americans were used as cannon fodder too.

My grandmother's next door neighbour died on November 11, 1918.

There was an investigation as to why some idiot ordered an attack on the Germans, who fired back, reluctantly.

Don't recall his unit at this time, but there was no reason for the action that led to his death.

 

[Roadrunner]

Roadrunner-

I've spent a bit of time in places like Ypres and Gallipolli, as I guess most of us have, so of course I knew that colonial troops were used - but I hadn't heard that France had used Tunisians troops as canon fodder.

Most of us have spent time at Ypres and Gallipoli?

Come now, you jest.

 

[Saigon]

Most of us have spent time at Ypres and Gallipoli?

Come now, you jest.

Well...maybe not on this board, I guess.

But in Europe and to some extent Australasia, then yeah, most people will travel to the old WWI and WWII sites their countries were involved in. Likewise Auschwitz, Berlin and those kind of places. They are places of pilgrimmage, in a sense. It's how people learn about history.