World War III

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  1. midcan5
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    Thought this piece / book interesting given so much speculative nonsense.

    "America’s domestic politics may be more ambiguous than they were in the years covered by this book — today, the ultimate boss of the F.B.I. is that onetime community organizer with all of those supposedly questionable ’60s ties — but many of the same problems exposed in this book still exist. Whether it’s Valerie Plame, Ruby Ridge or Roger Clemens, we see the same tendency of politicians to obsess over personal vendettas and of police to chase harmless bugaboos while really dangerous crime and corruption flowers unmonitored. An F.B.I. obsessed with drug trafficking and white-power extremists missed the terrorist conspiracy leading up to 9/11, and the same national police forces today ignore high-level corruption on Wall Street in favor of infiltrating the scattershot Occupy protest movements."

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/07/books/review/subversives-by-seth-rosenfeld.html
     
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    Great Video, and so true, but to leave any bad farm in it's current state is always a traggedy, so the changing of the farm must take place in order to make the farm more free and compatible for humans to be happy and productive in, and this instead of where we are at currently in our little USA farm as is found within the world right now.

    This is why we have the constitution, and why it was sworn to be protected by all whom came afterwards, but now and during various points in time, we have had new leaders residing over the farm, that have and do determin within these points in time upon how the farm would be run at times or going foward, and to whether or not it would sway away from those founding principles in which made the farm a better place to be for humans when kept it's principles and good changes over time, instead of a bad place to be for humans in which it can easily become if not careful when attempting for change to take place, but in the wrong ways is this change surmised or then contemplated by it's new owners or leaderships.

    I guess it is like the old Southern Plantations for example, where as we hear stories of slaves who loved their masters on specific plantations or farms but why? Why was this anomoly taking place? I guess it was because they were treated with care, compassion and better circumstances than others were being found as treated on other plantations at the time, so compatibility between owners and slaves was an issue always in determining production and the health of the plantation as it stood back in those days. An unequal ideology existed across the spectrum of time during that period I imagine, in which was found in these places, even though the better situations were probably few and far between, but they were better places even so to be found within these places. Now even though they were found in small pockets amongst so many plantations back in those days, a little daylight is always better than none. So lets say that there was a plantation that served as a beam of light amongst the many that was found back then in their world as they existed, just as this huge nation has served as a beam of light in the whole wide world/earth the same, now shouldn't we preserve this beam or try and keep it lit up for all to see, instead of trying to extinguish it for good ? Should we allow the bad farms/plantations with it's bad leadership to overcome the good ones that know how to encourage freedom and happyness among it's human workers and citizens, otherwise in order to obtain it's over all farming goals as it seeks to remain productive and competitive in the world ?
     
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    We should recognize that "shouldn't we preserve this beam or try and keep it lit up for all to see, instead of trying to extinguish it for good" is a false statement of plantation slavery and a false conclusion that we should preserve the "good" of plantation slavery.

    Anyone who has read extensively in this subject knows that "this beam" was fool's gold.

    There is not good in this plantation argument, none.

    It's an armpit argument all the way. The smell is always there.
     
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    Your comprehension is very bad, and you have totally missed the point that I was making in the thread, so go back and carefully re-read what I have written, in which is not an indorsement of slavery at all, but instead an example of how people react in certain situations, and this all due to the way in which they are treated in those specific situations, even though they may have been few and far between. Did you even watch the video before responding to what I had written ? If not then go back and watch it, then you will understand my analogy or comparrison by way of the slave times we know of, and how even though as bad as that was, there were still slave owners who treated their slaves differently than others did, in which caused their slaves to become more like servants who were willing to stand up for these owners as opposed to the ones who were treated as slaves by their owners, and that were abusive and mean to them in order to get the job done.

    Job in the bible was asked about his servants and how was it that he were to treat them, and Job said that he would treat them good, or how would it be that the master (God) to think of him when he comes to visit Job ? You are weak when it comes to understanding parrables or analogies in regards to something that is written or viewed, and then you add your bias to your reply in which totally steered you in the wrong direction as to what it was that you were reading or responding to. Oh and please keep my work in context, so that you not confuse others with your bias in which undoubtedly you see everything through one prism and/or one lense when reading and then responding to such works. I don't appeciate you mis-construing my works in the way that you just did. I spoke of a beam of light amongst a sea of darkness in the wold of plantations as it stood back then, that caused the slaves to have a sigh of relief as to what was taking place on their specific plantation, as opposed to others, but it was no endorsement of slavery what so ever ok. Then as for the beam of light in which I was speaking of concerning America (who treats people differently than other nations in the world does), just as we know of it today, it must be preserved as this tiny little beam of light that also exist within a sea of darkness as well. No we should never accept the bad within these worlds, but always hold up the beam where ever it may be within these worlds, and that beam is the light of good, and not that of the whole world or worlds in which it may exist in through in and throughout time. If we hold up the light of good where ever it may be found, then bad worlds and bad things vanish around this light, but to allow the light to fade or go out is a bad thing in and amongst itself.
     
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    While the book certainly does sound interesting, very interesting, the review of the book is nothing but disingenuous spin, notably the part you have quoted. Most of the article that you have quoted I would agree with. The FBI has been one of our greatest countervailing forces for protecting US citizens from from the likes of programs like Operation Mockingbird, etc. Unfortunately, it has become toothless and flaccid now that it has been placed under that same umbrella as the CIA (Homeland security,) having no true autonomy. This was done purposely, as the FBI was actively trying to expose treasonous activity that led up to the national coup d'état that one can call 911.

    In regards to the piece you quoted? I already warned you about the dangers of relying on establishment media. #34 So now, after 911, we have the government reorganizing the intelligence services (Homeland security) to castrate the effectiveness of the FBI, is it any wonder that the establishment media would run a hit piece on the FBI? Remember, it was the FBI that wanted to take down these CIA patsies. They were the ones that were watching these "terrorists" learn to fly planes, some of them at US air bases. They were the ones that identified them as not really being "fundamentalists. Fundamentalists don't go to strip bars and bars. If it weren't for the FBI maybe the official government report about that happened on 911 might be credible, as it is, it is not. Thanks to the FBI, we know those so called terrorists were either M16, Mossad, or CIA trained patsies.

    http://www.hereinreality.com/johnoneill.html
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    "This book was banned in Switzerland at the request of Osama Bin Laden's brother.
    It details State Department dealings with the Taliban prior to September 11 over a pipeline that US energy companies were trying to build through Afghanistan. This book highlights the struggle of former FBI man John O'Neill."
     
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    Simply put, the FBI didn't miss the "terrorist" conspiracy. There was no terrorist conspiracy. There were only terrorist patsies. When the FBI was getting wind of this, the controllers gutted the FBI.
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/KUP206A.html
     
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    We are not talking about farming now, no matter how bad it is .

    We are talking to the fools who insist that slavery was a positive good for the development of the African American.

    Stay focused, beagle9.
     
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    They do seem to be.
    Tell me, who exactly is pushing the point and placing military forces on Japan's soil?
    Oh, yes, America.
     
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    This is what I have been telling people, if we attack Iran, it could result in the end of all life on planet earth. You've got to be absolutely nuts, to think we can just go from country to country, making up bullshit reasons to attack sovereign nations and not suffer any repercussions from that.

    When the Soviet Union collapsed, Russia kept their military. And if we don't stop this insanity, it won't be some mythical threat of Islam we will have to worry about, it will be a real threat, that has the ability to barbacue this country in less than a half-hour. It won't be suicide bombers hitting us, it will be real bombers, with real bombs, bombs as big as ours, that will be dropping on our doorstep. And it won't be anthrax in the mail we'll be getting, it will be ICBM's with nuclear warheads in less than 20 minutes.

    That's why I said, if I find out their ICBM's have been launched, I've got 15 minutes to go out and find me a neocon and beat the holly shit out of them for causing this mess. That would be the last thing I do on planet earth.

    We, as Americans, need to separate ourselves from the mistakes the Germans made and do something about this mess before it's too late. We need to vote out all incumbants on both sides, purge the entire government in each election, until we get the people in there that, once again, work for us, not this corporate oligarchy, that they represent now.

    The greatest threat to peace on earth, is corporatism.
     
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