World Renowned Scientist Says Official Story For 9/11 is a Fraud

[Fizz]

i have come to the conclusion from viewing this message board that anyone that still believes that 9/11 was an inside job is completely nuts and in denial of reality.

terral, christphera and eots have been shown thousands of facts and have yet to show one piece of evidence that contradicts the official story.

their continual denial just shows how mentally ill they really are.

you claim to have shown a thousand facts but that is far from reality

thats not what i claim. i claim you were shown thousands of facts. i didnt say i did it.

and trying to claim mental illness of those you are debating is just your flailing attempt to distract from that fact ...if your bizarre assertion were correct then there would have to be unprecedented event of massive insanity effecting hundreds of individuals of awarded and honored service in some of the most sensitive and high tech areas of military..intelligence and government research..that's quite the story agent jizz...news worthy in itself don't you think ?..

oh please!!!

dont try to lump yourself into the same group as "individuals of awarded and honored service in some of the most sensitive and high tech areas of military..intelligence and government research."

we have already seen that their statements are extremely misrepresented here.

and anyone that thinks i am a government agent is truly insane!!

 

[CurveLight]

I looked up what Col Nelson said about one tail number and I didn't see where it was still in service but I did find this:

http://www.airframes.org/reg/n591ua

That link points out there is no official ntsb record for it so I looked for that and got this:

FBI Refuses To Confirm Identity Of 9/11 Planes


Does anyone know of full reports for the 4 flights?

 

[Fizz]

I looked up what Col Nelson said about one tail number and I didn't see where it was still in service but I did find this:

http://www.airframes.org/reg/n591ua

That link points out there is no official ntsb record for it so I looked for that and got this:

FBI Refuses To Confirm Identity Of 9/11 Planes


Does anyone know of full reports for the 4 flights?

just looking at the tail number quickly makes me guess that it is perhaps a virtual tail number.

N591UA for united airlines??

i will look later for the actual tail numbers of the 4 aircraft.

have a nice christmas.

 

[DiveCon]

Reinvestigate to end this once and for all.

Are you people affraid of what may be found if its reinvestigated?

why waste the time and money when these nutballs wont accept ANY investigation

 

[Liability]

same as with candy corn, fizz and sfc ollie to name a few official conspiracy theory apologists around here.they are always grasping at straws desperately trying to get around the facts that architects,engineers,demolition experts and scientists dont accept the official conspiracy theory.their logic of course is,if the government and mainstream media said it,then its obviously true.hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaa.they cant get around the fact that 7 of the worlds most renowed scientists found evidence of thermite in the samples that were recovered.hee hee.

Not one of you fundamentally dishonest and mentally fucked Troofers has EVER been able to address the questions that logically arise when your insane "theories" get explored.

Who did the "inside job" you fucktards seem to desperately want to believe in?

What was in it for them?

HOW the fuck did they pull off the massive complexities that would absolutely be required for your retarded "theories" to hold ANY water at all?

How the hell do they manage to keep such a monstrous conspiracy so close to the vest with nobody breaking ranks?



The list goes on and on.

And not one of you fucking imbeciles has the sense to see how foolish your lunatic "theories" conclusively show you to be. And none of your creeps has any ability to answer any of the questions!

Please keep posting. This place is always good for a few extra belly laughs whenever one of your lying dumber than shit motherfuckers starts in again.

the motive and gain is clear and laid out in pnac or do you believe that document is fake as well ? and the rest of your spiel about the complexity ,number of people required with direct knowledge..the ability to keep covert are your assumptions and formed with no expertise on the workings of intelligence and covert operations ..however those with an intimate understanding of this entities seem to differ with your opinion I find this worthy of consideration...

Bullshit evasion!

The PNAC "document" sets forth some very genralized beliefs about the role America should play in the world.

It does not a single fucking thing to explain the alleged motives for any Americans to have committed the 9/11/2001 atrocities.

You are a fucking stooge.

 

[Liability]

citing liarability's opinion is like citing a sack of shit..with no credentials when it comes to science, logic or reasoned thinking

And yet, even lacking "science" credentials, I still provide vastly more reasonable opinions than the lunacy YOU offer on a regular (i.e., exclusive) basis, id-eots.

Unlike you, I happen to be purdy good at logic and at reasoned thinking. It is you who has zero capacity for those things -- as all of your lunatic musings prove time and time again.

ROTFLLMAOASMF!!!

You're the douchebag that dreamed up the conspiracy theory the Operation Northwoods documents were planted to boost the Truth movement on the sole basis of the phrase "off on a holiday." (Remember....the docs were made public long before 9E) You absolutely have no fucking ability to reason nor think critically on any level higher than a pre-school crack head. Who the hell you trying to fool? Lol!

Sorry twat rag:

You have already been flagged on your undue resort to that evasive technique.

In any event, it is good to know that there is at least ONE "conspiracy theory" an asslicking fucktard such as you won't "buy."

You are the one utterly lacking in any ability to employ logic as all your asinine posts prove, conclusively.

 

[CurveLight]

Not one of you fundamentally dishonest and mentally fucked Troofers has EVER been able to address the questions that logically arise when your insane "theories" get explored.

Who did the "inside job" you fucktards seem to desperately want to believe in?

What was in it for them?

HOW the fuck did they pull off the massive complexities that would absolutely be required for your retarded "theories" to hold ANY water at all?

How the hell do they manage to keep such a monstrous conspiracy so close to the vest with nobody breaking ranks?



The list goes on and on.

And not one of you fucking imbeciles has the sense to see how foolish your lunatic "theories" conclusively show you to be. And none of your creeps has any ability to answer any of the questions!

Please keep posting. This place is always good for a few extra belly laughs whenever one of your lying dumber than shit motherfuckers starts in again.

the motive and gain is clear and laid out in pnac or do you believe that document is fake as well ? and the rest of your spiel about the complexity ,number of people required with direct knowledge..the ability to keep covert are your assumptions and formed with no expertise on the workings of intelligence and covert operations ..however those with an intimate understanding of this entities seem to differ with your opinion I find this worthy of consideration...

Bullshit evasion!

The PNAC "document" sets forth some very genralized beliefs about the role America should play in the world.

It does not a single fucking thing to explain the alleged motives for any Americans to have committed the 9/11/2001 atrocities.

You are a fucking stooge.

The fact you refer the manifesto as "very generalized
beliefs" reveals that you have not read it and if you have then you are being typically dishonest. Surprised you haven't claimed it is all fake and planted documents like Northwoods. Oh wait, that will be next..........lol......and you call people stooges?

 

[CurveLight]

And yet, even lacking "science" credentials, I still provide vastly more reasonable opinions than the lunacy YOU offer on a regular (i.e., exclusive) basis, id-eots.

Unlike you, I happen to be purdy good at logic and at reasoned thinking. It is you who has zero capacity for those things -- as all of your lunatic musings prove time and time again.

ROTFLLMAOASMF!!!

You're the douchebag that dreamed up the conspiracy theory the Operation Northwoods documents were planted to boost the Truth movement on the sole basis of the phrase "off on a holiday." (Remember....the docs were made public long before 9E) You absolutely have no fucking ability to reason nor think critically on any level higher than a pre-school crack head. Who the hell you trying to fool? Lol!

Sorry twat rag:

You have already been flagged on your undue resort to that evasive technique.

In any event, it is good to know that there is at least ONE "conspiracy theory" an asslicking fucktard such as you won't "buy."

You are the one utterly lacking in any ability to employ logic as all your asinine posts prove, conclusively.

Your stellar logic is on display again.

 

[Toro]

Bullshit evasion!

The PNAC "document" sets forth some very genralized beliefs about the role America should play in the world.

It does not a single fucking thing to explain the alleged motives for any Americans to have committed the 9/11/2001 atrocities.

You are a fucking stooge.

The PNAC argument is pretty dumb. Stating the obvious does not imply intent. It just states the obvious.

 

[CurveLight]

Bullshit evasion!

The PNAC "document" sets forth some very genralized beliefs about the role America should play in the world.

It does not a single fucking thing to explain the alleged motives for any Americans to have committed the 9/11/2001 atrocities.

You are a fucking stooge.

The PNAC argument is pretty dumb. Stating the obvious does not imply motive. It just states the obvious.

Aren't you the one who didn't know the families and first responders were mainly responsible for the truth movement?

 

[eots]

i have come to the conclusion from viewing this message board that anyone that still believes that 9/11 was an inside job is completely nuts and in denial of reality.

terral, christphera and eots have been shown thousands of facts and have yet to show one piece of evidence that contradicts the official story.

their continual denial just shows how mentally ill they really are.

you claim to have shown a thousand facts but that is far from reality

thats not what i claim. i claim you were shown thousands of facts. i didnt say i did it.

and trying to claim mental illness of those you are debating is just your flailing attempt to distract from that fact ...if your bizarre assertion were correct then there would have to be unprecedented event of massive insanity effecting hundreds of individuals of awarded and honored service in some of the most sensitive and high tech areas of military..intelligence and government research..that's quite the story agent jizz...news worthy in itself don't you think ?..

oh please!!!

dont try to lump yourself into the same group as "individuals of awarded and honored service in some of the most sensitive and high tech areas of military..intelligence and government research."

we have already seen that their statements are extremely misrepresented here.

and anyone that thinks i am a government agent is truly insane!!

I call you agent fizz because of you ATTA story stupid..and why are you lying again ? these statements are not misrepresented except perhaps by you..



Col. Ronald D. Ray, U.S. Marine Corps (ret) – Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense during the Reagan Administration and a highly decorated Vietnam veteran (two Silver Stars, a Bronze Star and a Purple Heart). Appointed by President George H.W. Bush to serve on the American Battle Monuments Commission (1990 - 1994), and on the 1992 Presidential Commission on the Assignment of Women in the Armed Forces. Military Historian and Deputy Director of Field Operations for the U.S. Marine Corps Historical Center, Washington, D.C. 1990 - 1994.

Article 7/1/06: "The former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense under the Reagan Administration and a highly decorated Vietnam veteran and Colonel has gone on the record to voice his doubts about the official story of 9/11 - calling it ‘the dog that doesn't hunt.’ ‘I'm astounded that the conspiracy theory advanced by the administration could in fact be true and the evidence does not seem to suggest that's accurate,’ he said." Propaganda Matrix.com: Exposing the 4th Reich of the Elite and Government Sponsored Terrorism



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Major Douglas Rokke, PhD

Major Douglas Rokke, PhD, U.S. Army (ret) – Former Director U.S. Army Depleted Uranium Project. 30-year Army career.

Article 8/19/05: Regarding the impact at the Pentagon on 9/11/2001 "When you look at the whole thing, especially the crash site void of airplane parts, the size of the hole left in the building and the fact the projectile's impact penetrated numerous concrete walls, it looks like the work of a missile. And when you look at the damage, it was obviously a missile." Jeff Rense Program


Capt. Daniel Davis, U.S. Army – Former U.S. Army Air Defense Officer and NORAD Tac Director. Decorated with the Bronze Star and the Soldiers Medal for bravery under fire and the Purple Heart for injuries sustained in Viet Nam. Also served in the Army Air Defense Command as Nike Missile Battery Control Officer for the Chicago-Milwaukee Defense Area. Founder and former CEO of Turbine Technology Services Corp., a turbine (jet engine) services and maintenance company (15 years). Former Senior Manager at General Electric Turbine (jet) Engine Division (15 years). Private pilot.

Statement to this website 3/23/07: "As a former General Electric Turbine engineering specialist and manager and then CEO of a turbine engineering company, I can guarantee that none of the high tech, high temperature alloy engines on any of the four planes that crashed on 9/11 would be completely destroyed, burned, shattered or melted in any crash or fire. Wrecked, yes, but not destroyed. Where are all of those engines, particularly at the Pentagon? If jet powered aircraft crashed on 9/11, those engines, plus wings and tail assembly, would be there.

Additionally, in my experience as an officer in NORAD as a Tactical Director for the Chicago-Milwaukee Air Defense and as a current private pilot, there is no way that an aircraft on instrument flight plans (all commercial flights are IFR) would not be intercepted when they deviate from their flight plan, turn off their transponders, or stop communication with Air Traffic Control. No way! With very bad luck, perhaps one could slip by, but no there's no way all four of them could!

Finally, going over the hill and highway and crashing into the Pentagon right at the wall/ground interface is nearly impossible for even a small slow single engine airplane and no way for a 757. Maybe the best pilot in the world could accomplish that but not these unskilled "terrorists".

Attempts to obscure facts by calling them a "Conspiracy Theory" does not change the truth. It seems, "Something is rotten in the State."


Dwain Deets, MS Physics, MS Eng – Former Director, Aerospace Projects, NASA Dryden Flight Research Center. Before this appointment, he served as Director, Research Engineering Division at Dryden. Recipient of the NASA Exceptional Service Award and the Presidential Meritorious Rank Award in the Senior Executive Service (1988). Selected presenter of the Wright Brothers Lectureship in Aeronautics, a distinguished speaking engagement sponsored by the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA) (1986). Included in "Who's Who in Science and Engineering" 1993 - 2000. Former Chairman of the Aerospace Control and Guidance Systems Committee of the Society of Automotive Engineers. Former Member, AIAA Committee on Society and Aerospace Technology. 37 year NASA career.
Statement in support of Architects and Engineers petition:


"The many visual images (massive structural members being hurled horizontally, huge pyroclastic clouds, etc.) leave no doubt in my mind explosives were involved [in the destruction of the World Trade Center]." AE911Truth


Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11, signed by more than 950 Architects and Engineers:

"On Behalf of the People of the United States of America, the undersigned Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and affiliates hereby petition for, and demand, a truly independent investigation with subpoena power in order to uncover the full truth surrounding the events of 9/11/01 - specifically the collapse of the World Trade Center Towers and Building 7. We believe that there is sufficient doubt about the official story and therefore that the 9/11 investigation must be re-opened and must include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives that may have been the actual cause behind the destruction of the World Trade Center Towers and WTC Building 7." Sign the Petition




William Christison – Former National Intelligence Officer. Former Director of the CIA's Office of Regional and Political Analysis, a 250-person unit responsible for political analysis of every country and region in the world. 29-year CIA veteran.

Endorsement of Debunking 9/11 Debunking 3/30/07: "David Ray Griffin’s Debunking 9/11 Debunking is a superb compendium of the strong body of evidence showing the official U.S. Government story of what happened on September 11, 2001 to be almost certainly a monstrous series of lies. Tragically, the entire course of U.S. foreign and domestic policies since that date has grown out of these almost certain falsehoods. This single book could (and should) provide the basis for the United Nations‚ International Court of Justice, or some specially constituted global body (independent of the U.S.) to investigate with highest priority, and publicly report its findings about, the charge that unknown elements within the U.S. Government, and possibly some individuals elsewhere closely allied to the U.S., caused or contributed to causing the events of September 11 to happen." Amazon.com: Online Shopping for Electronics, Apparel, Computers, Books, DVDs & more


Essay Stop Belittling the Theories About September 11 8/14/06: "I now think there is persuasive evidence that the events of September did not unfold as the Bush administration and the 9/11 Commission would have us believe. … An airliner almost certainly did not hit The Pentagon. … The North and South Towers of the World Trade Center almost certainly did not collapse and fall to earth because hijacked aircraft hit them." Dissident Voice


Article 9/7/06: "David Griffin believes this all was totally an inside job - I've got to say I think that it was too. … I have since decided that....at least some elements in this US government had contributed in some way or other to causing 9/11 to happen or at least allowing it to happen. … The reason that the two towers in New York actually collapsed and fell all the way to the ground was controlled explosions rather than just being hit by two airplanes. … All of the characteristics of these demolitions show that they almost had to have been controlled explosions." Alex Jones' Prison Planet.com


Member: Scientific Panel Investigating Nine-Eleven Association Statement: "We have found solid scientific grounds on which to question the interpretation put upon the events of September 11, 2001 by the Office of the President of the United States of America and subsequently propagated by the major media of western nations."


Audio interview 9/29/06: "We very seriously need an entirely new very high level and truly independent investigation of the events of 9/11. I think you almost have to look at the 9/11 Commission Report as a joke and not a serious piece of analysis at all. It gave the administration what it wanted to support their official story on what happened on the date of September 11 and that's all they cared about. ... It's a monstrous crime. Absolutely a monstrous crime." Electric Politics


Bio: http://www.amalpress.com/

Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report

 

[Toro]

Aren't you the one who didn't know the families and first responders were mainly responsible for the truth movement?

Aren't you the foiler who linked to Kevin Ryan, a noted liar who was fired from his job for misrepresenting his company?

 

[CurveLight]

Aren't you the one who didn't know the families and first responders were mainly responsible for the truth movement?

Aren't you the foiler who linked to Kevin Ryan, a noted liar who was fired from his job for misrepresenting his company?

A simple "yes" would have sufficed. As for ryan, I don't know what link you are talking about and I don't know who that person is, but calling me a "foiler" sure reveals the depths of your knowledge. If it was made of water you couldn't drown a mosquito.

 

[Toro]

Aren't you the one who didn't know the families and first responders were mainly responsible for the truth movement?

Aren't you the foiler who linked to Kevin Ryan, a noted liar who was fired from his job for misrepresenting his company?

A simple "yes" would have sufficed. As for ryan, I don't know what link you are talking about and I don't know who that person is, but calling me a "foiler" sure reveals the depths of your knowledge. If it was made of water you couldn't drown a mosquito.

What? You spend all your waking hours "studying" 9/11 and you don't even know your own links? What kind of twoofer are you?

So when did you get banned from JREF?

 

[eots]

Shouldn't our tax-exempt "Public Safety Guardian" give us the truth?


Message from Kevin

By all accounts, the unprecedented events of September 11th, 2001 “changed everything”. It is therefore critical that conscientious Americans, as well as all good people around the world, understand these events in detail. Unfortunately the official reports, including The 9/11 Commission Report and the NIST WTC Report, written by those working under the direction of the Bush Administration, fall far short of providing the explanations needed.

Both the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) and my former employer, Underwriters Laboratories (UL), seem to have taken the stance that the public does not have a right to know what fire resistance tests were performed on the steel component assemblies used to build the World Trade Center (WTC) towers. But since NIST’s latest story for collapse of the WTC towers depends on the fire-induced failure of these steel components, there is little information that could be more important at this time.

When I worked there, top management at UL made clear to me that UL performed these required tests. They have since stated that there is “no evidence” that any firm tested the steel. Being tax-exempt, due to their status as a public safety-testing organization, UL should be held accountable for being honest and open with the public about the history of their testing.
To help ensure this accountability, my attorneys and have been pursuing legal actions against UL. We hope to gain more information about UL’s role in the testing of the WTC steel assemblies, and any other involvement UL has had with the WTC towers or the NIST investigation. We welcome any information or other support from the public as we attempt to provide this critical public service.

Thanks for your help. Kevin Ryan

Legal Defense Fund for Kevin Ryan

 

[Fizz]

I looked up what Col Nelson said about one tail number and I didn't see where it was still in service but I did find this:

http://www.airframes.org/reg/n591ua

That link points out there is no official ntsb record for it so I looked for that and got this:

FBI Refuses To Confirm Identity Of 9/11 Planes


Does anyone know of full reports for the 4 flights?

just looking at the tail number quickly makes me guess that it is perhaps a virtual tail number.

N591UA for united airlines??

i will look later for the actual tail numbers of the 4 aircraft.

have a nice christmas.

apparently it is the actual tail number and not a virtual number as i stated earlier. picture is here:
Photos: Boeing 757-222 Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net

 

[CurveLight]

Aren't you the foiler who linked to Kevin Ryan, a noted liar who was fired from his job for misrepresenting his company?

A simple "yes" would have sufficed. As for ryan, I don't know what link you are talking about and I don't know who that person is, but calling me a "foiler" sure reveals the depths of your knowledge. If it was made of water you couldn't drown a mosquito.

What? You spend all your waking hours "studying" 9/11 and you don't even know your own links? What kind of twoofer are you?

So when did you get banned from JREF?

Put down grandma's eggnog you dumbass. You don't have to be a math teacher to know how to add 2+2 just as you don't need to be a 9E junkie to know the source of the truth movement. Can you show what post I linked about ryan? Who is that and what is jref?

 

[Toro]

A simple "yes" would have sufficed. As for ryan, I don't know what link you are talking about and I don't know who that person is, but calling me a "foiler" sure reveals the depths of your knowledge. If it was made of water you couldn't drown a mosquito.

What? You spend all your waking hours "studying" 9/11 and you don't even know your own links? What kind of twoofer are you?

So when did you get banned from JREF?

Put down grandma's eggnog you dumbass. You don't have to be a math teacher to know how to add 2+2 just as you don't need to be a 9E junkie to know the source of the truth movement. Can you show what post I linked about ryan? Who is that and what is jref?

http://www.usmessageboard.com/consp...no-plane-hit-the-pentagon-12.html#post1837542

And more on your "expert"

Kevin R. Ryan Terminated at Underwriters Laboratories: Area Man Stirs Debate on WTC Collapse: South Bend firm's lab director fired after questioning federal probe JOHN DOBBERSTEIN / South Bend Tribune 22nov04

 

[Fizz]

I call you agent fizz because of you ATTA story stupid..and why are you lying again ?

so which is more moronic? calling me an agent because i am on a message board and am not a paranoid lunatic or calling me an agent because i saw someone in a bar in the philippines?

 

[CurveLight]

What? You spend all your waking hours "studying" 9/11 and you don't even know your own links? What kind of twoofer are you?

So when did you get banned from JREF?

Put down grandma's eggnog you dumbass. You don't have to be a math teacher to know how to add 2+2 just as you don't need to be a 9E junkie to know the source of the truth movement. Can you show what post I linked about ryan? Who is that and what is jref?

http://www.usmessageboard.com/consp...no-plane-hit-the-pentagon-12.html#post1837542

And more on your "expert"

Kevin R. Ryan Terminated at Underwriters Laboratories: Area Man Stirs Debate on WTC Collapse: South Bend firm's lab director fired after questioning federal probe JOHN DOBBERSTEIN / South Bend Tribune 22nov04

So what info was a lie? I didn't say ryan was an expert as I simply pointed out some of the silliness about the purdue animation. As for the wtc....are you that desperate to obfuscate? Lol. What else you got?