Working to cope with climate change

[flacaltenn]

99.9999% of all the species that have ever lived on earth are extinct. Since you claim that species are going extinct at a rate 100 times normal, tell me if you can which species have gone extinct in the past 25 years? 50 years? 100 years? And the reason they have gone extinct.

You just gobble up whatever pap the envirowackos are offering, don't you?

Summary Statistics

That is a list of threatened species, not extinct ones dimwit.

Actually I won't intellectually satisfied unless I see little toe-tags saying "Killed by Man-Made Climate Change"..

 

[Trakar]

99.9999% of all the species that have ever lived on earth are extinct. Since you claim that species are going extinct at a rate 100 times normal, tell me if you can which species have gone extinct in the past 25 years? 50 years? 100 years? And the reason they have gone extinct.

You just gobble up whatever pap the envirowackos are offering, don't you?

Summary Statistics

That is a list of threatened species, not extinct ones dimwit.

My apologies, this was link to the site, I had assumed that everyone here was internet competent enough to explore the site and locate the link on this mainpage that referre to the individual lists of extinctions since the last list issued. I see my assumptions were overly generous in their assessments of competency.

try - http://www.iucnredlist.org/documents/summarystatistics/2011_2_RL_Stats_Table6a.pdf

http://www.iucnredlist.org/documents/summarystatistics/2011_2_RL_Stats_Table6b.pdf

 

[saveliberty]

My apologies, this was link to the site, I had assumed that everyone here was internet competent enough to explore the site and locate the link on this mainpage that referre to the individual lists of extinctions since the last list issued. I see my assumptions were overly generous in their assessments of competency.

try - http://www.iucnredlist.org/documents/summarystatistics/2011_2_RL_Stats_Table6a.pdf

http://www.iucnredlist.org/documents/summarystatistics/2011_2_RL_Stats_Table6b.pdf

Your screw up and excuses are dually noted.

 

[bobgnote]

Here's some more dead fish, this time in Japan:

Massive fish kill outside Tokyo in Chiba — “The sight is somewhat apocalyptic” — “Almost looks like a carpet of sardines” (PHOTOS)

"There are tons and tons of dead sardines washing up on the shore [at the fishing port of Ohara in Isumi City of Chiba Prefecture]

. . . the port looks completely filled with fish – it almost looks like a carpet of sardines. It doesn’t seem likely that any fishing boats will be setting sail from this port soon. There are also, of course, the usual posts and comments on the internet on how this could be an omen, a sign of a coming great natural disaster."

The exact cause of this die-off is undetermined.

 

[Intense]

Don't see much outrage over salt lakes drying up do you?

How long have they been drying up again?

 

[Intense]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZzKUt4OtE8]In A Yugo - Paul Shanklin - YouTube[/ame]
In A Yugo - Paul Shanklin

 

[Old Rocks]

You live in a berm-house, up today's tornado-alley and affected areas, or you will can get spun over to Oz in a NY-second.

Today's tornado alley and affected areas? You really are the major league dupe aren't you. Here, have some published, peer reviewed papers that put that lie to bed.

AMS Journals Online - Normalized Damage from Major Tornadoes in the United States: 1890–1999

AMS Journals Online - Deaths in the 3 May 1999 Oklahoma City Tornado from a Historical Perspective

Does Global Warming Influence Tornado Activity?

You live in a submarine, in NOLA, which will be the first US city, to go under water and stay there, in our lifetime. Then go parts of NYC, SF, LA, Miami, etc.

You believe in all the boogie men don't you. What a rube. How long has photography been around? Have you ever looked at very old photos of well known coastal areas? Ever notice that sea level in the 1800s looks like sea level today? Ever look at any early maps of coastal areas? Ever notice that if you compare those maps to modern maps they look very much alike? Sea level rise is not any more a matter of concern today than it has ever been.

You need to notice how species are going extinct, at a rate exceeding 100 times normal, headed for 1000 times normal, and die-offs are happening, at an alarming rate, 2012. Oceanic acidification can take out the food chain. Even the air-conditioned with their heads up each others butts will notice, when food chains fail.

99.9999% of all the species that have ever lived on earth are extinct. Since you claim that species are going extinct at a rate 100 times normal, tell me if you can which species have gone extinct in the past 25 years? 50 years? 100 years? And the reason they have gone extinct.

You just gobble up whatever pap the envirowackos are offering, don't you?

Now just why do you thing ol' Bent did not include years past 2000?

Tornadoes of 2011 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This page documents the tornadoes and tornado outbreaks of 2011. Extremely destructive tornadoes form most frequently in the U.S., Bangladesh and Eastern India, but they can occur almost anywhere under the right conditions. Tornadoes also appear regularly in neighboring southern Canada during the Northern Hemisphere's summer season, and somewhat regularly in Europe, Asia, and Australia.

There were 1,897 tornadoes reported in the US in 2011 (of which 1,704 were confirmed). 2011 was an exceptionally destructive and deadly year for tornadoes; worldwide, at least 577 people perished due to tornadoes: 12 in Bangladesh, two in South Africa, one in New Zealand, one in the Philippines, one in Russia, one in Canada, and an estimated 553 in the United States (compared to 564 US deaths in the prior ten years combined).[2] Due mostly to several extremely large tornado outbreaks in the middle and end of April and in late May, the year finished well above average in almost every category, with six EF5 tornadoes and nearly enough total tornado reports to eclipse the mark of 1,817 tornadoes recorded in in 2004, the current record year for total number of tornadoes.

553 confirmed fatalities is also the second-most tornadic deaths in a single year for tornadoes in US history. This total is due in large part to the 325 tornadic deaths that occurred during the April 25–28, 2011 tornado outbreak across the Southeastern United States and the 160 tornadic deaths in the 2011 Joplin tornado.[3]

 

[Old Rocks]

Summary Statistics

That is a list of threatened species, not extinct ones dimwit.

My apologies, this was link to the site, I had assumed that everyone here was internet competent enough to explore the site and locate the link on this mainpage that referre to the individual lists of extinctions since the last list issued. I see my assumptions were overly generous in their assessments of competency.

try - http://www.iucnredlist.org/documents/summarystatistics/2011_2_RL_Stats_Table6a.pdf

http://www.iucnredlist.org/documents/summarystatistics/2011_2_RL_Stats_Table6b.pdf

Now Traker, you do have to remember what you are dealing with here. Spoon feed, and not to much at once.

 

[Old Rocks]

Ah yes. Brain dead cultists. All of the Scientific Societies in the world, all of the National Academies of Science, and all of the major Universities in the world are brain dead cultists. Only you people in your little tin foil hats have avoided the damaging brain waves. We understand perfectly.

Now take the pretty little pills the nice nurse has for you, and go back to your rubber room.

And with all that clout one would think that you could produce at least one piece of hard, observable, repeatable evidence linking the activities of man and the changing global climate. Considering that you can't, if you had any critical thinking skills at all you might begin to wonder why.

Oh my. Thousands of papers showing evidence of climate change from all over the world, from scientists from almost every country in the world. But an anonamous internet poster just knows so much more than all of them that we should accept his yap-yap with no evidence presented at all.

AGW Observer

National Climate Change

•U.S. average temperature has risen more than 2°F over the past 50 years and is projected to rise more in the future; how much more depends primarily on the amount of heat-trapping gases emitted globally and how sensitive the climate is to those emissions.
•Precipitation has increased an average of about 5 percent over the past 50 years. Projections of future precipitation generally indicate that northern areas will become wetter, and southern areas, particularly in the West, will become drier.
•The amount of rain falling in the heaviest downpours has increased approximately 20 percent on average in the past century, and this trend is very likely to continue, with the largest increases in the wettest places.
•Many types of extreme weather events, such as heat waves and regional droughts, have become more frequent and intense during the past 40 to 50 years.
•The destructive energy of Atlantic hurricanes has increased in recent decades. The intensity of these storms is likely to increase in this century.
•In the eastern Pacific, the strongest hurricanes have become stronger since the 1980s, even while the total number of storms has decreased.
•Sea level has risen along most of the U.S. coast over the past 50 years, and will rise more in the future.
•Cold-season storm tracks are shifting northward and the strongest storms are likely to become stronger and more frequent.
•Arctic sea ice is declining rapidly and this is very likely to continue.

 

[westwall]

Ah yes. Brain dead cultists. All of the Scientific Societies in the world, all of the National Academies of Science, and all of the major Universities in the world are brain dead cultists. Only you people in your little tin foil hats have avoided the damaging brain waves. We understand perfectly.

Now take the pretty little pills the nice nurse has for you, and go back to your rubber room.

And with all that clout one would think that you could produce at least one piece of hard, observable, repeatable evidence linking the activities of man and the changing global climate. Considering that you can't, if you had any critical thinking skills at all you might begin to wonder why.

Oh my. Thousands of papers showing evidence of climate change from all over the world, from scientists from almost every country in the world. But an anonamous internet poster just knows so much more than all of them that we should accept his yap-yap with no evidence presented at all.

AGW Observer

National Climate Change

•U.S. average temperature has risen more than 2°F over the past 50 years and is projected to rise more in the future; how much more depends primarily on the amount of heat-trapping gases emitted globally and how sensitive the climate is to those emissions.
•Precipitation has increased an average of about 5 percent over the past 50 years. Projections of future precipitation generally indicate that northern areas will become wetter, and southern areas, particularly in the West, will become drier.
•The amount of rain falling in the heaviest downpours has increased approximately 20 percent on average in the past century, and this trend is very likely to continue, with the largest increases in the wettest places.
•Many types of extreme weather events, such as heat waves and regional droughts, have become more frequent and intense during the past 40 to 50 years.
•The destructive energy of Atlantic hurricanes has increased in recent decades. The intensity of these storms is likely to increase in this century.
•In the eastern Pacific, the strongest hurricanes have become stronger since the 1980s, even while the total number of storms has decreased.
•Sea level has risen along most of the U.S. coast over the past 50 years, and will rise more in the future.
•Cold-season storm tracks are shifting northward and the strongest storms are likely to become stronger and more frequent.
•Arctic sea ice is declining rapidly and this is very likely to continue.

Oh boy, thousands of pal reviewed papers. Big deal. When you have papers on dead polar bears being reviewed by the mans wife color me not impressed by your appeal to authority.

 

[flacaltenn]

Now just why do you thing ol' Bent did not include years past 2000?[/B]

The graph sitting right above that response went out to 2011... Gosh OleRocks are you fracturing under seismic strain or somethin'?

 

[flacaltenn]

Ah yes. Brain dead cultists. All of the Scientific Societies in the world, all of the National Academies of Science, and all of the major Universities in the world are brain dead cultists. Only you people in your little tin foil hats have avoided the damaging brain waves. We understand perfectly.

Now take the pretty little pills the nice nurse has for you, and go back to your rubber room.

And with all that clout one would think that you could produce at least one piece of hard, observable, repeatable evidence linking the activities of man and the changing global climate. Considering that you can't, if you had any critical thinking skills at all you might begin to wonder why.

Oh my. Thousands of papers showing evidence of climate change from all over the world, from scientists from almost every country in the world. But an anonamous internet poster just knows so much more than all of them that we should accept his yap-yap with no evidence presented at all.

AGW Observer

National Climate Change

•U.S. average temperature has risen more than 2°F over the past 50 years and is projected to rise more in the future; how much more depends primarily on the amount of heat-trapping gases emitted globally and how sensitive the climate is to those emissions.
•Precipitation has increased an average of about 5 percent over the past 50 years. Projections of future precipitation generally indicate that northern areas will become wetter, and southern areas, particularly in the West, will become drier.
•The amount of rain falling in the heaviest downpours has increased approximately 20 percent on average in the past century, and this trend is very likely to continue, with the largest increases in the wettest places.
•Many types of extreme weather events, such as heat waves and regional droughts, have become more frequent and intense during the past 40 to 50 years.
•The destructive energy of Atlantic hurricanes has increased in recent decades. The intensity of these storms is likely to increase in this century.
•In the eastern Pacific, the strongest hurricanes have become stronger since the 1980s, even while the total number of storms has decreased.
•Sea level has risen along most of the U.S. coast over the past 50 years, and will rise more in the future.
•Cold-season storm tracks are shifting northward and the strongest storms are likely to become stronger and more frequent.
•Arctic sea ice is declining rapidly and this is very likely to continue.

Can't read, Can't think -- generally dysfunctional I guess.. He asked you for ONE LINK to man-made causes. Not the plot to "The Day After Tomorrow"..

 

[wirebender]

Summary Statistics

I don't see anything there answering the questions I asked about extinctions, and don't see even the first bit of hard evidence of increased extinctions due to climate change there. If you want to look credible, posting links to hand wringing hysterics isn't necessarily the best way to go.

 

[wirebender]

Actually I won't intellectually satisfied unless I see little toe-tags saying "Killed by Man-Made Climate Change"..

That's sort of what I was looking for and I never would have even asked the question had I not already known beforehand that the answer to the question of how many species have been driven to extinction by modern climate change is zero. It is interesting, and f'ing sad to note that our raptors and the raptors across the globe are steadily dwindling due to wind turbines and those who claim to love the earth more than anything are seeking legal loopholes that would allow further reducing their numbers without penalty.

 

[wirebender]

Oh my. Thousands of papers showing evidence of climate change from all over the world, from scientists from almost every country in the world. But an anonamous internet poster just knows so much more than all of them that we should accept his yap-yap with no evidence presented at all.

And not a single one with anything like hard evidence that links the activities of man to the changing climate. The discussion isn't over whether the climate is changing or not rocks, it is over whether we are responsible and to date, not a shred of hard evidence can be provided that lays the blame on us.

Hell, you don't even know what the discussion is about.

•Sea level has risen along most of the U.S. coast over the past 50 years, and will rise more in the future.

This one is priceless and brings your gullibility into sharp relief. Here rocks, have a look at what 140 years of dangerous sea level rise looks like in La jolla, California. You are such a gullible putz.

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[bobgnote]

Now just why do you thing ol' Bent did not include years past 2000?[/B]

The graph sitting right above that response went out to 2011... Gosh OleRocks are you fracturing under seismic strain or somethin'?

Tornado data is still blowing in, for 2012, Fatfuck.

 

[Trakar]

This one is priceless and brings your gullibility into sharp relief. Here rocks, have a look at what 140 years of dangerous sea level rise looks like in La jolla, California. You are such a gullible putz.

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How can we be assured that these were taken at precisely the same tide phase?

 

[Trakar]

Summary Statistics

I don't see anything there answering the questions I asked about extinctions, and don't see even the first bit of hard evidence of increased extinctions due to climate change there. If you want to look credible, posting links to hand wringing hysterics isn't necessarily the best way to go.

The question asked, which this was intended to respond to was:

...tell me if you can which species have gone extinct in the past 25 years?...

 

[bobgnote]

Actually I won't intellectually satisfied unless I see little toe-tags saying "Killed by Man-Made Climate Change"..

That's sort of what I was looking for and I never would have even asked the question had I not already known beforehand that the answer to the question of how many species have been driven to extinction by modern climate change is zero. It is interesting, and f'ing sad to note that our raptors and the raptors across the globe are steadily dwindling due to wind turbines and those who claim to love the earth more than anything are seeking legal loopholes that would allow further reducing their numbers without penalty.

Let's look at the cool graph Fatass loaded, showing 450,000 years of CO2 and temperature fluctuations, plotted on top of each other, so anybody can see the CO2 levels out both peaks and troughs, of warming and cooling trends, by forcing activity.

Take a look at the last 180 years or so, of CO2 measurements. We are due, for another drop in CO2, which usually drops, after it levels off, at about 280 ppm. But not after the 18th Century, when the industrial revolution happened. The red line shoots up, to 400 ppm CO2, which can only be attributed to human defoliation and emissions:

Extinctions are difficult to review because the non-anthropogenic extinctions are difficult to calculate, but the science is reviewable:

Background extinction rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Background extinction rates are typically measured three different ways. The first is simply the number of species that normally go extinct over a given period of time. For example, at the background rate one species of bird will go extinct every estimated 400 years.[5] Another way the extinction rate can be given is in million species years (MSY). For example, there is approximately one extinction estimated per million species years.[6] From a purely mathematical standpoint this means that if there are a million species on the planet earth, one would go extinct every year, while if there was only one species it would go extinct in one million years, etc. The third way is in giving species survival rates over time. For example, given normal extinction rates species typically exist for 5–10 million years before going extinct.[7]

Extinctions are way above any sensible rate, and therefore, die-offs and extinctions are to be noticed, as significant, anyway:

Has the Earth

With the steep decline in populations of many animal species, from frogs and fish to tigers, some scientists have warned that Earth is on the brink of a mass extinction like those that occurred only five times before during the past 540 million years.

Each of these ‘Big Five’ saw three-quarters or more of all animal species go extinct.

In a study to be published in the March 3 issue of the journal Nature, University of California, Berkeley, paleobiologists assess where mammals and other species stand today in terms of possible extinction, compared with the past 540 million years, and they find cause for hope as well as alarm.

“If you look only at the critically endangered mammals – those where the risk of extinction is at least 50 percent within three of their generations – and assume that their time will run out, and they will be extinct in 1,000 years, that puts us clearly outside any range of normal, and tells us that we are moving into the mass extinction realm,” said principal author Anthony D. Barnosky, UC Berkeley professor of integrative biology, a curator in the Museum of Paleontology and a research paleontologist in the Museum of Vertebrate Zoology.

“If currently threatened species – those officially classed as critically endangered, endangered and vulnerable – actually went extinct, and that rate of extinction continued, the sixth mass extinction could arrive within as little as 3 to 22 centuries,” he said.

Nevertheless, Barnosky added, it’s not too late to save these critically endangered mammals and other such species and stop short of the tipping point. That would require dealing with a perfect storm of threats, including habitat fragmentation, invasive species, disease and global warming,

“So far, only 1 to 2 percent of all species have gone extinct in the groups we can look at clearly, so by those numbers, it looks like we are not far down the road to extinction. We still have a lot of Earth’s biota to save,” Barnosky said. “It’s very important to devote resources and legislation toward species conservation if we don’t want to be the species whose activity caused a mass extinction.”

Coauthor Charles Marshall, UC Berkeley professor of integrative biology and director of the campus’s Museum of Paleontology, emphasized that the small number of recorded extinctions to date does not mean we are not in a crisis.

“Just because the magnitude is low compared to the biggest mass extinctions we’ve seen in a half a billion years doesn’t mean to say that they aren’t significant,” he said. “Even though the magnitude is fairly low, present rates are higher than during most past mass extinctions.”

“The modern global mass extinction is a largely unaddressed hazard of climate change and human activities,” said H. Richard Lane, program director in the National Science Foundation’s Division of Earth Sciences, which funded the research. “Its continued progression, as this paper shows, could result in unforeseen – and irreversible – negative consequences to the environment and to humanity.”

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As usual, the good information ended up in Nature Magazine, March 3, 2012. Here is a June 2012 article:

TLC Home "The Sixth Extinction is Underway: Are You Worried Yet?"

"There is a holocaust happening. Right now," writes Jeff Corwin, author of 100 Heartbeats, in the Los Angeles Times. "And it's not confined to one nation or even one region. It is a global crisis. Species are going extinct en masse." Corwin goes on to explain:
"Every 20 minutes we lose an animal species. If this rate continues, by century's end, 50% of all living species will be gone. It is a phenomenon known as the sixth extinction. The fifth extinction took place 65 million years ago when a meteor smashed into the Earth, killing off the dinosaurs and many other species and opening the door for the rise of mammals. Currently, the sixth extinction is on track to dwarf the fifth."

"Whether they're big or small, extinctions change the world," writes Tracy V. Wilson at HowStuffWorks.com, before adding that the background rate of extinction is somewhere between one and five species per year. Today, however, "the extinction rate appears to be anywhere from 100 to 1,000 times greater than that."

"The causes of this mass die-off are many: overpopulation, loss of habitat, global warming, species exploitation (the black market for rare animal parts is the third-largest illegal trade in the world, outranked only by weapons and drugs)," writes Corwin. "The list goes on, but it all points to us."

Once again, we're the bad guys; but so what?

Extinction is more than just dinosaurs and dodos. Every species plays its role in the delicate balance of our eco-system. Lose one and well, let's just say the slope gets mighty slippery. So if you're not losing sleep over the sixth extinction, let's talk about honeybees. We may not give honeybees much thought but a fair portion of our food relies on them (specifically commercial honeybees) at the critical early stages of its development. This is why the sudden disappearance of honeybees, a.k.a. Colony Collapse Disorder (CCD), is all the more alarming. Jasmin Malik Chua at TreeHugger.com tells us: "The bee losses are especially distressing in light of a study last year that concluded that pollinators such as bees, birds and bats affect 35 percent of the world's crop production, increasing the output of 87 of the leading food crops worldwide."

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Earth Is A Planet In Crisis Conservationists Claim As Wildlife Numbers Fall And Consumption Rises | World News | Sky News

Earth is a planet in crisis with wildlife populations declining by more than 30% in the past four decades, conservationists claim.

A new report examined how more than 9,000 populations of mammals, birds, reptiles and amphibians and fish are faring.

It comes in the face of record over-consumption of natural resources with serious implications for human health, wealth and well-being.

Freshwater creatures in the tropics have seen the worst declines, of around 70%, while tropical species as a whole have seen populations tumble by 60% since 1970.
In Asia, tiger numbers have fallen 70% in just 30 years.

Wildlife is under pressure from ever-growing human demand for resources, the study by WWF, the latest Living Planet report from the Zoological Society of London (ZSL) and the Global Footprint Network said.

And research into demand for water revealed 2.7bn people live in areas that suffer severe water shortages for at least one month of the year.

People are exploiting resources such as water, forests and fisheries and putting greenhouse gas emissions into the atmosphere at a much higher rate than they can be replenished and pollution absorbed.

The "ecological footprint" of human activity was 50% higher than the capacity of the Earth's land and oceans in 2008, the most recent year for which figures are available, with people living as though we have a planet and a half to sustain us.

Rising population and consumption means that by 2030, two planets will not be enough to meet human demand, threatening the resources including food, freshwater and a stable climate that people need to survive, the report said.

WWF-UK's chief executive David Nussbaum said the underlying cause of declines in nature was the rate of human consumption.

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There you have it. In the last 200 years, CO2 took an unscheduled jump, way up, to 400 ppm, when it was on schedule, from the last four trends, to move down, to the trough equilibrium, but humans were multiplying, polluting, and defoliating, a whole wicked lot. The cumulative human impact is killing species, and the recent die-offs we see are from a human-affected environment, which is fucking up, in tune with recent egregious human interventions.

Yeah, some of the die-offs will be from algae, not pollution, directly. Yeah, humans don't issue all the CO2. But humans cut or burned the forests, which burn faster, when polluted by human-caused acids. Cop to it, people. You are responsible, for damage done, by previous generations. We need to re-green.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Tornado data is still blowing in, for 2012, Fatfuck.

Well, you've got it all figured out, bugnuts. There were no tornadoes before 2012. Conservatives caused them with carbon sins and questioning Obamacare....