Words are cheap, Jane Fonda

[Sallow]

Cause I feel it my responsibility to my fellow Americans to point out the most stupid ones.

Well, let's see if I can add to your exiguous store of knowledge.

The traitor not only spit in the face of American soldiers, but refused to take any responsiblity for the millions of Asians killed by the communists that she supported........refused to do as little as sign Joan Baez's open letter:

1. In 1979, Humanitas, the organization of anti-war activist Joan Baez, purchased a newspaper ad that ran in five large circulation dailies, called “An Open Letter to the Socialist Republic of Vietnam,” which ran in part: “Thousands of innocent Vietnamese, many of whose only “crimes” are those of conscience, are being arrested, detained and tortured in prison and re-education camps… The jails are overflowing with thousands upon thousands of “detainees”… People disappear and never return… People are used as human mine detectors, clearing live mine fields with their hands and feet. For many, life is hell and death is prayed for. With tragic irony, the cruelty, violence and oppression practiced by foreign powers in your country for more than a century continue today under the present regime.

It was an abiding commitment to fundamental principles of human dignity, freedom and self-determination that motivated so many Americans to oppose the government of South Vietnam and our country's participation in the war. It is that same commitment that compels us to speak out against your brutal disregard of human rights. As in the 60s, we raise our voices now so that your people may live. And a Voice to Sing With -- A Memoir, by Joan Baez


2. Baez mailed the letter to 350 anti-war activists. Among those who refused to sign was Jane Fonda. “Your name would mean much more than any other,” she told Fonda, in a long letter. Fonda wrote that the add would lend credence to those who believe “that Communism is worse than death…” Washington Post, Lynn Darling, “Joan Baez at 38,” June 29, 1979

Millions of people from Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos were killed by the American invasion and illegal secret bombings.

You really should get your history straight.

 

[R.D.]

Get a life! WTF care about what jane Fonda says?

People who shop QVC.

And of course Hanoi Jane

 

[JakeStarkey]

Hey Jake. A hey and hello. I had two best friends serving in nam at the time when that douche bag went over and cheered the north on. Empowered the north. fucking barbarella. her only claim to fame is she was the daughter of an excellent actor.

Fuck you. And I still hope that monster who calls herself a patriot fucking dies the most horrible death for the shit she did.

You want to forgive her? By all means, that is what you can do. But for me, I hope she rots in hell.

Such a tiny damaged soul you have, tinydancer. Five guys from high school died there. At least another ten were wounded or injured. None of us hate Jane Fonda. You folks who weren't there have no moral legitimacy to hate. Leave it to the vets from then to make the choice.

And who are you to tell us what is "moral"? Everyone in the USA is free to express their opinion about anyone and anything.

Fascist Jack Fate would tell us what is moral? Fascist Jack Fate? I said above people have a right to their opinions. To suggest I don't is another of your lies. Fascist Jack Fate, many of your opinions are immoral, and I have the right in a free country I don't want fascists like you setting any kind of standard.

 

[José]

Originally posted by Political Chic
take any responsiblity for the millions of Asians killed by the communists that she supported....

Liar...

Show us any evidence that the vietnamese national liberation movement "killed millions of asians".

They were so bloodthirsty that they even toppled the REAL genocidal regime that took over Cambodia.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Originally posted by Political Chic
take any responsiblity for the millions of Asians killed by the communists that she supported....

Liar...

Show us any evidence that the vietnamese national liberation movement "killed millions of asians".

They were so bloodthirsty that they even toppled the REAL genocidal regime that took over Cambodia.

My friend Political Chic's ability to misconstrue history remains troubling as well as amazing. No one questions that the NV communists opposed French, Japanese, and American imperialism. No one questions that as communists, similar to the fascists of the totalitarian right, committed awful acts against the people. But killed "millions"? No.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Originally posted by Political Chic
take any responsiblity for the millions of Asians killed by the communists that she supported....

Liar...

Show us any evidence that the vietnamese national liberation movement "killed millions of asians".

They were so bloodthirsty that they even toppled the REAL genocidal regime that took over Cambodia.

1. As soon as one begins with "Liar..." they reveal the abject ignorance of the Left.

2. The use of the literary device "us," as though they spoke for masses of folks, reveals the lonliness of the ignorant.

3. In the scholarly “The Black Book of Communism,” Stephane Courtois, et. al. calculate (p. 572) that the Communists immediately shipped between 200,000 and a million to ‘reeducation camps’ out of a population of 20 million. Execution numbered about 65,000 not counting those who died slowly in the camps.

a. The new Communist Vietnam caused hundreds of thousands of ordinary people to flee their homes, with over 800,000 taking to the high seas in tiny boats. Commentary magazine, “Who Won Vietnam?”, May 1994.

4. Starting in April ’75, the Communist Khmer Rouge defeated Lon Nol in Cambodia. Democrats, starting with the 1974 budget, refused to allocate another penny, and forbade US military action “in or over” Indochina. Just as the right had warned, the communists began a systematic war on the entire populations of their nation, so savage, it is hard to comprehend. It is estimated that the number of dead numbered between 1.7 to 2.5 million out of a population of around 8 million. The Killing Fields - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

a. Frequently found in totalitarian death cults, the Khmer Rouge cadres were mostly teenagers, some as young as ten or twelve, produced by cruelty and indoctrination. Consistent with other communist conquests, the Khmer Rouge began the massive and grotesque project of remaking society from scratch. They began by emptying the cities: every single person in Phnom Penh- including the lame, hospital patients on intravenous drips, the sick and the elderly, mothers who had just given birth, the pregnant, and infants, - everyone was forced to march. Khmer Rouge rule of Cambodia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


So let's review:
1. Between the two of us, I am not the "liar.'

2. Between the two of us, I am not the one whose IQ falls way way to the left on the bell curve.

3. Between the two of us, I am not the one who tries to hide ignorance behind words like "us" or "we."
I simply provide the actual evidence.

4. As per your request, I have provided the indicia that the vietnamese national liberation movement "killed millions of asians".
Now is the time for you to genuflect.


5. Rarely has a post exposed atavism as clearly as yours has! Wouldn’t you be more comfortable on all fours?

 

[PoliticalChic]

I'd point out how my post destroys Jakey's post....but then, everybody's
posts do.

 

[blastoff]

Couldn't happen to a nicer bitch.

 

[Sallow]

Cool.

And this should put to rest complaints when similar tactics are used to shut down right wing blowhards. It ain't freedom of speech when advertisers are paying for it.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Cool.

And this should put to rest complaints when similar tactics are used to shut down right wing blowhards. It ain't freedom of speech when advertisers are paying for it.

I realize that you have trouble comprehending subtilty...but consider this. It seems that the QVC folks were not prompted by a movement, such as Media Matters, or a Soros front....
they were individual Americans with a perspective.

"Fonda does herself a disservice by immediately blaming "well-funded and organized political extremist groups" -- she doesn't know where the calls came from, and was surprised by the cancellation."
Jane Fonda's QVC appearance pulled over Vietnam, she says - latimes.com

 

[uscitizen]

Amazing how an atheist Nam combat vet that never wanted to go to war or hurt anyone can understand and forgive but those christians who have never been in combat in nam cannot?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Amazing how an atheist Nam combat vet that never wanted to go to war or hurt anyone can understand and forgive but those christians who have never been in combat in nam cannot?

Very simple, and has little to do with religious perspective: I choose not to forgive those who give aid and comfort to those who would kill my brothers and sisters.


And, before you ask, I gave up any expectation of canonization long ago.

 

[Sallow]

Originally posted by Political Chic
take any responsiblity for the millions of Asians killed by the communists that she supported....

Liar...

Show us any evidence that the vietnamese national liberation movement "killed millions of asians".

They were so bloodthirsty that they even toppled the REAL genocidal regime that took over Cambodia.

Like I said. She's not really up on history. Shortly after the Americans left..China tried to "Annex" Vietnam and got their asses roundly kicked. Then, after seeing the devastation wrought by the Khmer Rouge..who Nixon SUPPORTED for a short time..they toppled them. THEN..they opened up trade relations with the United States..allowing all sorts of groups to come in to look for POWs.

She's a hack.

And not a very good hack at that.

 

[R.D.]

Amazing how an atheist Nam combat vet that never wanted to go to war or hurt anyone can understand and forgive but those christians who have never been in combat in nam cannot?

I don't think she wants or cares about your forgiveness, not to take away how wonderful you are.

She wants you to buy her stuff

 

[PoliticalChic]

Originally posted by Political Chic
take any responsiblity for the millions of Asians killed by the communists that she supported....

Liar...

Show us any evidence that the vietnamese national liberation movement "killed millions of asians".

They were so bloodthirsty that they even toppled the REAL genocidal regime that took over Cambodia.

Like I said. She's not really up on history. Shortly after the Americans left..China tried to "Annex" Vietnam and got their asses roundly kicked. Then, after seeing the devastation wrought by the Khmer Rouge..who Nixon SUPPORTED for a short time..they toppled them. THEN..they opened up trade relations with the United States..allowing all sorts of groups to come in to look for POWs.

She's a hack.

And not a very good hack at that.

It's "As I said," not "Like I said."

Dunce.

I can't think of who it is you remind me of......
......oh, yeah....the bacterium that causes enteritis.

 

[JakeStarkey]

I'd point out how my post destroys Jakey's post....but then, everybody's posts do.

Silly sophomoric PoliticalChic caught in the web of her master's values instead of developing her own. Other than being a true follower, PC has some nice qualities. Effective writing is not among them.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Amazing how an atheist Nam combat vet that never wanted to go to war or hurt anyone can understand and forgive but those christians who have never been in combat in nam cannot?

I don't think she wants or cares about your forgiveness, not to take away how wonderful you are.

She wants you to buy her stuff

You could be right, but I doubt that is only about selling stuff.

 

[Sallow]

Liar...

Show us any evidence that the vietnamese national liberation movement "killed millions of asians".

They were so bloodthirsty that they even toppled the REAL genocidal regime that took over Cambodia.

Like I said. She's not really up on history. Shortly after the Americans left..China tried to "Annex" Vietnam and got their asses roundly kicked. Then, after seeing the devastation wrought by the Khmer Rouge..who Nixon SUPPORTED for a short time..they toppled them. THEN..they opened up trade relations with the United States..allowing all sorts of groups to come in to look for POWs.

She's a hack.

And not a very good hack at that.

It's "As I said," not "Like I said."

Dunce.

I can't think of who it is you remind me of......
......oh, yeah....the bacterium that causes enteritis.

Like I said..

Like..

Like..you're a hack.

Like..and not a very good one at..like..that.

Like it?

 

[Patrick2]

I shake my head in disbelief when I read threads like this.

The real question people should be asking is whether the vietnamese people will someday forgive France and America for turning their country into a pile of rubble and killing 1 million vietnamese and here we have a bunch of mentally retarded super patriotic american clowns crucifying a woman that at least tried to do something to stop the massacre.

When the communists took over, they did the massacring - like 5 million in cambodia.

 

[R.D.]

Amazing how an atheist Nam combat vet that never wanted to go to war or hurt anyone can understand and forgive but those christians who have never been in combat in nam cannot?

I don't think she wants or cares about your forgiveness, not to take away how wonderful you are.

She wants you to buy her stuff

You could be right, but I doubt that is only about selling stuff.

A few years ago when shilling her autobiography she preteneded to apologize.

Now QVC cancelled her segment and she accuses them and their viewers - "I am, to say the least, deeply disappointed that QVC caved to this kind of insane pressure by some well funded and organized political extremist groups "

It's all business for her.