Will Immigration Cause the GOP To Implode?

[OCA]

You know i'd like to know, since most of you are harping on Republicans for this "supposed failure" on immigration, how many of you will still be voting for this same Republican party come the congressional and presidential elections? This same Republican party who time and time again to where you need a thousand pairs of hands to count sells you down the river like a two dollar whore.

I say screw both parties, time for a change since neither obviously gives a rats ass about this country.

 

[theim]

No shit aye.

I don't know WHY the INS hasn't taken advantage of having so many illegals in one place at one time and rounded them up. When will they ever have such an opportunity again?

Seriously. They're always bitching about how hard it would be to arrest them all. Just get a couple paddy wagons in there!

 

[theim]

As hard as that may be to admit, I think it's the truth.

The people in the border states want the borders shut down, NOW. And they could just be the swing vote for whoever it is in '08 running for President.

I WILL NOT vote for ANYONE for President, that doesn't say, "the borders will be sealed". I'll either write a vote in, or not vote at all.

The mexicans are invading our coutry, and we're just standing by and watching while it happens. And we have a President that wants to reward them for their invasion. What a SICKENING situation.

You know i'd like to know, since most of you are harping on Republicans for this "supposed failure" on immigration, how many of you will still be voting for this same Republican party come the congressional and presidential elections? This same Republican party who time and time again to where you need a thousand pairs of hands to count sells you down the river like a two dollar whore.

I say screw both parties, time for a change since neither obviously gives a rats ass about this country.

Ladies and gentlemen of the USMB Zoological Society, I present you with these common specimens of Conservatus Gullibilis. Observed alone in his natural habitat, Gullibilis is a stout-hearted and dependable member of the genus Conservatae. But observe their curious habits when their territory is intruded upon by Liberalis Opportunisticus. Normally a pack of Conservatae is only bothered in a minor way by Opportunisticus. However, when Opportunisticus lands a rare bite, or when the pack falters even a little bit, Gullibilis will immediately abandon the pack to be ravaged by Opportunisticus and other members of the genus Liberalis. Gullibilis sees it's stumbling brethren as worthless, unreformable and not worthy of aid. Curiously, it will refuse to aid the rest of the pack even to the point of letting the pack be destroyed, and losing all of it's territory to Liberalis. It is believed that Gullibilis thinks it is capable of fighting an entire pack of Liberalis all on it's own, and that it actually thinks it can hold its territory without the rest of the Conservatae. Truly marvelous and curious creatures.

 

[5stringJeff]

Good post theim!!!

It's all about fixing the party from within. Vote for and support those Republican candidates who vote your way on issues. I've given plenty of money to conservative Republicans running against RINOs. That's how you weed the RINOs out.

 

[OCA]

Ladies and gentlemen of the USMB Zoological Society, I present you with these common specimens of Conservatus Gullibilis. Observed alone in his natural habitat, Gullibilis is a stout-hearted and dependable member of the genus Conservatae. But observe their curious habits when their territory is intruded upon by Liberalis Opportunisticus. Normally a pack of Conservatae is only bothered in a minor way by Opportunisticus. However, when Opportunisticus lands a rare bite, or when the pack falters even a little bit, Gullibilis will immediately abandon the pack to be ravaged by Opportunisticus and other members of the genus Liberalis. Gullibilis sees it's stumbling brethren as worthless, unreformable and not worthy of aid. Curiously, it will refuse to aid the rest of the pack even to the point of letting the pack be destroyed, and losing all of it's territory to Liberalis. It is believed that Gullibilis thinks it is capable of fighting an entire pack of Liberalis all on it's own, and that it actually thinks it can hold its territory without the rest of the Conservatae. Truly marvelous and curious creatures.

So one can safely assume that you will continue to take it from behind from Republicans and say 'thank you sir, may I have another?"

Lol the gullibility is simply amaziiiiiiiiing!

Its simply a matter of time after time of Republicans running as conservatives and governing as centrists and in some instances liberals. Its right there in front of your face displayed the last 6 years for all to see, you either take it or you change it. I for one do not believe that the Republican powers to be want to change or even entertain ideas to change. The time has come for a third party to rule.

 

[OCA]

Good post theim!!!

It's all about fixing the party from within. Vote for and support those Republican candidates who vote your way on issues. I've given plenty of money to conservative Republicans running against RINOs. That's how you weed the RINOs out.

So Jeff who are these conservative Republicans? Oh you may name 3 or 4 mavericks but lets face it, any Republican with any power has not acted conservatively in any manner whatsoever. I mean look who's being positioned as the front runner for '08, McCain, and whether its the media doing it or whoever the reality is he will probably be nominated. Now after all his collusion with Demos lately how can this man be supported, cause he is hardly a conservative, assuming he actually is nominated and assuming you would support the Republican nominee whoever it is in a general election.

In 2000 I wanted to vote for Buchannan in the primaries but went along with the dumbass notion that I would be throwing my vote away if I didn't support Bush, what a fool I was! Zero action from this man socially which is my number 1 concern plus he's never saw a check he doesn't like to sign. Went to war in Iraq which I support to this day except only he controls the joystick from the oval office and has failed the troops on the ground miserably by not letting the generals fight war like it was meant to be fought and not the nation building crap he's currently mired in while the boys get picked off like ducks on the pond.

Basically he's way short of a conservative and quite possibly a failure as president in my humble opinion.

 

[5stringJeff]

So Jeff who are these conservative Republicans? Oh you may name 3 or 4 mavericks but lets face it, any Republican with any power has not acted conservatively in any manner whatsoever. I mean look who's being positioned as the front runner for '08, McCain, and whether its the media doing it or whoever the reality is he will probably be nominated. Now after all his collusion with Demos lately how can this man be supported, cause he is hardly a conservative, assuming he actually is nominated and assuming you would support the Republican nominee whoever it is in a general election.

In 2000 I wanted to vote for Buchannan in the primaries but went along with the dumbass notion that I would be throwing my vote away if I didn't support Bush, what a fool I was! Zero action from this man socially which is my number 1 concern plus he's never saw a check he doesn't like to sign. Went to war in Iraq which I support to this day except only he controls the joystick from the oval office and has failed the troops on the ground miserably by not letting the generals fight war like it was meant to be fought and not the nation building crap he's currently mired in while the boys get picked off like ducks on the pond.

Basically he's way short of a conservative and quite possibly a failure as president in my humble opinion.

First, there's no way McCain will ever get nominated. The base of the party, who nominates the candidate, is too conservative. And Buchanan is an albatross around the GOP's neck - the guy still supports isolationism, for God's sake. He's never going to win anything in the 21st century because he's a 19th century Republican.

And that gets me to my overarching point. Conservatives have taken the party back from moderates in the past, and they are able - and hopefully willing - to do it again. It happened in 1916, when Taft (the conservative) kept TR (the progressive) from dominating the party. It happened again in 1964, when Goldwater won the nomination and the roots of modern conservatism were born. And if it happens that the conservative base of the GOP needs to clean house, they'll do it again. If Bush (who is a far cry from conservative on domestic issues) keeps screwing up on domestic policy, especially immigration, the conservative base of the GOP is going to react by supporting a strong conservative. That's how we keep the party conservative - by working from the inside.

The solution you and PR throw around - abandoning the GOP and voting 3rd party - will never work. Name one 3rd party officeholder in the federal government (hint: there are none). Heck, name one elected at the state level of any state! There are no viable 3rd party Presidential candidates. So if you want to work to actually elect someone, keep your vote and your efforts within the party.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

First, there's no way McCain will ever get nominated. The base of the party, who nominates the candidate, is too conservative. And Buchanan is an albatross around the GOP's neck - the guy still supports isolationism, for God's sake. He's never going to win anything in the 21st century because he's a 19th century Republican.

And that gets me to my overarching point. Conservatives have taken the party back from moderates in the past, and they are able - and hopefully willing - to do it again. It happened in 1916, when Taft (the conservative) kept TR (the progressive) from dominating the party. It happened again in 1964, when Goldwater won the nomination and the roots of modern conservatism were born. And if it happens that the conservative base of the GOP needs to clean house, they'll do it again. If Bush (who is a far cry from conservative on domestic issues) keeps screwing up on domestic policy, especially immigration, the conservative base of the GOP is going to react by supporting a strong conservative. That's how we keep the party conservative - by working from the inside.

The solution you and PR throw around - abandoning the GOP and voting 3rd party - will never work. Name one 3rd party officeholder in the federal government (hint: there are none). Heck, name one elected at the state level of any state! There are no viable 3rd party Presidential candidates. So if you want to work to actually elect someone, keep your vote and your efforts within the party.

TAFT :rotflmao: Face it, Jeff. The neocons don't care about america. They really opened a lot of eyes with their port deal screw up. Globalization should have never been extended to include communist nations, that's straight up new world order crap. And now they're pandering to the Mexican VOte. These republicans are sellouts.

 

[archangel]

First, there's no way McCain will ever get nominated. The base of the party, who nominates the candidate, is too conservative. And Buchanan is an albatross around the GOP's neck - the guy still supports isolationism, for God's sake. He's never going to win anything in the 21st century because he's a 19th century Republican.

And that gets me to my overarching point. Conservatives have taken the party back from moderates in the past, and they are able - and hopefully willing - to do it again. It happened in 1916, when Taft (the conservative) kept TR (the progressive) from dominating the party. It happened again in 1964, when Goldwater won the nomination and the roots of modern conservatism were born. And if it happens that the conservative base of the GOP needs to clean house, they'll do it again. If Bush (who is a far cry from conservative on domestic issues) keeps screwing up on domestic policy, especially immigration, the conservative base of the GOP is going to react by supporting a strong conservative. That's how we keep the party conservative - by working from the inside.

The solution you and PR throw around - abandoning the GOP and voting 3rd party - will never work. Name one 3rd party officeholder in the federal government (hint: there are none). Heck, name one elected at the state level of any state! There are no viable 3rd party Presidential candidates. So if you want to work to actually elect someone, keep your vote and your efforts within the party.

Almost beat Taft...I think it is time...overdue for another run as a "Bull Moose Party" The Bull Moose Party gave women the right to vote and as Teddy said and wanted... a Nationalistic government! For the people vs Corporate America!


see: www.theodoreroosevelt.org/life/bullmoose.htm

and: www.geocities.com/dave_enrich/ctd/3p.roosevelt.html

 

[theim]

Almost beat Taft...I think it is time...overdue for another run as a "Bull Moose Party" The Bull Moose Party gave women the right to vote and as Teddy said and wanted... a Nationalistic government! For the people vs Corporate America!


see: www.theodoreroosevelt.org/life/bullmoose.htm

and: www.geocities.com/dave_enrich/ctd/3p.roosevelt.html

The Bull Moose Party also gave control of the country to the Democrats. I consider that a somewhat relevant detail.

 

[theim]

The time has come for a third party to rule.

Sounds wonderful, except for the wee little fact that it aint gonna happen. All a third party will do is split the conservative vote and let the Dems run the country. Sound fun?

Can the GOP change? I think it can. I don't know how but I'm pretty sure it's possible. And I'm definately sure that even a wishy-washy GOP government is better than a Democratic (big D) government.

 

[dilloduck]

Sounds wonderful, except for the wee little fact that it aint gonna happen. All a third party will do is split the conservative vote and let the Dems run the country. Sound fun?

Can the GOP change? I think it can. I don't know how but I'm pretty sure it's possible. And I'm definately sure that even a wishy-washy GOP government is better than a Democratic (big D) government.

Agreed --The Dems and GOP won't even ALLOW a 3rd party. I can see the democrats changing thier stripes to become "Progressives" but it will be the same old bunch of liberals.

 

[archangel]

The Bull Moose Party also gave control of the country to the Democrats. I consider that a somewhat relevant detail.

The Dem party under Taft was equal to the GOP party of today...The Dem party was conservative up until 1964...then went socialist...Prior to this the only difference between Dems and Gop's was that the Dems were the party who represented the working man and the Gop corporate America...Today both parties support corporate America over the working man! So friend your comment is a moot point to say the least!

 

[007]

The solution you and PR throw around - abandoning the GOP and voting 3rd party - will never work.

Work or not, I have to live with my decisions, and voting for someone I don't want isn't something I'm going to do.

McCain? What a pathetic joke. He's a damn closet liberal. If he actually got the Republican nomination, I can guarantee I wouldn't vote Republican. And I wouldn't see that as "abandoning my party". I'd see it as not voting for a Republican sell out, liberal appeaser. And if the dems won because people voted as I did, then I'd blame that on the fact that the dumbass Republicans didn't put forth a better candidate. Wouldn't be my fault.

I'm really, REALLY hoping Newt runs for President. Then I can not only vote my party, but I'll be voting for someone I like.

 

[OCA]

Sounds wonderful, except for the wee little fact that it aint gonna happen. All a third party will do is split the conservative vote and let the Dems run the country. Sound fun?

Can the GOP change? I think it can. I don't know how but I'm pretty sure it's possible. And I'm definately sure that even a wishy-washy GOP government is better than a Democratic (big D) government.

You see i'd rather vote my conscience than to follow the good ol' if you vote 3rd party then you might as well vote for a Demo. Repubs have been running as conservatives then governing as something entirely different for so long its hard to remember a real governing conservative except for Reagan and hell even under him the government grew exponentially. I for one don't see really a plug nickels worth of difference between the two parties governing styles, neither gives two shits about what is right, if they did we'd have a constitutional ban on queer marriage now, tax rates would be lowered by 2/3, we wouldn't give a damn about civilian kill counts in Iraq and we would knock off the silly notion of America being a secular society and admit we were founded as a Christian democracy and start acting like it.

 

[OCA]

Work or not, I have to live with my decisions, and voting for someone I don't want isn't something I'm going to do.

McCain? What a pathetic joke. He's a damn closet liberal. If he actually got the Republican nomination, I can guarantee I wouldn't vote Republican. And I wouldn't see that as "abandoning my party". I'd see it as not voting for a Republican sell out, liberal appeaser. And if the dems won because people voted as I did, then I'd blame that on the fact that the dumbass Republicans didn't put forth a better candidate. Wouldn't be my fault.

I'm really, REALLY hoping Newt runs for President. Then I can not only vote my party, but I'll be voting for someone I like.

Pale my friend trust me, McCain will get the nomination because the media wants it and what the media wants the media gets, they are already sounding his drumbeat. This same media will tear Newt a new asshole, he has some personal shit in his closet that he will get torn to shreds over.

Hey I like Newt but this is America, its just the reality my friend.

 

[archangel]

Pale my friend trust me, McCain will get the nomination because the media wants it and what the media wants the media gets, they are already sounding his drumbeat. This same media will tear Newt a new asshole, he has some personal shit in his closet that he will get torn to shreds over.

Hey I like Newt but this is America, its just the reality my friend.

John was on track when he started his run for President...then he went south fast when the GOP attacked him...I had a few e-mails with John during this period...I suggested he go the Independent route...He said he was GOP all the way...even though the GOP shot off his wings for GW...JR!..OH well his time passed and he is trying to resurrect it via the 'Bull Moose Party'...ala Teddy Roosevelt...too much water under the bridge in my opinion!