Well, no, those are not the only 2 options nor are they mutually exclusive. One can easily believe that both are true. Conversely, and the stance that science actually takes, is that we simply do not know. That does not require any 'belief' at all - merely acceptance of current limitations.You only have two choices. Either you believe that beings that know and create arose through natural processes or you believe they arose through a special creative act of God. Which is it? I've got you trapped either way.I need proof for every single claim you make about god or the universe. Now you know.lol, you need proof that beings that know and create were not a result of a special creative act of God?you said "beings that know and create were predestined to exist." you have yet to show any concrete proof, just loads of clown fartsmoke.You need proof that beings that know and create were not a result of a special creative act of God?Got any proof? A proper link maybe? Or is that too much to ask?