Will eliminating "don't ask-don't tell" improve the military?

[The NCO]

Yet another false comparison to civil rights. Newsflash: Homos come in all shapes sizes and colors and arent easily detectible just by looking at them.

Newsflash: Blacks were discriminated against by Military policies, Homosexuals are discriminated against by Military policies

There are homosexuals serving in the military today. There is no discrimination.

According to who?? What source do you have for this?

 

[The Rabbi]

Newsflash: Blacks were discriminated against by Military policies, Homosexuals are discriminated against by Military policies

There are homosexuals serving in the military today. There is no discrimination.

According to who?? What source do you have for this?

Are there homosexuals serving in the military today?

 

[maineman]

We had this same argument over integrating blacks into the military.

Are there race quotas for the army now? Well are there?

Yes there is moron

are you suggesting that the Army limits the number of blacks it allows to enlist?

 

[maineman]

There are homosexuals serving in the military today. There is no discrimination.

According to who?? What source do you have for this?

Are there homosexuals serving in the military today?

yes there are... and they most certainly ARE discriminated against. If their sexuality becomes known, they are discharged because of it... even if no clear violation of the UCMJ has occurred.

 

[The Rabbi]

According to who?? What source do you have for this?

Are there homosexuals serving in the military today?

yes there are... and they most certainly ARE discriminated against. If their sexuality becomes known, they are discharged because of it... even if no clear violation of the UCMJ has occurred.

They are not discharged for being homosexual. They are discharged for talking about being homosexual.

 

[G.T.]

Are there homosexuals serving in the military today?

yes there are... and they most certainly ARE discriminated against. If their sexuality becomes known, they are discharged because of it... even if no clear violation of the UCMJ has occurred.

They are not discharged for being homosexual. They are discharged for talking about being homosexual.

Which is discriminatory. No discharges for talking about being straight. If the law was applied equally, THEN it's not discriminatory, but as it stands it's only GAY you can't talk about.

 

[maineman]

Are there homosexuals serving in the military today?

yes there are... and they most certainly ARE discriminated against. If their sexuality becomes known, they are discharged because of it... even if no clear violation of the UCMJ has occurred.

They are not discharged for being homosexual. They are discharged for talking about being homosexual.

and how is that NOT discriminatory?

 

[The Rabbi]

yes there are... and they most certainly ARE discriminated against. If their sexuality becomes known, they are discharged because of it... even if no clear violation of the UCMJ has occurred.

They are not discharged for being homosexual. They are discharged for talking about being homosexual.

and how is that NOT discriminatory?

Because you can be a homosexual and serve in the military. You cannot talk about being a homosexual, even if you aren't, and serve. So a straight guy who says that he's gay will get discharged same as a gay guy who says he's gay. A gay guy who doesn't say anything will stay in, same as a straight guy who doesnt say anything.
See the difference?

 

[G.T.]

They are not discharged for being homosexual. They are discharged for talking about being homosexual.

and how is that NOT discriminatory?

Because you can be a homosexual and serve in the military. You cannot talk about being a homosexual, even if you aren't, and serve. So a straight guy who says that he's gay will get discharged same as a gay guy who says he's gay. A gay guy who doesn't say anything will stay in, same as a straight guy who doesnt say anything.
See the difference?

So you're saying that since a straight guy can't say he's gay either, that gays aren't being discriminated against?> That's your rationalization?

This is exactly what I mean by people being too fucking coward to really discuss the issue. You come up with the most immature equivocations, like these, ever.......instead of facing the issue head-on like a grown-up.

Obviously if you can talk about being straight, but can't about being gay, then GAY is discriminated against. Spinning it doesn't hide it from people with more than three brain cells.

 

[rightwinger]

Are there homosexuals serving in the military today?

yes there are... and they most certainly ARE discriminated against. If their sexuality becomes known, they are discharged because of it... even if no clear violation of the UCMJ has occurred.

They are not discharged for being homosexual. They are discharged for talking about being homosexual.

They are not talking about anything that is a crime in this country. They have done nothing wrong by being a homosexual. Being discharged for talking about what you are and not for anything having to do with your ability to do your job deprives the service and the country of valuable personnel resources

 

[Lonestar_logic]

No

 

[G.T.]

No

Of course it will. It will weed out all of the hyper-sensitive pussies who are askurred of a lil' Gay guy, when they SHOULD BE fearless warriors prepared for Battle.

It will also serve to be more inclusive of strong Gay men and Women who may have been put off from enlisting previously.

 

[rightwinger]

The only way Don't ask don't tell would not be discriminatory would be if it were applied to the entire Armed Services. If they made it a dischargeable offense for anyone to reveal their sexuality it would be non-discriminatory.
So as long as no soldiers or sailors are allowed to talk about their wives or girlfriends or a girl they met at the bar it is a fair policy.

 

[bodecea]

There are homosexuals serving in the military today. There is no discrimination.

According to who?? What source do you have for this?

Are there homosexuals serving in the military today?

Absolutely.

 

[bodecea]

Are there homosexuals serving in the military today?

yes there are... and they most certainly ARE discriminated against. If their sexuality becomes known, they are discharged because of it... even if no clear violation of the UCMJ has occurred.

They are not discharged for being homosexual. They are discharged for talking about being homosexual.

Nope...they are even discharged if someone else talks about them being homosexual.

 

[bodecea]

The only way Don't ask don't tell would not be discriminatory would be if it were applied to the entire Armed Services. If they made it a dischargeable offense for anyone to reveal their sexuality it would be non-discriminatory.
So as long as no soldiers or sailors are allowed to talk about their wives or girlfriends or a girl they met at the bar it is a fair policy.

That would last 5 minutes.

 

[G.T.]

That would last 5 milli-seconds.

fixed*

 

[bodecea]

That would last 5 milli-seconds.

fixed*

You are most likely correct.

 

[The Rabbi]

yes there are... and they most certainly ARE discriminated against. If their sexuality becomes known, they are discharged because of it... even if no clear violation of the UCMJ has occurred.

They are not discharged for being homosexual. They are discharged for talking about being homosexual.

Nope...they are even discharged if someone else talks about them being homosexual.

Yup. Even they are not actually homosexual.
Thanks for backing me up on this.

 

[G.T.]

Idiot.