Wildfires up dramatically, climate change suspected as cause

[flacaltenn]

Absolutely no offense to my religious buds whom I greatly respect.. But the similarities to this thread are really amazing...

 

[westwall]

Absolutely no offense to my religious buds whom I greatly respect.. But the similarities to this thread are really amazing...

AGW supporters abandoned science over a decade ago and have fully accepted the mantle of religious nutters.

 

[mamooth]

The Forest Service has mismanaged the nations forests for over a century.

Back in the good old days, you know, before the evil white man came to the continent,

So why do you think white men are all evil? That's racist, you know.

whenever there was a forest fire it cleared out all the underbrush and kept the forest healthy.

The no-burn policy was revoked in 1978, at the urging of the environmentalists.

You're welcome. Your really should be thanking the liberals for fixing yet another one of your colossal screwups.

Then, the evil white man came to town and he started building homes and towns in wilderness areas and so the goal changed to put every fire out as quickly as possible. So, over the ensuing decades, the fuel load has increased to the point that now, whenever there is a fire, instead of a nice fire that flows along the floor of the forest it leaps up into the trees and utterly destroys everything.

So your contention is all the wood has laid there without rotting since 1978? That lack of common sense is .... well ... common to deniers. People possessing common sense instantly recognize denier nonsense for what it is.

You know for someone who claims to be a "thinker" you sure are dumb....admiral...

So, now that your first round of deflection attempts is out of the way, let's get back to what you're evading.

Why did you declare Old Rocks supported people building in the wilderness?

Why do you and so many deniers even bring up the red herring of people building in the wilderness?

And if it's all the fault of the Forest Service, why is Alaska, where the Forest Service never did anything, now burning at record levels?

 

[westwall]

The Forest Service has mismanaged the nations forests for over a century.

Back in the good old days, you know, before the evil white man came to the continent,

So why do you think white men are all evil? That's racist, you know.

whenever there was a forest fire it cleared out all the underbrush and kept the forest healthy.

The no-burn policy was revoked in 1978, at the urging of the environmentalists.

You're welcome. Your really should be thanking the liberals for fixing yet another one of your colossal screwups.

Then, the evil white man came to town and he started building homes and towns in wilderness areas and so the goal changed to put every fire out as quickly as possible. So, over the ensuing decades, the fuel load has increased to the point that now, whenever there is a fire, instead of a nice fire that flows along the floor of the forest it leaps up into the trees and utterly destroys everything.

So your contention is all the wood has laid there without rotting since 1978? That lack of common sense is .... well ... common to deniers. People possessing common sense instantly recognize denier nonsense for what it is.

You know for someone who claims to be a "thinker" you sure are dumb....admiral...

So, now that your first round of deflection attempts is out of the way, let's get back to what you're evading.

Why did you declare Old Rocks supported people building in the wilderness?

Why do you and so many deniers even bring up the red herring of people building in the wilderness?

And if it's all the fault of the Forest Service, why is Alaska, where the Forest Service never did anything, now burning at record levels?

You know, admiral, when you can't be bothered to look up even the basics it makes it hard to take anything you say seriously. And lookey here, you are wrong yet again.

Now, go away little silly person. This discussion is for adults....

And BTW, Alaska is Region 10...just thought you might like to know....or not..


Region 10 - Home

 

[mamooth]

And, to nobody's surprise, you evade everything again.

I think the funniest part is your new implied claim that the forest service has spent the last century putting out fires in the middle of Alaska. I'm impressed by how much effort you expend to create and maintain your alternate reality. That must be hard work.

 

[westwall]

And, to nobody's surprise, you evade everything again.

I think the funniest part is your new implied claim that the forest service has spent the last century putting out fires in the middle of Alaska. I'm impressed by how much effort you expend to create and maintain your alternate reality. That must be hard work.

I evade nothing because you SAID nothing. You made a statement that was either stupendously ignorant or an outright lie.

Either way you are no one that need be taken seriously.

 

[mamooth]

I evade nothing because you SAID nothing. You made a statement that was either stupendously ignorant or an outright lie.

So which statement was that?

Please be specific. You have that habit of calling people liars, and then refusing to say what the supposed lie was, which sort of makes your claim less believable.

 

[flacaltenn]

The Forest Service has mismanaged the nations forests for over a century.

Back in the good old days, you know, before the evil white man came to the continent,

So why do you think white men are all evil? That's racist, you know.

whenever there was a forest fire it cleared out all the underbrush and kept the forest healthy.

The no-burn policy was revoked in 1978, at the urging of the environmentalists.

You're welcome. Your really should be thanking the liberals for fixing yet another one of your colossal screwups.

Then, the evil white man came to town and he started building homes and towns in wilderness areas and so the goal changed to put every fire out as quickly as possible. So, over the ensuing decades, the fuel load has increased to the point that now, whenever there is a fire, instead of a nice fire that flows along the floor of the forest it leaps up into the trees and utterly destroys everything.

So your contention is all the wood has laid there without rotting since 1978? That lack of common sense is .... well ... common to deniers. People possessing common sense instantly recognize denier nonsense for what it is.

You know for someone who claims to be a "thinker" you sure are dumb....admiral...

So, now that your first round of deflection attempts is out of the way, let's get back to what you're evading.

Why did you declare Old Rocks supported people building in the wilderness?

Why do you and so many deniers even bring up the red herring of people building in the wilderness?

And if it's all the fault of the Forest Service, why is Alaska, where the Forest Service never did anything, now burning at record levels?

People building in the wilderness is anything BUT a red herring. You look at the Sierra upslope just west of Tahoe or Yosemite for example. Since I entered Cali in 1980 or so til 2005 -- the growth boom in those areas were phenomenal.. INCLUDING areas directly adjacent to state and federal lands. That's not the Forest Service's fault -- UNTIL their management practices ADDs to the danger of living there.

You ask any real enviro who do they trust to MANAGE these areas -- the US Forest Service or the Indian Nations or the Nature Conservancy -- the US Forest Service and BLM will come in dead last. Might even be dead last against Georgia Pacific for that matter.

I bunked with Forestry and Resource guys all thru College. Followed them to their jobs and camped and traveled with them. A lot of what they learned in school about management practice went out the window in the 80s and 90s with the "less is better" mentality. The concept of "hands off" is just denial of the sciences related to managing those resources..

 

[Old Rocks]

The Washington fires are really creating havoc. And it does not look to be any better. This site has a video that shows where the fires are in relationship to the towns. Several small towns evacuated and in the middle of the fires.

Level 3 evacuations remain in Chelan Fires; more than 50 structures lost

 

[Old Rocks]

Ah yes, blame the Federal Government for all the fires. But when one of those fires approaches your home, scream like hell for their help. We saw that with Governor Perry of Texas. You 'Conservatives' are a pathetic bunch of really stupid ideologues and are going to have your idiocy stuffed down your throats one more time in 2016.

The changing climate, areas having longer, dryer summers is indeed affecting the number and behaviour of the forest and range fires. And your denial of that fact is going to apparent to many voters this election cycle.

 

[ScienceRocks]

The federal government organizing the fire fighters and funding the equipment is the reason we can even fight these fires.

 

[westwall]

Ah yes, blame the Federal Government for all the fires. But when one of those fires approaches your home, scream like hell for their help. We saw that with Governor Perry of Texas. You 'Conservatives' are a pathetic bunch of really stupid ideologues and are going to have your idiocy stuffed down your throats one more time in 2016.

The changing climate, areas having longer, dryer summers is indeed affecting the number and behaviour of the forest and range fires. And your denial of that fact is going to apparent to many voters this election cycle.

Well, if they fucked it up, they should probably be the ones to pay for it don't you think?

 

[Old Rocks]

While some of the increase in forest fires are the result of an increase in fuel load, the fires as the result of several years of abnormally warm and dry weather are the result of that weather. And the fire fighting policy of yesteryear was the result of public input after the disastrous 1910 fires.

And, what do you mean by they, Mr. Westwall? Are you a foreign citizen? The correct way to say that would be 'we'. But, of course, you do not want to admit that, because if you do, you might have to agree that we should all pay a bit more in taxes to address the affects of a warming world, and past errors in fire management.

And you will vote to defund the governmental agencies that fight the fires and try to have some money left to manage the forests.

 

[mamooth]

People building in the wilderness is anything BUT a red herring.

Unless you can show how that causes more area to burn, it is a red herring.

You look at the Sierra upslope just west of Tahoe or Yosemite for example. Since I entered Cali in 1980 or so til 2005 -- the growth boom in those areas were phenomenal.. INCLUDING areas directly adjacent to state and federal lands. That's not the Forest Service's fault -- UNTIL their management practices ADDs to the danger of living there.

And you didn't show how that causes more area to burn, so it's still a red herring.

You ask any real enviro who do they trust to MANAGE these areas -- the US Forest Service or the Indian Nations or the Nature Conservancy -- the US Forest Service and BLM will come in dead last. Might even be dead last against Georgia Pacific for that matter.

That's because the Forest Service brings in the loggers who then take the mature trees, resetting the problem for another generation. That policy is enthusiastically supported by most conservatives, of course. After all, the loggers are capitalists, so therefore they can do no wrong.

 

[PredFan]

We interrupt this thread for an important news flash!

GLOBAL WARMING SCIENTIST FINDS EVIDENCE OF GLOBAL WARMING! GETS TO KEEP JOB.

Details at the top of the hour. Stay tuned!

 

[flacaltenn]

People building in the wilderness is anything BUT a red herring.

Unless you can show how that causes more area to burn, it is a red herring.

You look at the Sierra upslope just west of Tahoe or Yosemite for example. Since I entered Cali in 1980 or so til 2005 -- the growth boom in those areas were phenomenal.. INCLUDING areas directly adjacent to state and federal lands. That's not the Forest Service's fault -- UNTIL their management practices ADDs to the danger of living there.

And you didn't show how that causes more area to burn, so it's still a red herring.

You ask any real enviro who do they trust to MANAGE these areas -- the US Forest Service or the Indian Nations or the Nature Conservancy -- the US Forest Service and BLM will come in dead last. Might even be dead last against Georgia Pacific for that matter.

That's because the Forest Service brings in the loggers who then take the mature trees, resetting the problem for another generation. That policy is enthusiastically supported by most conservatives, of course. After all, the loggers are capitalists, so therefore they can do no wrong.

They BURN because they are more than likely to be neighbors with the yahoos mismanaging FED lands !!!!!
Since in most of these areas --- the VAST MAJORITY landholder and pesky neighbor IS the FED govt..
You mental midget. Go find me a map of these burning homes and I'll show you who the neighbor was that has the MAJORITY of the fire on FEDERAL land..

 

[CrusaderFrank]

While some of the increase in forest fires are the result of an increase in fuel load, the fires as the result of several years of abnormally warm and dry weather are the result of that weather. And the fire fighting policy of yesteryear was the result of public input after the disastrous 1910 fires.

And, what do you mean by they, Mr. Westwall? Are you a foreign citizen? The correct way to say that would be 'we'. But, of course, you do not want to admit that, because if you do, you might have to agree that we should all pay a bit more in taxes to address the affects of a warming world, and past errors in fire management.

And you will vote to defund the governmental agencies that fight the fires and try to have some money left to manage the forests.

But the warming the USA experienced in the 30's don't count because the USA is local, not global??????

 

[Rotagilla]

It HAS to be climate change...either that or racists...

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Praise Allah that the oceans ate 93% of the warming or the entire planet would be on fire

 

[depotoo]

Have you ever looked to see how individual fires would burn millions of acres in the 1800's. Was agw the cause?

People building in the wilderness is anything BUT a red herring.

Unless you can show how that causes more area to burn, it is a red herring.

You look at the Sierra upslope just west of Tahoe or Yosemite for example. Since I entered Cali in 1980 or so til 2005 -- the growth boom in those areas were phenomenal.. INCLUDING areas directly adjacent to state and federal lands. That's not the Forest Service's fault -- UNTIL their management practices ADDs to the danger of living there.

And you didn't show how that causes more area to burn, so it's still a red herring.

You ask any real enviro who do they trust to MANAGE these areas -- the US Forest Service or the Indian Nations or the Nature Conservancy -- the US Forest Service and BLM will come in dead last. Might even be dead last against Georgia Pacific for that matter.

That's because the Forest Service brings in the loggers who then take the mature trees, resetting the problem for another generation. That policy is enthusiastically supported by most conservatives, of course. After all, the loggers are capitalists, so therefore they can do no wrong.