Why would anyone continue to claim the iraqi war was a failure?

[JRK]

The Liberals are repeating lies, you cannot blame them
Saddam was not told to rid his country of some WMDs
He was not told that selling oil on the black market to buy arms would be okay
He was not given permission to allow Al Qaeda in Iraq

Saddam should have done the right thing, none of this happens and as far as the number of Iraqis killed by Saddam loyalist, Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups, that number is about 10% of 1 million



Iraq Body Count project 105,052 — 114,731 civilian deaths as a result of the conflict. Over 162,000 civilian and combatant deaths[1][2] March 2003 to January 2012
WikiLeaks. Classified Iraq war logs[1][3][4][5] 109,032 deaths including 66,081 civilian deaths.[6][7] January 2004 to December 2009
Casualties of the Iraq War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Now you can depend on actual numbers or by left wing questionnaires
The Un had 35,000 in 06, the US had over 6 million violent crimes in 2010

 

[JakeStarkey]

JRK has forgotten that Powell calls the war and his part in it the worst blot in his career. Bush told Rove if he had believed the WMDs would not appear, he never would have invaded Iraq.

Then throw on the dead, the wasted American treasure, the degradation of the Reserve and NG because of tour after tour after tour, and the frittering away of American good will in the world. Add the fact that Iraq drifts into a Shiite alliance with Iran as Iraqi women slip into sharia, one can conclude . . .

JRK is working for the interest of America's enemies.

 

[Billo_Really]

I do not recall the UN having jurisdiction on the US

If you're going to use the violation of a UN resolution as justification for an attack on Iraq, you cannot later do an about-face (on that same resolution) and claim you're not required to honor its requirements.

It either has jurisdiction, or it does not. You can't have it both ways.

In his book, At the Center of the Storm, George Tenet discussed at length the intelligence concerning al Qaeda’s presence in Baghdad. Tenet says the CIA found “more than enough evidence” connecting Saddam’s Iraq to al Qaeda. The CIA was particularly concerned about a group of al Qaeda operatives and allies – including Ayman al Zawahiri’s lieutenant, Abu Musab al Zarqawi (the first leader of al Qaeda in Iraq), and Abu Ayyub al Masri (who stepped in for Zarqawi as leader of al Qaeda in Iraq but was killed in 2010) – who had set up shop in Baghdad prior to the war.

Abu Ayyub al Masri’s widow has since confirmed the CIA’s pre-war intelligence, explaining that she and her husband moved to Baghdad in 2002.

In 2001, with Bin Ladin’s help [Kurdish extremists] re-formed into an organization called Ansar al Islam. There are indications that by then the
Iraqi regime tolerated and may even have helped Ansar al Islam against the common Kurdish enemy.

Still Clueless About Al Qaeda in Iraq | The Weekly Standard
GWB made it clear, you harbor Al Qaeda, were coming after them

Saddam brought all of this on to Iraq

That story was proven to be bogus.

Another story seized on by the hawks appeared in The New Yorker in spring 2002. The author, Jeffrey Goldberg, had traveled to northern Iraq, where he was given access to prisoners from Ansar al-Islam, a small group of Islamist guerrillas around Halabja. On the basis of one interview with a former drug-runner, Goldberg made it seem that Ansar was part of Al Qaeda and also linked to Saddam's intelligence services. Ansar soon became the key link, not only to Al Qaeda but to chemical warfare as well. The group was said to be developing poisons -- in other words, weapons of mass destruction (WMD). Woolsey called the story proof positive; Cheney called it "devastating."

It was indeed a great story, but nothing has since turned up to sustain the key elements. What evidence has emerged about Ansar's external links suggests the group may have been more closely tied to an Iranian security faction than to Baghdad. Its headquarters were obliterated in the opening stages of the war, and no traces of poisons turned up in the debris. The man reported to be the link between the group and Saddam is nowhere to be found. While the CIA was excoriated by Woolsey, Perle and others for not taking Goldberg's account more seriously, the Ansar lead appears to have collapsed on its own.

Keep in mind, if al Qaeda was operating in the Kurdish northern province, they were doing so in full view of American forces. Which suggests collaboration with the US, rather than Iraq.

As far as CIA intelligence findings, we all know it was cherry-picked by the OSP.

Office of Special Plans, was formed, according to published reports, after the 9-11 terrorist attacks to find links between Iraq and al-Qaeda. It was disbanded late last year, Feith said during a briefing with reporters in May. About a dozen former CIA intelligence officials have been quoted as saying that the Office of Special Plans cherry-picked intelligence, much of which was gathered by unreliable Iraqi defectors, to make a stronger case for war and delivered directly to Vice President Dick Cheney’s office and National Security Adviser Condoleeza Rice without first being vetted by the CIA.

Bush told the British government he was going to go after Hussein and was going to "fix the intel" around the policy. That is your smoking gun according to the Downing Street Memo's, so stop trying to bullshit everyone.

 

[JRK]

Ya. The cost.

We could have worked within Iraq covertly to establish some crediblity to kill Saddam and gone ahead and killed him allowing a "whole" Iraq to establish his successor. If that guy didn't work out ..repeat until a satisfactory leader emmerged.

This could have all been done a thousand times cheaper and with 5,000 fewer Americans killed, hundred thousands less wounded trillions less spent. Thousands fewer terrorists created.

They (Iraqi people) hung Saddam, not us
How could anything be done with "man" who had killed millions and the NY times reported close to 1 million of his own people (gassed)
Al Qaeda was setting up base there in 02
Saddam was lying
He had munitions, He has Anthrax and there was 550 metric tons of un secured yellow cake there

How many Americans had to die and be wounded?..How much of our treasure was borrowed into the future and unreported at the time it was wasted? Just so an idiot like you could say that the "Iraqis" hung Saddam?

I haven't been following this thread but your statements in response to my post are insane.

Put me on your ignore list please. We have nothing left to discuss.

Huggy the ignore button works both ways
I put people on ignore who have no class
Calling me an idiot because we dis agree on the events that took place from 1991 through 2003 would be strike 1

What is insane about this? I cam tell you whats insane is that any-one would defend Saddam and think that those who volunteered to go fight your battles might deserve the time and effort put forth by some if us to understand why
Saddam was a mad man
He was evil
after 9-11 what would have done with this man? with Al Qaeda setting up base in Iraq in addition to his not cooperating with the UN?
Saddam murdered 1 million of his own people and had attacked Kuwait and Israel for no more reason than they were his neighbors

In April 2002, Saddam Hussein increased from $10,000 to $25,000 the money offered to families of Palestinian suicide/homicide bombers. The rules for rewarding suicide/homicide bombers are strict and insist that only someone who blows himself up with a belt of explosives gets the full payment. Payments are made on a strict scale, with different amounts for wounds, disablement, death as a "martyr" and $25,000 for a suicide bomber. Mahmoud Besharat, a representative on the West Bank who is handing out to families the money from Saddam, said, "You would have to ask President Saddam why he is being so generous. But he is a revolutionary and he wants this distinguished struggle, the intifada, to continue."
Former Iraqi military officers have described a highly secret terrorist training facility in Iraq known as Salman Pak, where both Iraqis and non-Iraqi Arabs receive training on hijacking planes and trains, planting explosives in cities, sabotage, and assassinations.

Are you kidding me?

Saddam Hussein's Support for International Terrorism

 

[bobgnote]

And let's all chase after Saddam, since like OBL, he was a CIA-client, in the first place! Let's shoot the whole place up with depleted uranium!

It was a circle-jerk! I guess that's why you are a jerkoff, for 215+ pages, Jerkoffski. Looks like Tardzerk took off and left you here, sitting on a fence, trying to make a dollar, out of fifteen cents.

 

[JakeStarkey]

JRK: Snip

The facts: JRK's false narrative been torn apart.

The American neo-cons will never have power in government again, and eventually their trials will happen.

 

[bobgnote]

Let's invade Israel! They are conspiring against the American people, the US Constitution, statutes, and land:

"Israel may have the right to put others on trial, but certainly no one has the right to put the Jewish people and the State of Israel on trial."
-- Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, 25 March, 2001 quoted in BBC News Online

Ariel Sharon, Prime Minister of Israel (date undetermined, in an Israeli cabinet meeting):

"Don't worry, we [Israel] control the United States."

(In response to concerns raised by another cabinet member about Sharon's ["the butcher of Beirut"] invasion and brutality in the West Bank.)

http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2003/02/11/15727361.php

Let's go get that King of Bahrain! Like Saddam, he's this Sunni tyrant, ruling a Shiite majority, but he's propped up by the Americans, since the US 5th Fleet is over there. He's killing all kinds of people.

We'd better go get Bashar Assad, Jerkoff. Except there's a Russian base over there, in Syria.

From Snoop Doggy-Dogg: "A lie ain't a side of a story. It's just a lie." -from a USMB sig.

 

[Uncensored2008]

JRK: Snip

The facts: JRK's false narrative been torn apart.

The American neo-cons will never have power in government again, and eventually their trials will happen.

Hey Fakey Jake, how's that recall of Walker that all you brain dead leftists declared a done deal going?

Lost another one, did ya Comrade?

 

[BlindBoo]

The Liberals are repeating lies, you cannot blame them
Saddam was not told to rid his country of some WMDs
He was not told that selling oil on the black market to buy arms would be okay
He was not given permission to allow Al Qaeda in Iraq

Saddam should have done the right thing, none of this happens and as far as the number of Iraqis killed by Saddam loyalist, Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups, that number is about 10% of 1 million



Iraq Body Count project 105,052 — 114,731 civilian deaths as a result of the conflict. Over 162,000 civilian and combatant deaths[1][2] March 2003 to January 2012
WikiLeaks. Classified Iraq war logs[1][3][4][5] 109,032 deaths including 66,081 civilian deaths.[6][7] January 2004 to December 2009
Casualties of the Iraq War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Now you can depend on actual numbers or by left wing questionnaires
The Un had 35,000 in 06, the US had over 6 million violent crimes in 2010

JR continues with his myths and half truths.

We were told by the Bush administration that Iraq had stockpiles of new WMD and we knew where they were.

Iraq was under UN Sanctions that limited their ability to re-arm his conventional army as well as limiting their ability to reconsitute a WMD program. Members of the Bush administration (Rice and Powell) revealed this in early 2001.

The Government of Iraq no more invited al Queda into their country that the US goverment invited the drug cartels into El Paso.

Iraq was not a threat to the US. Iraq was not involved in 9-11. The was no UN mandate to use military force in Iraq to disarm them or remove Saddam from power.

The Iraq invasion and occupation was a failure.

 

[georgephillip]

Let's invade Israel! They are conspiring against the American people, the US Constitution, statutes, and land:

"Israel may have the right to put others on trial, but certainly no one has the right to put the Jewish people and the State of Israel on trial."
-- Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, 25 March, 2001 quoted in BBC News Online

Ariel Sharon, Prime Minister of Israel (date undetermined, in an Israeli cabinet meeting):

"Don't worry, we [Israel] control the United States."

(In response to concerns raised by another cabinet member about Sharon's ["the butcher of Beirut"] invasion and brutality in the West Bank.)

RACIST ZIONIST QUOTES : Indybay

Let's go get that King of Bahrain! Like Saddam, he's this Sunni tyrant, ruling a Shiite majority, but he's propped up by the Americans, since the US 5th Fleet is over there. He's killing all kinds of people.

We'd better go get Bashar Assad, Jerkoff. Except there's a Russian base over there, in Syria.

From Snoop Doggy-Dogg: "A lie ain't a side of a story. It's just a lie." -from a USMB sig.

While we're at it, how about electing a congress willing to investigate Israel's assault on Liberty?

"The USS Liberty incident was an attack on a United States Navy technical research ship, USS Liberty, by Israeli Air Force jet fighter aircraft and Israeli Navy torpedo boats, on June 8, 1967, during the Six-Day War.[2]

"The combined air and sea attack killed 34 crew members (naval officers, seamen, two Marines, and one civilian), wounded 170 crew members, and severely damaged the ship.[3]

"At the time, the ship was in international waters north of the Sinai Peninsula, about 25.5 nmi (29.3 mi; 47.2 km) northwest from the Egyptian city of Arish.[1]

While several different governmental investigations have focused on aspects of the attack, Israel's deliberate assault on the US naval vessel represents the only crime of its kind never investigated by the full US Congress.

And it's one more crime that will never be redressed as long as US voters continue "choosing" between Republican or Democrat in the voting booth.

USS Liberty incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[JRK]

Let's invade Israel! They are conspiring against the American people, the US Constitution, statutes, and land:

"Israel may have the right to put others on trial, but certainly no one has the right to put the Jewish people and the State of Israel on trial."
-- Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, 25 March, 2001 quoted in BBC News Online

Ariel Sharon, Prime Minister of Israel (date undetermined, in an Israeli cabinet meeting):

"Don't worry, we [Israel] control the United States."

(In response to concerns raised by another cabinet member about Sharon's ["the butcher of Beirut"] invasion and brutality in the West Bank.)

RACIST ZIONIST QUOTES : Indybay

Let's go get that King of Bahrain! Like Saddam, he's this Sunni tyrant, ruling a Shiite majority, but he's propped up by the Americans, since the US 5th Fleet is over there. He's killing all kinds of people.

We'd better go get Bashar Assad, Jerkoff. Except there's a Russian base over there, in Syria.

From Snoop Doggy-Dogg: "A lie ain't a side of a story. It's just a lie." -from a USMB sig.

While we're at it, how about electing a congress willing to investigate Israel's assault on Liberty?

"The USS Liberty incident was an attack on a United States Navy technical research ship, USS Liberty, by Israeli Air Force jet fighter aircraft and Israeli Navy torpedo boats, on June 8, 1967, during the Six-Day War.[2]

"The combined air and sea attack killed 34 crew members (naval officers, seamen, two Marines, and one civilian), wounded 170 crew members, and severely damaged the ship.[3]

"At the time, the ship was in international waters north of the Sinai Peninsula, about 25.5 nmi (29.3 mi; 47.2 km) northwest from the Egyptian city of Arish.[1]

While several different governmental investigations have focused on aspects of the attack, Israel's deliberate assault on the US naval vessel represents the only crime of its kind never investigated by the full US Congress.

And it's one more crime that will never be redressed as long as US voters continue "choosing" between Republican or Democrat in the voting booth.

USS Liberty incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You want to start a thread about that event, be my guest
Not here
These events had 0 to do with Saddam,
Al Qaeda
Weapons
Anthrax
Hans Blix 2003 speech, 1-27-2003
yellow cake
Kuwait
Millions murdered
Millions tortured
Millions raped
Paying terrorist to commit suicide and kill innocent people
Saddam Pays 25K for Palestinian Bombers | Fox News
The men at the top table then opened Saddam's checkbook and, as the names of 47 martyrs were called, family representatives went up to sign for checks written in U.S. dollars.

Those of two suicide bombers were the first to be paid the new rate of $25,000 U.S. and those whose relatives had died in other clashes with the Israeli military were given $10,000 U.S. each.

The $500,000 U.S. doled out in this impoverished community yesterday means that the besieged Iraqi leader now has contributed more than $10 million to grieving Palestinian families since the new intifada began 18 months ago.

 

[georgephillip]

In 1948 one third of the citizens of Mandate Palestine imposed a Jewish State by force of arms on the majority of their countrymen and women. 700,000 Arabs and others were purged from land their families had lived on for generations; there would have been no need for Saddam to pay "martyrs benefits" if the Jewish occupation of Palestine hadn't been supported by the same interests who supported the US occupation of Iraq. Your government sends its hired killers half way around the world to maim, murder and displace millions of innocent Muslims. Clean your own house before you worry about Saddam's.

 

[jack113]

Let's invade Israel! They are conspiring against the American people, the US Constitution, statutes, and land:

"Israel may have the right to put others on trial, but certainly no one has the right to put the Jewish people and the State of Israel on trial."
-- Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, 25 March, 2001 quoted in BBC News Online

Ariel Sharon, Prime Minister of Israel (date undetermined, in an Israeli cabinet meeting):

"Don't worry, we [Israel] control the United States."

(In response to concerns raised by another cabinet member about Sharon's ["the butcher of Beirut"] invasion and brutality in the West Bank.)

RACIST ZIONIST QUOTES : Indybay

Let's go get that King of Bahrain! Like Saddam, he's this Sunni tyrant, ruling a Shiite majority, but he's propped up by the Americans, since the US 5th Fleet is over there. He's killing all kinds of people.

We'd better go get Bashar Assad, Jerkoff. Except there's a Russian base over there, in Syria.

From Snoop Doggy-Dogg: "A lie ain't a side of a story. It's just a lie." -from a USMB sig.

While we're at it, how about electing a congress willing to investigate Israel's assault on Liberty?

"The USS Liberty incident was an attack on a United States Navy technical research ship, USS Liberty, by Israeli Air Force jet fighter aircraft and Israeli Navy torpedo boats, on June 8, 1967, during the Six-Day War.[2]

"The combined air and sea attack killed 34 crew members (naval officers, seamen, two Marines, and one civilian), wounded 170 crew members, and severely damaged the ship.[3]

"At the time, the ship was in international waters north of the Sinai Peninsula, about 25.5 nmi (29.3 mi; 47.2 km) northwest from the Egyptian city of Arish.[1]

While several different governmental investigations have focused on aspects of the attack, Israel's deliberate assault on the US naval vessel represents the only crime of its kind never investigated by the full US Congress.

And it's one more crime that will never be redressed as long as US voters continue "choosing" between Republican or Democrat in the voting booth.

USS Liberty incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You want to start a thread about that event, be my guest
Not here
These events had 0 to do with Saddam,
Al Qaeda
Weapons
Anthrax
Hans Blix 2003 speech, 1-27-2003
yellow cake
Kuwait
Millions murdered
Millions tortured
Millions raped
Paying terrorist to commit suicide and kill innocent people
Saddam Pays 25K for Palestinian Bombers | Fox News
The men at the top table then opened Saddam's checkbook and, as the names of 47 martyrs were called, family representatives went up to sign for checks written in U.S. dollars.

Those of two suicide bombers were the first to be paid the new rate of $25,000 U.S. and those whose relatives had died in other clashes with the Israeli military were given $10,000 U.S. each.

The $500,000 U.S. doled out in this impoverished community yesterday means that the besieged Iraqi leader now has contributed more than $10 million to grieving Palestinian families since the new intifada began 18 months ago.

Why would anyone want to make a phony claim that Iraq was a success? Bush lied his way through the whole ting with the help of Powell, Rumsfeld, Cheney and the rest of his axis of evil. The Murder of over a million innocent people many which were children is an act of terrorism as well as cowardess.

Iraq was just one of the many blood for oil wars supported by nothing but cowards that think war are fought on their Nintendo.

 

[Mac1958]

.

I notice JRK is still avoiding the horrific price our soldiers and their families have paid and will continue to pay for the rest of their lives.

Perhaps one of our neocon friends can help him with some spin. And be sure to include how he "supports the troops" in there somewhere.

.

 

[BlackAsCoal]

1) REMOVE SADDAM
DONE
2) STABILIZE COUNTRY
DONE
3) HAVE A REPUBLIC BORN OF THESE EVENTS
DONE

Am missing something here?

Are you missing anything???

How about Iraq was a stable country before the idiot cowboys invaded .. must more stable than it is now?

How about the fact that Iraq is now firmly in the hands of Iran?

Iran steps in to prop up Iraq's Maliki
Iran steps in to prop up Iraq's Maliki - UPI.com

How about Iran is the country who duped the idiot cowboys into attacking Iraq in the first place and removing Saddam, their arch enemy?

How about most of the oil contracts went to CHINA?

How about this ...

Bomb hits Shi'ite site in Baghdad, 26 killed
Bomb hits Shi'ite site in Baghdad, 26 killed | Reuters

How about this ...

Police: Suicide attack kills 18 in Iraq
Police: Suicide attack kills 18 in Iraq - CNN

There is a HELL of a lot that you are missing ... along with the trillions of dollars missing from the US Treasury wasted on a failed cowboy adventure.

 

[JRK]

In 1948 one third of the citizens of Mandate Palestine imposed a Jewish State by force of arms on the majority of their countrymen and women. 700,000 Arabs and others were purged from land their families had lived on for generations; there would have been no need for Saddam to pay "martyrs benefits" if the Jewish occupation of Palestine hadn't been supported by the same interests who supported the US occupation of Iraq. Your government sends its hired killers half way around the world to maim, murder and displace millions of innocent Muslims. Clean your own house before you worry about Saddam's.

Muslims are killing Muslims
If not we would have 0 issues
Al Qaeda went to Iraq to set up base prior to invasion
Saddam invaded Kuwait 1991, he got his ass kicked, he surrendered, he agreed to terms that he later ignored

And killed millions of Muslims

The coalition that went into Iraq went there to clean up a mess that began in the 70s

 

[JRK]

While we're at it, how about electing a congress willing to investigate Israel's assault on Liberty?

"The USS Liberty incident was an attack on a United States Navy technical research ship, USS Liberty, by Israeli Air Force jet fighter aircraft and Israeli Navy torpedo boats, on June 8, 1967, during the Six-Day War.[2]

"The combined air and sea attack killed 34 crew members (naval officers, seamen, two Marines, and one civilian), wounded 170 crew members, and severely damaged the ship.[3]

"At the time, the ship was in international waters north of the Sinai Peninsula, about 25.5 nmi (29.3 mi; 47.2 km) northwest from the Egyptian city of Arish.[1]

While several different governmental investigations have focused on aspects of the attack, Israel's deliberate assault on the US naval vessel represents the only crime of its kind never investigated by the full US Congress.

And it's one more crime that will never be redressed as long as US voters continue "choosing" between Republican or Democrat in the voting booth.

USS Liberty incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You want to start a thread about that event, be my guest
Not here
These events had 0 to do with Saddam,
Al Qaeda
Weapons
Anthrax
Hans Blix 2003 speech, 1-27-2003
yellow cake
Kuwait
Millions murdered
Millions tortured
Millions raped
Paying terrorist to commit suicide and kill innocent people
Saddam Pays 25K for Palestinian Bombers | Fox News
The men at the top table then opened Saddam's checkbook and, as the names of 47 martyrs were called, family representatives went up to sign for checks written in U.S. dollars.

Those of two suicide bombers were the first to be paid the new rate of $25,000 U.S. and those whose relatives had died in other clashes with the Israeli military were given $10,000 U.S. each.

The $500,000 U.S. doled out in this impoverished community yesterday means that the besieged Iraqi leader now has contributed more than $10 million to grieving Palestinian families since the new intifada began 18 months ago.

Why would anyone want to make a phony claim that Iraq was a success? Bush lied his way through the whole ting with the help of Powell, Rumsfeld, Cheney and the rest of his axis of evil. The Murder of over a million innocent people many which were children is an act of terrorism as well as cowardess.

Iraq was just one of the many blood for oil wars supported by nothing but cowards that think war are fought on their Nintendo.

I do not know where you guys get this 1 million number
Saddam is the only one who killed that many and as far as any-one being killed after we invaded?
Al Qaeda as well as Saddam loyalist killed, not the coalition
You ever heard of ROE? might want to do some DD on it
One last item, there was 6 million violent crimes in US last year, why are they different than the 100,000 murdered by Al Qaeda and Saddam loyalist in the 10 years of war that where just as innocent as most of the 6 million in the US?

Why is that?

 

[kaz]

In 1948 one third of the citizens of Mandate Palestine imposed a Jewish State by force of arms on the majority of their countrymen and women. 700,000 Arabs and others were purged from land their families had lived on for generations; there would have been no need for Saddam to pay "martyrs benefits" if the Jewish occupation of Palestine hadn't been supported by the same interests who supported the US occupation of Iraq. Your government sends its hired killers half way around the world to maim, murder and displace millions of innocent Muslims. Clean your own house before you worry about Saddam's.

Wow, I oppose the US military presence in the Middle East and I don't think the US government should be giving aid to Israel (or anyone else). I'd prefer you're not on my side, thank you very much.

BTW, the tin foil on your head is slipping off a tad, I think Bush might be able to read your thoughts right now, better tighten it up before he locates you and sends his evil army of flying kangaroos to assassinate you for knowing what he's up to in his secret bunker.

 

[JRK]

1) REMOVE SADDAM
DONE
2) STABILIZE COUNTRY
DONE
3) HAVE A REPUBLIC BORN OF THESE EVENTS
DONE

Am missing something here?

Are you missing anything???

How about Iraq was a stable country before the idiot cowboys invaded .. must more stable than it is now?

How about the fact that Iraq is now firmly in the hands of Iran?

Iran steps in to prop up Iraq's Maliki
Iran steps in to prop up Iraq's Maliki - UPI.com

How about Iran is the country who duped the idiot cowboys into attacking Iraq in the first place and removing Saddam, their arch enemy?

How about most of the oil contracts went to CHINA?

How about this ...

Bomb hits Shi'ite site in Baghdad, 26 killed
Bomb hits Shi'ite site in Baghdad, 26 killed | Reuters

How about this ...

Police: Suicide attack kills 18 in Iraq
Police: Suicide attack kills 18 in Iraq - CNN

There is a HELL of a lot that you are missing ... along with the trillions of dollars missing from the US Treasury wasted on a failed cowboy adventure.

In 2007 we had a deficit of 163 billion
in 2010 it was 1.5 trillion with an addition of 1 trillion in spending from 2007 that had 0 to do with any war


There was the house by well over 2/3 rds majority
The senate, same
The will of the people, same
The President
Hans Blix made his case for the UN, 1-27-2003 and then tried to back track when they realized The 34 countries that went and enforced those resolutions meant business

This was no Cowboy event, it took 18 months of begging to Saddam post 9-11 to give up on Saddam doing the right thing

BTW, 6 million people where victims of violent crimes in the US 2010
Iran had nothing to do with that either

 

[bobgnote]

JRK, all you and your former supporter Tardzerk proved is with that lying Iraqi informant, GW Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and the DOD had the support of liars, at least one retard, and whatever mad-dogs were running around.

To you, killing and despoliation is some sort of positive outcome, to a CIA-generated nuisance, which GHW Bush could have solved, but didn't, so now, you are some sort of demented apologist, who is too stupid, to add up horrendous costs, of a circle-jerk, brought full circle, by GW Bush's lies and other misconduct. You need some therapy. And learn to write.