GOP Plan - create the same success in Libya that we had in Iraq

[rdean]

The GOP is seeing Libya as another "golden opportunity" to create another democracy along the lines of their "wild" success in Iraq.

The first question is, "Is forcing women into wearing "burkes" the first step in Middle Eastern democracy?" Of course not. Republican policies didn't make a "democratic Iraq", they make a twin to Iran.

How long before Sunni governments in the Middle East begin to take action against the American Right Wing created Shiite government in Iraq?

And now we are watching John McCain and other Republican leaders crying out for us to bomb Libyan airports to create a "no fly zone". Why does Republican foreign policy always revolve around "bombs"? Their single economic policy is "cut taxes" and their single foreign policy is "Bomb, bomb, bomb-----bomb bomb Iran". That's it. Every problem has a single solution.

As the 8 year Iraq/Iran war taught us, for those who paid attention, right wing Islamic leaders will use woman and children as "shields" against the enemy.

Can you imagine a single American bomb hitting civilians and then endless photos of women and children dead with the caption, "Americans kill our children for oil". Can there be any better way of uniting the Middle East against America?

Worse, John McCain ASSUMES the "insurgents" want democracy. They didn't in Iraq. Read the Iraqi constitution - there it is in bold, black and white. How long are our Sunni allies going to let the GOP blunder? Before they cut off all oil in an attempt to just "make us go away"?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The GOP is seeing Libya as another "golden opportunity" to create another democracy along the lines of their "wild" success in Iraq.

The first question is, "Is forcing women into wearing "burkes" the first step in Middle Eastern democracy?" Of course not. Republican policies didn't make a "democratic Iraq", they make a twin to Iran.

How long before Sunni governments in the Middle East begin to take action against the American Right Wing created Shiite government in Iraq?

And now we are watching John McCain and other Republican leaders crying out for us to bomb Libyan airports to create a "no fly zone". Why does Republican foreign policy always revolve around "bombs"? Their single economic policy is "cut taxes" and their single foreign policy is "Bomb, bomb, bomb-----bomb bomb Iran". That's it. Every problem has a single solution.

As the 8 year Iraq/Iran war taught us, for those who paid attention, right wing Islamic leaders will use woman and children as "shields" against the enemy.

Can you imagine a single American bomb hitting civilians and then endless photos of women and children dead with the caption, "Americans kill our children for oil". Can there be any better way of uniting the Middle East against America?

Worse, John McCain ASSUMES the "insurgents" want democracy. They didn't in Iraq. Read the Iraqi constitution - there it is in bold, black and white. How long are our Sunni allies going to let the GOP blunder? Before they cut off all oil in an attempt to just "make us go away"?

Huh?

If we set up a no fly zone we will only be shooting at Libyan planes that are bombing those civilians you claim you care about. Should I point out that John Kerry is one of the Senators calling for a no fly zone? Is he being duped by the lies Bush told about WMDs in Libya again?

Or is it remotely possible that you are a complete idiot?

3 senators call for no-fly zone over Libya - The Denver Post

 

[martybegan]

The GOP is seeing Libya as another "golden opportunity" to create another democracy along the lines of their "wild" success in Iraq.

The first question is, "Is forcing women into wearing "burkes" the first step in Middle Eastern democracy?" Of course not. Republican policies didn't make a "democratic Iraq", they make a twin to Iran.

How long before Sunni governments in the Middle East begin to take action against the American Right Wing created Shiite government in Iraq?

And now we are watching John McCain and other Republican leaders crying out for us to bomb Libyan airports to create a "no fly zone". Why does Republican foreign policy always revolve around "bombs"? Their single economic policy is "cut taxes" and their single foreign policy is "Bomb, bomb, bomb-----bomb bomb Iran". That's it. Every problem has a single solution.

As the 8 year Iraq/Iran war taught us, for those who paid attention, right wing Islamic leaders will use woman and children as "shields" against the enemy.

Can you imagine a single American bomb hitting civilians and then endless photos of women and children dead with the caption, "Americans kill our children for oil". Can there be any better way of uniting the Middle East against America?

Worse, John McCain ASSUMES the "insurgents" want democracy. They didn't in Iraq. Read the Iraqi constitution - there it is in bold, black and white. How long are our Sunni allies going to let the GOP blunder? Before they cut off all oil in an attempt to just "make us go away"?

Huh?

If we set up a no fly zone we will only be shooting at Libyan planes that are bombing those civilians you claim you care about. Should I point out that John Kerry is one of the Senators calling for a no fly zone? Is he being duped by the lies Bush told about WMDs in Libya again?

Or is it remotely possible that you are a complete idiot?

3 senators call for no-fly zone over Libya - The Denver Post

A no fly zone would also require taking out SAM and AA sites, and this runs the risk of civilian casualties. That and the flaming carcasses of the libyan aircraft that attempt to take on our fighters have to crash somewhere.

I also wouldn't put it past the bastard to have civilians right near his AA/SAM sites.

Not an argument against a NFZ, but just some things to think about.

And I would agree, the OP might be a bit daft.

 

[Avatar4321]

Exactly what GOP members are calling for us to turn Libya into a Democracy?

Calling for a no fly zone is hardly a declaration of war against Libya. We had a no fly zone in Iraq for over a decade before we invaded in 2003.

Personally, I dont think we should be getting involved at all. But it's clearly a bipartisan call. And not nearly what you are claiming it to be rdean. Do you have a problem with being honest about things? Or are you just such a partisan hack that youd lie for no reason if you thought it would make the GOP looks bad?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The GOP is seeing Libya as another "golden opportunity" to create another democracy along the lines of their "wild" success in Iraq.

The first question is, "Is forcing women into wearing "burkes" the first step in Middle Eastern democracy?" Of course not. Republican policies didn't make a "democratic Iraq", they make a twin to Iran.

How long before Sunni governments in the Middle East begin to take action against the American Right Wing created Shiite government in Iraq?

And now we are watching John McCain and other Republican leaders crying out for us to bomb Libyan airports to create a "no fly zone". Why does Republican foreign policy always revolve around "bombs"? Their single economic policy is "cut taxes" and their single foreign policy is "Bomb, bomb, bomb-----bomb bomb Iran". That's it. Every problem has a single solution.

As the 8 year Iraq/Iran war taught us, for those who paid attention, right wing Islamic leaders will use woman and children as "shields" against the enemy.

Can you imagine a single American bomb hitting civilians and then endless photos of women and children dead with the caption, "Americans kill our children for oil". Can there be any better way of uniting the Middle East against America?

Worse, John McCain ASSUMES the "insurgents" want democracy. They didn't in Iraq. Read the Iraqi constitution - there it is in bold, black and white. How long are our Sunni allies going to let the GOP blunder? Before they cut off all oil in an attempt to just "make us go away"?

Huh?

If we set up a no fly zone we will only be shooting at Libyan planes that are bombing those civilians you claim you care about. Should I point out that John Kerry is one of the Senators calling for a no fly zone? Is he being duped by the lies Bush told about WMDs in Libya again?

Or is it remotely possible that you are a complete idiot?

3 senators call for no-fly zone over Libya - The Denver Post

A no fly zone would also require taking out SAM and AA sites, and this runs the risk of civilian casualties. That and the flaming carcasses of the libyan aircraft that attempt to take on our fighters have to crash somewhere.

I also wouldn't put it past the bastard to have civilians right near his AA/SAM sites.

Not an argument against a NFZ, but just some things to think about.

And I would agree, the OP might be a bit daft.

It is quite true that we might hit civilians deliberately put in harms way if we do take out SAM/AA sites, but the risk of doing so accidentally is pretty small. HARMs go directly after the RADAR, nit the missiles themselves.

 

[rdean]

The GOP is seeing Libya as another "golden opportunity" to create another democracy along the lines of their "wild" success in Iraq.

The first question is, "Is forcing women into wearing "burkes" the first step in Middle Eastern democracy?" Of course not. Republican policies didn't make a "democratic Iraq", they make a twin to Iran.

How long before Sunni governments in the Middle East begin to take action against the American Right Wing created Shiite government in Iraq?

And now we are watching John McCain and other Republican leaders crying out for us to bomb Libyan airports to create a "no fly zone". Why does Republican foreign policy always revolve around "bombs"? Their single economic policy is "cut taxes" and their single foreign policy is "Bomb, bomb, bomb-----bomb bomb Iran". That's it. Every problem has a single solution.

As the 8 year Iraq/Iran war taught us, for those who paid attention, right wing Islamic leaders will use woman and children as "shields" against the enemy.

Can you imagine a single American bomb hitting civilians and then endless photos of women and children dead with the caption, "Americans kill our children for oil". Can there be any better way of uniting the Middle East against America?

Worse, John McCain ASSUMES the "insurgents" want democracy. They didn't in Iraq. Read the Iraqi constitution - there it is in bold, black and white. How long are our Sunni allies going to let the GOP blunder? Before they cut off all oil in an attempt to just "make us go away"?

Huh?

If we set up a no fly zone we will only be shooting at Libyan planes that are bombing those civilians you claim you care about. Should I point out that John Kerry is one of the Senators calling for a no fly zone? Is he being duped by the lies Bush told about WMDs in Libya again?

Or is it remotely possible that you are a complete idiot?

3 senators call for no-fly zone over Libya - The Denver Post

Two Republicans and John Kerry who said, ""Well, that's actually not the only option for what one could do," Kerry said on CBS's "Face the Nation." "One could crater the airports and the runways and leave them incapable of using them for a period of time."

Kerry hasn't been known for being the brightest bulb on the shelf.

The US using more bombs in the ME is the fastest way possible of "uniting" the ME. Funny, how US bombs always seem to find a few Arab families that end up in endless pictures on al Jazeera.

 

[rdean]

Exactly what GOP members are calling for us to turn Libya into a Democracy?

Calling for a no fly zone is hardly a declaration of war against Libya. We had a no fly zone in Iraq for over a decade before we invaded in 2003.

Personally, I dont think we should be getting involved at all. But it's clearly a bipartisan call. And not nearly what you are claiming it to be rdean. Do you have a problem with being honest about things? Or are you just such a partisan hack that youd lie for no reason if you thought it would make the GOP looks bad?

All of them?

If you watch the Republican leadership (as well as some Democrats), they are convinced that the "insurgents" in Libya want democracy. We already made that mistake in Iraq.

When American's left Iran, the Iranians put the Ayatollah into power. They made "Islam" the "National Religion" and created a government where "all legislation is based in Islam".

Flash forward to the Republicans working with the Iraqi's who write into their constitution:

Article 2:

First: Islam is the official religion of the State and it is a fundamental source of legislation:

A. No law that contradicts the established provisions of Islam may be established.

Then Iraq puts it's women into Burkes and makes them virtual slaves.

Sure, there are "some" in the Middle East who want democracy. But only "some".

 

[Jroc]

I don't see many people calling for us to get involved. I don't think we should. Let the Europeans do it, we're over extended

 

[Vel]

Exactly what GOP members are calling for us to turn Libya into a Democracy?

Calling for a no fly zone is hardly a declaration of war against Libya. We had a no fly zone in Iraq for over a decade before we invaded in 2003.

Personally, I dont think we should be getting involved at all. But it's clearly a bipartisan call. And not nearly what you are claiming it to be rdean. Do you have a problem with being honest about things? Or are you just such a partisan hack that youd lie for no reason if you thought it would make the GOP looks bad?

All of them?

If you watch the Republican leadership (as well as some Democrats), they are convinced that the "insurgents" in Libya want democracy. We already made that mistake in Iraq.

When American's left Iran, the Iranians put the Ayatollah into power. They made "Islam" the "National Religion" and created a government where "all legislation is based in Islam".

Flash forward to the Republicans working with the Iraqi's who write into their constitution:

Article 2:

First: Islam is the official religion of the State and it is a fundamental source of legislation:

A. No law that contradicts the established provisions of Islam may be established.

Then Iraq puts it's women into Burkes and makes them virtual slaves.

Sure, there are "some" in the Middle East who want democracy. But only "some".

I seem to recall that it was a spineless Democrat in the Whitehouse when the Ayatollah came to power. No need to worry about that now. After all we have a...uh...uh... Holy Crap!, we have ANOTHER spineless Democrat in the Whitehouse. No wonder you're worried rdean.

 

[del]

The GOP is seeing Libya as another "golden opportunity" to create another democracy along the lines of their "wild" success in Iraq.

The first question is, "Is forcing women into wearing "burkes" the first step in Middle Eastern democracy?" Of course not. Republican policies didn't make a "democratic Iraq", they make a twin to Iran.

How long before Sunni governments in the Middle East begin to take action against the American Right Wing created Shiite government in Iraq?

And now we are watching John McCain and other Republican leaders crying out for us to bomb Libyan airports to create a "no fly zone". Why does Republican foreign policy always revolve around "bombs"? Their single economic policy is "cut taxes" and their single foreign policy is "Bomb, bomb, bomb-----bomb bomb Iran". That's it. Every problem has a single solution.

As the 8 year Iraq/Iran war taught us, for those who paid attention, right wing Islamic leaders will use woman and children as "shields" against the enemy.

Can you imagine a single American bomb hitting civilians and then endless photos of women and children dead with the caption, "Americans kill our children for oil". Can there be any better way of uniting the Middle East against America?

Worse, John McCain ASSUMES the "insurgents" want democracy. They didn't in Iraq. Read the Iraqi constitution - there it is in bold, black and white. How long are our Sunni allies going to let the GOP blunder? Before they cut off all oil in an attempt to just "make us go away"?

Huh?

If we set up a no fly zone we will only be shooting at Libyan planes that are bombing those civilians you claim you care about. Should I point out that John Kerry is one of the Senators calling for a no fly zone? Is he being duped by the lies Bush told about WMDs in Libya again?

Or is it remotely possible that you are a complete idiot?

3 senators call for no-fly zone over Libya - The Denver Post

Two Republicans and John Kerry who said, ""Well, that's actually not the only option for what one could do," Kerry said on CBS's "Face the Nation." "One could crater the airports and the runways and leave them incapable of using them for a period of time."

Kerry hasn't been known for being the brightest bulb on the shelf.

The US using more bombs in the ME is the fastest way possible of "uniting" the ME. Funny, how US bombs always seem to find a few Arab families that end up in endless pictures on al Jazeera.

so who did you vote for in 2004?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The GOP is seeing Libya as another "golden opportunity" to create another democracy along the lines of their "wild" success in Iraq.

The first question is, "Is forcing women into wearing "burkes" the first step in Middle Eastern democracy?" Of course not. Republican policies didn't make a "democratic Iraq", they make a twin to Iran.

How long before Sunni governments in the Middle East begin to take action against the American Right Wing created Shiite government in Iraq?

And now we are watching John McCain and other Republican leaders crying out for us to bomb Libyan airports to create a "no fly zone". Why does Republican foreign policy always revolve around "bombs"? Their single economic policy is "cut taxes" and their single foreign policy is "Bomb, bomb, bomb-----bomb bomb Iran". That's it. Every problem has a single solution.

As the 8 year Iraq/Iran war taught us, for those who paid attention, right wing Islamic leaders will use woman and children as "shields" against the enemy.

Can you imagine a single American bomb hitting civilians and then endless photos of women and children dead with the caption, "Americans kill our children for oil". Can there be any better way of uniting the Middle East against America?

Worse, John McCain ASSUMES the "insurgents" want democracy. They didn't in Iraq. Read the Iraqi constitution - there it is in bold, black and white. How long are our Sunni allies going to let the GOP blunder? Before they cut off all oil in an attempt to just "make us go away"?

Huh?

If we set up a no fly zone we will only be shooting at Libyan planes that are bombing those civilians you claim you care about. Should I point out that John Kerry is one of the Senators calling for a no fly zone? Is he being duped by the lies Bush told about WMDs in Libya again?

Or is it remotely possible that you are a complete idiot?

3 senators call for no-fly zone over Libya - The Denver Post

Two Republicans and John Kerry who said, ""Well, that's actually not the only option for what one could do," Kerry said on CBS's "Face the Nation." "One could crater the airports and the runways and leave them incapable of using them for a period of time."

Kerry hasn't been known for being the brightest bulb on the shelf.

The US using more bombs in the ME is the fastest way possible of "uniting" the ME. Funny, how US bombs always seem to find a few Arab families that end up in endless pictures on al Jazeera.

You never learn, do you?

St. Louis Beacon - As Libya burns with protests, some urge U.S. action, others caution

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Exactly what GOP members are calling for us to turn Libya into a Democracy?

Calling for a no fly zone is hardly a declaration of war against Libya. We had a no fly zone in Iraq for over a decade before we invaded in 2003.

Personally, I dont think we should be getting involved at all. But it's clearly a bipartisan call. And not nearly what you are claiming it to be rdean. Do you have a problem with being honest about things? Or are you just such a partisan hack that youd lie for no reason if you thought it would make the GOP looks bad?

All of them?

If you watch the Republican leadership (as well as some Democrats), they are convinced that the "insurgents" in Libya want democracy. We already made that mistake in Iraq.

When American's left Iran, the Iranians put the Ayatollah into power. They made "Islam" the "National Religion" and created a government where "all legislation is based in Islam".

Flash forward to the Republicans working with the Iraqi's who write into their constitution:

Article 2:

First: Islam is the official religion of the State and it is a fundamental source of legislation:

A. No law that contradicts the established provisions of Islam may be established.

Then Iraq puts it's women into Burkes and makes them virtual slaves.

Sure, there are "some" in the Middle East who want democracy. But only "some".

Before I go any further here, I do not believe in unicorns or luck dragons, nor do I believe that everyone in the world wants a democracy.

That said, I do believe that the people in Libya have the right to make their own choices, and they are obviously choosing to get rid of a tyrant. I fully support them in that decision, even if they end up choosing another tyrant.

What I think is incredibly stupid is Obama's decision to dither around, talk about options, and hope that he will come out looking intelligent because he did not get involved. He just looks up looking indecisive, and has actually managed to alienate more people than Bush ever did with his cowboy diplomacy. People might not have liked John Wayne, but they always admired him. No one, on the other hand, either likes, or admires, Caspar Milquetoast.