Why Ukraine needs Russia more than ever

[Stratford57]

Nowhere in Ukraine is plunder more prevalent than the plunder going on in Donetsk. Literal plunder. They are stripping the copper and other metals out of buildings, stealing factory equipment and anything they can find of value and have turned that area into a shithole. Anyone who could leave has gone. The area is suffering without running water, electric, medical facilities, sewage pipes and treatment plants, etc. in large sections, if not most of them.

Camp, I agree with you this time. The people of Donbass are living in very tough conditions( thanks to current Ukrainian rulers). When they were voting for separation from Ukraine during the referendum in May, 2014, they were hoping to repeat the fate of Crimea: to have a referendum and to return to Russia. In fact, I was present on anti-Junta protesting demonstrations in one of the Eastern cities of Ukraine, when on April 6th our leaders announced: “In Donetsk and Lugansk the protesters have captured Administration building!” Since the referendum we all were expecting Putin to recognize Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics, however he never did that (we still don’t understand why).

However official Kiev sent its troops to Donbass and started all out war with its own people (when you look at the map of Ukraine,posted below, it’s easy to see: not Donbass people [right red spot on the map] came to Kiev [in the middle of the map] to capture it, but it was Kiev, who came to Donbass to suppress the protests (let’s not forget how protestors in Odessa were burnt alive on May,2 2014!). As a result of this war thousands of people (from both sides) have been killed and almost a million Donbass residents fled to Russia. And Kiev has stopped all the payments and food/medical supplies for Donbass. Russia is the only country which keeps sending humanitarian convoys to Donbass people (50 convoys!).
Kyiv suspends payment of pensions in militant-held Donbas
Russia sends 50th 'humanitarian convoy' to Donbas
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"The UN report cites Kiev's unwillingness to investigate civilians' killings on Maidan and in Odesa. There are reiterated claims to punish those guilty and again there is no distinct reaction from the Ukrainian 'democratic' authorities to the demands to stop serious human rights violations and to punish criminals," Konstantin Dolgov, a special representative for human rights at Russia’s Foreign Ministry, wrote on his Twitter page.

On May 2, 2014, pro-Kiev radicals blocked anti-government protesters in Odesa's House of Trade Unions and set the building on fire by hurling Molotov cocktails inside. The tragic incident left some 50 people dead while the overall number of casualties exceeded 250.
Kiev Ignores UN Appeals to Investigate Maidan, Odessa Massacres

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For those who did not follow events at the time, the coup in Kiev was a Washington/NATO-backed regime-change operation with US Khazarian mafia proxies and associated loons, including Victoria Nuland and the vacuous John McCain, up to their elbows in the blood and tears of a nation.

Since then, predictably, things have not gone too well for Ukraine as tends to happen for countries touched by Washington's kiss of death.

The Russian speaking more-than-half of the country took none too kindly to their country being taken over by neo-Nazi yobs and American-backed (or just plain American) bankster oligarchs and swiftly rose in a revolt that has been tearing the country apart ever since.

The residents of Crimea voted overwhelmingly to rejoin Russia (to which it used to belong until the Communists gave it to Ukraine). The Crimean Parliament then duly announced its secession from Ukraine and re-entry into the embrace of Mother Russia, where it rightly figured the Crimean people would be a lot safer and more prosperous. Russia backed that up with military muscle just in case the strutting clowns in Kiev got any funny ideas about ignoring the will of the people in the true tradition of Western-style democracy and snatched it back again.
Steve Cook Writer: Kiev understandably embarrassed by French documentary that lets the cat out of the bag over the Maidan coup.

 

[PK1]

Nowhere in Ukraine is plunder more prevalent than the plunder going on in Donetsk. Literal plunder. They are stripping the copper and other metals out of buildings, stealing factory equipment and anything they can find of value and have turned that area into a shithole. Anyone who could leave has gone. The area is suffering without running water, electric, medical facilities, sewage pipes and treatment plants, etc. in large sections, if not most of them.

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That travesty reminds me of ethnic cleansing.
Although there are/were many ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine (esp Donbas region), Ukrainians were still the majority and the populations there did not want to divide Ukraine (circa early 2014).
With Putin's help, the Donbas Russian extremists made sure that war would ruin those areas; if they can't take over and remove the Ukrainians, then plunder the land, as you indicated.
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[PK1]

Your reference to that lame, fringe communist blogger Stephen Lendman is even more stupid than using RT one-sided references. He's irrational; calls both H.Clinton as well as Cruz "neo-con". He appears to be a Muslim sympathizer, yet he says he's "democratic"! LOL. He kisses Putin's ass like you do (does he also get paid by Kremlin?), yet he has no idea what freedom-less social system Soviet communism represents!
If Lendman loves Putin's authoritarian nazi-style Russia where freedom of speech/books is restricted, where criticizing Putin's Kremlin is not allowed (you get imprisoned or killed), then why does Lendman not get his irrational ass over to Moscow & live there?
LOL!
So, you have nothing negative to say about Putin and current Russian lifestyle, and that's why lots of people are trying to immigrate to Russia nowadays ... instead of USA or Europe?? No??
LOLROTF !!!
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Russia Scholar Stephen F. Cohen

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By ignoring my simple request to exercise your memory and provide those "several" USMB names that i registered, as you claimed, you have confirmed what a troller you are, aka full of shit.

At least Cohen is somewhat respectable (unlike Lendman), or he was. I wonder what happened to his objectivity as a former scholar (getting paid off?).
Here's a piece on Cohen from a balanced perspective ...

There is no question that eastern Ukraine is currently dealing with a human rights catastrophe. All evidence suggests that it is overwhelmingly the responsibility of the Russia-sponsored militants, though there is almost certainly wrongdoing on the part of Kiev as well. If, as Cohen charges, the Obama administration, the “hawks,” and the “establishment media” are covering up for Kiev for political reasons, the U.N. and the leading human rights groups would have to be complicit in this cover-up.

It is embarrassing to see Cohen—once a serious scholar whose work was praised by the likes of British historian Robert Conquest—sink to the level of repeating Russian misinformation ...

The Nation Just Published the Most Outrageous and Factually Erroneous Defense of Putin Yet

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[Sbiker]

Now we've got another advisor for unhappy Ukrainians about where they should move. ...

‘You should go to Liberia where the standard of living is much lower, and then you will be thankful.’

According to Gallup International, the standard of living in Ukraine is currently at its lowest level in all the years of conducted research. In 2015, 79 percent of Ukrainians considered themselves to be "poor."

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Continuing your tireless Kremlin PROPAGANDA again, i see. How much is Putin's FSB/SVR paying you nowadays, or do you work directly for RT?
Do you EVER have anything NEGATIVE to say about Putin and his Kremlin or business cronies?? Go ahead & try saying something negative about Putin, or will you lose your job?

Yeah, right, Russia under Putin is perfect, while there are only problems in not only Ukraine (once Kremlin lost control), but also US, Europe, & other Western countries. LOL!!!

Perhaps Putin should invite Condoleezza Rice to visit the Russian poor folks and also let them know how lucky they are not living in Liberia ... or North Korea, where freedom of speech is even more dangerous than in Putin's Russia! Then, they will feel better too.

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Instead of your Ukraine and US propaganda, Kremlin propaganda is much more positive - why not?

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Did RT (Kremlin propaganda outlet) cover this "positive" story? ...

Staff at Moscow’s Library of Ukrainian Literature joke they get more visits from officers of Russia’s internal security service, the FSB, than people wanting to take out books or use the reading room.

Russian investigators armed with machine guns raided the library, a modest building in central Moscow, in October, and confiscated what they said was “anti-Russian propaganda."

The library’s director, Natalya Sharina, has been under house arrest since October, accused of distributing extremist literature. Additionally, about half the librarians who work there have been summoned for questioning and at least two employees have had their apartments searched by law enforcement officers in early morning raids.

Sharina, 58, designated a political prisoner by Moscow-based human rights organization Memorial, has strongly denied the accusations against her and told Moscow’s Presensky District Court in January that her ongoing house arrest was an attempt to “break her emotionally or physically.”

‘We Are Worried About The Books’: Kremlin Targets Moscow’s Ukrainian Library

Positive news, yes?
At least she is not in North Korea where she would have been executed!
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What's wrong? Hitler's Mein Kampf forbidden in many countries as nazi literature. So, we are lawful state, we don't need any similar nazi literature from
this country:

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Nice try, but that was a stupid comment. Even if it was Mein Kampf that the Librarian had (it was not, unless planted by FSB with machine gun entry), so what? NO FREEDOM of expression in Putin's Russia?
Here in USA, no problem; we have the First Amendment , which is taken seriously.
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Without laws there can be no freedom.

I know, you don't understand it in your wild Ukraine with your anarchy traditions...

 

[Sbiker]

Your reference to that lame, fringe communist blogger Stephen Lendman is even more stupid than using RT one-sided references. He's irrational; calls both H.Clinton as well as Cruz "neo-con". He appears to be a Muslim sympathizer, yet he says he's "democratic"! LOL. He kisses Putin's ass like you do (does he also get paid by Kremlin?), yet he has no idea what freedom-less social system Soviet communism represents!
If Lendman loves Putin's authoritarian nazi-style Russia where freedom of speech/books is restricted, where criticizing Putin's Kremlin is not allowed (you get imprisoned or killed), then why does Lendman not get his irrational ass over to Moscow & live there?
LOL!
So, you have nothing negative to say about Putin and current Russian lifestyle, and that's why lots of people are trying to immigrate to Russia nowadays ... instead of USA or Europe?? No??
LOLROTF !!!
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PK, there is a good phrase from an old great Russian movie: ” If a person is a moron, it’s for a life time”. And when a person like you calls Stephen Lendman stupid, it sounds like a complement to him. In fact, I would be suspicious to a person whom you’d call smart. Thanks God, a lot of Americans don’t share your point of view, and Lendman is just one of many. I am posting a couple of more opinions just for the other readers, not for you, PK1: you’re just a waste of time. I don't care about your opinion and doesn't look like you too popular among other USMB members either.

1. Unlike you, many of your countrymen seem to be sick and tired of lies they’ve been hearing for years from their elites, who basically wanted to use the taxpayers’ money for their dirty purposes and to keep taxpayers silent at the same time. That’s why a tsunami of support has been raising for Trump, who is critical of the US role in Ukraine, and with a long history of skepticism toward what he regards as unnecessarily antagonistic US policy toward Moscow.

Trump has called Russian president Vladimir Putin “a bright and talented person” with whom he would “get along very well.” Putin is someone with whom the West can do business.
Donald Trump finally names his foreign policy advisers—including one who thinks the US can do business with Putin

2. Rethinking Russia: A Conversation With Russia Scholar Stephen F. Cohen
Even Henry Kissinger -- I think it was in March 2014 in the Washington Post -- wrote this line: "The demonization of Putin is not a policy. It's an alibi for not having a policy." And then I wrote in reply to that: That's right, but it's much worse than that, because it's also that the demonization of Putin is an obstacle to thinking rationally, having a rational discourse or debate about American national security. And it's not just this catastrophe in Ukraine and the new Cold War; it's from there to Syria to Afghanistan, to the proliferation of nuclear weapons, to fighting global terrorism. The demonization of Putin excludes a partner in the Kremlin that the U.S. needs, no matter who sits there.

And Cohen reminds us that, quite contrary to the common, manufactured perception in this country, we have a very willing and capable potential partner in Moscow right now. As Cohen explains, "Bill Clinton said this not too long ago: To the extent that he knew and dealt with Putin directly, he never knew him to say anything that he, Putin, didn't mean, or ever to go back on his word or break a promise he made to Clinton."
Rethinking Russia: A Conversation With Russia Scholar Stephen F. Cohen

PK, there is a good phrase from an old great Russian movie: ” If a person is a moron, it’s for a life time”.

But enough about you.

Or about someone else? From any place of world, including, for example, Chicago?

 

[Sonc]

However, if Ukraine is successful, it would be a slap on the face of Russian nationalistic-Nazi pride. There should be more ethical Russians like Boris Nemtsov, a rational physicist-politician murdered in Moscow by Putin's KGB-style nationalists for criticizing Putin's despotic authority. Murdered like Russian journalists who criticized Putin's regime.
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[Igrok_]

Wanted in the U.S., Dmitry Firtash Wants to End Exile

 

[Stratford57]

Yes, Russians should move out of Ukraine.

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Only the Russian nationalists should exit Ukraine where they are not wanted.
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Now we've got another advisor for unhappy Ukrainians about where they should move. ...

‘You should go to Liberia where the standard of living is much lower, and then you will be thankful.’

According to Gallup International, the standard of living in Ukraine is currently at its lowest level in all the years of conducted research. In 2015, 79 percent of Ukrainians considered themselves to be "poor."

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Continuing your tireless Kremlin PROPAGANDA again, i see. How much is Putin's FSB/SVR paying you nowadays, or do you work directly for RT?
Do you EVER have anything NEGATIVE to say about Putin and his Kremlin or business cronies?? Go ahead & try saying something negative about Putin, or will you lose your job?

Yeah, right, Russia under Putin is perfect, while there are only problems in not only Ukraine (once Kremlin lost control), but also US, Europe, & other Western countries. LOL!!!

Perhaps Putin should invite Condoleezza Rice to visit the Russian poor folks and also let them know how lucky they are not living in Liberia ... or North Korea, where freedom of speech is even more dangerous than in Putin's Russia! Then, they will feel better too.

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Instead of your Ukraine and US propaganda, Kremlin propaganda is much more positive - why not?

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Did RT (Kremlin propaganda outlet) cover this "positive" story? ...

Staff at Moscow’s Library of Ukrainian Literature joke they get more visits from officers of Russia’s internal security service, the FSB, than people wanting to take out books or use the reading room.

Russian investigators armed with machine guns raided the library, a modest building in central Moscow, in October, and confiscated what they said was “anti-Russian propaganda."

The library’s director, Natalya Sharina, has been under house arrest since October, accused of distributing extremist literature. Additionally, about half the librarians who work there have been summoned for questioning and at least two employees have had their apartments searched by law enforcement officers in early morning raids.

Sharina, 58, designated a political prisoner by Moscow-based human rights organization Memorial, has strongly denied the accusations against her and told Moscow’s Presensky District Court in January that her ongoing house arrest was an attempt to “break her emotionally or physically.”

‘We Are Worried About The Books’: Kremlin Targets Moscow’s Ukrainian Library

Positive news, yes?
At least she is not in North Korea where she would have been executed!
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Western Media is worthless. When it comes to alleged stories about Russia, it screams and shouts. When it comes to Russia’s achievements, it stays silent.

Independent:

The biggest military defeat that Isis has suffered in more than two years. The recapture of Palmyra. And we are silent. Yes, folks, the bad guys won, didn't they? Otherwise, we would all be celebrating, wouldn't we?

Less than a week after the lost souls of the 'Islamic Caliphate' destroyed the lives of more than 30 innocent human beings in Brussels, we should - should we not? - have been clapping our hands at the most crushing military reverse in the history of Isis. But no.

Here are the Syrian army, backed, of course, by Vladimir Putin's Russkies, chucking the clowns of Isis out of town, and we daren't utter a single word to say well done.

“If the Americans wanted to destroy Isis, why didn't they bomb them when they saw them?” a Syrian army general asked me, after his soldiers' defeat His son had been killed defending Homs. His men had been captured and head-chopped in the Roman ruins. And we were silent then.

Putin noticed this, and talked about it, and accurately predicted the retaking of Palmyra. His aircraft attacked Isis - as US planes did not - in advance of the Syrian army's conquest. I could not help but smile when I read that the US command claimed two air strikes against Isis around Palmyra in the days leading up to its recapture by the regime. That really did tell you all you needed to know about the American "war on terror". They wanted to destroy Isis, but not that much.

So in the end, it was the Syrian army and its Hizballah chums from Lebanon and the Iranians and the Russians who drove the Isis murderers out of Palmyra. I have written many times that the Syrian army will decide the future of Syria.

Aren't we supposed to be destroying Isis? Forget it. That's Putin's job. And Assad's. Pray for peace, folks.

Robert Fisk: Why is David Cameron silent on the recapture of Palmyra?

 

[Bleipriester]

No way to discuss seriously here. They are blaming the Ukrainian nazi´s crimes on the DNR and Russia and they call the Russians nazis because they know well they are in support of Ukrainian nazis while the Russians support the separatists. There is always a good way to deal with western hate, war and fear mongers, agitators, shitbags, scumbags - all those puppets that would praise the devil if their puppet masters would tell them to do:
When they blame something on anybody, know that it is always their own shit they are blaming on others.