Why the rich "job creators" want tax cuts

[auditor0007]

Jobs returning — but good ones not so much - Yahoo! News

Read the entire article but this shit right here sticks out and proves why trickle down shit works only for the rich "job creators" and not the workers

• And a recent Wall Street Journal analysis found that even though productivity rose 5.2 percent from mid 2009 to the end of 2010, wages increased by just 0.3 percent. That means only 6 percent of productivity gains were shared with workers. In past recoveries, that figure has averaged 58 percent. This time around, far more of the gains went to shareholders, in the form of profits, which are at record levels.

Now we see how the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, Repugs, take your tax cuts for the so called job creators talk and shove it up your rightwing asses. I see why Repugs in the state and US houses and Senate want to take away the power of unions, so they can keep up this shit.

The rich will continue to get richer while the middle class continues to erode. Then the rich will begin to get poorer, and we'll all be poor.

 

[Care4all]

Jobs returning — but good ones not so much - Yahoo! News

Read the entire article but this shit right here sticks out and proves why trickle down shit works only for the rich "job creators" and not the workers

• And a recent Wall Street Journal analysis found that even though productivity rose 5.2 percent from mid 2009 to the end of 2010, wages increased by just 0.3 percent. That means only 6 percent of productivity gains were shared with workers. In past recoveries, that figure has averaged 58 percent. This time around, far more of the gains went to shareholders, in the form of profits, which are at record levels.

Now we see how the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, Repugs, take your tax cuts for the so called job creators talk and shove it up your rightwing asses. I see why Repugs in the state and US houses and Senate want to take away the power of unions, so they can keep up this shit.

The rich will continue to get richer while the middle class continues to erode. Then the rich will begin to get poorer, and we'll all be poor.

too wise for your britches auditor!

 

[JFK_USA]

well, i find it disheartening that the workers have been left out and not rewarded for working harder, to produce more for their employers....you would think it would be at least a 50/50 split on the productivity increases?

without such, there is no incentive to work harder and harder...

unless you guys think that those producing more and more per hour, should just be happy they have a job....

I happen to think that those that bust their butts for their employers and produce more, should be rewarded.

But that isn't how it works.

Marx predicted 160 years ago that as technology improves mechanization would increase productivity and capitalists would end up paying more for specialized equipment than for labor. As this unfolded the costs of goods would perpetually decline and boom and bust cycles would ensue because capitalists drive down the prices of their own products.

Labor be damned. The productivity increases have little to do with labor working harder. They are mostly the result of replacing humans with machines. As has almost always been the case since the industrial revolution began. Research the Luddites.

the tech improvements have taken place already...

but that is NOT what is going on here....the productivity of the workers has improved based on their extra labor....staffs have been cut to a minimum, during this recession, those left behind and not laid off are doing the work that they used to be responsible for AND they are doing the work of their coworkers who were pink slipped, who were let go.

American workers are extremely productive workers, I wouldn't sell us short so easily....and yes, machinery has improved the factory's output, but machines are not measured in a productivity figure....PEOPLE ARE.....

when I was a manager of a store, many moons ago, I had to calculate my employee "productivity" each week, when I was doing payroll to send to the corporate office....3 weeks of them not meeting productivity in a 3 month period, I could fire them and hire a more productive employee.

"meeting productivity'' is an important aspect of the business...it means the employees have to pay for themselves in what they produce....using a machine or using their bare hands.

so when the store's overall productivity increases, using the same or lesser staff and no new machinery....you can be darn sure, there wasn't some imaginary ghost or machine, working harder....it was the employee busting their butt...

I could of sworn Wicked Jester, The T and every damn republican on this board say american workers don't work hard. You mean to tell me their propaganda isn't true? I am SHOCKED.

Well I am not shocked about this data. Companies can't be trusted to fully compensate their employees for their hard work. Thats why we need unions to keep businesses honest and make sure they pay for the hard work Americans give them. But I guess thats too much of a communist idea.

 

[The T]

there's never any answer for that kind of lunacy. It's been seen on both sides of the aisle.

Agreed.

 

[The T]

But that isn't how it works.

Marx predicted 160 years ago that as technology improves mechanization would increase productivity and capitalists would end up paying more for specialized equipment than for labor. As this unfolded the costs of goods would perpetually decline and boom and bust cycles would ensue because capitalists drive down the prices of their own products.

Labor be damned. The productivity increases have little to do with labor working harder. They are mostly the result of replacing humans with machines. As has almost always been the case since the industrial revolution began. Research the Luddites.

the tech improvements have taken place already...

but that is NOT what is going on here....the productivity of the workers has improved based on their extra labor....staffs have been cut to a minimum, during this recession, those left behind and not laid off are doing the work that they used to be responsible for AND they are doing the work of their coworkers who were pink slipped, who were let go.

American workers are extremely productive workers, I wouldn't sell us short so easily....and yes, machinery has improved the factory's output, but machines are not measured in a productivity figure....PEOPLE ARE.....

when I was a manager of a store, many moons ago, I had to calculate my employee "productivity" each week, when I was doing payroll to send to the corporate office....3 weeks of them not meeting productivity in a 3 month period, I could fire them and hire a more productive employee.

"meeting productivity'' is an important aspect of the business...it means the employees have to pay for themselves in what they produce....using a machine or using their bare hands.

so when the store's overall productivity increases, using the same or lesser staff and no new machinery....you can be darn sure, there wasn't some imaginary ghost or machine, working harder....it was the employee busting their butt...

I could of sworn Wicked Jester, The T and every damn republican on this board say american workers don't work hard. You mean to tell me their propaganda isn't true? I am SHOCKED.

Well I am not shocked about this data. Companies can't be trusted to fully compensate their employees for their hard work. Thats why we need unions to keep businesses honest and make sure they pay for the hard work Americans give them. But I guess thats too much of a communist idea.

Err...UHMM...correct your error Pot BOY...I am NOT a Republican.

 

[The Infidel]

Err...UHMM...correct your error Pot BOY...I am NOT a Republican.

 

[JFK_USA]

the tech improvements have taken place already...

but that is NOT what is going on here....the productivity of the workers has improved based on their extra labor....staffs have been cut to a minimum, during this recession, those left behind and not laid off are doing the work that they used to be responsible for AND they are doing the work of their coworkers who were pink slipped, who were let go.

American workers are extremely productive workers, I wouldn't sell us short so easily....and yes, machinery has improved the factory's output, but machines are not measured in a productivity figure....PEOPLE ARE.....

when I was a manager of a store, many moons ago, I had to calculate my employee "productivity" each week, when I was doing payroll to send to the corporate office....3 weeks of them not meeting productivity in a 3 month period, I could fire them and hire a more productive employee.

"meeting productivity'' is an important aspect of the business...it means the employees have to pay for themselves in what they produce....using a machine or using their bare hands.

so when the store's overall productivity increases, using the same or lesser staff and no new machinery....you can be darn sure, there wasn't some imaginary ghost or machine, working harder....it was the employee busting their butt...

I could of sworn Wicked Jester, The T and every damn republican on this board say american workers don't work hard. You mean to tell me their propaganda isn't true? I am SHOCKED.

Well I am not shocked about this data. Companies can't be trusted to fully compensate their employees for their hard work. Thats why we need unions to keep businesses honest and make sure they pay for the hard work Americans give them. But I guess thats too much of a communist idea.

Err...UHMM...correct your error Pot BOY...I am NOT a Republican.

Teabagger Err Tea Party sorry, it becomes a habit.

 

[JFK_USA]

Err...UHMM...correct your error Pot BOY...I am NOT a Republican.

Your name Toby Infidel?

 

[The T]

I could of sworn Wicked Jester, The T and every damn republican on this board say american workers don't work hard. You mean to tell me their propaganda isn't true? I am SHOCKED.

Well I am not shocked about this data. Companies can't be trusted to fully compensate their employees for their hard work. Thats why we need unions to keep businesses honest and make sure they pay for the hard work Americans give them. But I guess thats too much of a communist idea.

Err...UHMM...correct your error Pot BOY...I am NOT a Republican.

Teabagger Err Tea Party sorry, it becomes a habit.

NONE of the Above...Try Again

 

[The Infidel]

Teabagger Err Tea Party sorry, it becomes a habit.

You lose ...

 

[elvis]

Teabagger Err Tea Party sorry, it becomes a habit.

You lose ...

He did. he couldn't get T to teabag him. JFK is so disappointed.

 

[The T]

JFK POTHEAD? Let me Help you out here...

Try REAL AMERICAN...

And that's ALL you need be concerned of.

Got it ACE?

 

[The T]

Teabagger Err Tea Party sorry, it becomes a habit.

You lose ...

He did. he couldn't get T to teabag him. JFK is so disappointed.

Not even in a nighmare!

 

[The Infidel]

Teabagger Err Tea Party sorry, it becomes a habit.

You lose ...

He did. he couldn't get T to teabag him. JFK is so disappointed.

Damn.. I jumped the gun and neg rep'd him for something Silly.... sorry JFK.

Its al in fun

 

[JFK_USA]

JFK POTHEAD? Let me Help you out here...

Try REAL AMERICAN...

And that's ALL you need be concerned of.

Got it ACE?

It's a joke about teabagger. Unless I get really mad.

See my mad face

Its super scary.

 

[Flaylo]

Dude, you don't contribute anything of discussion value. All you do is get nasty with other people. If you want to have temper tantrums why don't you go do it on the playground?

Look, I say what i want how I want, I'm not like the Democrats in office who take getting pissed and return th favor with being sweet, I give exactly what I receive.

 

[editec]

An enormous part of the problem we are now facing stems advances in technology.

CAPITAL owns the technology and therefore CAPITAL reaps the benefits of using that technology to reduce the workforce.

And there is no legal or social mechanisms in place to share the benefits of the techological advances with labor.

Now the last time that techology so changed the workplace, during the industrialized revolution, it took unionism for labor to get the benefits that technology was giving to mankind.

Labor got things like the 40 work week, and better wages, benefits and so forth, but only after about 50 years of labor organizing, strikes, violence and so forth to FORCE CAPITAL to SHARE THE WEALTH.

I have mentioned in past posts the concept of the SOCIAL CONTRACT.

Right now, we have social contract that becomes increasingly unsuited to the society we are becoming because we are undergoing the DIGITAL REVOLUTION.

That is not merely replacing physical workers with robots, it is also replacing managment with THINKING machines.

We are already seeing this displacement of skilled workers by THINKING machines happening to highly skilled workforces. (look at how the stock market has sluffed off formerly well paid workers because they were replaced by computers for example)

What LABOR AND MANAGMENT can do machines, software and robots can do better, faster and cheaper.

We either invent some civil way to share the NEW WEALTH that technology is bringing mankind, or history dictates that men will find an UNCIVIL WAY to make that social contract change to accomodate the new world our technology is creating for us.

TECHNOLOGY is not the enemy.

EVen CAPITAL is not the enemy.

Failure to recognize that the way our socity works is the enemy, folks.

Clinging to a social contract that no longer works, is the enemy of human progress.

The sooner we recognize this problem, and invent mechanisms to mitigate this problem, the better off we will be.

 

[boedicca]

When companies are threatened with future tax hikes and much higher health benefit costs due to ObamaCare, they are going to be loathe to raise cash wages. Also, with U6 unemployment at over 16%, the supply-demand equation greatly favors employers (something the public employee unions should remember before holding school children hostage, btw.).

Given the lack of real economic growth combined with burgeoning inflation, when adjusted for inflation, the productivity gains are not nearly as high. Inflation lowers the value of the invested capital - something the government refuses to acknowledge in the tax tables.