Why the Gettysburg Address is Important to US, TODAY

[legaleagle_45]

Killing and destroying something to save it, is illogical.

Thus if a doctor recommends that your appendix be removed, you would ignore him as being illogical.

To conclude that Lincoln's murderous rampage was BETTER than the alternative, is not to think and is not only illogical, but unprovable.

It does require supposition as would you trying to prove that it would not.

The Constitution does NOT allow any POTUS the authority to war on fellow Americans. .

It does with the approval of Congress. There is an express power in Article I, Sec 8, Cl 15 to call forth the militia to suppress insurrections. Are you claiming that the Civil War was not an insurrection?

It does clearly state that any POTUS who does this, is committing treason..

Nope, not when Congress authorizes force to suppress an insurrection, so you are wrong.

The War of Northern Aggression was a failure of leadership, like most wars. Lincoln waged total war purely for nefarious reasons...to impose federal government dictates...in essence it was about collecting taxes to fund the central government, which he made clear in his first inaugural.

The Civil War was a failure of leadership primarily by Southern Leadership whose fanatical support of an immoral institution created a demand for an illegal and unconstitutional secession.

 

[Katzndogz]

According to revisionist history Lincoln was a democrat, and the Gettysburg address was an important democrat address.

Public University?s Plaque Labels President Lincoln A Democrat

CHICAGO – A public university in President Abraham Lincoln’s home state of Illinois is adorned with a plaque that states Lincoln – arguably the most famous and influential president in American history – was a Democrat.
The plaque, located on a historic building that’s part of Northeastern Illinois University in Chicago and installed in 1905, states: “This building is dedicated to public service honoring the memory of Abraham Lincoln Democrat.”

When a picture of the memorial recently surfaced on social media sites, it quickly went viral, and prompted anger among many Republicans, who called the dedication not only inaccurate but also a prime example of revisionist history. But the university stands by the inscription.

 

[Moonglow]

"four score and seven years ago, our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal." the gettysburg address is not so much a speech but a prayer, a reaffirmation of faith.

unfortunately what was written and who it was written for originally is illogical to the fact that there was legal slavery in the US by the very men that wrote the passage that all men are created equal. But it does sound good in the propaganda publications.

I wonder how you manage in this society when every comment I have seen from you is a cross-eyed view of whatever it is we're talking about. I find it hard to imagine how one could exist with your kind of perceptual filters.

It an old habit of being a fallacy rustler.

 

[Moonglow]

According to revisionist history Lincoln was a democrat, and the Gettysburg address was an important democrat address.

Public University?s Plaque Labels President Lincoln A Democrat

CHICAGO – A public university in President Abraham Lincoln’s home state of Illinois is adorned with a plaque that states Lincoln – arguably the most famous and influential president in American history – was a Democrat.
The plaque, located on a historic building that’s part of Northeastern Illinois University in Chicago and installed in 1905, states: “This building is dedicated to public service honoring the memory of Abraham Lincoln Democrat.”

When a picture of the memorial recently surfaced on social media sites, it quickly went viral, and prompted anger among many Republicans, who called the dedication not only inaccurate but also a prime example of revisionist history. But the university stands by the inscription.

Lincoln could not stand the extremist repubs so he ran on another GOP ticket for his second term.

 

[legaleagle_45]

Lincoln could not stand the extremist repubs so he ran on another GOP ticket for his second term.

Lie.

 

[paperview]

In 1864, Lincoln ran on the National Union Party ticket.

 

[Moonglow]

Lincoln could not stand the extremist repubs so he ran on another GOP ticket for his second term.

Lie.

Wrong as usual, I am sitting.

 

[paperview]

A walk through History Lane:

That's General McClellan in the middle there...
1864: The Civil War Election

The 1864 presidential campaign was bitter. The bloody conflict between North and South loomed over every aspect of American life. The electorate was so divided that some argued the election should be postponed until the war was over. Ultimately, however, the election proceeded as scheduled.


President Abraham Lincoln’s candidacy was widely contested, and his bid for re-election was seriously challenged from within his own party. In an effort to appeal to more Democratic Party supporters, Lincoln’s Republican Party renamed itself the National Union Party.

At the same time, a Republican fringe group demanding a stronger position against slavery split off to form the “Radical Democracy” party and nominated John C. Frémont as their candidate. Frémont supported combat without compromise, believed that Congress should strictly control Southern reconstruction efforts, and urged the confiscation of Confederate property.


The Democrats nominated General George B. McClellan, whose campaign was less divisive. His platform called for whatever compromises were necessary to end the war and restore the Union. Although criticized for military losses and dogged by controversy over the Emancipation Proclamation, Lincoln successfully secured the nomination for President on the National Union ticket. Despite internal Party conflicts, Republicans rallied around a platform that supported restoration of the Union and the abolition of slavery. By the time of the election, several victories on the battlefield had turned the tide of war in the Union’s favor, influencing the electorate. Lincoln was re-elected with fifty-five percent of the popular vote and 212 of the 234 electoral votes.



Get Out The Vote!

 

[paperview]

Barack Obama, Stephen Colbert Participate in Gettysburg Address Campaign



Barack Obama, Stephen Colbert Participate in Gettysburg Address Campaign | Variety

 

[bendog]

It was not illogical or "unconstitutional" to believe the South did not have the legal power to secceed. Rather, it's perfectly rational to believe that the southern states agreed to join in exchange for the protections of the bill of rights and the protection of a nation agains foreign aggression. As we discussed in another thread, if any state could decide they just didn't like something a majority of states pushed though legislatively because it was good for the nation AS A WHOLE, there couldn't be any enduring Republic.

The south could make an argument that they had the power to leave, but to me it makes little sense to assume the Founders were not aware of the fact that, unless the decision to ratify was perpetually binding, there really was no union. Rather, this is more about Angry White People bitterly clinging to their fantasies.

And, that is really what the address was about. It was about exerting "the last full measure" to achieve the goal of keeping the union the fallen northern soldiers gave their last full measure for.

and the goal was a government that existed by the will of the people to compromise to resolve issues. Compromising over slavery failed; but the result of failure was not the destruction of the nation. One group cannot simply choose to not compromise. And, that is very relevant today.

 

[Mojo2]

@ bendog

I always feel lighter of heart and often smile when I look at your avatar pic.

 

[Mojo2]

Pa. paper: Sorry for panning Gettysburg Address

November 14, 2013 - 11:05 PM

Associated Press

HARRISBURG, Pa. (AP) — It took 150 years, but a Pennsylvania newspaper said Thursday it should have recognized the greatness of President Abraham Lincoln's Gettysburg Address at the time it was delivered.

The Patriot-News of Harrisburg, about 35 miles northeast of Gettysburg, retracted a dismissive editorial penned by its Civil War-era predecessor, The Harrisburg Patriot & Union.

The president's speech is now considered a triumph of American oratory.

The retraction, which echoes Lincoln's now-familiar language, said the newspaper's November 1863 coverage was wrong when it described the speech as "silly remarks" that deserved a "veil of oblivion."

The paper now says it regrets the error of not seeing its "momentous importance, timeless eloquence and lasting significance."

"By today's words alone, we cannot exalt, we cannot hallow, we cannot venerate this sacred text, for a grateful nation long ago came to view those words with reverence, without guidance from this chagrined member of the mainstream media," the paper wrote, echoing the words of the address.

Separately, the paper also recounted how it covered the dedication of the national cemetery (Living on the wrong side of history? The Harrisburg Patriot & Union's notorious 'review' of the Gettysburg Address | PennLive.com ), nearly five months after the pivotal battle in which federal forces repelled a Confederate Army advance from Virginia into Pennsylvania. More than 3,500 Union soldiers killed in the battle are buried there.

During the Civil War, the Patriot & Union was a Democratic newspaper that was staunchly opposed to Lincoln.

An event to remember the 150th anniversary of the speech is scheduled for Tuesday in Gettysburg.

Pa. paper: Sorry for panning Gettysburg Address | CNS News

An example of media idiocy in Lincoln's day.

 

[gipper]

Pa. paper: Sorry for panning Gettysburg Address

November 14, 2013 - 11:05 PM

Associated Press

HARRISBURG, Pa. (AP) — It took 150 years, but a Pennsylvania newspaper said Thursday it should have recognized the greatness of President Abraham Lincoln's Gettysburg Address at the time it was delivered.

The Patriot-News of Harrisburg, about 35 miles northeast of Gettysburg, retracted a dismissive editorial penned by its Civil War-era predecessor, The Harrisburg Patriot & Union.

The president's speech is now considered a triumph of American oratory.

The retraction, which echoes Lincoln's now-familiar language, said the newspaper's November 1863 coverage was wrong when it described the speech as "silly remarks" that deserved a "veil of oblivion."

The paper now says it regrets the error of not seeing its "momentous importance, timeless eloquence and lasting significance."

"By today's words alone, we cannot exalt, we cannot hallow, we cannot venerate this sacred text, for a grateful nation long ago came to view those words with reverence, without guidance from this chagrined member of the mainstream media," the paper wrote, echoing the words of the address.

Separately, the paper also recounted how it covered the dedication of the national cemetery (Living on the wrong side of history? The Harrisburg Patriot & Union's notorious 'review' of the Gettysburg Address | PennLive.com ), nearly five months after the pivotal battle in which federal forces repelled a Confederate Army advance from Virginia into Pennsylvania. More than 3,500 Union soldiers killed in the battle are buried there.

During the Civil War, the Patriot & Union was a Democratic newspaper that was staunchly opposed to Lincoln.

An event to remember the 150th anniversary of the speech is scheduled for Tuesday in Gettysburg.

Pa. paper: Sorry for panning Gettysburg Address | CNS News

An example of media idiocy in Lincoln's day.

No. The paper was EXACTLY right.

The great HL Mencken had it right too. Why can't you see this?

Note on the Gettysburg Address

by H.L. Mencken

The Gettysburg speech was at once the shortest and the most famous oration in American history...the highest emotion reduced to a few poetical phrases. Lincoln himself never even remotely approached it. It is genuinely stupendous. But let us not forget that it is poetry, not logic; beauty, not sense. Think of the argument in it. Put it into the cold words of everyday. The doctrine is simply this: that the Union soldiers who died at Gettysburg sacrificed their lives to the cause of self-determination – that government of the people, by the people, for the people, should not perish from the earth. It is difficult to imagine anything more untrue. The Union soldiers in the battle actually fought against self-determination; it was the Confederates who fought for the right of their people to govern themselves.

 

[paperview]

Boy...



You're wrong.

 

[rightwinger]

Pa. paper: Sorry for panning Gettysburg Address

November 14, 2013 - 11:05 PM

Associated Press

HARRISBURG, Pa. (AP) — It took 150 years, but a Pennsylvania newspaper said Thursday it should have recognized the greatness of President Abraham Lincoln's Gettysburg Address at the time it was delivered.

The Patriot-News of Harrisburg, about 35 miles northeast of Gettysburg, retracted a dismissive editorial penned by its Civil War-era predecessor, The Harrisburg Patriot & Union.

The president's speech is now considered a triumph of American oratory.

The retraction, which echoes Lincoln's now-familiar language, said the newspaper's November 1863 coverage was wrong when it described the speech as "silly remarks" that deserved a "veil of oblivion."

The paper now says it regrets the error of not seeing its "momentous importance, timeless eloquence and lasting significance."

"By today's words alone, we cannot exalt, we cannot hallow, we cannot venerate this sacred text, for a grateful nation long ago came to view those words with reverence, without guidance from this chagrined member of the mainstream media," the paper wrote, echoing the words of the address.

Separately, the paper also recounted how it covered the dedication of the national cemetery (Living on the wrong side of history? The Harrisburg Patriot & Union's notorious 'review' of the Gettysburg Address | PennLive.com ), nearly five months after the pivotal battle in which federal forces repelled a Confederate Army advance from Virginia into Pennsylvania. More than 3,500 Union soldiers killed in the battle are buried there.

During the Civil War, the Patriot & Union was a Democratic newspaper that was staunchly opposed to Lincoln.

An event to remember the 150th anniversary of the speech is scheduled for Tuesday in Gettysburg.

Pa. paper: Sorry for panning Gettysburg Address | CNS News

An example of media idiocy in Lincoln's day.

Some things never change...
The FoxNews of their day

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Barack Obama, Stephen Colbert Participate in Gettysburg Address Campaign



Barack Obama, Stephen Colbert Participate in Gettysburg Address Campaign | Variety

I posted about this elsewhere -

http://www.usmessageboard.com/clean-debate-zone/323948-learn-the-address.html

Anyone who wants to can record their own. Which I did.

 

[paperview]

Barack Obama, Stephen Colbert Participate in Gettysburg Address Campaign



Barack Obama, Stephen Colbert Participate in Gettysburg Address Campaign | Variety

I posted about this elsewhere -

http://www.usmessageboard.com/clean-debate-zone/323948-learn-the-address.html

Anyone who wants to can record their own. Which I did.

Thanks muchly for that!