Why so much hatred and opposition to the Tesla (or other EVs)?

[Mikeoxenormous]

I have nothing against innovation. But every single EV sold is subsidized by our taxes. If the EVs can't compete in the market place on their own merits, they shouldn't be sold.

You mean like the bailout of GM? And that was due to their own crappy business practices.

the only reason why GM got their bailouts was because Obummer didn't want to hurt the union workers, the whole reason why GM went under. Once GM became Government Motors, no longer were Saturns being made(their best cars because Unions weren't part of it) Hummers went away,(Big Profits) because they used more gas than a volt, and any dealer that didn't vote for Obummer were no longer allowed to receive any new cars. That was pretty Communistic wasn't it WB?

Yes, it was. But are you really blaming Obama alone for this fiasco?? If so you need to check your facts. George W. started the whole bailout thing. They took $25 billion from a programs aimed at getting more energy efficient vehicles produced and gave it to GM. Then they took another $25 billion from TARP.

My point is that the money spent on the bailout makes the tax dollars spent on Tesla look like chump change. And at least Tesla is coming up with something that will help.

Yes, Winter, I hated Bush 41 and 43, because like those establishment pukes, lied to US then threw US some candy to keep people quiet. I didn't like Bush 43 because he created with Ted Kennedy, the "No Child Left Behind Act" and that failed. He created the DOHS, because Jamie Gorelick blocked the FBI from talking with the CIA(911 happened because of it) and instead of bringing that wall down, threw billions more to created the failed DOHS. Then those on the right were saying not to bail out the automotive groups, let them fail, because with restructuring those companies can get rid of their failures and make themselves better, but alas, Obummer was elected and continued on with the payments to the unions, and left the middle class stock owners with worthless pieces of papers.. Yeah, that really went over with the middle class and their slow destruction. Yes, liberals (R) and (D) are establishment pukes only out for themselves, and could care less for those who aren't the liberal elites, just look at where Warren Buffet is now as supposedly Obummer was against the rich.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

I have nothing against innovation. But every single EV sold is subsidized by our taxes. If the EVs can't compete in the market place on their own merits, they shouldn't be sold.

You mean like the bailout of GM? And that was due to their own crappy business practices.

the only reason why GM got their bailouts was because Obummer didn't want to hurt the union workers, the whole reason why GM went under. Once GM became Government Motors, no longer were Saturns being made(their best cars because Unions weren't part of it) Hummers went away,(Big Profits) because they used more gas than a volt, and any dealer that didn't vote for Obummer were no longer allowed to receive any new cars. That was pretty Communistic wasn't it WB?

Yes, it was. But are you really blaming Obama alone for this fiasco?? If so you need to check your facts. George W. started the whole bailout thing. They took $25 billion from a programs aimed at getting more energy efficient vehicles produced and gave it to GM. Then they took another $25 billion from TARP.

My point is that the money spent on the bailout makes the tax dollars spent on Tesla look like chump change. And at least Tesla is coming up with something that will help.

and don't forget Obummers Cash for Clunkers that was supposed to help out the auto industry also. Bet you forgot that didn't you?

 

[WinterBorn]

I have nothing against innovation. But every single EV sold is subsidized by our taxes. If the EVs can't compete in the market place on their own merits, they shouldn't be sold.

You mean like the bailout of GM? And that was due to their own crappy business practices.

the only reason why GM got their bailouts was because Obummer didn't want to hurt the union workers, the whole reason why GM went under. Once GM became Government Motors, no longer were Saturns being made(their best cars because Unions weren't part of it) Hummers went away,(Big Profits) because they used more gas than a volt, and any dealer that didn't vote for Obummer were no longer allowed to receive any new cars. That was pretty Communistic wasn't it WB?

Yes, it was. But are you really blaming Obama alone for this fiasco?? If so you need to check your facts. George W. started the whole bailout thing. They took $25 billion from a programs aimed at getting more energy efficient vehicles produced and gave it to GM. Then they took another $25 billion from TARP.

My point is that the money spent on the bailout makes the tax dollars spent on Tesla look like chump change. And at least Tesla is coming up with something that will help.

and don't forget Obummers Cash for Clunkers that was supposed to help out the auto industry also. Bet you forgot that didn't you?

Since it is not really part of this topic, whether I forgot about it or not is irrelevant.

 

[Skull Pilot]

I get that people have different tastes in cars. But the level of hostility and rancor shown towards the Tesla exceeds it not being your favorite car.


Can anyone explain it to me?

I don't think it's the Tesla they are offended by, it's the "being guilted about driving gasoline driven cars" they don't like.

I feel absolutely no guilt over driving my V8 truck

None Zero Zip Nada

 

[Skull Pilot]

I have nothing against innovation. But every single EV sold is subsidized by our taxes. If the EVs can't compete in the market place on their own merits, they shouldn't be sold.

You mean like the bailout of GM? And that was due to their own crappy business practices.

the only reason why GM got their bailouts was because Obummer didn't want to hurt the union workers, the whole reason why GM went under. Once GM became Government Motors, no longer were Saturns being made(their best cars because Unions weren't part of it) Hummers went away,(Big Profits) because they used more gas than a volt, and any dealer that didn't vote for Obummer were no longer allowed to receive any new cars. That was pretty Communistic wasn't it WB?

Yes, it was. But are you really blaming Obama alone for this fiasco?? If so you need to check your facts. George W. started the whole bailout thing. They took $25 billion from a programs aimed at getting more energy efficient vehicles produced and gave it to GM. Then they took another $25 billion from TARP.

My point is that the money spent on the bailout makes the tax dollars spent on Tesla look like chump change. And at least Tesla is coming up with something that will help.

and don't forget Obummers Cash for Clunkers that was supposed to help out the auto industry also. Bet you forgot that didn't you?

yeah and all he did was take millions of perfectly good affordable cars off the market

Way to help those low income folks

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

I have nothing against innovation. But every single EV sold is subsidized by our taxes. If the EVs can't compete in the market place on their own merits, they shouldn't be sold.

You mean like the bailout of GM? And that was due to their own crappy business practices.

the only reason why GM got their bailouts was because Obummer didn't want to hurt the union workers, the whole reason why GM went under. Once GM became Government Motors, no longer were Saturns being made(their best cars because Unions weren't part of it) Hummers went away,(Big Profits) because they used more gas than a volt, and any dealer that didn't vote for Obummer were no longer allowed to receive any new cars. That was pretty Communistic wasn't it WB?

Yes, it was. But are you really blaming Obama alone for this fiasco?? If so you need to check your facts. George W. started the whole bailout thing. They took $25 billion from a programs aimed at getting more energy efficient vehicles produced and gave it to GM. Then they took another $25 billion from TARP.

My point is that the money spent on the bailout makes the tax dollars spent on Tesla look like chump change. And at least Tesla is coming up with something that will help.

and don't forget Obummers Cash for Clunkers that was supposed to help out the auto industry also. Bet you forgot that didn't you?

Since it is not really part of this topic, whether I forgot about it or not is irrelevant.

It was Obummers way to redistribute the wealth under TARP. You brought up tarp, so it is relevant but you don't like it because it was another failure.

 

[WinterBorn]

You mean like the bailout of GM? And that was due to their own crappy business practices.

the only reason why GM got their bailouts was because Obummer didn't want to hurt the union workers, the whole reason why GM went under. Once GM became Government Motors, no longer were Saturns being made(their best cars because Unions weren't part of it) Hummers went away,(Big Profits) because they used more gas than a volt, and any dealer that didn't vote for Obummer were no longer allowed to receive any new cars. That was pretty Communistic wasn't it WB?

Yes, it was. But are you really blaming Obama alone for this fiasco?? If so you need to check your facts. George W. started the whole bailout thing. They took $25 billion from a programs aimed at getting more energy efficient vehicles produced and gave it to GM. Then they took another $25 billion from TARP.

My point is that the money spent on the bailout makes the tax dollars spent on Tesla look like chump change. And at least Tesla is coming up with something that will help.

and don't forget Obummers Cash for Clunkers that was supposed to help out the auto industry also. Bet you forgot that didn't you?

Since it is not really part of this topic, whether I forgot about it or not is irrelevant.

It was Obummers way to redistribute the wealth under TARP. You brought up tarp, so it is relevant but you don't like it because it was another failure.

I brought up TARP as an example of tax dollars being spent on other American car makers without the vitriol being spewed. Listing more programs that fit that bill does nothing for the topic. But you are right, that money was spent on cars too.

As for it being a failure, that only bothers me because of the wasted tax dollars. That it was Obama at the helm when it failed is meaningless to me. I never voted for him.

 

[Vastator]

I get that people have different tastes in cars. But the level of hostility and rancor shown towards the Tesla exceeds it not being your favorite car.


Can anyone explain it to me?

For many its not really the car. It's the hype, propaganda, and hyperbole that comes with it. Being subsidized by taxpayers doesn't help.

 

[WinterBorn]

I get that people have different tastes in cars. But the level of hostility and rancor shown towards the Tesla exceeds it not being your favorite car.


Can anyone explain it to me?

I don't think it's the Tesla they are offended by, it's the "being guilted about driving gasoline driven cars" they don't like.

I feel absolutely no guilt over driving my V8 truck

None Zero Zip Nada

Nor do I.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

I get that people have different tastes in cars. But the level of hostility and rancor shown towards the Tesla exceeds it not being your favorite car.


Can anyone explain it to me?

I don't think it's the Tesla they are offended by, it's the "being guilted about driving gasoline driven cars" they don't like.

I feel absolutely no guilt over driving my V8 truck

None Zero Zip Nada

Nor do I.

Elon Musk's growing empire is fueled by $4.9 billion in government subsidies

Tesla Motors Inc., SolarCity Corp. and Space Exploration Technologies Corp., known as SpaceX, together have benefited from an estimated $4.9 billion in government support, according to data compiled by The Times. The figure underscores a common theme running through his emerging empire: a public-private financing model underpinning long-shot start-ups.

Could any of you borrow such money or is it because Obama let Elon do what he did, because Elon was part of the uber rich liberals who talked the talk with Solar Panels and electric cars? Has Elon paid back any of that money borrowed, or now that he is looking for more money, he is going to put out bonds to raise cash. You going to buy such junk?

Musk Revs Up Tesla Bond Buyers by Selling Them Debt With a Dream
63,000 people have canceled their Tesla Model 3 orders

 

[WinterBorn]

I get that people have different tastes in cars. But the level of hostility and rancor shown towards the Tesla exceeds it not being your favorite car.


Can anyone explain it to me?

I don't think it's the Tesla they are offended by, it's the "being guilted about driving gasoline driven cars" they don't like.

I feel absolutely no guilt over driving my V8 truck

None Zero Zip Nada

Nor do I.

Elon Musk's growing empire is fueled by $4.9 billion in government subsidies

Tesla Motors Inc., SolarCity Corp. and Space Exploration Technologies Corp., known as SpaceX, together have benefited from an estimated $4.9 billion in government support, according to data compiled by The Times. The figure underscores a common theme running through his emerging empire: a public-private financing model underpinning long-shot start-ups.

Could any of you borrow such money or is it because Obama let Elon do what he did, because Elon was part of the uber rich liberals who talked the talk with Solar Panels and electric cars? Has Elon paid back any of that money borrowed, or now that he is looking for more money, he is going to put out bonds to raise cash. You going to buy such junk?

Musk Revs Up Tesla Bond Buyers by Selling Them Debt With a Dream
63,000 people have canceled their Tesla Model 3 orders

How much of the $4.9 billion was for the Tesla cars?

And as for whether he has paid back any of the money he borrowed, yes he has.

 

[JoeB131]

From the guy with 2 houses...do you make a lot of money Joe to afford those houses?

I make okay money, thanks.

When you overpromise to pay people a pension for the rest of their lives, if the product that is being made{And that was due to their own crappy business practices.} are no longer made the way people want them, soon you run out of money. I know this, because my father was a GM guy(you know keep the money in the US), most of his life, but after his last Oldsmobile, he never wanted to own a GM car because it was CRAP.

Okay without going though your whole rant here. The thing was, GM was supposed to put money aside to fund those pensions, not tack it on to the cost of current product. They didn't do that.

And if the cars were crap, it's because of the designs that the big three were coming up with like the Chevette, the Pinto, the Escort, the Aztec and a bunch of other crap designs that didn't hold a candle to what the Japanese and Germans were producing.

You see, your anti-union screed would make sense if we lost to anti-union types quoting the verses of Ayn Rand.

Instead, they got beaten out by the Germans and Japanese, who have stronger unions than we do.

 

[miketx]

Tesla promises that you could get 238 miles on 1 charge. Now imagine the middle of the night, cold and snow outside, you have to turn your headlights on, your heater(doesn't have radiator) how many miles now do you have on that charge? Also, if you are on a trip out of state, would you make it to a charging station and HOW LONG will it take to recharge? If you only drove 4 hours, does your driving day end, and must get a hotel for the rest of the night, even if you have 8 hours more to drive? Not much savings there. This is America, go ahead and buy that all electric vehicle, know that some Coal Fired Power plant is providing that charge for your car. Also know that while you smugly think you are helping the environment, you are actually harming it more. Liberals never tell the whole story, just want you to give them your money so they can become filthy rich.

Well, a lot of flaws in that argument, not the least being that coal fired plants, which are being closed down in favor of more economical natural gas, would provide the electricity.

Now, you almost get to a rational point with how long does it take to charge it. We don't quite have the infrastructure to support that yet. So why not invest in the infrastructure?

Because electric cars are losers.

 

[HenryBHough]

When the batteries start popping will we think of these toys as:

The New Yugo?

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Some people are retards.

And some people like real cars not wind up rubber band experiments that cost 3 times as much.

 

[JoeB131]

Because electric cars are losers.

Says who?

 

[IsaacNewton]

I get that people have different tastes in cars. But the level of hostility and rancor shown towards the Tesla exceeds it not being your favorite car.

Can anyone explain it to me?

The fossil fuel industry has its propaganda machine operating at full capacity to stop anything that doesn't burn oil or gasoline. Electric cars, global warming. The people here that post against these things are just dupes carrying the water of the few greedy pieces of shit covered in oil.

No matter, "No army is as great as an idea who's time has come". The die is cast and the whiners are whale oil salesmen who are trying to keep the petroleum industry from destroying their businesses in 1890. The irony is so delicious.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

I get that people have different tastes in cars. But the level of hostility and rancor shown towards the Tesla exceeds it not being your favorite car.

Can anyone explain it to me?

The fossil fuel industry has its propaganda machine operating at full capacity to stop anything that doesn't burn oil or gasoline. Electric cars, global warming. The people here that post against these things are just dupes carrying the water of the few greedy pieces of shit covered in oil.

No matter, "No army is as great as an idea who's time has come". The die is cast and the whiners are whale oil salesmen who are trying to keep the petroleum industry from destroying their businesses in 1890. The irony is so delicious.

That Prius gonna haul the 3 or 4 tons of material I need every week for work?

 

[IsaacNewton]

I get that people have different tastes in cars. But the level of hostility and rancor shown towards the Tesla exceeds it not being your favorite car.

Can anyone explain it to me?

The fossil fuel industry has its propaganda machine operating at full capacity to stop anything that doesn't burn oil or gasoline. Electric cars, global warming. The people here that post against these things are just dupes carrying the water of the few greedy pieces of shit covered in oil.

No matter, "No army is as great as an idea who's time has come". The die is cast and the whiners are whale oil salesmen who are trying to keep the petroleum industry from destroying their businesses in 1890. The irony is so delicious.

That Prius gonna haul the 3 or 4 tons of material I need every week for work?

So you've never heard of an electric locomotive engine. And yes they also make them to run off of batteries. Trucks are far lighter.

It's all been done Joey. But you still think it magic for some reason?

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

I get that people have different tastes in cars. But the level of hostility and rancor shown towards the Tesla exceeds it not being your favorite car.

Can anyone explain it to me?

The fossil fuel industry has its propaganda machine operating at full capacity to stop anything that doesn't burn oil or gasoline. Electric cars, global warming. The people here that post against these things are just dupes carrying the water of the few greedy pieces of shit covered in oil.

No matter, "No army is as great as an idea who's time has come". The die is cast and the whiners are whale oil salesmen who are trying to keep the petroleum industry from destroying their businesses in 1890. The irony is so delicious.

That Prius gonna haul the 3 or 4 tons of material I need every week for work?

So you've never heard of an electric locomotive engine. And yes they also make them to run off of batteries. Trucks are far lighter.

It's all been done Joey. But you still think it magic for some reason?

You're a clueless tool. Those vehicles can not take the lifestyle of a construction vehicle.