Why should the poor not have to pay federal income tax

[WillowTree]

All we hear from the left is have the rich pay more. Give more . GIMME Why cant the poor pay something. Even if its 120 dollars a year .. YOu cant say a person cant afford 10 dollars a month .. I am sure they are wasting more then that on other things like fast food, cigarettes, booze. How many times I have been behind someone paying with food stamps and have beer and cigs they are about to buy as well. But, if that wasnt bad enough they dont pay they get EIC as well so the rich people are paying them for nothing.

They can't afford it.

sure they can. they go to da mall and get into a riot to be the first to buy 250 dollar tennis shoes.. they could send that to the gov as their fair share.

 

[Nosmo King]

What would the Conservative reaction be to a change in the tax code that says you pay nothing on incomes until you breech the $25,000 a year mark? And once you do, you pay 5% on everything earned up to $35,000, 7% on everything up to $50,000 and 10% on everything up to $75,000.

After that, a graduated tax of 2% per $5,000 up to infinity.

Surely the poor would then pay and the rich (who benefit the most under our current system) would pay as well.

Why is it always screw the poor and middle class but coddle the rich with Conservatives? Are you all that rich or all that heartless?

 

[Mr Natural]

Why cant we get blood from a stone?

So just because the money is there the law should be bent to cater to an overpsending government instead of being applied evenly across the board? We dont have a tax problem, we have a spending problem.

Income tax as a % of GDP is the lowest its been in decades.

And our national debt is as high as it's ever been.

You don't get something for nothing.

 

[grunt11b]

I'm all about a fair tax, that way everybody pays equally. Will never happen though, there are voting blocks to be had.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Why cant we get blood from a stone?

The "poor" have a higher collective income than that of those making >250k/yr.

Translation: they, collectively, have plenty of "blood".

 

[Mr Natural]

I'm all about a fair tax, that way everybody pays equally. Will never happen though, there are voting blocks to be had.

And congressmen to bribe.

 

[Dragon]

i don't need the history lesson.

Evidently you do.

The constitution as written originally did not include an income tax.

The constitution as written originally did not include a guarantee of free speech, either. That's what the amendment process is for.

What you said was not that the income tax is bad, but that it is "arguably unconstitutional." That is obviously untrue.

 

[M14 Shooter]

What would the Conservative reaction be to a change in the tax code that says you pay nothing on incomes until you breech the $25,000 a year mark? And once you do, you pay 5% on everything earned up to $35,000, 7% on everything up to $50,000 and 10% on everything up to $75,000.

After that, a graduated tax of 2% per $5,000 up to infinity.

Surely the poor would then pay and the rich (who benefit the most under our current system) would pay as well.

Why is it always screw the poor and middle class but coddle the rich with Conservatives? Are you all that rich or all that heartless?

Still waiting for a response
http://www.usmessageboard.com/4722095-post372.html

 

[francoHFW]

"Because the poor already pay more %wise in all taxes and fees than Romney" A total pile of Pubcrappe for the hater dupes...

Also, sig pp1

 

[Ernie S.]

All we hear from the left is have the rich pay more.

That's not all WE hear. Its all YOU hear.

Give more . GIMME Why cant the poor pay something. Even if its 120 dollars a year .. YOu cant say a person cant afford 10 dollars a month .

A person can't afford 10 dollars a month.

There, I said it.




There's already a federal tax on cigarettes and alcohol, moron. $1.01 a pack of smokes and 30 cents per six pack. If they buy 9 packs of smokes and 3 six packs of beer a month, they've already paid the $10 per month you'd like them to contribute.

Complaining about the poor not paying enough income tax and smoking too many cigarettes in the same OP is simply STUPID, as the cigarette tax IS A POOR TAX.

How many times I have been behind someone paying with food stamps and have beer and cigs they are about to buy as well.

How the fuck would I, or any other poster besides you, know the answer to this? If its an important question for you to answer, you would have kept track yourself, and you'd be able to answer your question right here and now.

But, if that wasnt bad enough they dont pay they get EIC as well so the rich people are paying them for nothing.

If rich people didn't have poor people to work for them they'd die of starvation. You can own all the arable land in the world, if you don't work the land yourself or find someone else willing to do it for pay, you will die.

My wife and I buy 60 or 70 packs of smokes and 10 6-packs of beer a month and I don't get near the return on that investment that the poor do. I pay tax on my savings, my vehicles, my fuel and my real estate. What I'm doing is subsidizing someone else's irresponsibility. In effect, I'm being punished for owning my own home outright, being able to afford my own food and medical care, getting an education and working hard all my life. I worked my butt off to get what I have and you want to take it away and give it to some lazy bastard that sits on his porch smoking weed all day? Fuck off!

 

[gallantwarrior]

Everyone should pay an equal % share on all income for income tax... sort of goes along with that whole equality in treatment by government under law thing

All income should be taxed, I agree with that. Then everyone has some skin in the game. On the flip side, any "refunds" of income tax over payments should be predicated on earned income, not some arbitrary calculation of imaginary income.

 

[M14 Shooter]

My wife and I buy 60 or 70 packs of smokes and 10 6-packs of beer a month and I don't get near the return on that investment that the poor do. I pay tax on my savings, my vehicles, my fuel and my real estate. What I'm doing is subsidizing someone else's irresponsibility. In effect, I'm being punished for owning my own home outright, being able to afford my own food and medical care, getting an education and working hard all my life. I worked my butt off to get what I have and you want to take it away and give it to some lazy bastard that sits on his porch smoking weed all day? Fuck off!

According to the left, the poor are entitled to some of the wealth that you earned.
That is, they have an actual, legitimate claim to what you earned, and have the right to expect the government to collect it from you and distribute it to them.

I know - it doesn't make any sense to me or any other thinking person.

 

[gallantwarrior]

I have no problem with the poor paying no taxes

As long as everyone else is treated fairly. That way, none of us have to pay taxes. I'd vote for that.

 

[Mr Natural]

All we hear from the left is have the rich pay more.

That's not all WE hear. Its all YOU hear.


A person can't afford 10 dollars a month.

There, I said it.




There's already a federal tax on cigarettes and alcohol, moron. $1.01 a pack of smokes and 30 cents per six pack. If they buy 9 packs of smokes and 3 six packs of beer a month, they've already paid the $10 per month you'd like them to contribute.

Complaining about the poor not paying enough income tax and smoking too many cigarettes in the same OP is simply STUPID, as the cigarette tax IS A POOR TAX.



How the fuck would I, or any other poster besides you, know the answer to this? If its an important question for you to answer, you would have kept track yourself, and you'd be able to answer your question right here and now.

But, if that wasnt bad enough they dont pay they get EIC as well so the rich people are paying them for nothing.

If rich people didn't have poor people to work for them they'd die of starvation. You can own all the arable land in the world, if you don't work the land yourself or find someone else willing to do it for pay, you will die.

My wife and I buy 60 or 70 packs of smokes and 10 6-packs of beer a month and I don't get near the return on that investment that the poor do. I pay tax on my savings, my vehicles, my fuel and my real estate. What I'm doing is subsidizing someone else's irresponsibility. In effect, I'm being punished for owning my own home outright, being able to afford my own food and medical care, getting an education and working hard all my life. I worked my butt off to get what I have and you want to take it away and give it to some lazy bastard that sits on his porch smoking weed all day? Fuck off!

Sixty or 70 packs of smokers a month?

Thank you for driving up the healthcare costs for the rest of us.

 

[American Horse]

What would the Conservative reaction be to a change in the tax code that says you pay nothing on incomes until you breech the $25,000 a year mark? And once you do, you pay 5% on everything earned up to $35,000, 7% on everything up to $50,000 and 10% on everything up to $75,000.

After that, a graduated tax of 2% per $5,000 up to infinity.

Surely the poor would then pay and the rich (who benefit the most under our current system) would pay as well.

Why is it always screw the poor and middle class but coddle the rich with Conservatives? Are you all that rich or all that heartless?

No we're not heartless. We simply see the facts of the matter. The rich who have earned income pay the highest rate, 35%. Those who have unearned income, that is income from risking their wealth that has already been taxed are, by making that wealth available as capital, creating new jobs and new taxpayers. They can sit out a bad economy or punitive taxes, and largely, they are doing that now. If, for instance, they were taxed at the full earned income rate, they would in effect be double taxed, They could even take their wealth outside the country, and if they chose to remove themselves take all that potential wealth too.

Virtually all the corporations which don't pay federal taxes on income earned in the US do so with loopholes which were designed by our politicaians to serve the greater public interest by encouraging investment by those corporations into sectors the politicians deem productive for our economy. A write-off for accelerated depreciation encourages a corporation to make a capital investment that they probably would put off, but the tax break incentivizes them to move with immediacy.

 

[Ernie S.]

All we hear from the left is have the rich pay more.

That's not all WE hear. Its all YOU hear.

Give more . GIMME Why cant the poor pay something. Even if its 120 dollars a year .. YOu cant say a person cant afford 10 dollars a month .

A person can't afford 10 dollars a month.

There, I said it.




There's already a federal tax on cigarettes and alcohol, moron. $1.01 a pack of smokes and 30 cents per six pack. If they buy 9 packs of smokes and 3 six packs of beer a month, they've already paid the $10 per month you'd like them to contribute.

Complaining about the poor not paying enough income tax and smoking too many cigarettes in the same OP is simply STUPID, as the cigarette tax IS A POOR TAX.

How many times I have been behind someone paying with food stamps and have beer and cigs they are about to buy as well.

How the fuck would I, or any other poster besides you, know the answer to this? If its an important question for you to answer, you would have kept track yourself, and you'd be able to answer your question right here and now.

But, if that wasnt bad enough they dont pay they get EIC as well so the rich people are paying them for nothing.

If rich people didn't have poor people to work for them they'd die of starvation. You can own all the arable land in the world, if you don't work the land yourself or find someone else willing to do it for pay, you will die.

I'm planting cotton in a couple months. Do you want to come pick it for me? How much do you get/acre?

 

[M14 Shooter]

That's not all WE hear. Its all YOU hear.


A person can't afford 10 dollars a month.

There, I said it.




There's already a federal tax on cigarettes and alcohol, moron. $1.01 a pack of smokes and 30 cents per six pack. If they buy 9 packs of smokes and 3 six packs of beer a month, they've already paid the $10 per month you'd like them to contribute.

Complaining about the poor not paying enough income tax and smoking too many cigarettes in the same OP is simply STUPID, as the cigarette tax IS A POOR TAX.



How the fuck would I, or any other poster besides you, know the answer to this? If its an important question for you to answer, you would have kept track yourself, and you'd be able to answer your question right here and now.




If rich people didn't have poor people to work for them they'd die of starvation. You can own all the arable land in the world, if you don't work the land yourself or find someone else willing to do it for pay, you will die.

My wife and I buy 60 or 70 packs of smokes and 10 6-packs of beer a month and I don't get near the return on that investment that the poor do. I pay tax on my savings, my vehicles, my fuel and my real estate. What I'm doing is subsidizing someone else's irresponsibility. In effect, I'm being punished for owning my own home outright, being able to afford my own food and medical care, getting an education and working hard all my life. I worked my butt off to get what I have and you want to take it away and give it to some lazy bastard that sits on his porch smoking weed all day? Fuck off!

Sixty or 70 packs of smokers a month?
Thank you for driving up the healthcare costs for the rest of us.

You missed thr part where he pays for his own health care.
Sine he pays for it himself, it drives up costs for exaclty no one.

 

[grunt11b]

What would the Conservative reaction be to a change in the tax code that says you pay nothing on incomes until you breech the $25,000 a year mark? And once you do, you pay 5% on everything earned up to $35,000, 7% on everything up to $50,000 and 10% on everything up to $75,000.

After that, a graduated tax of 2% per $5,000 up to infinity.

Surely the poor would then pay and the rich (who benefit the most under our current system) would pay as well.

Why is it always screw the poor and middle class but coddle the rich with Conservatives? Are you all that rich or all that heartless?

I guess I'm heartless, but maybe that's just me expecting the law to apply equally to all like it was originally intended. We dont bend the law because of heart strings my friend.

 

[Ernie S.]

Everyone should pay an equal % share on all income for income tax... sort of goes along with that whole equality in treatment by government under law thing

Where does the 16th amendment say the income tax must be the same % on all income?

I don't recall that it does, but if memory serves me, there is something in the Constitution about equal protection. Maybe you could look that up and explain the constitutionality of a progressive tax structure.

 

[grunt11b]

My wife and I buy 60 or 70 packs of smokes and 10 6-packs of beer a month and I don't get near the return on that investment that the poor do. I pay tax on my savings, my vehicles, my fuel and my real estate. What I'm doing is subsidizing someone else's irresponsibility. In effect, I'm being punished for owning my own home outright, being able to afford my own food and medical care, getting an education and working hard all my life. I worked my butt off to get what I have and you want to take it away and give it to some lazy bastard that sits on his porch smoking weed all day? Fuck off!

According to the left, the poor are entitled to some of the wealth that you earned.
That is, they have an actual, legitimate claim to what you earned, and have the right to expect the government to collect it from you and distribute it to them.

I know - it doesn't make any sense to me or any other thinking person.

It's all just class warfare dude, nothing more. It's the old divide and conquer strategy. Obama cannot run on his record now that he has held office for over 3 years and is a clear failure, so he has to pit citizens against each other to split the vote. It only works if we dont hold him accountable and allow it to work.