Why should the poor not have to pay federal income tax

[uscitizen]

Many mega corps pay no income tax either.

 

[Jarhead]

Many mega corps pay no income tax either.

they dont have income. They have revenue..

And that revenue is distributed amongst the employees and then it is referrd to as income.

And then that income is taxed...AS INCOME...every penny of it except that which is invested into tax DEFERRED plans....and that income WILL ULITMATELY BE TAXED when it is liquidated....and the gains will be taxed as well at 15% (as it stands now)

 

[Valox]

The concept of taxation was never supposed to be a topic about "fairness". Taxes, in their very nature, are unfair and a necessary evil to fund government. In fact, I laugh every time someone juxtaposes "fair" with "tax". There is no such thing as a fair tax.

The right loves to introduce the topic of "fairness" into taxation, like the left loves to introduce the topic of "fairness" into income distribution. It amazes me that many on the right will argue that fairness is a subjective topic regarding income distribution, but fairness is a objective topic regarding taxation. Unfortunately, you can't have it both ways.

The problem with taxing the poor even more is that it will increase poverty and take spending power out of the economy, given that the poor spend much more of their income than the rich. In addition, as Reagan pointed out in 1986, taxing the poor is anti-family. As more of the poor's income goes towards taxation, that is less bread and butter on the table.

In addition, we do not have a tax problem, but a spending problem. Taxing the poor will not solve our debt crisis. If we want to solve our debt crisis, then we need to reform and and cut back on spending on the elderly since most of the federal budget goes towards helping the elderly in the form SS, Medicare, and federal government retiree benefits.

Taxing people in poverty will not solve anything.

 

[Contumacious]

Why should the poor not have to pay federal income tax.

You are so crazy man.

How are you going to operate a nice welfare/warfare state if the poor has to pay taxes?

Every politician knows that the poor will always be the majority and that they vote early and often. So fuggedaboutit .

.

 

[Dr.Drock]

Lovebear is the perfect example of how different republicans and conservatives are in 2012.


No conservative would push for more people to be taxed or higher taxes.

No...what Lovebear is saying is that all should be treated equal in America.

She is not asking for higher taxes and she is not saying more people should be taxed. She is simply questioning why some have to pay and some dont.

Referencing $120 in taxes a year, and complaining about them paying $0 a year sure sounds like he wants taxes raised on the poor to me.

 

[Flopper]

All we hear from the left is have the rich pay more. Give more . GIMME Why cant the poor pay something. Even if its 120 dollars a year .. YOu cant say a person cant afford 10 dollars a month .. I am sure they are wasting more then that on other things like fast food, cigarettes, booze. How many times I have been behind someone paying with food stamps and have beer and cigs they are about to buy as well. But, if that wasnt bad enough they dont pay they get EIC as well so the rich people are paying them for nothing.

It is simply a myth that the poor do not pay taxes.

If you look at state and local taxes, the working poor actually pay a higher percentage of their income in these taxes in every state except for Vermont. In “Alabama, for example, low-income families (which make less than $13,000) pay 11 percent of their income in state and local taxes, while those making more than $229,000 pay just 4 percent.” The poor are also subject to payroll taxes both withholding and FICA as well as gas taxes and sin taxes.

If there’s one group of Americans that is paying less and less as the median American family is asked to pay more, it’s the super-wealthy, not the poor.

The 53% Myth: Working Poor Pay More Of Their Income In State And Local Taxes Than The Rich In 49 States | ThinkProgress

 

[Seawytch]

All we hear from the left is have the rich pay more. Give more . GIMME Why cant the poor pay something. Even if its 120 dollars a year .. YOu cant say a person cant afford 10 dollars a month .. I am sure they are wasting more then that on other things like fast food, cigarettes, booze. How many times I have been behind someone paying with food stamps and have beer and cigs they are about to buy as well. But, if that wasnt bad enough they dont pay they get EIC as well so the rich people are paying them for nothing.

Didn't you say, in another thread, that you are one of the "47%" that doesn't pay Federal income tax?

Send a check...

 

[Fang]

Everyone should pay an equal % share on all income for income tax... sort of goes along with that whole equality in treatment by government under law thing

Yea, its funny how people want to be treated equally except for when it comes to paying their fair share of taxes.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Income tax is arguably unconstitutional. It's also double dipping and causes the strife we see here. Smaller govt. and Less taxation (no income tax) cures the problem.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Lovebear is the perfect example of how different republicans and conservatives are in 2012.


No conservative would push for more people to be taxed or higher taxes.

No...what Lovebear is saying is that all should be treated equal in America.

She is not asking for higher taxes and she is not saying more people should be taxed. She is simply questioning why some have to pay and some dont.

Socialism?

 

[Dragon]

Income tax is arguably unconstitutional.

No. See the 16th amendment. The Constitution was amended precisely to make the income tax constitutional, therefore it is.

Re the OP question, the answer is that money has no value of its own. Money has value only in terms of the benefits it can buy.

Tax the rich, and you're taking their gambling money. Tax the middle class, and you're taking their vacation home. Tax the poor, and you're taking their children's dinner and shoes.

That's why.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

All we hear from the left is have the rich pay more.

That's not all WE hear. Its all YOU hear.

Give more . GIMME Why cant the poor pay something. Even if its 120 dollars a year .. YOu cant say a person cant afford 10 dollars a month .

A person can't afford 10 dollars a month.

There, I said it.

I am sure they are wasting more then that on other things like fast food, cigarettes, booze.

There's already a federal tax on cigarettes and alcohol, moron. $1.01 a pack of smokes and 30 cents per six pack. If they buy 9 packs of smokes and 3 six packs of beer a month, they've already paid the $10 per month you'd like them to contribute.

Complaining about the poor not paying enough income tax and smoking too many cigarettes in the same OP is simply STUPID, as the cigarette tax IS A POOR TAX.

How many times I have been behind someone paying with food stamps and have beer and cigs they are about to buy as well.

How the fuck would I, or any other poster besides you, know the answer to this? If its an important question for you to answer, you would have kept track yourself, and you'd be able to answer your question right here and now.

But, if that wasnt bad enough they dont pay they get EIC as well so the rich people are paying them for nothing.

If rich people didn't have poor people to work for them they'd die of starvation. You can own all the arable land in the world, if you don't work the land yourself or find someone else willing to do it for pay, you will die.

 

[Jarhead]

Lovebear is the perfect example of how different republicans and conservatives are in 2012.


No conservative would push for more people to be taxed or higher taxes.

No...what Lovebear is saying is that all should be treated equal in America.

She is not asking for higher taxes and she is not saying more people should be taxed. She is simply questioning why some have to pay and some dont.

Socialism?

you see that as socialism becuase you are looking to be adversarial.

Any level headed person would see what you put in bold as a lack of bias as it pertains to our laws.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

No. See the 16th amendment. The Constitution was amended precisely to make the income tax constitutional, therefore it is.

i don't need the history lesson. The constitution as written originally did not include an income tax. We recieved it when we received this wonderful fiat money. All tools for bigger and bigger government. It's working perfectly.

 

[Jarhead]

Everyone should pay an equal % share on all income for income tax... sort of goes along with that whole equality in treatment by government under law thing

Yea, its funny how people want to be treated equally except for when it comes to paying their fair share of taxes.

I have had enough of that "fair share" argument.

Lets turn it around...

I never hear those that pay taxes ask for their fair share of entitlements...

But we pay for them.

So how is it that we arent paying our fair share for entitlements, even though most that collect them do not pay for them (and we are OK with it), and we pay most, if not all for it.,.......but we ARE getting our fair share of entitlements, even though legally we arent entitled to them...and thus we dont get them?

Obama uses the term "fair share" and the parrots mimic him without putting any thought into it at all.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

It is simply a myth that the poor do not pay taxes.

Agreed, and that's why nobody here made that claim. I suggest you reread the OP.

 

[Tourist]

the 1% should pay everything

 

[Lovebears65]

the 1% should pay everything

Why??

 

[chanel]

I'd like to see everyone have some skin in the game, but it would be plain silly to have the working poor pay income tax, only to get it back in some form of entitlement, (esp. when the govt. will take 50% for a "handling fee".)

Here in NJ, we have an asinine program called the 'Homestead Rebate", where people who make under $75K get a portion of their property taxes back. It costs over $10 mil to administer. All they are doing is mailing people back THEIR OWN MONEY!

Govt. efficiency is an oxymoron.

 

[Ernie S.]

Everyone should pay an equal % share on all income for income tax... sort of goes along with that whole equality in treatment by government under law thing

Exactly! until everyone is hurt equally by taxes, there will be no incentive for Congress to get spending under control. The Liberal mantra of raising taxes on the evil 2% is there, not to raise revenue, but to raise votes. Fuck over 2% and pander to 98% is a sure way to retain power. In order to see what happens when you tax producers into oblivion in order to buy votes, one need look no further than Detroit.