Why Obamacare

[Redfish]

Hilarious!

Wrong AND hilarious!


Wrong AND hilarious!


If you could afford it or get access to it. Unfortunately too many couldn't.


How? How would it be fixed in your opinion?

Here comes the canned answer of tort reform and allowing insurers to sell across state lines, in 3....2......1..........go!

I am glad that you found my facts humerous, but that does not change what is true.

No one was denied medical care in the USA pre-ACA. Have you heard of medicaid? Have you heard of places like St Judes?

Not having insurance is not the same as being denied treatment. But if you have some examples of americans being turned away from hospitals please provide them, being sent from a private hospital to a public hospital does not equal being denied treatment.

There are two good things in ACA: 1. insurance companies have to take you with preexisting conditions 2. there can be no lifetime maximum payment under any policy.

The rest of it is crap------real estate taxes WTF? taxes on medical devices? Forced purchasing of insurance, fines, penalties, rules, regulations, beaurocracy.

Maybe you want your healthcare controlled by a GS 9 with a GED, but I do not.

Nowhere in your answer did you even attempt to explain your solution as I asked.

Surprising? Not at all.

In order to need a solution, one needs a problem. There was no healthcare crisis in the USA that called for the govt taking over 1/6 of the economy.

Yes, there were some problems, ACA fixed two of them. Reforming malpractice laws and allowing interstate competition between insurance companies would both reduce the cost of healthcare, reducing drug patents to 5 years instead of 12 would get cheap generics in the system faster, vigorously attacking medicare and medicaid fraud would save millions, limiting illegals to emergency life saving treatment would save millions.

There is a lot that could be done without putting the govt in charge of healthcare. See my sig--Lenin quote.

 

[LoneLaugher]

I've lived with single payer health care since I was in my early teens and at no point has the government tried to take over my life or tell me how to live.

In fact, not having to worry about paying my medical bills when I was sick, or when my children were born has freed me and my doctors to focus on my treatment and recovery without the worry of being denied treatment. As for the long waiting lists Americans keep telling us about, I have never had to wait for treatment when I've been sick, nor has anyone I know.

There were problems with waiting lists in Ontario (where I live) when the Conservatives were in power in the 1990's, but after they lost the election to the Liberals, proper health care funding was restored and the waiting lists brought under control. The Conservatives were hoping to bring in US style health care by cutting health care funding and closing beds and then "solving" the crisis they had created by introducing two-tier medicine so the wealthy could by-pass the waiting lists. Canadians
were smart enough to see through it.

Any politician who tries to mess with healthcare in Canada isn't in office for very long.

If its so great why do thousands of Canadians cross the border for treatment if they have something serious. A large % of the patients at Mayo and Cleveland clinic are Canadians.

Also, how many people are there in Canada vs the 330,000,000 we have here?

Talking point salad.

A "large percentage" huh? How large?

 

[Redfish]

This message is hidden because LoneLaugher is on your ignore list

I told you I was not reading your crap.

 

[LoneLaugher]

This message is hidden because LoneLaugher is on your ignore list

I told you I was not reading your crap.

Is this your way of ignoring me, ignoramus.

Go ahead...read it. You know you want to.

After that, prove that Canadians are clammoring to get health care in the US.

 

[Montecresto]

I want to remind everyone why the dems and libs are pushing for single payer healthcare and using the ACA as the first step toward that end.

Vladimir Lenin: “Socialized Medicine is the Keystone to the Arch of the Socialist State.”

Lenin and all socialists knew that once the state controlled healthcare that socialism would become easy.

The American people need to think seriously about this, we are standing on the edge of the cliff. Do you want individual freedom or do you want to be a ward of the state?

I hate to break to you but the U.S. has been a socialist country since about 1932. You know SOCIAL Security.

Socialism saved this country during the Great Depression and saved it again during the latest Great Recession.

If politicians were smart enough to call single payer "Medicare for all," it would be popular enough to get passed on its own merits..

I see the best avatar's on this board, anyway..............oh yeah, I would tend to agree with that but would point out, all things in moderation work here as well. Human nature being what it is, there have to be checks and balances, things need to be regulated. Unregulated capitalism is every bit the disaster that untethered socialism is. And because so many have so much to gain absent the leash or regulation we have the constant conflict.

So then the constant partisan bickering, my party is better than yours ignores that the battle is against human nature and greed, something that cannot be controlled so its a loosing battle, there's nothing else to argue about, the board can be closed, we can grab a beer and a fishing pole and recreate, accepting that things are perennially what they are!

 

[Dot Com]

Obamacare was a solution to a manufactured "problem". Pelosi the bitch and her fellow scumbags were all over the TV proclaiming a "healthcare crisis" that did not exist/ Bullshit invented stories of people going bankrupt over medical bills, yada, yada, yada.

And as the OP pointed out, it is a mere stepping stone for single payer government insurance (not healthcare) and total control over all of us, including the flaming idiot retards on the left who are too stupid to understand that they support the demise of their own personal sovereignty.

yeah, HC costs gobbling up 16+% of GDP and rising at 3X the rate of wages was no problem This was all addressed before the ACA was passed. You didn't follow it?

 

[Redfish]

Obamacare was a solution to a manufactured "problem". Pelosi the bitch and her fellow scumbags were all over the TV proclaiming a "healthcare crisis" that did not exist/ Bullshit invented stories of people going bankrupt over medical bills, yada, yada, yada.

And as the OP pointed out, it is a mere stepping stone for single payer government insurance (not healthcare) and total control over all of us, including the flaming idiot retards on the left who are too stupid to understand that they support the demise of their own personal sovereignty.

yeah, HC costs gobbling up 16+% of GDP and rising at 3X the rate of wages was no problem This was all addressed before the ACA was passed. You didn't follow it?

Yes, there were problems, how about allowing open debate and discussion or possible fixes instead of a one party bill that was rammed through using procedures that were never intended for something of this magnitude?

Obama said he would put the healthcare on c-span............uh, nope.

 

[Seawytch]

I am glad that you found my facts humerous, but that does not change what is true.

No one was denied medical care in the USA pre-ACA. Have you heard of medicaid? Have you heard of places like St Judes?

Not having insurance is not the same as being denied treatment. But if you have some examples of americans being turned away from hospitals please provide them, being sent from a private hospital to a public hospital does not equal being denied treatment.

There are two good things in ACA: 1. insurance companies have to take you with preexisting conditions 2. there can be no lifetime maximum payment under any policy.

The rest of it is crap------real estate taxes WTF? taxes on medical devices? Forced purchasing of insurance, fines, penalties, rules, regulations, beaurocracy.

Maybe you want your healthcare controlled by a GS 9 with a GED, but I do not.

Nowhere in your answer did you even attempt to explain your solution as I asked.

Surprising? Not at all.

In order to need a solution, one needs a problem. There was no healthcare crisis in the USA that called for the govt taking over 1/6 of the economy.

Yes, there were some problems, ACA fixed two of them. Reforming malpractice laws and allowing interstate competition between insurance companies would both reduce the cost of healthcare, reducing drug patents to 5 years instead of 12 would get cheap generics in the system faster, vigorously attacking medicare and medicaid fraud would save millions, limiting illegals to emergency life saving treatment would save millions.

There is a lot that could be done without putting the govt in charge of healthcare. See my sig--Lenin quote.

Healthcare was number 2 on ever "issue" poll leading up to the 2008 election.

http://www.pollingreport.com/prioriti.htm

 

[Redfish]

Nowhere in your answer did you even attempt to explain your solution as I asked.

Surprising? Not at all.

In order to need a solution, one needs a problem. There was no healthcare crisis in the USA that called for the govt taking over 1/6 of the economy.

Yes, there were some problems, ACA fixed two of them. Reforming malpractice laws and allowing interstate competition between insurance companies would both reduce the cost of healthcare, reducing drug patents to 5 years instead of 12 would get cheap generics in the system faster, vigorously attacking medicare and medicaid fraud would save millions, limiting illegals to emergency life saving treatment would save millions.

There is a lot that could be done without putting the govt in charge of healthcare. See my sig--Lenin quote.

Healthcare was number 2 on ever "issue" poll leading up to the 2008 election.

Priorities

I said there were problems, ACA creates a list of new ones, and very expensive ones. Face it, twychey, its a terrible law.

 

[Dot Com]

...and the republicans alternative?

Newt Gingrich: Republicans Rip Obamacare, but Have ?Zero Answer? for Alternatives - ABC News

You people had 6 years to address the issue of HC gobbling up over 15% of GDP & rising at 3X the rate of wages and did exactly nothing.

 

[Redfish]

...and the republicans alternative?

Newt Gingrich: Republicans Rip Obamacare, but Have ?Zero Answer? for Alternatives - ABC News

You people had 6 years to address the issue of HC gobbling up over 15% of GDP & rising at 3X the rate of wages and did exactly nothing.

Obama had the opportunity to come up with a healthcare bill that would actually fix the problems and be acceptable to both parties, instead he allowed dem staffers in a sealed room to draft a terrible piece of legislation and then ram it through on a parisan vote before anyone could read it. That was not leadership, it was dictatorship, and you fools continue to celebrate it. Lenin would be proud of you.

 

[Dot Com]

...and the republicans alternative?

Newt Gingrich: Republicans Rip Obamacare, but Have ?Zero Answer? for Alternatives - ABC News

You people had 6 years to address the issue of HC gobbling up over 15% of GDP & rising at 3X the rate of wages and did exactly nothing.

Obama had the opportunity to come up with a healthcare bill that would actually fix the problems and be acceptable to both parties, instead he allowed dem staffers in a sealed room to draft a terrible piece of legislation and then ram it through on a parisan vote before anyone could read it. That was not leadership, it was dictatorship, and you fools continue to celebrate it. Lenin would be proud of you.

you still didn't address the fact that the Repubs had complete control of the gov't for 6 years and did nothing except start wars and sign into law big gov't like DH5.

IOW- you don't address the issue, someone else will. Get it?

 

[Immanuel]

It's over.

The GOP has dropped the anti-obamacare crusade, they're talking about budget cuts now.

This was the final line in the sand, and yet again, you guys lost. Just move on please.

By "you guys" you mean Americans, right? Yes, of course, because it is all Americans who got handed the shaft when Obamacare was passed. Yeah, we Americans lost.

The sad thing is that when election time comes around again too many of you will welcome the same bastards back to Washington to do it all over again.

Immie

 

[Seawytch]

In order to need a solution, one needs a problem. There was no healthcare crisis in the USA that called for the govt taking over 1/6 of the economy.

Yes, there were some problems, ACA fixed two of them. Reforming malpractice laws and allowing interstate competition between insurance companies would both reduce the cost of healthcare, reducing drug patents to 5 years instead of 12 would get cheap generics in the system faster, vigorously attacking medicare and medicaid fraud would save millions, limiting illegals to emergency life saving treatment would save millions.

There is a lot that could be done without putting the govt in charge of healthcare. See my sig--Lenin quote.

Healthcare was number 2 on ever "issue" poll leading up to the 2008 election.

Priorities

I said there were problems, ACA creates a list of new ones, and very expensive ones. Face it, twychey, its a terrible law.

No Fishy, it isn't a terrible law. It's not the best we could have, that would be Medicare for all, but I don't let perfect be the enemy of good.

 

[Seawytch]

It's over.

The GOP has dropped the anti-obamacare crusade, they're talking about budget cuts now.

This was the final line in the sand, and yet again, you guys lost. Just move on please.

By "you guys" you mean Americans, right? Yes, of course, because it is all Americans who got handed the shaft when Obamacare was passed. Yeah, we Americans lost.

The sad thing is that when election time comes around again too many of you will welcome the same bastards back to Washington to do it all over again.

Immie

Election time did come around and the guy that ran on "repeal and replace"...lost.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

I want to remind everyone why the dems and libs are pushing for single payer healthcare and using the ACA as the first step toward that end.

Vladimir Lenin: “Socialized Medicine is the Keystone to the Arch of the Socialist State.”

Lenin and all socialists knew that once the state controlled healthcare that socialism would become easy.

The American people need to think seriously about this, we are standing on the edge of the cliff. Do you want individual freedom or do you want to be a ward of the state?

You truly are a tedious partisan hack, ignorant demagogue, and all-around idiot.

Most Western democracies have single-payer health programs and are in no way ‘socialist’; in fact, these Western nations have free-market, capitalist economies that flourish in part as a consequence of their healthcare programs, where a single-payer system augments a free-market economy.

 

[Immanuel]

It's over.

The GOP has dropped the anti-obamacare crusade, they're talking about budget cuts now.

This was the final line in the sand, and yet again, you guys lost. Just move on please.

By "you guys" you mean Americans, right? Yes, of course, because it is all Americans who got handed the shaft when Obamacare was passed. Yeah, we Americans lost.

The sad thing is that when election time comes around again too many of you will welcome the same bastards back to Washington to do it all over again.

Immie

Election time did come around and the guy that ran on "repeal and replace"...lost.

Because he was a liberal loser in the first place.

Immie

 

[Seawytch]

By "you guys" you mean Americans, right? Yes, of course, because it is all Americans who got handed the shaft when Obamacare was passed. Yeah, we Americans lost.

The sad thing is that when election time comes around again too many of you will welcome the same bastards back to Washington to do it all over again.

Immie

Election time did come around and the guy that ran on "repeal and replace"...lost.

Because he was a liberal loser in the first place.

Immie

Right. Go with that. (Please)

 

[Immanuel]

Election time did come around and the guy that ran on "repeal and replace"...lost.

Because he was a liberal loser in the first place.

Immie

Right. Go with that. (Please)

What would you call him?

He sure as hell isn't either conservative or a winner.

Immie

 

[Contumacious]

I want to remind everyone why the dems and libs are pushing for single payer healthcare and using the ACA as the first step toward that end.

Vladimir Lenin: “Socialized Medicine is the Keystone to the Arch of the Socialist State.”

Lenin and all socialists knew that once the state controlled healthcare that socialism would become easy.

The American people need to think seriously about this, we are standing on the edge of the cliff. Do you want individual freedom or do you want to be a ward of the state?

Explain please, how does paying for one's own insurance make ObamaCare "socialist"?

Firstly, if you need health insurance go buy it , don't wait for the bureaucrats to order you to do so;

2- the reason healthcare is so expensive is because of state and federal regulations ;
if the bastards remove those regulations healthcare will be affordable;

3- Obama care is fascist, not socialist

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