Why Obama is wrong when he says business needs the government

[8537]

Your state sales tax applies to cars? You really need to talk to your state reps.

You really are clueless. 46 states have sales tax on the sale of motor vehicles.

No, most states have a sales and use tax on vehicles. Very few apply their sales tax to cars.

 

[P@triot]

Sales tax is an interesting example of government gone wrong. I probably make a $500 profit on a new car or truck. My commission: $150.

That vehicle might sell for $30,000. At 6% sales tax, the state makes $1,800. I'd love to see the justification(s) from the left on that.

Write a letter to your STATE and COUNTY representatives and ask them.

Nice deflection. I asked the left to give their justification(s).

The left cant justify anything because they don't approach anything logically. They refuse to look at facts and they close their eyes to reality. They were brainwashed at birth and feel a certain way about an issue. No facts or reality will ever get them to change how they feel....

 

[Bfgrn]

The government doesn't enforce those rights. They determine who has them and what damages are due through litigation brought by businesspersons.

So when someone breaks into a store and steals physical property, the people you call to reclaim your merchandise and catch the thief, the ones carrying guns and tasers, aren't government employees?

I'm not sure which country you live in, but here in the United States the police are government employees funded by tax dollars. YRMV.

Once again we see that the idiot liberal is completely incapable of understanding the difference between FEDERAL government and LOCAL goverment.

God almighty you people are so STUPID!!!!

saveliberty is a liberal? Maybe he/she should change his/her name to savelibs...

 

[bripat9643]

Utilities are monopolies because society wants the services they provide but the service would not be provided without a monopoly.

Tell that to AT&T.

Eh, yes - Tell that to AT&T. For the first fifty years or so of their existence they were guaranteed a monopoly in order to take advantage of the economies of scale involved in brining phone service to rural areas..

there were hundreds of phone companies before the government granted AT&T a monopoly. That was done only because of years of lobbying and bribing politicians. There was no genuine ecponomic rational for it.

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Also government passed legislation allowing one utility to provide power to a customer on another company's transmission lines. Your point is incorrect.

Eh, yes - Government intervened in a market in order to force one company to carry another company's power on its lines. Let me check: Do you find that to be proof that markets will naturally break up a monopoly?

The proof is the fact that the only place monopolies exist is where they are legally enforced.

 

[Bfgrn]

Write a letter to your STATE and COUNTY representatives and ask them.

Nice deflection. I asked the left to give their justification(s).

The left cant justify anything because they don't approach anything logically. They refuse to look at facts and they close their eyes to reality. They were brainwashed at birth and feel a certain way about an issue. No facts or reality will ever get them to change how they feel....

Only one of these characteristics is an emotion. See if you can pick it out?

Liberalism is trust of the people, tempered by prudence; conservatism, distrust of people, tempered by fear.
William E. Gladstone

 

[8537]

The proof is the fact that the only place monopolies exist is where they are legally enforced.

Oh really? Which government enforced the nearly century-long DeBeers monopoly?

 

[saveliberty]

Your state sales tax applies to cars? You really need to talk to your state reps.

You really are clueless. 46 states have sales tax on the sale of motor vehicles.

No, most states have a sales and use tax on vehicles. Very few apply their sales tax to cars.

Use tax is applied to leased vehicles and you would be wrong when its a purchase. You would also be wrong that sales tax doesn't apply to vehicles. Several states allow for a trade in credit against the tax, but most don't. In fact, many states let their county ADD a county sales tax on vehicle purchases. A tax that ONLY applies to motor vehicle sales. I do this for a living, your not going to fair well challenging me on this.

 

[8537]

You really are clueless. 46 states have sales tax on the sale of motor vehicles.

No, most states have a sales and use tax on vehicles. Very few apply their sales tax to cars.

Use tax is applied to leased vehicles and you would be wrong when its a purchase. You would also be wrong that sales tax doesn't apply to vehicles. Several states allow for a trade in credit against the tax, but most don't. In fact, many states let their county ADD a county sales tax on vehicle purchases. A tax that ONLY applies to motor vehicle sales. I do this for a living, your not going to fair well challenging me on this.

I was separating the state sales tax from the sales and use tax applied to vehicles. I was also uselessly picking nits....

 

[NYcarbineer]

The government doesn't enforce those rights. They determine who has them and what damages are due through litigation brought by businesspersons.

So when someone breaks into a store and steals physical property, the people you call to reclaim your merchandise and catch the thief, the ones carrying guns and tasers, aren't government employees?

I'm not sure which country you live in, but here in the United States the police are government employees funded by tax dollars. YRMV.

Once again we see that the idiot liberal is completely incapable of understanding the difference between FEDERAL government and LOCAL goverment.

God almighty you people are so STUPID!!!!

Is the FBI unnecessary? Is the US military unnecessary? Is the interstate highway system unnecessary?

And why are you making a distinction between governments, federal or state or local?

 

[saveliberty]

Is the FBI unnecessary? Is the US military unnecessary? Is the interstate highway system unnecessary?

And why are you making a distinction between governments, federal or state or local?

Read your own post. All of those things are federally related.

 

[PratchettFan]

I've seen a lot of people talk about what was said, but I thought it might be a good idea to actually put up what he said:

We’ve already made a trillion dollars’ worth of cuts. We can make some more cuts in programs that don’t work, and make government work more efficiently…We can make another trillion or trillion-two, and what we then do is ask for the wealthy to pay a little bit more …

There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me, because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t -look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something – there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business. you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.

So we say to ourselves, ever since the founding of this country, you know what, there are some things we do better together. That’s how we funded the GI Bill. That’s how we created the middle class. That’s how we built the Golden Gate Bridge or the Hoover Dam. That’s how we invented the Internet. That’s how we sent a man to the moon. We rise or fall together as one nation and as one people, and that’s the reason I’m running for president – because I still believe in that idea. You’re not on your own, we’re in this together.”

 

[Dick Tuck]

The wiggle dance should prove entertaining.

Well according to Obama, the founding fathers didn't build this country, no matter how smart they were.

They certainly couldn't have pulled it off at that time alone. Look up how many troops, ships, sailors at Yorktown were French.

 

[Dick Tuck]

The wiggle dance should prove entertaining.

Well according to Obama, the founding fathers didn't build this country, no matter how smart they were.

Oh, this is a fun game. According to Ron Paul the founding fathers were all islamic terrorists. Ok, your turn to completely make stuff up.

Now wait a minute. Jefferson did state in a legally binding treaty that were weren't a Christian nation, nor a Moselum [sic] nation.

 

[NYcarbineer]

If the OP is right, then most CEO's of American businesses must believe that we should get rid of our military, our public education system, our law enforcement agencies,

for starters. How many do you think would agree with the OP?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Is the FBI unnecessary? Is the US military unnecessary? Is the interstate highway system unnecessary?

And why are you making a distinction between governments, federal or state or local?

Read your own post. All of those things are federally related.

Is that a yes or a no?

 

[saveliberty]

If the OP is right, then most CEO's of American businesses must believe that we should get rid of our military, our public education system, our law enforcement agencies,

for starters. How many do you think would agree with the OP?

A little early for a strawman. Wait til after lunch okay?

 

[saveliberty]

Is the FBI unnecessary? Is the US military unnecessary? Is the interstate highway system unnecessary?

And why are you making a distinction between governments, federal or state or local?

Read your own post. All of those things are federally related.

Is that a yes or a no?

Its pointing out that Obama was speaking about the federal government. It is pointing out YOU were using federal examples. It is pointing to the true topic of Obama's socialist agenda. Deflect all you want.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

A second problem in 1929 when the US Stock Market collapsed made for more problems. The Golden Gate committee now has trouble issuing the bond needed for the construction of the bridge, even though the citizens of the surrounding area had put up their own personal lands and farms as collateral. It takes 3 more years and the wealthy President and founder of Bank of America, A.P. Giannini, to personally buy the 35 million dollar bond which he then finances through the bank. Without the bank and the intervention of private industry fueled by personal wealth, again the bridge would not have been built. By 1937 the bridge is completed—and Strauss delivers the bridge 1.7 million UNDER budget, using local non-union labor and private contractors.

www.thomas-purcell.com: Obama's Golden Gate Sized Error

Want to know what else got built without the government?

Sorry but if the herd of private interests that led to the stock market failure in the first place hadn't done so, the bond issue would have been bought by the general public. Funny how private interests always get credit when things go right but when things fail its always big mean ole government's fault.

 

[ItsjustmeIthink]

History is full of examples of the government taking on projects that are huge because they believe they wouldn't happen otherwise. History is also full of examples of projects that businesses took on because they were needed. My favorite example of the latter is one of Obama's talking points when he claims that the government is indispensable.

So we say to ourselves, ever since the founding of this country, you know what, there are some things we do better together. That’s how we funded the GI Bill. That’s how we created the middle class. That’s how we built the Golden Gate Bridge...

Turns out that the government actually did everything it could to stop the Golden Gate bridge, and that, ultimately, it was built because of one man.

In fact, it was the ‘One Percenters’, as is the term coined of the rich and powerful these days, that built the Golden Gate, not government. More importantly, it was government that posed more obstacles for the building of the bridge than any other entity and if the Department of Defense had their way it never would have been built at all.

Some basic research into the building of the bridge indicated that the original architect of the bridge, Joseph Strauss (who also designed a bridge to be built over the Bering Strait) faced numerous obstacles from government after his original proposal to them in 1921. Several years earlier the government had done a study about building a bridge in those waters and had come to the conclusion that it was impossible to build a bridge from the city to Marin County. San Francisco City Engineer Michael O'Shaughnessy had requested the United States Coast and Geodetic Survey to make soundings of the channel bottom. The U.S.S. Natoma completed the sounding of the channel in May 1920, and after receiving the Natoma's survey data, O'Shaughnessy consults engineers from around the country about feasibility and cost. Many say it cannot be done, and if it can be the cost would exceed $100 million. The idea was then shelved until Strauss comes forward with his design.

A second problem in 1929 when the US Stock Market collapsed made for more problems. The Golden Gate committee now has trouble issuing the bond needed for the construction of the bridge, even though the citizens of the surrounding area had put up their own personal lands and farms as collateral. It takes 3 more years and the wealthy President and founder of Bank of America, A.P. Giannini, to personally buy the 35 million dollar bond which he then finances through the bank. Without the bank and the intervention of private industry fueled by personal wealth, again the bridge would not have been built. By 1937 the bridge is completed—and Strauss delivers the bridge 1.7 million UNDER budget, using local non-union labor and private contractors.

www.thomas-purcell.com: Obama's Golden Gate Sized Error

Want to know what else got built without the government?

Very persuaive.Businesses don't need Gov't because the government tried to impede the construction of the golden gate bridge! IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW

 

[NYcarbineer]

Read your own post. All of those things are federally related.

Is that a yes or a no?

Its pointing out that Obama was speaking about the federal government. It is pointing out YOU were using federal examples. It is pointing to the true topic of Obama's socialist agenda. Deflect all you want.

The OP say that business does not need government. That is very precise and unequivocal.

He is either right or wrong with such a definitive and specific claim.

Do you agree with him or not? Or are you scared to answer that question?