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If it is not a pagan concept where does it come from?It is not a pagan concept that a woman becomes pregnant by a spirit.
Christians say Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit, and both Jews and pagans disagree this is how it happened.
Paul and others said that he said that. Paul never met him. And as soon as a Jew dies and does not fulfill the idea of the Messiah, to liberate his people and his land, and dies not achieving it.........makes them all a Non Messiah.I really do know and do care about the concept of Messiah in Judaism. I reiterate what Jesus said two thousand years ago: Jesus is not that Messiah. Period.
Why won’t you tell me where in Israel Jesus was living when he was three? Or ten? Or his teen years, for that matter. What was his schooling like? Did his parents treat him like a regular child?I really do know and do care about the concept of Messiah in Judaism. I reiterate what Jesus said two thousand years ago: Jesus is not that Messiah. Period.
Paul was the troublemaker. It was never Jesus’ intent to start a Jew religion.Paul and others said that he said that. Paul never met him. And as soon as a Jew dies and does not fulfill the idea of the Messiah, to liberate his people and his land, and dies not achieving it.........makes them all a Non Messiah.
The Messiah actually does succeed in liberating the Jews and their land, as with the Persian who defeated the Babylonians and allowed the Jews to return to their land and rebuild their Temple.
Or the Maccabees, who defeated the Greek and the Persians and freed their people and land for about 100 years before the Romans.
Those were Messiah.
Bar Kochba nearly became a Messiah, but was not able to keep his people and his land free from the Romans and died not achieving it.
That.. is the meaning of the Messiah in Judaism.
Some minority Christian denominations believe this, but not the major ones. Jesus declared, "Sins are forgiven" years before he laid down his life. Jesus taught 'Repentance' (turning away from sin to obedience to God) for the forgiveness of sin. This obedience to the will of God opens us to the power of God's grace which in turn empowers us to do God's will which in turn sanctifies/purifies the soul.Nice Christian fairytale where Christians can commit sins and crimes and consider themselves "forgiven" because Jesus died for them.
Jesus heartily believed sins are forgiven. He believed, totally, that we should discern the will of God and follow it. Christians believe the same today.NOT, a Jewish concept, therefore Jesus could never haver believed in that.
Actually, I do. Years ago, a Jew, whose first language was Hebrew, took me under his wing. I've done further research and study since then.You only know what Paul and other Christians have written. You really know nothing of what life and thinking was like in the 1st Century.
There were different sects, groups of Jews, with different beliefs. Jesus's one seemed to believe that he would return, resurrect .Paul was the troublemaker. It was never Jesus’ intent to start a Jew religion.
Of course.There were different sects, groups of Jews, with different beliefs. Jesus's one seemed to believe that he would return, resurrect .
It never happened. Not possible for any human to do so.
Dig deeper into all of these.Pogroms, Inquisition, Holocaust, more pogroms.
Absolutely. It is our belief. It is a matter of faith.When you say ”Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit,” please be aware that this is the Christian belief and not a proven fact.
Judaism is about owning up to one's own responsibilities.Some minority Christian denominations believe this, but not the major ones. Jesus declared, "Sins are forgiven" years before he laid down his life. Jesus taught 'Repentance' (turning away from sin to obedience to God) for the forgiveness of sin. This obedience to the will of God opens us to the power of God's grace which in turn empowers us to do God's will which in turn sanctifies/purifies the soul.
Jesus heartily believed sins are forgiven. He believed, totally, that we should discern the will of God and follow it. Christians believe the same today.
Matthew has Jesus and his family living in Egypt when Jesus was quite young. He was most likely back in Israel (Galilee) by the time he was ten.Please tell me what Jesus was doing when he was about three years old, and where in Israel he was living. Also, did he remain in that area for his entire childhood, or did the family relocate when Jesus was around 10?
By all means, accuse Jews of being responsible for them.Dig deeper into all of these.
I understand these are strong Jewish beliefs.We are talking about the G-D of the Jews, of Abraham. Of course he is holy, BUT he does not go around begetting children the way Zeus and all other Pagan gods did.
And Jesus is also NOT a god.
Not much of a faith, which depends on accusing Jesus' people of killing him and keeping the world from being saved.Absolutely. It is our belief. It is a matter of faith.
Christians.If it is not a pagan concept where does it come from?
Not beliefs but facts, that your beliefs cannot deal with.I understand these are strong Jewish beliefs.
Yes. I know.That.. is the meaning of the Messiah in Judaism.
The Holy Spirit is god. The god of the Jews is the G-D of Abraham.Christians.
Then, by dying, Jesus showed that he was not the Messiah. He did not need to say it to anyone, he had to either succeed in liberating his people or not.Yes. I know.
